Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Endosring NMAP
Dear Deb - I'm sure I've done it already, but could you please confirm? Regards, Lois - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 4:39 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Endosring NMAP Oh and I forgot - when endorsing NMAP, could you please state whether you are endorsing as a consumer, midwife, GP, CBE (or whatever) ?ThanksDebbie SlaterPerth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Endosring NMAP
Lois I don't have you down, so could you just confirm by reply to this email that you have endorsed? Thanks Debbie
[ozmidwifery] Maternal Alienation Forum - Adelaide event plus other things (long)
Hi Everyone! Thought Adelaide people may be interestedin this event (at the end of the e-mail). There are so many issues and things of great interest to respond to on the list at the moment,so much to comment on... In a nutshell, Hi Ric and Maria Helena, great to have youwith us, people like you give meGREAT hope :-) if there's two like you, there mustbe moreand once we get the critical mass :-) Vicki, the poster is stunning. You and Nic are doing such magic work. Brings tears to my eyes, doesn't that baby's facejust say it all? :-) I want 50 and I'll put themup all over the place - I'll email you separately about that.For those of you who haven't seen it, Vicki and Nic's film (and that songyou wrote Vicki - it's so haunting, I find myself humming iteverywhere) is stunning too. I recommend it to anyone who cares about women and babies and wants a bit of inspiration :-) Re: insurance and Victoria...WHAT. Isn't it amazing that the govt aren't changing the rules to assist with ensuring women's choices are available, not to mention people's right to choose the sort of work environment they want to work in. To deregister Now that's worthy of more letter writing. Re: the woman who had a caesarian for breech when the baby was cephalic. I wonder if the position of the baby was checked on admission? I've noticed a bit of a trend towards no palpation, just "slap the CTG on and let technology do it's thing" happening.And of course, ultrasound isused so much instead of palpation by our medical colleagues. Palpation, like other body centered things becoming a bit of a lost art, have others noticed that trend? Did I read that the woman was NESB?I can't help but wonder about the consent, explanations, debriefing etc. It's such a tragedy, the whole thing. And then ultrasound, great to see the research catching up with concerns and observations.Isn't it interesting how perceptions and orientations influences the way one observes? The movement (of the fetus being exposed to ultrasound) being constructed as 'liking it"or "not liking it" depending on one's perspective. One of my big concerns has always been what does it do to oocytes? Given that females have the full complement of eggs from early gestation and given that the sound waves interrupt DNA, my paranoia is wondering what effect that will have several generations on. Fertility is decreasing as it is...so maybe it is a good form of population control? When you think of the symbolism inherent in the vaginal probe ultrasoundbecoming such a "toy of the boys" it's chilling. And then dating? Sigh, what happened to the Bell Curve? Love the parable Vicki. Where did you say the shop was? I'm tending the garden for the seeds :-) Roll on NMAP! in solidarity (I love that Justine!) Carolyn Hastie and now the message from Adelaide, I've taken off the flyer for the list, if you are interested, email me direct and I'll send it to you. My e-mail address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] CH -Original Message-From: Ahern, Liz (LSC) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 10:25 AMTo: Moore, Kay (LSC); Mertin, Peter (LSC)Cc: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'Subject: [sawomen] FW: message to be sent to all of community health Are you interested in exploring the impact of domestic violence and child sexual abuse on the relationship between mothers and their children? Do you want to hear about, and perhaps also explore how you can become involved in a project that will further develop ways of working with women and childrensubjected to violence? Then consider attending thisForum and Launch of the Maternal Alienation Project on 30 September. See the attached Flyer for details. For bookings or enquiries, ring Women's Health Statewide - 8239 9600 or email [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Anne Morris Senior Project Officer Women's Health Statewide www.whs.sa.gov.au 64 Pennington Terrace North Adelaide SA 5006
[ozmidwifery] NMAP Support
Fellow NMAP Supporters There was a very positive response from my local ALP branch when we discussed the NMAP this evening and it will be endorsed by the branch atour next meeting. The branch will also put it up as an agenda item at the next regional meeting of delegates. Sandra (Mareeba)
Re: [ozmidwifery] Bendigo midwife
Are there any Vic or NSW midwives able to attend a homebirth in Albury. Mother is 14weeks pregnant, with her third baby. Leisa [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: Andrea Quanchi [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]Cc: Helen Sandner [EMAIL PROTECTED]Date: Sunday, 8 September 2002 11:03Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Bendigo midwife Mary, I am in Echuca, one hour from bendigo but know Helen Sanderson is practicing in Bendigo. I don't know if she is on the list but I will cc this to herAndrea QuanchiOn Saturday, September 7, 2002, at 03:29 PM, Mary Murphy wrote: Is there a midwife practicing in homebirth in the Bendigo area? Is there a midwife /birth centre combination practice in Bendigo. If not, whats the other best option? thanks, Mary M
[ozmidwifery] Poster Prices
Title: Message Dear all... We still have about 1000 posters. When we can get it there (computer misbehaving) Andrea and Maternity Alliance will display the poster on their sites...As we dont want to spend our whole lives at the post office, we'd be happier if folk ordered 50 or more at a time and then distributed but under special circumstances we will... the cost goes up per poster as the number goes down because of packaging and postage...eg for a cylinder $1.55 and postage $3 for one poster! Ugh. Anyone who wants to order or ask questions, please email me personally... [EMAIL PROTECTED] 200 posters = $100.00 including PP 100 posters = $ 55.00 including PP 50 posters = $ 30.00 including PP 20 posters= $15.00 including PP 10posters= $10.00 including PP 1 poster = $ 5.00 including PP Although the hours we put in were astonishing, we are very happy to have created these posters for ''the cause'' ( blessings upon the family who donated their photo!) We'll be glad to see the postersoff to new homes gracing the walls of universities, birth suites, community noticeboards...and who knows where.We have been inspired by the process and have lots more ideas for projects (some that may even make a profit ...LOL) Stay tuned With Love and Hope Vicki and Nic
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Endosring NMAP
Sheena My email address is as above. No I didn't send an attachment - must check that, although my virus checker is up to date. When endorsing, can you also let me know whether you are endorsing as a consumer, midwife etc. Many thanks Debbie
Re: [ozmidwifery] Endosring NMAP
I hereby endorse NMAP Denise Hynd midwife - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 6:34 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Endosring NMAP Can I encourage people to endorse NMAP. Some of you may have been going to, but just haven't got round to doing it.Well, I'm coordinating the NMAP endorsements, and we will be finalising the list by the end of next week in time for the launch - although I'm sure will be updating the list after that.If any of you want to endorse it, just paste the following statement into an email, and email it to me, with your name and city/ town and state of residence. Couldn't be easier :-)"I hereby endorse the National Maternity Action Plan"[Name and address]Many thanksDebbie SlaterPerth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Endosring NMAP
I wish to endorse the NMAP. Please include my name on the register. Thank you Lois Wattis, Registered Midwife, IPM- ACMI - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 7:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Endosring NMAP LoisI don't have you down, so could you just confirm by reply to this email that you have endorsed?ThanksDebbie
Re: [ozmidwifery] Implanon Implant
I am assuming that Implanon is the trade name and is the same as or similar to Norplant in the USA. Does anyone have a website for pharmaceuticals that gives the generic name then the brand names from various countries? I was thrown yesterday for about 30 mins trying to remember "Norplant". I am surprised that it is being implanted in hospital. Wouldn't it be better to wait 6 - 8 weeks for the postpartum hormonal milleui to settle down naturally? What is your breastfeeding rate? I think mood swings etc. are known side effects and will be listed in the accompanying literature. In California and Washington I found Social Workers who worked with our teen mums really encouraged them to get onto either the hormonal implants or the injection of hormones (Depoprevera in the USA)because they really wanted to prevent more pregnancies, understandable, but it usually did 3 things: mood swings, weight gain and diminished milk supply. But the social workers didn't seem too worried about the milk as they seemed to want the girls not pregnant and back in the workforce asap, they werevery gung hofor breastfeeding at birth for colostrum and bonding but fine with weaning by 6 - 8 weeks. I believe that any of the hormonal birth control medications (pills, implants, injections) will have effect on moods especially on women prone to depression or mood swings and wouldn't that be most postpartum women? Lastly, shouldn't it be the woman's choice not hospital policy? marilyn - Original Message - From: Trish David To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 3:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Implanon Implant Yes, my sister had terrible mood swings and got really angry at her nearly three year old son and her 20 month old daughter. She was depressed and upset all the time, and has been much better since it was removed. She now has one of the new generation IUDs and is feeling much more secure and happy. Though two under three is a handful. Trish Claudia van Duyn wrote: Has anyone come across clients with negative side effects from the use of the Implanon Implant? In one of my job sites we use Implanon on most of our ward population following birth, it is seen as a wonder contraceptive. In the other job site the local GP has just informed me that quite a few of his patients have requested the removal of the implant. Un-desirable effects such as weight gain, mood swings etc are quoted.NBS; What are your opinions/experiences of Implanon? Both the GP and I are interested in your opinions. Claudia Yahoo! Messenger for SMS - Now send receive IMs on your mobile via SMS
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria
I'd really like to know what is officially going on. Does anybody really know? And if it is true that the Vic Nurse's Board can deregister a midwife attending a homebirth in Victoria without PI insurance, who gives them this right? Jayne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria Sally the vic borad of nursing has never publically suggested in any shape or form that independant mws have a problem when and if they do we can act Is this niave? Where does your information come from ? jan - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria Im astounded by the silence on this issue -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sally WestburySent: Monday, 9 September 2002 2:44 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria Tina, or anyone else who know, Im curious to know how (or if) the insurance issues for the Midwifery students has been resolved. I would also urge people to be careful about naming any midwife in Victoria who may be attending homebirths. It is my understanding that the Nurses Board of Victoria will deregister anyone who attends a homebirth with out the professional indemnity insurance that we cannot get, if they are informed of it. This information could come from any person. Say someone who doesnt like homebirths reads in the newspaper or on ozmidwifery that a midwife has been publically thanked for her help, they ring the board and tell them.. the board can deregister them. Sound like a witch hunt to me. Im glad Im not there but am really worried who will be next. What action is happening in Victoria to discuss this with the Board at present? What help do you need in Victoria? Sally Westbury
RE: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound
Hi Team and Hi Tina The American Food Drug Administration issued warnings about ultrasound over nearly 12 years ago. They were extremely concerned about the affect on the fetus, especially the middle ear and the ovum laid down in the female fetus in the last trimester. They said we would probably not see the subtle effects until one or two generations later. Leanne can you refer me to the article, so I can place it into Hot Topics on my website. Thanks Robyn www.melbmidwifery.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of leanne wynne Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound Hi Tina, The article was in Popular Science Vol. 260 No.3. It was just a short news story describing the research of Mostafa Fatemi of the Mayo clinic in Minnesota. It said in part: Fatemi wondered why ... fetuses always seem to move and stretch while their (ultrasound) picture is taken. He found out by placing a tiny hydrophone inside a woman's uterus during the procedure. The device registered up to nearly 100 decibels - as loud as a subway train. While we can't hear it, a fetus can, says Fatemi, becuase a 'fetus's ears are filled with fluid, which is a better conductor of ultrasound waves than air.' There's currently no evedence showing that such noise is harmful, but Fatemi says clinicians may want to aim their ultrsound proves more carefully... If I can find the time I will see if I can find some more information about Fatemi's research on the web. Leanne. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:00:16 EDT In a message dated 11/09/02 9:21:51 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear All, I just wanted to add a note to your comment about the effect of ultrasounds on a baby's hearing. Recently my husband pointed-out to me an article about ultrasound that he came across in a Science journal. (he is a physics teacher) The article was speaking about some research designed to discover why babies move so much during an ultrasound scan. They found that to the baby the ultrasound waves are the volume of a locomotive train!! Is it any wonder babies try to get away from it? I will ask him for the name of the journal so I can post it on Ozmidwifery for everyone. Leanne, Midwife, Mildura Aboriginal Health Service. Yes Please LeanneI for one would be very interested!! Yours in midwifery Tina Pettigrew. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] NCAD
I'm so glad you had such a good day. Rosie's scholarship presentation went on for a long time, then lunch and Rosie guided us through the Urrbrae farm, marsupial enclosure, wombat tunnel (!), etc. It was a great day for us too. Love, Aviva - Original Message - From: Carolyn Donaghey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] NCAD Thanks TaniaIt was great to see you there, and thank you for all the wonderful work you do supporting women.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Endosring NMAP
I endorse NMAP Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood Classes 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T(02) 9544 6441 F(02) 9544 9257 M. 0410 265530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 12 September 2002 9:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fwd: Endosring NMAP Lois I don't have you down, so could you just confirm by reply to this email that you have endorsed? Thanks Debbie
RE: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound
Hi Robyn, The original article came from Popular Science Vol.260 No. 3. But if you go to the Mayo Clinic web-site www.mayo.edu/ultrasound/news you will find a much more comprehensive article describing the research. It makes very interesting reading. All the best, Leanne. From: Robyn Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound Date: Fri, 13 Sep 2002 08:59:43 +1000 Hi Team and Hi Tina The American Food Drug Administration issued warnings about ultrasound over nearly 12 years ago. They were extremely concerned about the affect on the fetus, especially the middle ear and the ovum laid down in the female fetus in the last trimester. They said we would probably not see the subtle effects until one or two generations later. Leanne can you refer me to the article, so I can place it into Hot Topics on my website. Thanks Robyn www.melbmidwifery.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of leanne wynne Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 9:33 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound Hi Tina, The article was in Popular Science Vol. 260 No.3. It was just a short news story describing the research of Mostafa Fatemi of the Mayo clinic in Minnesota. It said in part: Fatemi wondered why ... fetuses always seem to move and stretch while their (ultrasound) picture is taken. He found out by placing a tiny hydrophone inside a woman's uterus during the procedure. The device registered up to nearly 100 decibels - as loud as a subway train. While we can't hear it, a fetus can, says Fatemi, becuase a 'fetus's ears are filled with fluid, which is a better conductor of ultrasound waves than air.' There's currently no evedence showing that such noise is harmful, but Fatemi says clinicians may want to aim their ultrsound proves more carefully... If I can find the time I will see if I can find some more information about Fatemi's research on the web. Leanne. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] vaginal ultrasound Date: Wed, 11 Sep 2002 11:00:16 EDT In a message dated 11/09/02 9:21:51 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear All, I just wanted to add a note to your comment about the effect of ultrasounds on a baby's hearing. Recently my husband pointed-out to me an article about ultrasound that he came across in a Science journal. (he is a physics teacher) The article was speaking about some research designed to discover why babies move so much during an ultrasound scan. They found that to the baby the ultrasound waves are the volume of a locomotive train!! Is it any wonder babies try to get away from it? I will ask him for the name of the journal so I can post it on Ozmidwifery for everyone. Leanne, Midwife, Mildura Aboriginal Health Service. Yes Please LeanneI for one would be very interested!! Yours in midwifery Tina Pettigrew. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
FW: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria
They gave themselves this right by adding a clause last year. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jayne Sent: Friday, 13 September 2002 5:20 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria I'd really like to know what is officially going on. Does anybody really know? And if it is true that the Vic Nurse's Board can deregister a midwife attending a homebirth in Victoria without PI insurance, who gives them this right? Jayne - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria Sally the vic borad of nursing has never publically suggested in any shape or form that independant mws have a problem when and if they do we can act Is this niave? Where does your information come from ? jan - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 10:03 AM Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria Im astounded by the silence on this issue -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Sally Westbury Sent: Monday, 9 September 2002 2:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery in Victoria Tina, or anyone else who know, Im curious to know how (or if) the insurance issues for the Midwifery students has been resolved. I would also urge people to be careful about naming any midwife in Victoria who may be attending homebirths. It is my understanding that the Nurses Board of Victoria will deregister anyone who attends a homebirth with out the professional indemnity insurance that we cannot get, if they are informed of it. This information could come from any person. Say someone who doesnt like homebirths reads in the newspaper or on ozmidwifery that a midwife has been publically thanked for her help, they ring the board and tell them.. the board can deregister them. Sound like a witch hunt to me. Im glad Im not there but am really worried who will be next. What action is happening in Victoria to discuss this with the Board at present? What help do you need in Victoria? Sally Westbury
Re: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Great poster; shame about the US spelling of CAESAREAN! Laurelle At 23:12 10/09/02 -0700, you wrote: Dear All Nic Edmondstone and I have developed a poster which supports the right of every woman to choose a midwife as her lead maternity carer...If you wish to see it, email me direct and I'll send it as an attachment. They are selling at cost price (printing and posting that is) to promote midwifery care, particularly important now in the lead up to NMAP. Maternity Coalition will be distributing some in each state...there are plenty more available by emailing me. Yours for Better Birth, Vicki There are only two ways to live your life. One is as though nothing is a miracle. The other is as though everything is a miracle. Einstein. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] ultrasound
Are mothers generally given this info re ultrasounds?? Would they consider it if they were offered it? OR has ultrasound become such a "normal" part of pregnancy care - like 3d pictures and videos now touted around even by proud grandparents -yes my neighbour was ecstatic to see her prospective grandchild on video!! With my 4th baby (1983) I had ultrasound late in preg to check position of a low lying placenta. the technicians were taking much longer than I thought was necessary and my baby was becoming irritable (She must have heard the train coming!!). When I asked why they were taking so long -I was told they were doing pelvic measurements as I seemed to have a large baby and small pelvis. I asked if they had detemined the placenta position (which they had) then sat up and said I am leaving. My baby is distressed (mother instinct/ attunement - she certainly wasnt "enjoying the interaction" - interaction was what she enjoyed when her siblings talked to her gently through my belly). The technicians were quite stunned and disbelieving as they threw around "reassurances"(to themselves?) -' but we need to check this,you might need a caesarean' - I said, 'read my history -I have birthed three babies larger than 4000 grams -"I will not be flat on my back then and my birth hormones will help my pelvis make room for my baby." My concern with this sound thing is the number of children (one of mine included) who have hidden disbilities such as auditory processing difficulties -although my child hears well one on one with no background noise, he is unable to discern speech when there are background noises -ie in aclassroom / when there is an airconditioner going.If anything, he has supersensitivity to noise - a computer switched on (not being used, simply the buzzing) in the family room can not be blocked out as he goes to sleep in his bedroom and therefore irritates him significantly. (?? damage to delicate nerves by ultrasound during pregnancy!!??) This of course (along with a light sensitivity that affects visual perception - he now wears coloured glasses), makes learning very difficult, exhausting,and frustrating,even though he is a bright little boy. And, because he looks completely normal, plays well, behaves ok (mostly!!)etc etc , he has had to bear all the usual trauma of a learning disabled child labelled as "not striving" / could do better/ must stay in to finish worketc etc. In This pregnancy I had a vaginal ultrasound - once again to determine placenta position for bleeding. I am not into beating up on myself after the event -self flagellation comes with the stretch marks!! butthis does raise questions for me -maybe we won't see obvious damage for a generation or so, or perhaps we are actually seeing this now. Subtlehandicaps are often more difficult to help or diagnoseand perhaps they ARE presenting in this generation of kids - look at the increase of ADHD -although this, like other "hidden handicaps" is oftenattributed to "bad mothering" (dont get me started on the damage caused by "behaviour management"), it is very real for the parents and children living with it. Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com
RE: [ozmidwifery] Poster...for better birth!
Hi Vicki, I would also like a poster for my research. Please send it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you so much Take care Alphia -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
I know! My first baby was "gently lifted out" - (at 27wks) - I have the scar to prove it! 2lb baby - hip to hip scar. Akk!!! Exactly. My full term baby was not so fortunate. Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thursday, September 12, 2002 15:52:15 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech "gently lifted out"? She obviously didn't see the actual birth of her baby... most often the head has to be wrenched out of the pelvis, usually with forceps, then squeezed out through the skin, pushed from the top. To be gently lifted out, it would have to be a 40cm vertical cut into the uterus... Ack! Jo IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] great birth
Hi Lois, I am in Mackay. Unfortunately most breech babiesare born by CS because of the fear of litigation and the Term Breech trial. Some of the women are offered a trial of vaginal birth but are too frightened by what they hear that many choose CS. The breech baby she supervised was born to a primip whose mother had a rapid vaginal breech birth for her first baby and who had a belief that she would. She was to have a trial of vaginal birth (hate that trial of ... expression) and laboured as fast as did her Mum. One hour first stage, was almost ready to push on arrival. Ob (registrar at that time) walked in as the breech was emerging beautifully and she just stood there, smiling. When it was obvious she was not going to take over I started to enjoy the experience. I really did not have to do anything, nature did it and I just stood there catching. It was great. Have only done one more breech since then and that was not such a good story. Cheers Judy From: "Lois Wattis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] great birth Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2002 18:02:37 +0800 Thanks for sharing this good news story, Judy. It has warmed my heart and encouraged my spirit. Where do you practise? Am I to assume your unit "permits" vaginal breech births from your comment "she supervised my first breech birth"? How enlightened, and how inspiring. Congratulations! Lois - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 12, 2002 5:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] great birth Heard a great story today. Was in Birth Suite last week and took the booking for an ECV for Sunday from one of the private obs doing some public work. She booked it for Sunday as she wanted to do it herself. This obs is in her second year out and spent the last year of her ob training as a registrar with us and was not too bad (she supervised my first breech birth). The baby did not turn so the woman went home and the CS was booked (fear of litigation because of the results of the Term Breech Trial). The woman was a G2 P1 who had had a rapid, non interventionist birth with her first baby. Well, just with Bowen thereapy anyway. Woman went home, labour started, she stayed at home as long as she could and arrived pushing, then completed what I believe was a beautiful standing breech birth. The ob was really pleased that the scenario was taken out of her hands and the result was all one could wish for. Cheers Judy -- MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech
Title: Message When you look around at the general community, a lot of people have a little scar near the outer edge of their eyebrow - now I know some of these will be due to accidents in later life, but very often they're from forceps births. I've actually quite often confirmed this with people that I know either in a private or professional capacity. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Karen Arthur To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 13 September 2002 7:23 Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] c/s for breech Yeah, a friend of mine had a planned c/s this week and they used forceps which scratched the baby's forehead. They were told that no scarring would occur (being newborn skin) but I personally know a guy who's 30 with a big forceps scar on his temple! Caesareans. Gentle births? I don't think so. Karen
Re: [ozmidwifery] ultrasoound research
In a message dated 12/09/02 10:45:20 AM AUS Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Dear Tina, If you go to the Mayo Clinic web-site you will find a more complete description of this interesting research. It is: www.mayo.edu/ultrasound/news/ Regards, Leanne. Hi Leanne...thank you for your help with this...US is my hobbie horseso I will be having a good look at this.. Cheers Tina
