Fw: Doula service in western Sydney
Thankyou to those of you who have given me some resources to pass on. However I'm am saddened that this posting has causeda fellow midwife a great deal of pain. It was not my intention at all. I believe that we all as midwives should be working together with and for women. I was merely expressing what the woman had told me, if she had given me misleading or false information then I was badly misled and have as a result gone on to hurt a colleague and that causes me grief also. I do understand about the extremely difficult circumstances that midwives, inparticular IP's are currently burdened, It was NEVER my intention to exacerbate the situation. I have worked very closely with IP's and personally in caseload practise and realise the importance and difficulty of midwifery and offering choice to women. That is why I was asking for resources for this woman, I again apologise for the pain that this has caused this midwife and any others, I was acting in good faith with what I was told were the facts by this woman.(Not third hand) We indeed need to work with women and their choices AND be supportive of each other as midwife colleagues, and that was my intention, to build bridges and networks not weapons and walls. I am sorry. Pauline
Re: Doula service in western Sydney
Why is it that some people or only supportive of woman's choice when it is in line with "theirs"? Question to ponder?? This made me think of what the Investigatorat the medical Practitioners board said to me... I said that i had been given little choice and that I had been told that i HAD TO HAVE THAT TYPE OF CARE ETC.. I was railroaded into it even when I asked for something else. He said, you arenot in Melbourne, if you had been in melbourne you would have had more choices. My reply was, "I am in the second largest town in Victoria and you are telling me that the only place where a woman gets any choice in how she births her baby is in Melbourne?" He was at a loss for a reply. Something to really ponder. What choices are available or are made available to women by doctors - the first point of call for most women when they become pregnant is their GP.. The GP directs them into the 'standard medical cattle yard..' It goes from there. Just my thoughts for the evening. Rhonda.
Re: Doula service in western Sydney
In a message dated 14/11/01 11:16:06 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something to really ponder. What choices are available or are made available to women by doctors - the first point of call for most women when they become pregnant is their GP.. The GP directs them into the 'standard medical cattle yard..' It goes from there. Just my thoughts for the evening. Rhonda. Hi Rhonda, great to see you and to catch up again at the rally the other weekend. Was a great day. I have a request if you wouldn't mind. A while ago you posted a poem/story on the list based on your incredible personal journey. I can't seem to find it in the archives of ozmid and was wondering if you could pass it on again. Can't remember exactly what you called it !!! I am writing some stuff on the 'invisible women' in our maternity service and would love your permission to use some of your poem/story, should once I refresh my memory of it, it fits in to what I'm doing. Thanks, Yours in birth, Tina. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Doula service in western Sydney
Dear Tina, It was a great day - apart from the wind! I think this is what you are refering to and I would be glad for you to use some or all of it if it helps you. Regards Rhonda. I do not understand! I am the obstetrician - I come to save you from the burden and the pain of birth. I come to free you of the risks of nature. Why do you turn away from me? I have the knowledge of seeing a generation of children born before my eyes. I have the knowledge of my predecessors and those who birthed children before them. I have the tools and the medicine to give you your baby without the pain and without the risks of nature. I have the technology - pethadine and stirrups, epidurals and cesarean sections. I have spinals and gas, episiotemy's and sutures. I can control you and I can deliver your baby to you. Why do you not respect my wisdom? I do not understand you? I am a woman - I was born with a single precious gift within my body. I was born a woman to deliver to the world a new generation. I have learned from my mother and from those who have birthed before me. I have a natural ability to birth my child. I have the strength and the faith to conquer the pain and deliver my baby in a gentle and sacred way. I am a woman who has felt the sting of your needle and the pain of your caesarean section. I have watched you take my baby from me and I have struggled for weeks and months for her return. I have felt the confusion, the sadness and the coldness of your technology. I turn away from the anguish and heartache of your cold medical birth and I look deeply and longingly at the strength of women. I am an obstetrician who has seen the dangers and casualties of birth and I reject your views. I don't see that my medicine can cause you harm - I am here to help. I have been taught to help and I must do something to you. You must need me to deliver your baby. I am a woman who has seen the beautiful birth of babies with none of your tools and none of your help. I have also seen the increase in Post Natal Depression and the anger left in the hearts and souls of women. I have seen the babies dumped on doorsteps and marriages that have broken, the pain and confusion of mothers that leads to dysfunctional relationships and tormented children. The price of your help is so high - can you not see what you have done? I have seen the anger and the rage about your help I have heard the cries for it to stop. Why can you not support and assist nature without having to use your tools? Why can you not respect and accept the beauty, strength and wisdom that women have? I do not understand you? 15/8/01 Rhonda Polley - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 11:48 PM Subject: Re: Doula service in western Sydney In a message dated 14/11/01 11:16:06 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Something to really ponder. What choices are available or are made available to women by doctors - the first point of call for most women when they become pregnant is their GP.. The GP directs them into the 'standard medical cattle yard..' It goes from there. Just my thoughts for the evening. Rhonda. Hi Rhonda, great to see you and to catch up again at the rally the other weekend. Was a great day. I have a request if you wouldn't mind. A while ago you posted a poem/story on the list based on your incredible personal journey. I can't seem to find it in the archives of ozmid and was wondering if you could pass it on again. Can't remember exactly what you called it !!! I am writing some stuff on the 'invisible women' in our maternity service and would love your permission to use some of your poem/story, should once I refresh my memory of it, it fits in to what I'm doing. Thanks, Yours in birth, Tina. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Doula service in western Sydney
In a message dated 15/11/01 12:12:32 AM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Tina, It was a great day - apart from the wind! I think this is what you are refering to and I would be glad for you to use some or all of it if it helps you. Regards Rhonda. Cool Rhonda - yep thats the one Oh boy its powerful stuff !! Thanks again for your permission to use it should I need too. I appreciate it heaps. Yours in birth, Tina. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: short cord
Jan, I had to smile when I read your email, as a friend had an almost identical birth last year. a 12 inch cord (at full stretch), high head, water birth, obviously not a shouldar dystocia. It took a lot of maternal and midwife effort to deliver the shouldars and body. when the midwife turned the baby over found the snapped cord, well she too took longer than the baby to recover. Mother is to have her second babe soon, we will have to tell her that there is someone else who had her experience! Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/11/01 12:25pm thanks for replies 12 inches or just under is about 26cms that is including every bit of the stretched and torn cord . the baby stayed very high the cx was 8cm pp-3 at 8am multigravid with membranes intact the baby was born quickly at 2pm 2nd stage very short the head and shoulders delivered well underwater and then it took maternal effort and midwife pulling baby underarm's to breaking the cord and birthing the baby.The baby was floppy with a good heart rate pale and covered in mec she recovered quicker than I did and was soon breast feeding .There was about 5cms of cord on baby and no cord to be seen out of vagina. I have seen snapped cords twice but this was extraordinary in that it had to snap for the baby to be born lol jan - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 11, 2001 4:30 AM Subject: Re: short cord Actually my third daughter was born that way in a birth center in Chicago in 1981. It didn't cause any problems at the birth and was only evident when the midwife was passing her to me and she couldn't reach my breast, stopped just at my umbilicus. So we wrapped her and held her there attempting to wait for the cord to stop pulsing but she was rooting vigorously for the breast so we did cut it earlier than planned, I think it was still pulsing a little (not sure), I just wanted to hold her. Anyway Rach went straight to the breast and stayed there for the next 2 hours. There were not any problems with 3rd stage. Haven't had this happenned at any births I have attended though. Regards, marilyn -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: Update of Australian Midwifery Campaign Brochure
Denise I totally support these goals. Are you going to take these on as your project? I am happy to support you, share any information, review drafts of letters c for you or anyone else who is prepared to direct their efforts towards the achievement of the goal of the midwifery campaign. You think pigs might fly? I remember also the saying of throwing pearls before swine, and try to direct my pearls strategically. Joy -Original Message- From: Denise Hynd [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 14, 2001 5:46 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject:Re: Update of Australian Midwifery Campaign Brochure Dear Joy All right let us at least start with 2 which are possibly acheivable now and maybe one day we may be in the realms of flying pigs or at least where our kiwi sistera ar? 1) Get ACMI to put a new brochure and article in their news to every member asking them to collect signatures and seek the support of other groups to which they belong such as Playgoups, other female unions! 2) Work on persuading ABA to be supportive (understand they have their AGM coming up soon in Melbourne - get ABA to put a brochure article in their newsletter - there is a precedent, I remember they had a postcard to send to Carmen Lawrence when she was Mins of Health seeking midwifery options!! a lover of flying procine Denise - Original Message - From: Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 12:16 PM Subject: RE: Update of Australian Midwifery Campaign Brochure Dear Denise I hope you don't want me to answer your string of questions one by one. Yes, the boundaries of the campaign are as wide as we ourselves make them. Anyone who belongs to a play group, a farmers union, a church ladies guild, ABA or whatever can approach that group with a simple request that the goal of the midwifery campaign be endorsed, and that this be minuted. If the news finds its way back to me, I will gladly put it on the brochure. As far as WHO, ILF, and NHMRC are concerned - AS IF! What about AMA, RANZCOG, and all the rest? Please prove me wrong! Joy -Original Message- From: Denise Hynd [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 10:59 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Update of Australian Midwifery Campaign Brochure Dear Joy Will ACMI put a brochure and article in their news to every member asking them to collect signatures and seek the support of other groups to which they belong such as Playgoups, other female unions What about ABA could they be persuaded to be supportive put a brochure article in their newsletter - there is a precedent, I remember they had a postcard to send to Carmen Lawrence when she was Mins of Health seeking midwifery options!! Also ACMI could get the support of the all the other nursing groups eg ANF, CNA, and other female unions and the support of the TLC?? ? As WHO recognises midwives as the appropriate carers for healthy women the endorsement of WHO, ILO, Unicef etc could be a goal something to go to the governmemnts with?? And whilst we are there NHMRC and every other group who has had review into Australian maternity services could also endorse the campaign??!! Now there some supporters to put on the brochure which would have to be a booklet?? Denise Also - Original Message - From: Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery list (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: ACMI (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:43 AM Subject: Update of Australian Midwifery Campaign Brochure Dear listfriends The Brochure of the Midwifery Campaign is due for updating, and my current plan is to make one brochure that can be used across Australia (rather than keeping the State brochures), with space for local contact details to be added by a stamp or sticky label (or hand written). It is hoped that these brochures will then be copied by the 100s, and put out for people to take wherever people gather. The new brochure will list groups that have stated their support. If you know a group or organisation that is not listed below, and you would like to have it listed, please forward this message on to the leader(s), and request their response. All we ask is that the group agrees with the goal of the Australian Midwifery Campaign, and makes an effort to support the movement: TO ACHIEVE FOR ALL WOMEN THE RIGHT TO CHOOSE A MIDWIFE AS THEIR PRIMARY CAREGIVER DURING PREGNANCY AND BIRTH WITHIN THE HEALTH SYSTEM (PUBLIC AND PRIVATE) WHETHER IN THE COMMUNITY OR HOSPITAL Please take up the challenge to follow up on this if you can. Every group that has a commitment to women and families is welcome to add their support to this campaign. We need indigenous women's groups, breastfeeding groups, country groups, education groups ... (the font will get smaller
ABC Radio
Congratulations to all the midwives who spoke so clearly and passionately on the ABC's Morning Show in Sydney today. Sally Loane was intersted and reasonably well informed and it was a good airing of the issues. Fantastic! I gather there is someting in the Telegraph today, but I haven't seen that as yet... - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Doula service in western Sydney
Dear friends, I want to react on this too, because when I read the first message I also was a littlebit shocked because of the judgement in it. I stand for women to make there own choices and to be informed. That's why I choose to be an independent midwife after 20 years as hospital midwife. The situation here is that the minute I entre the hospital, I loose my fee and I am not allowed to work as a midwife. I constantly have to be aware not to step on the toe of the midwifes in the hospital or the doctors I have to work with. It's hard labour for me and there doesn't exist an epidural for that. There are a few hospitals I refuse to work with because of the hostility I feel. So it is not that I don't respect the choice of the women, I just take care of myself to, to survive. I have to handle with 5 hospitals in the neighbourhood and that's a littlebit to much for me. I have a little understanding with one hospital and I am working to upgrade that in the hope that I can get a bit of respect and hope for the futur. I don't have the energy to build on that with 5 hospitals. Dear Pauline, I used to make quick judgements too and so I hurt a lot of people , but I learned to look on the other side of the story. Warm greetings Lieve -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
What Now?
I think that most of us are a little relieved - the better the devil you know syndrome - as well people with mortgages are happy about where the interest rates currently are. People are relieved but are not game to say so. I am worried that the kind of conservative policies which were enacted when J Howard had a very slim majority were largely unfair and favoured the wealthy, then what are we in for now?!! -Original Message- From: Rhonda [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, 13 November 2001 22:56 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Colin Larkin Subject: Re: Election I think everyone is speachless..! Hmmm! - Original Message - From: Colin Larkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery@Acegraphics. Com. Au (E-mail) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2001 9:06 AM Subject: Election What about that election result? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: Re: Third stage
The longest I have waited for a placenta with no bleeding is 9 hours. It was 11pm so we all went to bed with instructions to wake me if any problems. When I described a manual removal the mother sat on the toilet and there it was. She was very tender in and around the vagina and feels that this is the reason for the delay. Leigh From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Third stage Date: 13/11/2001 5:32:14 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To really share is difficult at times but the same fear emerges for me re transfer age I think 1 hr is normal I think at 2 hrs if third stage del soon great but if I wait any longer the facility I transfer to will be punitive to my client. So off I go. I have trans fered once at 1.5 hrs and negotiated for spinal for manual , not happy jan and the placenta was picked out bit bt bit I truly believe it would not have come and I'm glad I didn't wait longer. A collegue braver than I waited 7 hrs and it still didn't happen of to hosp were they were not sweetness and light neither werethe parents once they teamed up with the doctors and heard about the danger they had been submitted to. In a nutshell if the woman is well NO TIME LIMIT BUT YOU HAVE TO FACE GREATER HOSTILITY THE LONGER YOU DELAY TRANSFER SORRY TO SAY. I GUESS IT'S GOOD TO ADMIT THAT MIDWIVES ALSO HAVE THEIR OWN NEEDSjan - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Third stage How long is the longest people have waited patiently for a placenta to arrive when there was no bleeding?? Sally Westbury This message was sent through MyMail http://www.mymail.com.au To really share is difficult at times but the same fear emerges for me re transfer age I think 1 hr is normal I think at 2 hrs if third stage del soon great but if I wait any longer the facility I transfer to will be punitive to my client.So offIgo. I have trans fered once at 1.5 hrs and negotiated for spinal for manual , not happy jan and the placenta was picked out bit bt bit I truly believe it would not have come and I'm gladI didn't wait longer. A collegue braver than I waited 7 hrs and it still didn't happen of to hosp were they were not sweetness and light neither werethe parents once they teamed up with the doctors and heard about the danger they had been submitted to. In a nutshell if the woman is well NO TIME LIMIT BUT YOU HAVE TO FACE GREATER HOSTILITY THE LONGER YOU DELAY TRANSFER SORRY TO SAY. I GUESS IT'S GOOD TO ADMIT THAT MIDWIVES ALSO HAVE THEIR OWN NEEDS jan - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: ozmidwifery Sent: Monday, November 12, 2001 7:42 PM Subject: Third stage How long is the longest people have waited patiently for a placenta to arrive when there was no bleeding?? Sally Westbury
