Re: vb.net
C++ is the Only Way. And get off my v-lawn! :) On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 2:19 PM, David Burstin <david.burs...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think the real message here is - forget the language, just don't work > for Nelson's senior. Stubborn a**h are not confined to any particular > language. :) > > On 13 October 2015 at 14:14, Nelson <nelson.honey...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> My concern here (regarding the job offer) is not about the language use. >> >> i cannot stress enough how a pain in the a** it can be when working with >> seniors who are reluctant to change and adopt newer better technology. >> >> And as a Junior in the team you are basically screwed, especially you >> started your training with all the modern tech and tools. >> >> >> >> I had a hard time convincing my senior to switch to ASP.NET MVC from >> WebForms. >> >> although that turn out may not be the best idea - he still code like >> WebForms way in MVC >> >> anyway he still thinks WebForms is superior and can do stuff MVC cant do >> till this date unfortunately >> >> >> >> you can also imagine how your ideas got banned just because you are the >> junior and he play the experience game with you. >> >> even though that experience translate to sticking to 10-20 years old >> libraries when there are modern, much more popular alternatives >> >> (the best example i think of right now is that he is still using his copy >> of a 1997 alpha version of date.js library - probably thats the time he >> started learning js?) >> >> >> >> I'm not saying VB.NET people are all stubborn and old. but the >> probability of having to work with a**h*** is just much higher than i like. >> >> After all, it won't be a cultural fit for me personally as i'm a >> state-of-the-art person and would love to work with new technology >> >> >> On 13 October 2015 at 13:53, Bill McCarthy < >> bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Although there’s lots of c ‘style’ languages, the devil is always in the >>> details/differences. I find it hard to switch between c# and js and not >>> forget/mess up. With vb.net and js not so much a problem. >>> >>> >>> >>> The same use to be said for vb and vbscript in days of asp >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *David Burstin >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 October 2015 1:41 PM >>> *To: *ozDotNet >>> *Subject: *Re: vb.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I started my .net journey with vb.net, but these days I code C# unless >>> I have to use vb for working with a legacy system. >>> >>> >>> >>> I agree with Bill - there really isn't much difference between using the >>> languages in .net. In fact, knowing my way around the .net framework (from >>> having used it with vb) made the transition to c# much easier. >>> >>> >>> >>> BUT, outside the .net world, I have found my knowledge of C# has helped >>> me in reading (and learning) other languages - eg java, js, ruby. These all >>> have a syntax which is far more like c# than vb. >>> >>> >>> >>> So, if you can only use one language, for me it would be C# - but there >>> is no reason at all that you should be confined to one language. If you are >>> interested in the job, than go for it. Whatever happens, you will learn. >>> Any job provides an opportunity to practice our craft and become better >>> programmers. Plus, you can do projects after hours in whatever language you >>> want :) >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> On 13 October 2015 at 13:33, Bill McCarthy < >>> bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This usually a great rant starter for a Friday conversation. >>> Realistically though Vb.net is much a muchness with c# on .net. Definitely >>> the best language if doing integrated xml. With late binding stuff it has >>> some advantages with better conversions, but also disadvantages such as >>> wider scope. >>> >>> >>> >>> Realistically the biggest disadvantage of vb.net is if you want to >>> integrate some large source code from open licence stuff... usually more is >>> available in c#. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Tom P >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:48 PM >>> *To: *ozDotNet >>> *Subject: *vb.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. >>> Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would >>> hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a >>> few years. >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv "Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough" - Adam Hills
vb.net
Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a few years. Thanks Tom
Re: vb.net
Personally i would turn down such offer - actually wouldnt even be applying in the first place. pretty good market out there with JS and C# .NET, try looking else where if you can if you just recently graduated, your modern mindset would have a hard time dealing with VB and the legacy system. you will likely lose passion just my 2 cents On 13 October 2015 at 12:47, Tom P <tompbi...@gmail.com> wrote: > Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. > Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would > hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a > few years. > > Thanks > Tom >
RE: vb.net
Really ? What ‘legacy’ things are you referring to ? From: Nelson Sent: Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:52 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: vb.net Personally i would turn down such offer - actually wouldnt even be applying in the first place. pretty good market out there with JS and C# .NET, try looking else where if you can if you just recently graduated, your modern mindset would have a hard time dealing with VB and the legacy system. you will likely lose passion just my 2 cents On 13 October 2015 at 12:47, Tom P <tompbi...@gmail.com> wrote: Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a few years. Thanks Tom
Re: vb.net
things that are old enough to still be running vb? and i have a feeling people who still stick to vb are fairly stubborn. i know im stereotyping here sorry if i offended anyone but that was my experience On Tuesday, 13 October 2015, Bill McCarthy <bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > Really ? What ‘legacy’ things are you referring to ? > > > > > > > > > > > *From: *Nelson > *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:52 PM > *To: *ozDotNet > *Subject: *Re: vb.net > > > > > > Personally i would turn down such offer - actually wouldnt even be > applying in the first place. > > > > pretty good market out there with JS and C# .NET, try looking else where > if you can > > > > > > > > if you just recently graduated, your modern mindset would have a hard time > dealing with VB and the legacy system. > > > > you will likely lose passion > > > > > > just my 2 cents > > > > > > On 13 October 2015 at 12:47, Tom P <tompbi...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','tompbi...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > > Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. > Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would > hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a > few years. > > > Thanks > > Tom > > > > > > >
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Although there’s lots of c ‘style’ languages, the devil is always in the details/differences. I find it hard to switch between c# and js and not forget/mess up. With vb.net and js not so much a problem. The same use to be said for vb and vbscript in days of asp From: David Burstin Sent: Tuesday, 13 October 2015 1:41 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: vb.net I started my .net journey with vb.net, but these days I code C# unless I have to use vb for working with a legacy system. I agree with Bill - there really isn't much difference between using the languages in .net. In fact, knowing my way around the .net framework (from having used it with vb) made the transition to c# much easier. BUT, outside the .net world, I have found my knowledge of C# has helped me in reading (and learning) other languages - eg java, js, ruby. These all have a syntax which is far more like c# than vb. So, if you can only use one language, for me it would be C# - but there is no reason at all that you should be confined to one language. If you are interested in the job, than go for it. Whatever happens, you will learn. Any job provides an opportunity to practice our craft and become better programmers. Plus, you can do projects after hours in whatever language you want :) Cheers Dave On 13 October 2015 at 13:33, Bill McCarthy <bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: This usually a great rant starter for a Friday conversation. Realistically though Vb.net is much a muchness with c# on .net. Definitely the best language if doing integrated xml. With late binding stuff it has some advantages with better conversions, but also disadvantages such as wider scope. Realistically the biggest disadvantage of vb.net is if you want to integrate some large source code from open licence stuff... usually more is available in c#. From: Tom P Sent: Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:48 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: vb.net Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a few years. Thanks Tom
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My concern here (regarding the job offer) is not about the language use. i cannot stress enough how a pain in the a** it can be when working with seniors who are reluctant to change and adopt newer better technology. And as a Junior in the team you are basically screwed, especially you started your training with all the modern tech and tools. I had a hard time convincing my senior to switch to ASP.NET MVC from WebForms. although that turn out may not be the best idea - he still code like WebForms way in MVC anyway he still thinks WebForms is superior and can do stuff MVC cant do till this date unfortunately you can also imagine how your ideas got banned just because you are the junior and he play the experience game with you. even though that experience translate to sticking to 10-20 years old libraries when there are modern, much more popular alternatives (the best example i think of right now is that he is still using his copy of a 1997 alpha version of date.js library - probably thats the time he started learning js?) I'm not saying VB.NET people are all stubborn and old. but the probability of having to work with a**h*** is just much higher than i like. After all, it won't be a cultural fit for me personally as i'm a state-of-the-art person and would love to work with new technology On 13 October 2015 at 13:53, Bill McCarthy <bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > > > Although there’s lots of c ‘style’ languages, the devil is always in the > details/differences. I find it hard to switch between c# and js and not > forget/mess up. With vb.net and js not so much a problem. > > > > The same use to be said for vb and vbscript in days of asp > > > > > > > > > *From: *David Burstin > *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 October 2015 1:41 PM > *To: *ozDotNet > *Subject: *Re: vb.net > > > > > > I started my .net journey with vb.net, but these days I code C# unless I > have to use vb for working with a legacy system. > > > > I agree with Bill - there really isn't much difference between using the > languages in .net. In fact, knowing my way around the .net framework (from > having used it with vb) made the transition to c# much easier. > > > > BUT, outside the .net world, I have found my knowledge of C# has helped me > in reading (and learning) other languages - eg java, js, ruby. These all > have a syntax which is far more like c# than vb. > > > > So, if you can only use one language, for me it would be C# - but there is > no reason at all that you should be confined to one language. If you are > interested in the job, than go for it. Whatever happens, you will learn. > Any job provides an opportunity to practice our craft and become better > programmers. Plus, you can do projects after hours in whatever language you > want :) > > > > Cheers > > Dave > > > > On 13 October 2015 at 13:33, Bill McCarthy < > bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > This usually a great rant starter for a Friday conversation. Realistically > though Vb.net is much a muchness with c# on .net. Definitely the best > language if doing integrated xml. With late binding stuff it has some > advantages with better conversions, but also disadvantages such as wider > scope. > > > > Realistically the biggest disadvantage of vb.net is if you want to > integrate some large source code from open licence stuff... usually more is > available in c#. > > > > > > > > > *From: *Tom P > *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:48 PM > *To: *ozDotNet > *Subject: *vb.net > > > > > > Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. > Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would > hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a > few years. > > > Thanks > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > >
RE: vb.net
Didn’t he die at Trafalgar? From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2015 1:29 PM To: Nelson; ozDotNet Subject: RE: vb.net Really ? What ‘legacy’ things are you referring to ? From: Nelson Sent: Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:52 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: vb.net Personally i would turn down such offer - actually wouldnt even be applying in the first place. pretty good market out there with JS and C# .NET, try looking else where if you can if you just recently graduated, your modern mindset would have a hard time dealing with VB and the legacy system. you will likely lose passion just my 2 cents On 13 October 2015 at 12:47, Tom P <tompbi...@gmail.com> wrote: Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a few years. Thanks Tom
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I think the real message here is - forget the language, just don't work for Nelson's senior. Stubborn a**h are not confined to any particular language. :) On 13 October 2015 at 14:14, Nelson <nelson.honey...@gmail.com> wrote: > My concern here (regarding the job offer) is not about the language use. > > i cannot stress enough how a pain in the a** it can be when working with > seniors who are reluctant to change and adopt newer better technology. > > And as a Junior in the team you are basically screwed, especially you > started your training with all the modern tech and tools. > > > > I had a hard time convincing my senior to switch to ASP.NET MVC from > WebForms. > > although that turn out may not be the best idea - he still code like > WebForms way in MVC > > anyway he still thinks WebForms is superior and can do stuff MVC cant do > till this date unfortunately > > > > you can also imagine how your ideas got banned just because you are the > junior and he play the experience game with you. > > even though that experience translate to sticking to 10-20 years old > libraries when there are modern, much more popular alternatives > > (the best example i think of right now is that he is still using his copy > of a 1997 alpha version of date.js library - probably thats the time he > started learning js?) > > > > I'm not saying VB.NET people are all stubborn and old. but the > probability of having to work with a**h*** is just much higher than i like. > > After all, it won't be a cultural fit for me personally as i'm a > state-of-the-art person and would love to work with new technology > > > On 13 October 2015 at 13:53, Bill McCarthy < > bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > >> >> >> Although there’s lots of c ‘style’ languages, the devil is always in the >> details/differences. I find it hard to switch between c# and js and not >> forget/mess up. With vb.net and js not so much a problem. >> >> >> >> The same use to be said for vb and vbscript in days of asp >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *David Burstin >> *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 October 2015 1:41 PM >> *To: *ozDotNet >> *Subject: *Re: vb.net >> >> >> >> >> >> I started my .net journey with vb.net, but these days I code C# unless I >> have to use vb for working with a legacy system. >> >> >> >> I agree with Bill - there really isn't much difference between using the >> languages in .net. In fact, knowing my way around the .net framework (from >> having used it with vb) made the transition to c# much easier. >> >> >> >> BUT, outside the .net world, I have found my knowledge of C# has helped >> me in reading (and learning) other languages - eg java, js, ruby. These all >> have a syntax which is far more like c# than vb. >> >> >> >> So, if you can only use one language, for me it would be C# - but there >> is no reason at all that you should be confined to one language. If you are >> interested in the job, than go for it. Whatever happens, you will learn. >> Any job provides an opportunity to practice our craft and become better >> programmers. Plus, you can do projects after hours in whatever language you >> want :) >> >> >> >> Cheers >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> On 13 October 2015 at 13:33, Bill McCarthy < >> bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >> This usually a great rant starter for a Friday conversation. >> Realistically though Vb.net is much a muchness with c# on .net. Definitely >> the best language if doing integrated xml. With late binding stuff it has >> some advantages with better conversions, but also disadvantages such as >> wider scope. >> >> >> >> Realistically the biggest disadvantage of vb.net is if you want to >> integrate some large source code from open licence stuff... usually more is >> available in c#. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *Tom P >> *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:48 PM >> *To: *ozDotNet >> *Subject: *vb.net >> >> >> >> >> >> Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. >> Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would >> hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a >> few years. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > >
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There’s also the new bling bling oh look shiny (squirrel) approach, versus the existing and established client base and app approach. Pumping out new apps using the latest buts just shows you’re good at playing with new toys. Improving, expanding, and working with real user bases, develops problem solving and people skills. I’ve worked on apps where we’ve moved existing clients to web based solutions and had to deal with client expectations to have the same keyboard shortcuts, wanting similar screens to their old vt100 emulation screens (well nit that bad, but not far from it). Some do view that as a pain, but clients who have to pay for the changes are the ones who find it most painful if the change is just for change sake. Learning how to work effectively with existing clients and codebase will develop real skills you can’t get elsewhere. If you want to code with the latest bits pushing out only new stuff, you can do that with the internet and your spare time Btw: reporting services custom code... just sating From: David Burstin Sent: Tuesday, 13 October 2015 2:19 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: vb.net I think the real message here is - forget the language, just don't work for Nelson's senior. Stubborn a**h are not confined to any particular language. :) On 13 October 2015 at 14:14, Nelson <nelson.honey...@gmail.com> wrote: My concern here (regarding the job offer) is not about the language use. i cannot stress enough how a pain in the a** it can be when working with seniors who are reluctant to change and adopt newer better technology. And as a Junior in the team you are basically screwed, especially you started your training with all the modern tech and tools. I had a hard time convincing my senior to switch to ASP.NET MVC from WebForms. although that turn out may not be the best idea - he still code like WebForms way in MVC anyway he still thinks WebForms is superior and can do stuff MVC cant do till this date unfortunately you can also imagine how your ideas got banned just because you are the junior and he play the experience game with you. even though that experience translate to sticking to 10-20 years old libraries when there are modern, much more popular alternatives (the best example i think of right now is that he is still using his copy of a 1997 alpha version of date.js library - probably thats the time he started learning js?) I'm not saying VB.NET people are all stubborn and old. but the probability of having to work with a**h*** is just much higher than i like. After all, it won't be a cultural fit for me personally as i'm a state-of-the-art person and would love to work with new technology On 13 October 2015 at 13:53, Bill McCarthy <bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: Although there’s lots of c ‘style’ languages, the devil is always in the details/differences. I find it hard to switch between c# and js and not forget/mess up. With vb.net and js not so much a problem. The same use to be said for vb and vbscript in days of asp From: David Burstin Sent: Tuesday, 13 October 2015 1:41 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: vb.net I started my .net journey with vb.net, but these days I code C# unless I have to use vb for working with a legacy system. I agree with Bill - there really isn't much difference between using the languages in .net. In fact, knowing my way around the .net framework (from having used it with vb) made the transition to c# much easier. BUT, outside the .net world, I have found my knowledge of C# has helped me in reading (and learning) other languages - eg java, js, ruby. These all have a syntax which is far more like c# than vb. So, if you can only use one language, for me it would be C# - but there is no reason at all that you should be confined to one language. If you are interested in the job, than go for it. Whatever happens, you will learn. Any job provides an opportunity to practice our craft and become better programmers. Plus, you can do projects after hours in whatever language you want :) Cheers Dave On 13 October 2015 at 13:33, Bill McCarthy <bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: This usually a great rant starter for a Friday conversation. Realistically though Vb.net is much a muchness with c# on .net. Definitely the best language if doing integrated xml. With late binding stuff it has some advantages with better conversions, but also disadvantages such as wider scope. Realistically the biggest disadvantage of vb.net is if you want to integrate some large source code from open licence stuff... usually more is available in c#. From: Tom P Sent: Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:48 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: vb.net Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a few years. Thanks Tom
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I tend to agree with you. If there are two languages (C# & VB.NET) that are 99% functionally equivalent but 90% of people use one (C#) then to me it is a no brainer to use C# are well. I can't really think of any reason why someone would choose VB.NET for a new project over C# where the benefits outweigh the disadvantages. On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 1:35 PM, Nelson <nelson.honey...@gmail.com> wrote: > things that are old enough to still be running vb? > > and i have a feeling people who still stick to vb are fairly stubborn. > > i know im stereotyping here sorry if i offended anyone but that was my > experience > > > On Tuesday, 13 October 2015, Bill McCarthy < > bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > >> Really ? What ‘legacy’ things are you referring to ? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *From: *Nelson >> *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:52 PM >> *To: *ozDotNet >> *Subject: *Re: vb.net >> >> >> >> >> >> Personally i would turn down such offer - actually wouldnt even be >> applying in the first place. >> >> >> >> pretty good market out there with JS and C# .NET, try looking else where >> if you can >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> if you just recently graduated, your modern mindset would have a hard >> time dealing with VB and the legacy system. >> >> >> >> you will likely lose passion >> >> >> >> >> >> just my 2 cents >> >> >> >> >> >> On 13 October 2015 at 12:47, Tom P <tompbi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. >> Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would >> hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a >> few years. >> >> >> Thanks >> >> Tom >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >
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Tom said ‘vb.net’. From: Nelson Sent: Tuesday, 13 October 2015 1:35 PM To: Bill McCarthy Cc: Nelson;ozDotNet Subject: Re: vb.net things that are old enough to still be running vb? and i have a feeling people who still stick to vb are fairly stubborn. i know im stereotyping here sorry if i offended anyone but that was my experience On Tuesday, 13 October 2015, Bill McCarthy <bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: Really ? What ‘legacy’ things are you referring to ? From: Nelson Sent: Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:52 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: vb.net Personally i would turn down such offer - actually wouldnt even be applying in the first place. pretty good market out there with JS and C# .NET, try looking else where if you can if you just recently graduated, your modern mindset would have a hard time dealing with VB and the legacy system. you will likely lose passion just my 2 cents On 13 October 2015 at 12:47, Tom P <tompbi...@gmail.com> wrote: Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a few years. Thanks Tom
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I started my .net journey with vb.net, but these days I code C# unless I have to use vb for working with a legacy system. I agree with Bill - there really isn't much difference between using the languages in .net. In fact, knowing my way around the .net framework (from having used it with vb) made the transition to c# much easier. BUT, outside the .net world, I have found my knowledge of C# has helped me in reading (and learning) other languages - eg java, js, ruby. These all have a syntax which is far more like c# than vb. So, if you can only use one language, for me it would be C# - but there is no reason at all that you should be confined to one language. If you are interested in the job, than go for it. Whatever happens, you will learn. Any job provides an opportunity to practice our craft and become better programmers. Plus, you can do projects after hours in whatever language you want :) Cheers Dave On 13 October 2015 at 13:33, Bill McCarthy <bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > > > > > This usually a great rant starter for a Friday conversation. Realistically > though Vb.net is much a muchness with c# on .net. Definitely the best > language if doing integrated xml. With late binding stuff it has some > advantages with better conversions, but also disadvantages such as wider > scope. > > > > Realistically the biggest disadvantage of vb.net is if you want to > integrate some large source code from open licence stuff... usually more is > available in c#. > > > > > > > > > *From: *Tom P > *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:48 PM > *To: *ozDotNet > *Subject: *vb.net > > > > > > Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. > Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would > hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a > few years. > > > Thanks > > Tom > > > > >
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Definitely agree Bill. For some people (me), the similarities are helpful. For others (Bill), it is the differences that prevent confusion. Tom, see where you sit in relation to similarities / differences - self-awareness will definitely help your decision. On 13 October 2015 at 13:53, Bill McCarthy <bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > > > Although there’s lots of c ‘style’ languages, the devil is always in the > details/differences. I find it hard to switch between c# and js and not > forget/mess up. With vb.net and js not so much a problem. > > > > The same use to be said for vb and vbscript in days of asp > > > > > > > > > *From: *David Burstin > *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 October 2015 1:41 PM > *To: *ozDotNet > *Subject: *Re: vb.net > > > > > > I started my .net journey with vb.net, but these days I code C# unless I > have to use vb for working with a legacy system. > > > > I agree with Bill - there really isn't much difference between using the > languages in .net. In fact, knowing my way around the .net framework (from > having used it with vb) made the transition to c# much easier. > > > > BUT, outside the .net world, I have found my knowledge of C# has helped me > in reading (and learning) other languages - eg java, js, ruby. These all > have a syntax which is far more like c# than vb. > > > > So, if you can only use one language, for me it would be C# - but there is > no reason at all that you should be confined to one language. If you are > interested in the job, than go for it. Whatever happens, you will learn. > Any job provides an opportunity to practice our craft and become better > programmers. Plus, you can do projects after hours in whatever language you > want :) > > > > Cheers > > Dave > > > > On 13 October 2015 at 13:33, Bill McCarthy < > bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au> wrote: > > > > > > This usually a great rant starter for a Friday conversation. Realistically > though Vb.net is much a muchness with c# on .net. Definitely the best > language if doing integrated xml. With late binding stuff it has some > advantages with better conversions, but also disadvantages such as wider > scope. > > > > Realistically the biggest disadvantage of vb.net is if you want to > integrate some large source code from open licence stuff... usually more is > available in c#. > > > > > > > > > *From: *Tom P > *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:48 PM > *To: *ozDotNet > *Subject: *vb.net > > > > > > Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. > Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would > hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a > few years. > > > Thanks > > Tom > > > > > > > > > > >
RE: vb.net
This usually a great rant starter for a Friday conversation. Realistically though Vb.net is much a muchness with c# on .net. Definitely the best language if doing integrated xml. With late binding stuff it has some advantages with better conversions, but also disadvantages such as wider scope. Realistically the biggest disadvantage of vb.net is if you want to integrate some large source code from open licence stuff... usually more is available in c#. From: Tom P Sent: Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:48 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: vb.net Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a few years. Thanks Tom
Re: vb.net
Thanks guys some really good advice here. I will give it a shot with positivity. Thanks Tom On Tuesday, 13 October 2015, David Burstin <david.burs...@gmail.com> wrote: > I think the real message here is - forget the language, just don't work > for Nelson's senior. Stubborn a**h are not confined to any particular > language. :) > > On 13 October 2015 at 14:14, Nelson <nelson.honey...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','nelson.honey...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> My concern here (regarding the job offer) is not about the language use. >> >> i cannot stress enough how a pain in the a** it can be when working with >> seniors who are reluctant to change and adopt newer better technology. >> >> And as a Junior in the team you are basically screwed, especially you >> started your training with all the modern tech and tools. >> >> >> >> I had a hard time convincing my senior to switch to ASP.NET MVC from >> WebForms. >> >> although that turn out may not be the best idea - he still code like >> WebForms way in MVC >> >> anyway he still thinks WebForms is superior and can do stuff MVC cant do >> till this date unfortunately >> >> >> >> you can also imagine how your ideas got banned just because you are the >> junior and he play the experience game with you. >> >> even though that experience translate to sticking to 10-20 years old >> libraries when there are modern, much more popular alternatives >> >> (the best example i think of right now is that he is still using his copy >> of a 1997 alpha version of date.js library - probably thats the time he >> started learning js?) >> >> >> >> I'm not saying VB.NET people are all stubborn and old. but the >> probability of having to work with a**h*** is just much higher than i like. >> >> After all, it won't be a cultural fit for me personally as i'm a >> state-of-the-art person and would love to work with new technology >> >> >> On 13 October 2015 at 13:53, Bill McCarthy < >> bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au');>> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Although there’s lots of c ‘style’ languages, the devil is always in the >>> details/differences. I find it hard to switch between c# and js and not >>> forget/mess up. With vb.net and js not so much a problem. >>> >>> >>> >>> The same use to be said for vb and vbscript in days of asp >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *David Burstin >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 October 2015 1:41 PM >>> *To: *ozDotNet >>> *Subject: *Re: vb.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I started my .net journey with vb.net, but these days I code C# unless >>> I have to use vb for working with a legacy system. >>> >>> >>> >>> I agree with Bill - there really isn't much difference between using the >>> languages in .net. In fact, knowing my way around the .net framework (from >>> having used it with vb) made the transition to c# much easier. >>> >>> >>> >>> BUT, outside the .net world, I have found my knowledge of C# has helped >>> me in reading (and learning) other languages - eg java, js, ruby. These all >>> have a syntax which is far more like c# than vb. >>> >>> >>> >>> So, if you can only use one language, for me it would be C# - but there >>> is no reason at all that you should be confined to one language. If you are >>> interested in the job, than go for it. Whatever happens, you will learn. >>> Any job provides an opportunity to practice our craft and become better >>> programmers. Plus, you can do projects after hours in whatever language you >>> want :) >>> >>> >>> >>> Cheers >>> >>> Dave >>> >>> >>> >>> On 13 October 2015 at 13:33, Bill McCarthy < >>> bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','bill.mccarthy.li...@live.com.au');>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> This usually a great rant starter for a Friday conversation. >>> Realistically though Vb.net is much a muchness with c# on .net. Definitely >>> the best language if doing integrated xml. With late binding stuff it has >>> some advantages with better conversions, but also disadvantages such as >>> wider scope. >>> >>> >>> >>> Realistically the biggest disadvantage of vb.net is if you want to >>> integrate some large source code from open licence stuff... usually more is >>> available in c#. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> *From: *Tom P >>> *Sent: *Tuesday, 13 October 2015 12:48 PM >>> *To: *ozDotNet >>> *Subject: *vb.net >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Guys I've been offered a junior dev job but they insist on vb.net only. >>> Does anyone know what is happening with vb.net going forward? I would >>> hate to get stuck into the vb.net world and have it killed off within a >>> few years. >>> >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Tom >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > -- Thanks Tom
RE: VB.NET (was Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project)
I've been back at a place this week that has nearly 200 devs doing VB.NET. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Mark Hurd Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2014 4:59 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: VB.NET (was Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project) Yes, there are still VB.NET programmers around. My workplace is using C# for many new projects but we have lots of VB.NET (and some VB6) legacy stuff that won't go away. -- Regards, Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.) On 20 November 2014 16:07, DotNet Dude adotnetd...@gmail.com wrote: Did someone mention vb.net? Finally! Now I can sleep well knowing I'm not completely a dinosaur...yet. :p On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: C# is showing up in more and more places. Xamarin, Unity 3d, and I'm sure its elsewhere. I couldn't help but notice that too, it really gives street cred to C# ... Xamarin chooses C# as their primary language, but I see they have F# support documentation as well. Whatever happened to VB.NET? I miss the old VB sucks Fridays! Greg
Re: VB.NET (was Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project)
Can you name the place? I need a job :-) On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Greg Low (低格雷格) g...@greglow.com wrote: I've been back at a place this week that has nearly 200 devs doing VB.NET. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Mark Hurd Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2014 4:59 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: VB.NET (was Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project) Yes, there are still VB.NET programmers around. My workplace is using C# for many new projects but we have lots of VB.NET (and some VB6) legacy stuff that won't go away. -- Regards, Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.) On 20 November 2014 16:07, DotNet Dude adotnetd...@gmail.com wrote: Did someone mention vb.net? Finally! Now I can sleep well knowing I'm not completely a dinosaur...yet. :p On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: C# is showing up in more and more places. Xamarin, Unity 3d, and I'm sure its elsewhere. I couldn't help but notice that too, it really gives street cred to C# ... Xamarin chooses C# as their primary language, but I see they have F# support documentation as well. Whatever happened to VB.NET? I miss the old VB sucks Fridays! Greg
RE: VB.NET (was Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project)
Its very good that someone has had the foresight to keep them all together. You know, just in case we need one. On Nov 20, 2014 6:02 PM, Greg Low (低格雷格) g...@greglow.com wrote: I've been back at a place this week that has nearly 200 devs doing VB.NET. Regards, Greg Dr Greg Low 1300SQLSQL (1300 775 775) office | +61 419201410 mobile│ +61 3 8676 4913 fax SQL Down Under | Web: www.sqldownunder.com -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Mark Hurd Sent: Thursday, 20 November 2014 4:59 PM To: ozDotNet Subject: Re: VB.NET (was Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project) Yes, there are still VB.NET programmers around. My workplace is using C# for many new projects but we have lots of VB.NET (and some VB6) legacy stuff that won't go away. -- Regards, Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.) On 20 November 2014 16:07, DotNet Dude adotnetd...@gmail.com wrote: Did someone mention vb.net? Finally! Now I can sleep well knowing I'm not completely a dinosaur...yet. :p On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: C# is showing up in more and more places. Xamarin, Unity 3d, and I'm sure its elsewhere. I couldn't help but notice that too, it really gives street cred to C# ... Xamarin chooses C# as their primary language, but I see they have F# support documentation as well. Whatever happened to VB.NET? I miss the old VB sucks Fridays! Greg
VB.NET (was Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project)
Did someone mention vb.net? Finally! Now I can sleep well knowing I'm not completely a dinosaur...yet. :p On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: C# is showing up in more and more places. Xamarin, Unity 3d, and I'm sure its elsewhere. I couldn't help but notice that too, it really gives street cred to C# ... Xamarin chooses C# as their primary language, but I see they have F# support documentation as well. Whatever happened to VB.NET? I miss the old VB sucks Fridays! *Greg*
Re: VB.NET (was Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project)
Yes, there are still VB.NET programmers around. My workplace is using C# for many new projects but we have lots of VB.NET (and some VB6) legacy stuff that won't go away. -- Regards, Mark Hurd, B.Sc.(Ma.)(Hons.) On 20 November 2014 16:07, DotNet Dude adotnetd...@gmail.com wrote: Did someone mention vb.net? Finally! Now I can sleep well knowing I'm not completely a dinosaur...yet. :p On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: C# is showing up in more and more places. Xamarin, Unity 3d, and I'm sure its elsewhere. I couldn't help but notice that too, it really gives street cred to C# ... Xamarin chooses C# as their primary language, but I see they have F# support documentation as well. Whatever happened to VB.NET? I miss the old VB sucks Fridays! Greg
Re: VB.NET (was Re: VS2013 Windows Phone project)
It's Thursday, we can have it tomorrow. On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 4:37 PM, DotNet Dude adotnetd...@gmail.com wrote: Did someone mention vb.net? Finally! Now I can sleep well knowing I'm not completely a dinosaur...yet. :p On Thu, Nov 20, 2014 at 1:01 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: C# is showing up in more and more places. Xamarin, Unity 3d, and I'm sure its elsewhere. I couldn't help but notice that too, it really gives street cred to C# ... Xamarin chooses C# as their primary language, but I see they have F# support documentation as well. Whatever happened to VB.NET? I miss the old VB sucks Fridays! *Greg* -- Meski http://courteous.ly/aAOZcv Going to Starbucks for coffee is like going to prison for sex. Sure, you'll get it, but it's going to be rough - Adam Hills
Re: vb.net question
End is very bad, replace it with application.exit. End will leave threads / resources active/open. Davy Sent from my BlackBerry® wireless device -Original Message- From: Peter Maddin petermad...@iinet.net.au Sender: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 16:59:13 To: 'ozDotNet'ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Reply-To: ozDotNet ozdotnet@ozdotnet.com Subject: vb.net question I do not code in vb.net but have been given vb.net source to look at. I have noticed that I have an event handler coded as Private Sub _testCatalogue_ViewerNewVersion(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal e As System.EventArgs) Handles _testCatalogue.ViewerNewVersion End End Sub When it hits the End statement the application closes. I am expecting that, but I have tried to find out where this 'End' is documented. Is there a list of vb.net commands that specifies what this does. I would have thought that closing the main form would close the application, but this End seems to do this ok. Regards Peter Maddin Applications Development Officer PathWest Laboratory Medicine WA Phone : +618 6396 4285 (Monday, Wednesday,Friday) Phone : +618 9346 4372 (Tuesday, Thursday) Mobile: 0423 540 825 E-Mail : petermad...@iinet.net.au; peter.mad...@health.wa.gov.au The contents of this e-mail transmission outside of the WAGHS network are intended solely for the named recipient's), may be confidential, and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure in the public interest. The use, reproduction, disclosure or distribution of the contents of this e-mail transmission by any person other than the named recipient(s) is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient please notify the sender immediately.
RE: vb.net question
It should be in the language documentation: look for End Statement. For windows.forms it calls on Environment.Exit |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Peter Maddin |Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 7:59 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: vb.net question | |I do not code in vb.net but have been given vb.net source to look at. | | | |I have noticed that I have an event handler coded as | | | |Private Sub _testCatalogue_ViewerNewVersion(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal |e As System.EventArgs) Handles _testCatalogue.ViewerNewVersion | |End | |End Sub | | | |When it hits the End statement the application closes. I am expecting that, but I |have tried to find out where this 'End' is documented. | |Is there a list of vb.net commands that specifies what this does. I would have |thought that closing the main form would close the application, but this End |seems to do this ok. | | | |Regards Peter Maddin |Applications Development Officer |PathWest Laboratory Medicine WA |Phone : +618 6396 4285 (Monday, Wednesday,Friday) | |Phone : +618 9346 4372 (Tuesday, Thursday) |Mobile: 0423 540 825 |E-Mail : petermad...@iinet.net.au; peter.mad...@health.wa.gov.au The |contents of this e-mail transmission outside of the WAGHS network are intended |solely for the named recipient's), may be confidential, and may be privileged or |otherwise protected from disclosure in the public interest. The use, reproduction, |disclosure or distribution of the contents of this e-mail transmission by any |person other than the named recipient(s) is prohibited. If you are not a named |recipient please notify the sender immediately. | | | |
RE: vb.net question
I found this in the documentation The End statement stops code execution abruptly, and does not invoke the Dispose or Finalize method, or any other Visual Basic code. Object references held by other programs are invalidated. If an End statement is encountered within a Try or Catch block, control does not pass to the corresponding Finally block. Sounds like it should only be used in exceptional circumstances i.e. when critical/catastrophic errors are encountered Regards Peter Maddin Applications Development Officer PathWest Laboratory Medicine WA Phone : +618 6396 4285 (Monday, Wednesday,Friday) Phone : +618 9346 4372 (Tuesday, Thursday) Mobile: 0423 540 825 E-Mail : petermad...@iinet.net.au; peter.mad...@health.wa.gov.au The contents of this e-mail transmission outside of the WAGHS network are intended solely for the named recipient's), may be confidential, and may be privileged or otherwise protected from disclosure in the public interest. The use, reproduction, disclosure or distribution of the contents of this e-mail transmission by any person other than the named recipient(s) is prohibited. If you are not a named recipient please notify the sender immediately. -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 5:07 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: vb.net question It should be in the language documentation: look for End Statement. For windows.forms it calls on Environment.Exit |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Peter Maddin |Sent: Tuesday, 13 December 2011 7:59 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: vb.net question | |I do not code in vb.net but have been given vb.net source to look at. | | | |I have noticed that I have an event handler coded as | | | |Private Sub _testCatalogue_ViewerNewVersion(ByVal sender As Object, ByVal |e As System.EventArgs) Handles _testCatalogue.ViewerNewVersion | |End | |End Sub | | | |When it hits the End statement the application closes. I am expecting that, but I |have tried to find out where this 'End' is documented. | |Is there a list of vb.net commands that specifies what this does. I would have |thought that closing the main form would close the application, but this End |seems to do this ok. | | | |Regards Peter Maddin |Applications Development Officer |PathWest Laboratory Medicine WA |Phone : +618 6396 4285 (Monday, Wednesday,Friday) | |Phone : +618 9346 4372 (Tuesday, Thursday) |Mobile: 0423 540 825 |E-Mail : petermad...@iinet.net.au; peter.mad...@health.wa.gov.au The |contents of this e-mail transmission outside of the WAGHS network are intended |solely for the named recipient's), may be confidential, and may be privileged or |otherwise protected from disclosure in the public interest. The use, reproduction, |disclosure or distribution of the contents of this e-mail transmission by any |person other than the named recipient(s) is prohibited. If you are not a named |recipient please notify the sender immediately. | | | |
Re: [OT] Looking for a Permanent Talented .Net Developer (VB.Net or C#)
Hi All, Thanks for your responses, some answers to general questions I have received... Yes the job is in the Sydney CBD, not far from Wynyard. To be honest, we have not yet thought about the salary range too much, we want to see what the talent available is and we will then think how that will fit within the team and pay what we need to get the talent (within reason). All the best Greg On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Greg Harris harris.gre...@gmail.comwrote: Hi All, We are Looking for a Permanent Talented .Net Developer (VB.Net or C#) About us: · Sydney based international software house specialising in financial software in business for over 15 years experiencing rapid market driven growth · International offices in North America and Europe · Existing team of 8 highly talented developers · Great environment to learn / improve best practice software development, with test driven development, continuous integration, agile practices and scrum project management · Pay above market salaries to attract awesome people Our requirements for our new team member are: More than 24 months relevant commercial experience with strong knowledge and experience with: · .Net Development (VB.Net or C#) · Deep understanding of Object Oriented Design · Agile / test driven development · Win forms development · Relational database design / development with SQL Server · Financial software or financial modelling experience will be highly regarded We can only consider permanent Australian permanent residents who can interview and work full time in our Sydney office. This is a great opportunity to work with the best in the industry, to take this to the next level, please send me a copy of your CV for our consideration. No agencies please. All the best Greg Harris harris.gre...@gmail.com
[OT] Looking for a Permanent Talented .Net Developer (VB.Net or C#)
Hi All, We are Looking for a Permanent Talented .Net Developer (VB.Net or C#) About us: · Sydney based international software house specialising in financial software in business for over 15 years experiencing rapid market driven growth · International offices in North America and Europe · Existing team of 8 highly talented developers · Great environment to learn / improve best practice software development, with test driven development, continuous integration, agile practices and scrum project management · Pay above market salaries to attract awesome people Our requirements for our new team member are: More than 24 months relevant commercial experience with strong knowledge and experience with: · .Net Development (VB.Net or C#) · Deep understanding of Object Oriented Design · Agile / test driven development · Win forms development · Relational database design / development with SQL Server · Financial software or financial modelling experience will be highly regarded We can only consider permanent Australian permanent residents who can interview and work full time in our Sydney office. This is a great opportunity to work with the best in the industry, to take this to the next level, please send me a copy of your CV for our consideration. No agencies please. All the best Greg Harris harris.gre...@gmail.com
vb.net xml help
I am using Xpath to get a value but fails when the xml has an element of the form ns0:PurchaseOrderSent xmlns:ns0=http://www.buylink.com.au; /ns0:PurchaseOrderSent BUT works when its of the form ns0 xmlns:ns0=http://www.buylink.com.au;/ns0 Anyone see the issues? Is ns0:PurchaseOrderSent.. valid XML element? FAILS ns0:PurchaseOrderSent xmlns:ns0=http://www.buylink.com.au; DownloadPurchaseOrder PurchaseOrder Header DocType=PO PoNo=2192 / /PurchaseOrder /DownloadPurchaseOrder /ns0:PurchaseOrderSent Function getXMLXpath(ByVal sXML As String) As String Dim myEncoder As New System.Text.ASCIIEncoding Dim bytes As Byte() = myEncoder.GetBytes(sXML) Dim ms As MemoryStream = New MemoryStream(bytes) Dim xpathDoc As XPathDocument Dim xmlNav As XPathNavigator Dim xmlNI As XPathNodeIterator xpathDoc = New XPathDocument(ms) xmlNav = xpathDoc.CreateNavigator() Try xmlNI = xmlNav.Select(/ns0:PurchaseOrderSent/DownloadPurchaseOrder/PurchaseOrder/He ader/@PoNo) //Excepytion Erros 'Namespace Manager or XsltContext needed. This query has a prefix, variable, or user-defined function.' While (xmlNI.MoveNext()) Return xmlNI.Current.Value End While Catch ex As Exception End Try End Function WORKS ns0 xmlns:ns0=http://www.buylink.com.au; DownloadPurchaseOrder PurchaseOrder Header DocType=PO PoNo=2192 / /PurchaseOrder /DownloadPurchaseOrder /ns0 Function getXMLXpath(ByVal sXML As String) As String Dim myEncoder As New System.Text.ASCIIEncoding Dim bytes As Byte() = myEncoder.GetBytes(sXML) Dim ms As MemoryStream = New MemoryStream(bytes) Dim xpathDoc As XPathDocument Dim xmlNav As XPathNavigator Dim xmlNI As XPathNodeIterator xpathDoc = New XPathDocument(ms) xmlNav = xpathDoc.CreateNavigator() Try xmlNI = xmlNav.Select(/ns0/DownloadPurchaseOrder/PurchaseOrder/Header/@PoNo) While (xmlNI.MoveNext()) Return xmlNI.Current.Value 'Returns 2192 End While Catch ex As Exception End Try End Function Is your website being IntelliXperienced? http://www.intellixperience.com/signup.aspx | www.yougoingmyway.com ? regards Anthony (*12QWERNB*) Is your website being IntelliXperienced?
RE: vb.net xml help
That worked a treat! thanks From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Wednesday, 10 November 2010 1:09 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: vb.net xml help Try this function instead : Function GetPoNo(ByVal island As String) As String Return XElement.Parse(island).DownloadPurchaseOrder.PurchaseOrder.Header@pon o End Function From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Anthony Sent: Wednesday, 10 November 2010 12:50 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: vb.net xml help I am using Xpath to get a value but fails when the xml has an element of the form ns0:PurchaseOrderSent xmlns:ns0=http://www.buylink.com.au; /ns0:PurchaseOrderSent BUT works when its of the form ns0 xmlns:ns0=http://www.buylink.com.au;/ns0 Anyone see the issues? Is ns0:PurchaseOrderSent.. valid XML element? FAILS ns0:PurchaseOrderSent xmlns:ns0=http://www.buylink.com.au; DownloadPurchaseOrder PurchaseOrder Header DocType=PO PoNo=2192 / /PurchaseOrder /DownloadPurchaseOrder /ns0:PurchaseOrderSent Function getXMLXpath(ByVal sXML As String) As String Dim myEncoder As New System.Text.ASCIIEncoding Dim bytes As Byte() = myEncoder.GetBytes(sXML) Dim ms As MemoryStream = New MemoryStream(bytes) Dim xpathDoc As XPathDocument Dim xmlNav As XPathNavigator Dim xmlNI As XPathNodeIterator xpathDoc = New XPathDocument(ms) xmlNav = xpathDoc.CreateNavigator() Try xmlNI = xmlNav.Select(/ns0:PurchaseOrderSent/DownloadPurchaseOrder/PurchaseOrder/He ader/@PoNo) //Excepytion Erros 'Namespace Manager or XsltContext needed. This query has a prefix, variable, or user-defined function.' While (xmlNI.MoveNext()) Return xmlNI.Current.Value End While Catch ex As Exception End Try End Function WORKS ns0 xmlns:ns0=http://www.buylink.com.au; DownloadPurchaseOrder PurchaseOrder Header DocType=PO PoNo=2192 / /PurchaseOrder /DownloadPurchaseOrder /ns0 Function getXMLXpath(ByVal sXML As String) As String Dim myEncoder As New System.Text.ASCIIEncoding Dim bytes As Byte() = myEncoder.GetBytes(sXML) Dim ms As MemoryStream = New MemoryStream(bytes) Dim xpathDoc As XPathDocument Dim xmlNav As XPathNavigator Dim xmlNI As XPathNodeIterator xpathDoc = New XPathDocument(ms) xmlNav = xpathDoc.CreateNavigator() Try xmlNI = xmlNav.Select(/ns0/DownloadPurchaseOrder/PurchaseOrder/Header/@PoNo) While (xmlNI.MoveNext()) Return xmlNI.Current.Value 'Returns 2192 End While Catch ex As Exception End Try End Function http://www.intellixperience.com/signup.aspx Is your website being IntelliXperienced? | www.yougoingmyway.com ? regards Anthony (*12QWERNB*) Is your website being IntelliXperienced?
RE: Vb.net Modules or classes
Hi Tom, is it quiet in here or is my email on the fritz? Modules were weird and unclear abstractions in the old VB days that irritated and confused me. They still do, so whenever I make a new VB project I delete the Module and I create classes. I'm probably biased here because I come from a C/C++/Java background in the 90s. I'm a bit rusty on this, but can VB boffins confirm that a Module is similar to a static/Shared class of methods, but you see an unqualified flattened view of what they contain? Can someone also confirm that the concept of a Module is meaningless to the CLR? I'd run with your feeling on this that Modules are wrong. My console apps always have a class with a static/Shared Main method, which seems natural to me, not overkill. Cheers, Greg Ps. I recommend that you put all of the core functionality of what your apps do into a library and consider the Console app just a thin wrapper around that functionality. That way you can create Forms apps, services, etc that wrap the functionality. Pps. No coding over 0.05 or with a hangover.
RE: Vb.net Modules or classes
Greg Over the years, there have been some discussions on this, eg Joel Spolksky at http://tinyurl.com/26x7xg5 - and Microsoft does have some words in several places (I haven't chased them up). Erik Meier's explanations might be worth looking for. The joelonsoftware discussion is from 2006, and goes into the VB6/VBA origins of the idea of modules. A module is just a class where Shared is implicitly understood for each member, and the module name does not need to be supplied when the members are used. I'd agree that classes should be used, and to your approach to immediately delete the Module1 when a VB.NET project is first created. I would guess (Bill McCarthy would know better than I) that the CLI is ignorant of Module because the compiler transmogrifies to classes or equivalent. It's often said that Module was a kludge or aid and inducement for VB6/VBA people to transition to VB.NET. _ Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia _ From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh Sent: Sunday, 6 June 2010 3:19 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Vb.net Modules or classes Hi Tom, is it quiet in here or is my email on the fritz? Modules were weird and unclear abstractions in the old VB days that irritated and confused me. They still do, so whenever I make a new VB project I delete the Module and I create classes. I'm probably biased here because I come from a C/C++/Java background in the 90s. I'm a bit rusty on this, but can VB boffins confirm that a Module is similar to a static/Shared class of methods, but you see an unqualified flattened view of what they contain? Can someone also confirm that the concept of a Module is meaningless to the CLR? I'd run with your feeling on this that Modules are wrong. My console apps always have a class with a static/Shared Main method, which seems natural to me, not overkill. Cheers, Greg Ps. I recommend that you put all of the core functionality of what your apps do into a library and consider the Console app just a thin wrapper around that functionality. That way you can create Forms apps, services, etc that wrap the functionality. Pps. No coding over 0.05 or with a hangover.
RE: Vb.net Modules or classes
Hi Greg, Ian, all As Ian says a Module is a Shared class. In C# a similar concept is a static class which I think they introduced in Visual C# 2005 or maybe it was 2008. VB's implementation is basically the same but there is also an implicit namespace import inside a project such that the module name is not needed. This is similar to importing a class name (VB only), eg: Class Foo Shared Sub Bar() ' End Sub End Class Then elsewhere in another code file Imports ConsoleApplication1.Foo Class X Sub test() Bar() ' Foo.Bar() can be written as Bar() End Sub End Class Apart from the global namespace magic, they are basically Shared (aka static in C#) classes. I think the main uses for them are for application entry points, hence forcing the code all to be Shared in there (which is the case), and more importantly for extension methods. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas |Sent: Sunday, 6 June 2010 6:53 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Vb.net Modules or classes | |Greg | |Over the years, there have been some discussions on this, eg Joel Spolksky at |http://tinyurl.com/26x7xg5 - and Microsoft does have some words in several |places (I haven't chased them up). | |Erik Meier's explanations might be worth looking for. | |The joelonsoftware discussion is from 2006, and goes into the VB6/VBA origins |of the idea of modules. | |A module is just a class where Shared is implicitly understood for each |member, and the module name does not need to be supplied when the |members are used. | |I'd agree that classes should be used, and to your approach to immediately |delete the Module1 when a VB.NET project is first created. | |I would guess (Bill McCarthy would know better than I) that the CLI is ignorant |of Module because the compiler transmogrifies to classes or equivalent. It's |often said that Module was a kludge or aid and inducement for VB6/VBA |people to transition to VB.NET. | | | |Ian Thomas |Victoria Park, Western Australia | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh |Sent: Sunday, 6 June 2010 3:19 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Vb.net Modules or classes | | | |Hi Tom, is it quiet in here or is my email on the fritz? | | | |Modules were weird and unclear abstractions in the old VB days that irritated |and confused me. They still do, so whenever I make a new VB project I delete |the Module and I create classes. I'm probably biased here because I come from |a C/C++/Java background in the 90s. I'm a bit rusty on this, but can VB boffins |confirm that a Module is similar to a static/Shared class of methods, but you |see an unqualified flattened view of what they contain? Can someone also |confirm that the concept of a Module is meaningless to the CLR? | | | |I'd run with your feeling on this that Modules are wrong. My console apps |always have a class with a static/Shared Main method, which seems natural to |me, not overkill. | | | |Cheers, | |Greg | | | |Ps. I recommend that you put all of the core functionality of what your apps do |into a library and consider the Console app just a thin wrapper around that |functionality. That way you can create Forms apps, services, etc that wrap the |functionality. | | | |Pps. No coding over 0.05 or with a hangover.
RE: Vb.net Modules or classes
It is interesting to read the VB Reference (MSDN or VB Developer Center) on the Class and the Module statements. Class: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-US/library/wa0hwf23(v=VS.80).aspx Module: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/aaxss7da(v=VS.80).aspx In particular, there is a small section in each on Classes and Modules - pointing out the similarities, and the important differences. This is for 3 different areas: terminology, shared members, and object orientation. Tom: If you're continuing to use Module, then there are important sections on Rules (Modifiers, Inheritance, Default property) and Behavior (Access Level, Scope, Qualification). And I would read both the links above, and then (from the Remarks section under the Class statement) jump to 5 of the links there. It's pretty obvious which are important. Ian Thomas Victoria Park, Western Australia -Original Message- From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Bill McCarthy Sent: Sunday, 6 June 2010 5:14 PM To: 'ozDotNet' Subject: RE: Vb.net Modules or classes Hi Greg, Ian, all As Ian says a Module is a Shared class. In C# a similar concept is a static class which I think they introduced in Visual C# 2005 or maybe it was 2008. VB's implementation is basically the same but there is also an implicit namespace import inside a project such that the module name is not needed. This is similar to importing a class name (VB only), eg: Class Foo Shared Sub Bar() ' End Sub End Class Then elsewhere in another code file Imports ConsoleApplication1.Foo Class X Sub test() Bar() ' Foo.Bar() can be written as Bar() End Sub End Class Apart from the global namespace magic, they are basically Shared (aka static in C#) classes. I think the main uses for them are for application entry points, hence forcing the code all to be Shared in there (which is the case), and more importantly for extension methods. |-Original Message- |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Ian Thomas |Sent: Sunday, 6 June 2010 6:53 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Vb.net Modules or classes | |Greg | |Over the years, there have been some discussions on this, eg Joel Spolksky at |http://tinyurl.com/26x7xg5 - and Microsoft does have some words in several |places (I haven't chased them up). | |Erik Meier's explanations might be worth looking for. | |The joelonsoftware discussion is from 2006, and goes into the VB6/VBA origins |of the idea of modules. | |A module is just a class where Shared is implicitly understood for each |member, and the module name does not need to be supplied when the |members are used. | |I'd agree that classes should be used, and to your approach to immediately |delete the Module1 when a VB.NET project is first created. | |I would guess (Bill McCarthy would know better than I) that the CLI is ignorant |of Module because the compiler transmogrifies to classes or equivalent. It's |often said that Module was a kludge or aid and inducement for VB6/VBA |people to transition to VB.NET. | | | |Ian Thomas |Victoria Park, Western Australia | | | |From: ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com [mailto:ozdotnet- |boun...@ozdotnet.com] On Behalf Of Greg Keogh |Sent: Sunday, 6 June 2010 3:19 PM |To: 'ozDotNet' |Subject: RE: Vb.net Modules or classes | | | |Hi Tom, is it quiet in here or is my email on the fritz? | | | |Modules were weird and unclear abstractions in the old VB days that irritated |and confused me. They still do, so whenever I make a new VB project I delete |the Module and I create classes. I'm probably biased here because I come from |a C/C++/Java background in the 90s. I'm a bit rusty on this, but can VB boffins |confirm that a Module is similar to a static/Shared class of methods, but you |see an unqualified flattened view of what they contain? Can someone also |confirm that the concept of a Module is meaningless to the CLR? | | | |I'd run with your feeling on this that Modules are wrong. My console apps |always have a class with a static/Shared Main method, which seems natural to |me, not overkill. | | | |Cheers, | |Greg | | | |Ps. I recommend that you put all of the core functionality of what your apps do |into a library and consider the Console app just a thin wrapper around that |functionality. That way you can create Forms apps, services, etc that wrap the |functionality. | | | |Pps. No coding over 0.05 or with a hangover.
RE: Vb.net Modules or classes
Chaps, I think we've answered Tom's question in a way, eventually, I hope. He was suspicious of using Modules, and you've confirmed my suspicions that Modules are aliases for static classes that don't need to be qualified. No other .NET compliant language I know of hides what's going on underneath with a Module concept (except maybe F# where by default your methods go into one big anonymous class). I reckon you should avoid Modules, they always seemed a bit weird to me. Everyone recognises the word class. Greg
Re: Vb.net Modules or classes
Cheers guys, very helpful. On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Greg Keogh g...@mira.net wrote: Aha! Here’s the statement that sums it all up with legal clarity: http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/7825002w(v=VS.80).aspx *This means that variables in a standard module are effectively global variables because they are visible from anywhere in your project, and they exist for the life of the program.*** The defence (or prosecution) rests. Greg
Re: Vb.net Modules or classes
Gday dotnetters, Ever since I switched to vb.net i find im using Modules more and more, rarely creating classes, particularly at the entry point into a few utility console apps im working on. This definitely feels wrong, is it just bad design? Should i be learning OO design again? As an example say Im rewriting msbuild or similar tool, i can see myself just creating a single method in a Module and that'l be it. Is that bad? what if it is all i need? Should i create a class with a single Run method? Seems overkill Look forward to some responses, perhaps Im hungover :) From here : http://weblogs.asp.net/alex_papadimoulis/archive/2004/06/17/158295.aspx It seems that modules are just some sort of static-method-like thing. And while I completely disagree with the example in that blog post, for a VB.NET programmer that may be useful. I agree with his conclusion: do it if it feels good. Regarding writing an application that consists entirely of a Run method. Well, sure, if it only does one (very short) thing. But when it starts to do more you'll naturally end up with a nicer design as a result of implementing it correctly. -- silky http://www.programmingbranch.com/
RE: vb.net switching between debug and release in VS2008
Kirsten, in a VB.NET project in VS2008 I can see the Configuration combo at the top of the Compile sheet in project properties (Debug|Release). I also have a Build Configuration Manager menu. I can also right-click the solution node and get the Configuration Manager menu. From what I recall, none of these were present in your VS2008, is it still like that? Greg
