A word of caution - nothing to do with birth stools (which I don't care 
much for), but the messages have been under this discussion.
Please be careful about identifying people and places on this list.  Even 
when a person's name is not mentioned, the reality is that if you give 
other information that points to an individual, it's as good as stating the 
name.  I have seen people very distressed by unintended outcomes of 
seemingly innocent statements.
Joy

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