RE: Birthing Stool Policy

2001-12-03 Thread Johnston

A word of caution - nothing to do with birth stools (which I don't care 
much for), but the messages have been under this discussion.
Please be careful about identifying people and places on this list.  Even 
when a person's name is not mentioned, the reality is that if you give 
other information that points to an individual, it's as good as stating the 
name.  I have seen people very distressed by unintended outcomes of 
seemingly innocent statements.
Joy

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Re: looking for references on baby baths

2001-12-03 Thread TinaPettigrew

In a message dated 3/12/01 2:46:05 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 hi all,
 
 I've just started working here in the USA on a postpartum unit. Current 
 practice is not to do immersion baths on babies until their cord falls off, 
 just a sponge bath. Some of the staff here are looking to change the policy 
 and are searching for literature to support the practice of immersion bath 
 from birth. Can anyone help me out with references or studies.
 
 Thanks
 
 Kirsten Blacker
 Minnesota USA
  

Hi Kirsten,

try the Miriad Midwifery Research database at:
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/miru/miriad/keyword.htm

Miriad has an index of studies on its database by keyword and its quick and 
fast to get some great references.

Good luck,

Yours in birth,

Tina Pettigrew
Birthworks
Independent CBE and aspiring B.Mid Midwife.
Convenor, Aust B. Mid Student Collective.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BMidStudentCollective
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 As we trust the flowers to open to new life
   - So we can trust birth
Harriette Hartigan.
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NEJofMstudy on C/s

2001-12-03 Thread Denise Hynd



Dear Jackie and all
Sun 25/1//01
in the WA Sundaty Times Dr Wright espoused the 
safety of once a c/s always a C/s based on a study form Washington Seattle 
published in last month's New England Journal of Medicine!Is this the study 
we have discussed on this list?If so what is the web adress of the critique 
of it that was published on the list??Does anyone 
know??Denise


NZmidwives

2001-12-03 Thread Denise Hynd



Dear All
I can not raise the NZ College of midwives web 
siteDoes any one have a recent address??Denise 



Fw: Midwifery contacts

2001-12-03 Thread Denise Hynd


- Original Message -
From: Denise Hynd [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Jane Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:44 PM
Subject: Re: Midwifery contacts


 Dear Jane
 Congratulations on a well constructed clear and appealing site
 Denise
 - Original Message -
 From: Jane Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: 'Denise Hynd' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:19 AM
 Subject: RE: Midwifery contacts


  Dear Denise
 
  Thanks for the information. I have a draft site up and running at
  http://midwife.server101.com
  Let me know what you think. I'll have your information on the site
 shortly.
 
  Cheers
 
  Jane
 
  Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond
  Caring, Professional Midwifery Services
  Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au
 
 
 
  -Original Message-
  From: Denise Hynd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
  Sent: Sunday, 2 December 2001 9:24 PM
  To: Jane Palmer
  Subject: Re: Midwifery contacts
 
 
 
  Denise Hynd
  RN, RM, BApSc(NsgEd), IBCLC,
  MIDWIFE, Lactation Consultant.
 
  Offering research based information, personal support or care in
 pregnancy,
  childbirth, establishing breastfeeding  and/or early parenting.
 
  173 Wilding St
  Doubleview (Perth) WA 6018
  Phone (08) 9446 1917
  Mobile 041 793 2570
  Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Rebates are available from some health funds for my services.
  Other Lactation Consultant services available, phone for information or
a
  leaflet.
  Also contactable through the Midwifery and Natural Childbirth Centre
  336 Oxford St, Leederville (Perth) WA 6007.
  Phone (08) 9242-3330
 
  As a Midwife I offer;
  . Support, care or information regarding all pregnancy, childbirth and
 early
  parenting options,
  . Antenatal consultations including;
   - physical assessment,
   - discussion of family history, personal health and expectations
   - personal preparation for childbirth.
  . Access to relevant resources such as; books, journals, databases or
  videos,
  . Introductions to other community based support groups and services.
  . Provision of equipment for birth,
  . Continuous attendance during active labour and I am on call prior to
 and
  after birth, as necessary.
  . Information and support to establish breastfeeding,
  . Taking of blood for newborn screening,
  . 5-7 post natal consultations, depending on the needs of mother and
baby,
  . Provision of forms for birth registration and family allowances,
 
  If at any time transfer to hospital becomes necessary I will accompany
you
  and remain with you until you are comfortable with the situation and
care.
  Your doctor will provide the necessary medical care. When you are ready
to
  return home, I will care for you and your baby as necessary.
 
  As a Lactation Consultant I offer;
  . Research based information, support and practical options to establish
  and/or maintain optimal infant nutrition, including consideration of
 advice
  from family members, friends or other health professionals,
  . Practical antenatal education about the importance of and how to
  successfully breastfeed,
  . Personal, office or home based post-natal consultations including;
   - mother and baby assessments,
   - discussion of personal expectations, experiences and options,
  . Ongoing over-the-phone, office or home-based follow-up where
necessary,
  . Access to relevant resources such as; books, journals, databases or
  videos,
  . Introductions to other community based support groups or services,
  . Education presentations or updates on breastfeeding topics including;
   - The WHO Code on the Marketing of Infant Formula,
   - The Baby Friendly Hospital Initiative,
   - The Mother Friendly Workplace Initiative,
   - Kangaroo Care and Co-sleeping with babies,
   - Human Milk Banks.
 
   Cheers
  
   Jane
  
   Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond
   Caring, Professional Midwifery Services
   Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au
  
  
  
   -Original Message-
   From: Denise Hynd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
   Sent: Tuesday, 27 November 2001 9:18 PM
   To: Jane Palmer
   Subject: Re: Midwifery contacts
  
  
   Dear Jane
   Yes thank you
   Denise Hynd
   - Original Message -
   From: Jane Palmer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   To: 'Denise Hynd' [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 11:14 AM
   Subject: RE: Midwifery contacts
  
  
Dear Denise
   
I am going to add a link to the community midwifery site - but for
 those
midwives who are interested I am going to list them individually.
 Would
   you
like a listing?
   
Cheers
   
Jane
   
Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond
Caring, Professional Midwifery Services
Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au
   
   
   
-Original Message-
From: Denise Hynd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Saturday, 24 November 2001 11:21 AM
To: Jane Palmer
Cc: Mary Murphy; Lynda Tully; Lois Wattis; Laraine Hood; CMWA
Subject: Re: Midwifery contacts
   
   
Dear Jane
Most of the 

Re: NEJM study on C/s

2001-12-03 Thread Jackie Mawson
Title: Re: NEJM study on C/s



Sun 25/1//01
in the WA Sunday Times Dr Wright espoused the safety of once a c/s always a C/s based on a study form Washington Seattle published in last month's New England Journal of Medicine!
Is this the study we have discussed on this list?
If so what is the web address of the critique of it that was published on the list??
Does anyone know??

Upon searching the NEJM Online, I found this article  I think its the one referred to. It has a very long address, so I would advise you copy and paste it onto your internet browser:
Risk of Uterine Rupture during Labor among Women with a Prior Caesarean Delivery
Lydon-Rochelle M., Holt V. L., Easterling T. R., Martin D. P.
N Engl J Med 2001; 345:3-8, Jul 5, 2001.

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/full/345/1/3?maxtoshow=HITS=20hits=20RESULTFORMAT=titleabstract=Caesarean%2C+cesarean%2C+c%2Fsection%2C+VBAC%2C+searchid=1007425220516_15130stored_search=FIRSTINDEX=0sortspec=PUBDATE_SORTDATE+desc+Score+descfdate=1/1/1990tdate=11/30/2001journalcode=nejm

But you need to subscribe online to read the full text (which is the address above). I will paste the abstract below. Its address is:
http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/345/1/3?maxtoshow=HITS=20hits=20RESULTFORMAT=titleabstract=Caesarean%2C+cesarean%2C+c%2Fsection%2C+VBAC%2C+searchid=1007425220516_15130stored_search=FIRSTINDEX=0sortspec=PUBDATE_SORTDATE+desc+Score+descfdate=1/1/1990tdate=11/30/2001journalcode=nejm

Basically it supports the findings that induced labour in VBAC women is riskier than a repeat c/section with no labour. There are studies that refute this, and I always try to encourage natural, physiological labour for any VBAC women who contact me. But the decision has always got to remain with the mother. She just needs to know the increased risks involved with induction/augmentation. Most women who contact our group choose natural VBAC labour, but if you must choose between continuuing a pregnancy that your child is not coping with, induction (with a chance of delivering vaginally) or an elective c/section, then I think the decision becomes too personal to trivialise. Dont you?
BB Jackie Mawson.

Volume 345:3-8 July 5, 2001 Number 1

Risk of Uterine Rupture during Labor among Women with a Prior Caesarean Delivery
Mona Lydon-Rochelle, Ph.D., Victoria L. Holt, Ph.D., Thomas R. Easterling, M.D., and Diane P. Martin, Ph.D. 

Background Each year in the United States, approximately 60 percent of women with a prior caesarean delivery who become pregnant again attempt labor. Concern persists that a trial of labor may increase the risk of uterine rupture, an uncommon but serious obstetrical complication. 

Methods We conducted a population-based, retrospective cohort analysis using data from all primiparous women who gave birth to live singleton infants by caesarean section in civilian hospitals in Washington State from 1987 through 1996 and who delivered a second singleton child during the same period (a total of 20,095 women). We assessed the risk of uterine rupture for deliveries with spontaneous onset of labor, those with labor induced by prostaglandins, and those in which labor was induced by other means; these three groups of deliveries were compared with repeated caesarean delivery without labor. 

Results Uterine rupture occurred at a rate of 1.6 per 1000 among women with repeated caesarean delivery without labor (11 women), 5.2 per 1000 among women with spontaneous onset of labor (56 women), 7.7 per 1000 among women whose labor was induced without prostaglandins (15 women), and 24.5 per 1000 among women with prostaglandin-induced labor (9 women). As compared with the risk in women with repeated caesarean delivery without labor, uterine rupture was more likely among women with spontaneous onset of labor (relative risk, 3.3; 95 percent confidence interval, 1.8 to 6.0), induction of labor without prostaglandins (relative risk, 4.9; 95 percent confidence interval, 2.4 to 9.7), and induction with prostaglandins (relative risk, 15.6; 95 percent confidence interval, 8.1 to 30.0). 

Conclusions For women with one prior caesarean delivery, the risk of uterine rupture is higher among those whose labor is induced than among those with repeated caesarean delivery without labor. Labor induced with a prostaglandin confers the highest risk. 

Source Information

From the Centre for Women's Health Research, Department of Family and Child Nursing, School of Nursing (M.L.-R.), the Department of Epidemiology, School of Public Health and Community Medicine (V.L.H.), the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, School of Medicine (T.R.E.), and the Department of Health Services, School of Public Health and Community Medicine (M.L.-R., D.P.M.), University of Washington, Seattle. 

Address reprint requests to Dr. Lydon-Rochelle at the Centre for Women's Health Research, Mailstop 357262, University of Washington, Seattle, WA 98195-7262, or at [EMAIL PROTECTED].

RE: midwifery models

2001-12-03 Thread sally westbury


Hi there.

So much of what goes on in the hospitals do my head in! Thank god I've only
got 4 more weeks to go in the system before I return back to private
practise!!

I can't see any purpose in this practice of wee measuring but it does really
just reinforce the idea that birth is not a normal process. I have not seen
it done anywhere else that I have worked.

And while I'm thinking about crazy hospitals I would like to say much I
admire the midwives who work within the system for change. The constant
advocacy and sometimes conflict I could not endure on a daily basis (6
months has nearly driven me crazy) so my hat is off to you.

Midwives who work for change within the system are vital and your work is so
valuable. For each woman who receives support from one midwife who really
cares and struggles for best outcomes and works within a best practice model
change comes and a difference is made for that woman, for that midwife and
slowly (for it is surely that is the system) change is made.

Peace and Joy sisters.

Sally Westbury


-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd
Sent: Tuesday, 4 December 2001 6:29 PM
To: Sadie Geraghty
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: midwifery models


Dear All
Can you help Sadie out here
Thank you
Denise

Dear Sadie
I have passed your email onto the Ozmidwifery list
I would feel the same as you. I never encountered this in my training in the
UK but have in the past here in WA.
Needless to say at home we just make sure the woman has voided and and all
else is well before we go home after a birth.
Denise
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From: Sadie Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:22 PM
Subject: midwifery models



 Dear Denise,
 do you have any midwifery models/policies on passing urine after delivery?
 Where I am here in the UK, we have to get the women to measure and record
 their urine output for 24 hours after normal birth. It's doing my head in!
 Look forward to hearing from you,
 warm wishes,
 Sadie



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- Original Message -
From: Sadie Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2001 10:22 PM
Subject: midwifery models



 Dear Denise,
 do you have any midwifery models/policies on passing urine after delivery?
 Where I am here in the UK, we have to get the women to measure and record
 their urine output for 24 hours after normal birth. It's doing my head in!
 Look forward to hearing from you,
 warm wishes,
 Sadie



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