Re: [ozmidwifery] Rasberryleaf
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rasberryleaf Thanks Jan. This gives me somewhere to start. Regards Clare - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 9:55 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rasberryleaf On 9/10/02 3:35 PM, "Clare Lane" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear List,Client asked about rasberryleaf and long term renal damage said she read that a study at the Women's Hospital in Melbourne had found this. Does anyone have any knowledge of this article or heard that raspberry leaf causes renal damage.RegardsClare Lane MidwifeDear ClareTry contacting Myra Parsons [EMAIL PROTECTED] as she has done lots of research on Raspberry Leaf in pregnancy. Had articles published in international journals and given lots of papers on it here.CheersJan
Re: [ozmidwifery] Smelling babies
I don't think so Mary - to me, the smell is even stronger when women are in the water. - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:19 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Smelling babies I'm afraid that I have never consciously smelt a baby coming. I wonder if all the water births we do interfere with that? MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] War Zone Show at Nexus Cabaret
He He He :-) - Original Message - From: Aviva Sheb'a To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:07 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] War Zone Show at Nexus Cabaret Far away? Last time I had an American Viet Vet turn up! He was living in Brisbane. love and grins, Aviva - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 6:56 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] War Zone Show at Nexus Cabaret And I'm a little too far away to come, but I would if I were there!
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
Andrea told me a couple of years ago that Beatrix Smulders can too. It took me a long time to tell anyone for fear they would think I was...well, you know! One of the obs I work with says he thinks he can nearly smell it too - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth Hi Lynne, You absolutely startled me. I thought I was the only one!! I smell babies and know they are coming in a very similar time frame. It is an astonishing experience and a gift. Love Sally -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 5:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth For those births I have been there for, it was what the mother wished - I still ask them about what they want to do for the labour and the birth, their wishes for the baby. the placenta and afterwards. I have worked with some strong women giving birth to stillborn babes, and their partners too. I find it incredible how the women do what they need to do for their babe to be born, when they know that their babe is not going to open its eyes, take a breath, stretch and explore its space, once born, nuzzle at the breast. For those of you who know me, I talk about smelling the baby about 20-40 minutes before it can be seen and if I don't smell anything, the baby isn't coming out without some help - can't explain it - it just happens (and it's not liquor, blood, vaginal mucus). The last birth I was at where we knew the babe had been dead for a few days prior to the birth, I could still smell him, and it surprised me - I don't know what I was expecting in this case, but I was crouched next to the woman on the floor and that beautiful (but beyond description) smell came to me and I knew he would be there soon. I told the mother and father - she was scared to give birth to him - I think we have all seen women hugging their baby inside them, knowing that while they are inside still, no-one can get to the babe and it is still theirs, and maybe, just maybe, it will be alive..and when I told her I could smell the baby, she nodded and quietly said to me OK, my son - it's time for me to meet you - Original Message - From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:22 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth Thankyou Jan, I appreciate how busy you are. It sounds like an experience you will have with you forever. Lotus birth is a beautiful gift for a baby born still. We cut the cord on our third baby after a few hours and the arteries and vein were visibly sticking out the end, also amazing to see. If people can bare with me on the morbid stuff, I would like to know what the standard practice(hospital care)would be for a known still baby, in regards to the placenta? thanks again Megan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jan Robinson Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 5:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Shivam Rachana Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth On 1/10/02 10:34 AM, Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan wrote Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water around lunch time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his placenta was born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was Stella's) Jan, can you please explain to me if Lotus birth is any different in the case of a stillbirth baby, time it takes etc? Is the palcenta kept with the baby forever? Sorry if this is a bit upfront but I am genuinely interested. thankyou Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Hello Megan I seem to be ages getting to respond to this - but for your information, Stella's placenta stayed with her in the little placenta bag her grand mother had made for it. The placenta was kept clean, wrappings changed daily. It was salted on day two and we put a few drops of lavender oil on the outside of the bag on day four. We kept Stella's skin beautiful with calendula cream that stopped it drying out. Stella was cremated in her best clothes and her placenta in it's little bag lying beside her and still connected. Her ashes are complete in a special sealed container with her photograph on the outside. With Alehandre (AJ) the placenta was floated in a plastic culender and allowed to drip dryfor an hour or two. After that, Scott and I removed any blood clots from the maternal surface and the placenta was wrapped in white chux towels that were changed frequently during the first 24 hours. By that time the placenta had shrunk
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
I cant smell, but I do have a brilliant sense of intuition for the same issues. Could this maybe be related in some way? Is this ( smelling) a learn-ed response to our heightened abilities to forsee the immediate future ? In a similar vein, I can ' tell' without laying a finger on a women whether she is going to make it through her labour without c/s or excessive intervention. I can also 'tell' how dilated a woman is without touching her. Sometimes I think this is more of a spiritual awareness of the whole process than simply years of experience. Or maybe i'm just full-of-it and just guess lucky. I'm so intrigued. Robin - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:29 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth Andrea told me a couple of years ago that Beatrix Smulders can too. It took me a long time to tell anyone for fear they would think I was...well, you know! One of the obs I work with says he thinks he can nearly smell it too - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 10:42 AM Subject: FW: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth Hi Lynne, You absolutely startled me. I thought I was the only one!! I smell babies and know they are coming in a very similar time frame. It is an astonishing experience and a gift. Love Sally -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 5:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth For those births I have been there for, it was what the mother wished - I still ask them about what they want to do for the labour and the birth, their wishes for the baby. the placenta and afterwards. I have worked with some strong women giving birth to stillborn babes, and their partners too. I find it incredible how the women do what they need to do for their babe to be born, when they know that their babe is not going to open its eyes, take a breath, stretch and explore its space, once born, nuzzle at the breast. For those of you who know me, I talk about smelling the baby about 20-40 minutes before it can be seen and if I don't smell anything, the baby isn't coming out without some help - can't explain it - it just happens (and it's not liquor, blood, vaginal mucus). The last birth I was at where we knew the babe had been dead for a few days prior to the birth, I could still smell him, and it surprised me - I don't know what I was expecting in this case, but I was crouched next to the woman on the floor and that beautiful (but beyond description) smell came to me and I knew he would be there soon. I told the mother and father - she was scared to give birth to him - I think we have all seen women hugging their baby inside them, knowing that while they are inside still, no-one can get to the babe and it is still theirs, and maybe, just maybe, it will be alive..and when I told her I could smell the baby, she nodded and quietly said to me OK, my son - it's time for me to meet you - Original Message - From: Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:22 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth Thankyou Jan, I appreciate how busy you are. It sounds like an experience you will have with you forever. Lotus birth is a beautiful gift for a baby born still. We cut the cord on our third baby after a few hours and the arteries and vein were visibly sticking out the end, also amazing to see. If people can bare with me on the morbid stuff, I would like to know what the standard practice(hospital care)would be for a known still baby, in regards to the placenta? thanks again Megan. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Jan Robinson Sent: Tuesday, 8 October 2002 5:30 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Shivam Rachana Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth On 1/10/02 10:34 AM, Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan wrote Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water around lunch time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his placenta was born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was Stella's) Jan, can you please explain to me if Lotus birth is any different in the case of a stillbirth baby, time it takes etc? Is the palcenta kept with the baby forever? Sorry if this is a bit upfront but I am genuinely interested. thankyou Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Hello Megan I seem to be ages getting to respond to this - but
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?
Where are you? - Original Message - From: paul dunwell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture? Greetings to everyone on the list. I'm new to the list. I'm expecting my third child due in March. I've had 2 c-sections previously and was automatically told that consequtive pregnancies will be c-sections. I am not comfortable with this and have started searching for midwives who will attend homebirths. Until recently, I suppressed the past experiences and am now endeavouring to gather my hospital notes to ascertain the reasons forthe previous c-sections. In the meantime, I'm ringing around to arrange "interviewing" potential attendants. Thus far, I was able to contact two out of my list and both suggest getting an ultrasound and having an ob/gyn advise on the percentage risk of uterine rupture. I was under the impression, like pelvimetry, this kind of test is inconclusive as well. Can anyone tell me if this test is standard or even required in order to proceed with interviewing for homebirth midwives? I'm prepared for the possiblity of a c-section; however I am cynical about getting a test done if it is in aidof condoning another c-section in the environment of insurance crisis. I am not sure the "right questions" to ask and do hope I am not offending anyone on the list by my concerns. Your advise would be greatly appreciated as a pursue my birthing options. Kind regards, Becky
RE: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey
Hi Christine I read about the UK survey in the Sun Herald last Sunday - they also quoted the UK OB Dr. Fisk - he said that OZ C/s rates have increased because we are a risk intolerant society. The reporter also quoted Germaine Greer as saying we have lost the war for natural births. The article was examining stats claiming that birth centre bookings were down - the public have lost interest in natural birth etc etc. There was no mention of the facts of the Fed Govt pushing consumers into priv health ins and then the high rates of med int in priv hosp. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story - eh! Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Walker, Chris (NHS) Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey Hi all Did anyone else from SA hear on AM 89.1 at 9am this morning a wonderful segment on childbirth? It was apparently stimulated by a recent survey in the UK that stated that most women find childbirth a terrifying experience, the pain being worse than they aniticipated and 6 out of 10 said that antenatal classes did not prepare them for the reality, in any way! Debbie Jeffs from the Womens and Childrens hospital and Vanessa Scriven from South Coast Yoga both did a fantastic job of responding to this survey and to callers. Well done! The message about continuity of care, midwife care, and women being in charge is getting out there I hope its reaching its target! The only listener I heard (because I was travelling reached my destination unfortunalety!) was very down to earth - birthed some years ago with both babies having a cleft lip/palate and said she didn't go into hospital early so that she could avoid the enemas and shaves and be in charge! And said that she was glad that she isn't birthing now because she wouldn't like to have to cope with monitors etc. If anyone out there knows where to access the survey results - any ideas at all would be great. Christine Walker Community Health Nurse DHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] (08) 83258100 This email may contain confidential information, which also may be legally privileged. Only the intended recipient(s) may access, use, distribute or copy this email. If this email is received in error, please inform the sender by return email and delete the original. If there are doubts about the validity of this message, please contact the sender by telephone. It is the recipient's responsibility to check the email and any attached files for viruses. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?
Hi Becky No tests are conclusive. Each makes a total picture like a jigsaw. The real test will be to say no and not accept to much medical input. There are a few really good books with statistics about Natural Birth after Caesarean Section. Contact Acegraphics.com.au for the current authors and be guided by your instincts in the main. You would be better to labour and birth at home away from the fear of intervention and have a backup booking at a hospital of your choice and try to find a cooperative obstetrician of a GP with obs/gyn to be availabe if you decide you need medical opininion or assistance. Keep interviewing you will find the right people to empower you. There is a lot of information on the net under the title VBAC - Vaginal Birth After Caesarean Section. Hope this is helpful regards, Robyn www.melbmidwifery.com.au -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of paul dunwellSent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:37 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?Importance: High Greetings to everyone on the list. I'm new to the list. I'm expecting my third child due in March. I've had 2 c-sections previously and was automatically told that consequtive pregnancies will be c-sections. I am not comfortable with this and have started searching for midwives who will attend homebirths. Until recently, I suppressed the past experiences and am now endeavouring to gather my hospital notes to ascertain the reasons forthe previous c-sections. In the meantime, I'm ringing around to arrange "interviewing" potential attendants. Thus far, I was able to contact two out of my list and both suggest getting an ultrasound and having an ob/gyn advise on the percentage risk of uterine rupture. I was under the impression, like pelvimetry, this kind of test is inconclusive as well. Can anyone tell me if this test is standard or even required in order to proceed with interviewing for homebirth midwives? I'm prepared for the possiblity of a c-section; however I am cynical about getting a test done if it is in aidof condoning another c-section in the environment of insurance crisis. I am not sure the "right questions" to ask and do hope I am not offending anyone on the list by my concerns. Your advise would be greatly appreciated as a pursue my birthing options. Kind regards, Becky
RE: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this!
Should send this response to the Federal and State Ministers for Health also. Robyn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Julie Clarke Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:23 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this! Dear all In response to how awful is this ... I'd like to add ... How different it is in NZ ... Recently at a c/ed conference in Qld A consumer advocate from NZ told me that the NZ Prime Minister had made it legislation that a woman who elects to have a c/s for no medical reason has to pay the cost herself - it's not covered by their health system ! I think that would make a considerable difference in OZ if we adopted the same stance here. Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 9:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this! From a purely corporate persepctive, (since my midwifery self is weary from the meeting (NMAP) we had with some pollies in Bris who didn't seem to think there was an issue, let alone a problem with a high caesar rate in private units, and a public rate seeming to follow in the private sectors footsteps) I wonder if the health funds are aware of this? May influence the contract they have with this particular hospital if they knew about it! - Original Message - From: Joy Cocks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:06 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this! Yesterday my daughter learned (through ABA) of someone who, at 6/40, booked into a private hospital. On the questionaire were do you want an elective C/S? and if so, when would you like it? !!! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey
In a message dated 10/10/02 6:04:34 PM W. Australia Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I read about the UK survey in the Sun Herald last Sunday - they also quoted the UK OB Dr. Fisk - he said that OZ C/s rates have increased because we are a risk intolerant society. Good ol' Nick Fisk. I remember approaching him once at a conference to ask him a question. I could see him reading my name badge, and when he saw I was with the NCT he actually blanched :-) However, I treated him very gently :-) For those who don't know, he is on record as being very pro-CS. Debbie Slater Perth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this!
Wow - that WOULD really make a difference! I also liked the comment about the health funds' position regarding the rising elective CS rate. Surely they're able to move the goal posts regarding refunds AND it would be in their financial interest to do so not to mention the wellbeing of their customers. Food for thought. Lois - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:23 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this! Dear all In response to how awful is this ... I'd like to add ... How different it is in NZ ... Recently at a c/ed conference in Qld A consumer advocate from NZ told me that the NZ Prime Minister had made it legislation that a woman who elects to have a c/s for no medical reason has to pay the cost herself - it's not covered by their health system ! I think that would make a considerable difference in OZ if we adopted the same stance here. Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Lynne Staff Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 9:06 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this! From a purely corporate persepctive, (since my midwifery self is weary from the meeting (NMAP) we had with some pollies in Bris who didn't seem to think there was an issue, let alone a problem with a high caesar rate in private units, and a public rate seeming to follow in the private sectors footsteps) I wonder if the health funds are aware of this? May influence the contract they have with this particular hospital if they knew about it! - Original Message - From: Joy Cocks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:06 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this! Yesterday my daughter learned (through ABA) of someone who, at 6/40, booked into a private hospital. On the questionaire were do you want an elective C/S? and if so, when would you like it? !!! Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?
Hello Becky - have you accessed the Birthrites Website? They also have an excellent little book full of evidence based information for women who have had a CS. I'd suggest you contact Jackie Mawson on www.birthrites.org Good luck! Lois Wattis IPM, WA - Original Message - . From: paul dunwell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 1:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture? Greetings to everyone on the list. I'm new to the list. I'm expecting my third child due in March. I've had 2 c-sections previously and was automatically told that consequtive pregnancies will be c-sections. I am not comfortable with this and have started searching for midwives who will attend homebirths. Until recently, I suppressed the past experiences and am now endeavouring to gather my hospital notes to ascertain the reasons forthe previous c-sections. In the meantime, I'm ringing around to arrange "interviewing" potential attendants. Thus far, I was able to contact two out of my list and both suggest getting an ultrasound and having an ob/gyn advise on the percentage risk of uterine rupture. I was under the impression, like pelvimetry, this kind of test is inconclusive as well. Can anyone tell me if this test is standard or even required in order to proceed with interviewing for homebirth midwives? I'm prepared for the possiblity of a c-section; however I am cynical about getting a test done if it is in aidof condoning another c-section in the environment of insurance crisis. I am not sure the "right questions" to ask and do hope I am not offending anyone on the list by my concerns. Your advise would be greatly appreciated as a pursue my birthing options. Kind regards, Becky
RE: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?
You could contact Birthrites a information source and suport group for women planning for a VBAC Contact person is Jackie ph 08 9418 8949. They have fantastic resources and may be able help with local contacts. In peace and joy Sally Westbury
Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey
The bbc web site had a huge piece on the survey..if you go to the bbc home page and then go to news/health you should find it Mel - Original Message - From: Walker, Chris (NHS) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 11:34 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey Hi all Did anyone else from SA hear on AM 89.1 at 9am this morning a wonderful segment on childbirth? It was apparently stimulated by a recent survey in the UK that stated that most women find childbirth a terrifying experience, the pain being worse than they aniticipated and 6 out of 10 said that antenatal classes did not prepare them for the reality, in any way! Debbie Jeffs from the Womens and Childrens hospital and Vanessa Scriven from South Coast Yoga both did a fantastic job of responding to this survey and to callers. Well done! The message about continuity of care, midwife care, and women being in charge is getting out there I hope its reaching its target! The only listener I heard (because I was travelling reached my destination unfortunalety!) was very down to earth - birthed some years ago with both babies having a cleft lip/palate and said she didn't go into hospital early so that she could avoid the enemas and shaves and be in charge! And said that she was glad that she isn't birthing now because she wouldn't like to have to cope with monitors etc. If anyone out there knows where to access the survey results - any ideas at all would be great. Christine Walker Community Health Nurse DHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] (08) 83258100 This email may contain confidential information, which also may be legally privileged. Only the intended recipient(s) may access, use, distribute or copy this email. If this email is received in error, please inform the sender by return email and delete the original. If there are doubts about the validity of this message, please contact the sender by telephone. It is the recipient's responsibility to check the email and any attached files for viruses. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Smelling babies
I think for me having my own babies heightened my sense of smell - it's much keener now than it used to be - funny how you never stop smelling your children! (Even though they're pretty off sometimes!!!) - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:52 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Smelling babies Looks like I'll just have to pay more attention to my olfactory organ. MM I don't think so Mary - to me, the smell is even stronger when women are in the water. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey
Now why does that not surprise me? - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:35 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey In a message dated 10/10/02 6:04:34 PM W. Australia Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I read about the UK survey in the Sun Herald last Sunday - they alsoquoted the UK OB Dr. Fisk - he said that OZ C/s rates have increasedbecause we are a risk intolerant society.Good ol' Nick Fisk. I remember approaching him once at a conference to ask him a question. I could see him reading my name badge, and when he saw I was with the NCT he actually blanched :-) However, I treated him very gently :-) For those who don't know, he is on record as being very pro-CS.Debbie SlaterPerth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey
HE can talk Now, what was that quote he became notorious for.. - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:01 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey Hi Christine I read about the UK survey in the Sun Herald last Sunday - they also quoted the UK OB Dr. Fisk - he said that OZ C/s rates have increased because we are a risk intolerant society. The reporter also quoted Germaine Greer as saying we have lost the war for natural births. The article was examining stats claiming that birth centre bookings were down - the public have lost interest in natural birth etc etc. There was no mention of the facts of the Fed Govt pushing consumers into priv health ins and then the high rates of med int in priv hosp. Never let the facts get in the way of a good story - eh! Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Walker, Chris (NHS) Sent: Thursday, 10 October 2002 1:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey Hi all Did anyone else from SA hear on AM 89.1 at 9am this morning a wonderful segment on childbirth? It was apparently stimulated by a recent survey in the UK that stated that most women find childbirth a terrifying experience, the pain being worse than they aniticipated and 6 out of 10 said that antenatal classes did not prepare them for the reality, in any way! Debbie Jeffs from the Womens and Childrens hospital and Vanessa Scriven from South Coast Yoga both did a fantastic job of responding to this survey and to callers. Well done! The message about continuity of care, midwife care, and women being in charge is getting out there I hope its reaching its target! The only listener I heard (because I was travelling reached my destination unfortunalety!) was very down to earth - birthed some years ago with both babies having a cleft lip/palate and said she didn't go into hospital early so that she could avoid the enemas and shaves and be in charge! And said that she was glad that she isn't birthing now because she wouldn't like to have to cope with monitors etc. If anyone out there knows where to access the survey results - any ideas at all would be great. Christine Walker Community Health Nurse DHS [EMAIL PROTECTED] (08) 83258100 This email may contain confidential information, which also may be legally privileged. Only the intended recipient(s) may access, use, distribute or copy this email. If this email is received in error, please inform the sender by return email and delete the original. If there are doubts about the validity of this message, please contact the sender by telephone. It is the recipient's responsibility to check the email and any attached files for viruses. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?
I know some women who would be very happy to talk with you about their birth experiences - what was helpful to them and what wasn't (information, care, etc). They had so much resistance too, from family, friends and professionals. I also know of two women who have given birth one (several times) after multiple classical caesareans, and the other after a classical and a lower segment caesarean. Just goes to show - Original Message - From: paul dunwell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture? Greetings to everyone on the list. I'm new to the list. I'm expecting my third child due in March. I've had 2 c-sections previously and was automatically told that consequtive pregnancies will be c-sections. I am not comfortable with this and have started searching for midwives who will attend homebirths. Until recently, I suppressed the past experiences and am now endeavouring to gather my hospital notes to ascertain the reasons forthe previous c-sections. In the meantime, I'm ringing around to arrange "interviewing" potential attendants. Thus far, I was able to contact two out of my list and both suggest getting an ultrasound and having an ob/gyn advise on the percentage risk of uterine rupture. I was under the impression, like pelvimetry, this kind of test is inconclusive as well. Can anyone tell me if this test is standard or even required in order to proceed with interviewing for homebirth midwives? I'm prepared for the possiblity of a c-section; however I am cynical about getting a test done if it is in aidof condoning another c-section in the environment of insurance crisis. I am not sure the "right questions" to ask and do hope I am not offending anyone on the list by my concerns. Your advise would be greatly appreciated as a pursue my birthing options. Kind regards, Becky
Re: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this!
I GUESS WE ARE ALL APPALLED, BUT I WONDER WHAT WE HAVE DONE ABOUT IT SINCE WE FIRST READ THE POST. II KNOW I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING! (sorry about the caps, wrong key) I suppose the best thing would be to write to Federal State Health Ministers and especially the Prime Minister on the unintended consequences of the push to private health funds.It was supposed to benefit the economy and then the patient. What a failure in the maternity area. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey
Wow, excellent access to the press articles. But my heart just breaks. It seems everyone is aware of the midwifery shortage. However, as one who is in the process of becoming authorised to practice and will be looking for a midwifery position, if it weren't for this list I would not know that positions were available. The positions I do see advertised are usually for senior staff and management positions. Could someone tell me what that is about? It seems to me that at least in Australia we do have a lot of trained and educated midwives BUT that they are not working as such and do we know or have any idea what would make them come back AND are there really jobs for them to come back to? I mean really, everyone talks about the nurse and midwife shortage but where are the job openings? I look in the papers religiously and on the internet and quite honestly I would say that the jobs do not exist, if the hospitals are recruiting they are doing it very, very, quietly and selectively. I am harping I know, but if I didn't know otherwise I would think that the hospitals were more than adequately staffed and that I should look elswhere for employment. marilyn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey In a message dated 10/10/02 11:45:23 AM W. Australia Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If anyone out there knows where to access the survey results - any ideas atall would be great.I've copied below info about this, that I have copied from one of our NCT email groups.I can't find a web site for the magazine, but am sure you could probably find a copy it over here - it is the UK version."1 Oct A survey by Mother and Baby magazine has found that themajority of women find birth terrifying and that only 6% achieved a naturalbirth. This survey has received widespread coverage in all the media, withcomments by NCT putting a more positive spin on childbirth today. BBC HealthOn-line / Guardian / Mailhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2288294.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2288294.stm http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health/story.jsp?story=338348http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health/story.jsp?story=338348 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,802078,00.htmlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,802078,00.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/10/01/nbirth01.xmlhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/10/01/nbirth01.xmHope this helps.Debbie SlaterPerth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey
Dear Marilyn, I think your impression regarding advertised midwifery positions isright. I think many hospitals, birth centres etc. only advertise positions if they have several vacancies and are really worried about staff levels. Otherwise they rely on midwives and nurses approaching the institutions directly, providing a CV and attending an interview. Often the initial appointment is on a casual basis, or short term contract, which can lead to permanent employment ifboth parties are satisfied with each other's offers. My advice would be to send CV's to the places you would like to work, with an expression of interest. Let them know when you think you would be seeking work, and the number of hours per fortnight you would like. Be aware they will probably try to employ you on the lowest pay level they can. You need to be really clear and assertive about what level you should be employed on, as many will try to beat you down to starting ona lower payrate, especially in the private sector. This has been my experience, anyway. It was nice meeting you at Noosa. Best wishes, Lois - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey Wow, excellent access to the press articles. But my heart just breaks. It seems everyone is aware of the midwifery shortage. However, as one who is in the process of becoming authorised to practice and will be looking for a midwifery position, if it weren't for this list I would not know that positions were available. The positions I do see advertised are usually for senior staff and management positions. Could someone tell me what that is about? It seems to me that at least in Australia we do have a lot of trained and educated midwives BUT that they are not working as such and do we know or have any idea what would make them come back AND are there really jobs for them to come back to? I mean really, everyone talks about the nurse and midwife shortage but where are the job openings? I look in the papers religiously and on the internet and quite honestly I would say that the jobs do not exist, if the hospitals are recruiting they are doing it very, very, quietly and selectively. I am harping I know, but if I didn't know otherwise I would think that the hospitals were more than adequately staffed and that I should look elswhere for employment. marilyn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey In a message dated 10/10/02 11:45:23 AM W. Australia Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If anyone out there knows where to access the survey results - any ideas atall would be great.I've copied below info about this, that I have copied from one of our NCT email groups.I can't find a web site for the magazine, but am sure you could probably find a copy it over here - it is the UK version."1 Oct A survey by Mother and Baby magazine has found that themajority of women find birth terrifying and that only 6% achieved a naturalbirth. This survey has received widespread coverage in all the media, withcomments by NCT putting a more positive spin on childbirth today. BBC HealthOn-line / Guardian / Mailhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2288294.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/2288294.stm http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health/story.jsp?story=338348http://news.independent.co.uk/uk/health/story.jsp?story=338348 http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,802078,00.htmlhttp://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,802078,00.html http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/10/01/nbirth01.xmlhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/10/01/nbirth01.xmHope this helps.Debbie SlaterPerth, WA
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?
In Brisbane, Queensland. - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 7:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture? Where are you? - Original Message - From: paul dunwell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture? Greetings to everyone on the list. I'm new to the list. I'm expecting my third child due in March. I've had 2 c-sections previously and was automatically told that consequtive pregnancies will be c-sections. I am not comfortable with this and have started searching for midwives who will attend homebirths. Until recently, I suppressed the past experiences and am now endeavouring to gather my hospital notes to ascertain the reasons forthe previous c-sections. In the meantime, I'm ringing around to arrange "interviewing" potential attendants. Thus far, I was able to contact two out of my list and both suggest getting an ultrasound and having an ob/gyn advise on the percentage risk of uterine rupture. I was under the impression, like pelvimetry, this kind of test is inconclusive as well. Can anyone tell me if this test is standard or even required in order to proceed with interviewing for homebirth midwives? I'm prepared for the possiblity of a c-section; however I am cynical about getting a test done if it is in aidof condoning another c-section in the environment of insurance crisis. I am not sure the "right questions" to ask and do hope I am not offending anyone on the list by my concerns. Your advise would be greatly appreciated as a pursue my birthing options. Kind regards, Becky
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?
Thank you Robyn. I agree with you to go with my instincts but I needed to check if the ultrasound is a standard procedure of c-sectioned women who are interested in homebirthing. I'm left with a feeling of uneasiness to know that the 2 random midwives (from Sunshine Coast and Brissy area) that I called, would suggest that to me unless are to go by the insurance crisis is really getting a hold of the independent midwives as well. I still have several midwives to call or await replies. And I washoping that someone on this website can suggest other midwives that I can contact. So far, the 2 midwives, mentioned above, were the only 2 who called back. Becky - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:16 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture? Hi Becky No tests are conclusive. Each makes a total picture like a jigsaw. The real test will be to say no and not accept to much medical input. There are a few really good books with statistics about Natural Birth after Caesarean Section. Contact Acegraphics.com.au for the current authors and be guided by your instincts in the main. You would be better to labour and birth at home away from the fear of intervention and have a backup booking at a hospital of your choice and try to find a cooperative obstetrician of a GP with obs/gyn to be availabe if you decide you need medical opininion or assistance. Keep interviewing you will find the right people to empower you. There is a lot of information on the net under the title VBAC - Vaginal Birth After Caesarean Section. Hope this is helpful regards, Robyn www.melbmidwifery.com.au -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of paul dunwellSent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:37 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?Importance: High Greetings to everyone on the list. I'm new to the list. I'm expecting my third child due in March. I've had 2 c-sections previously and was automatically told that consequtive pregnancies will be c-sections. I am not comfortable with this and have started searching for midwives who will attend homebirths. Until recently, I suppressed the past experiences and am now endeavouring to gather my hospital notes to ascertain the reasons forthe previous c-sections. In the meantime, I'm ringing around to arrange "interviewing" potential attendants. Thus far, I was able to contact two out of my list and both suggest getting an ultrasound and having an ob/gyn advise on the percentage risk of uterine rupture. I was under the impression, like pelvimetry, this kind of test is inconclusive as well. Can anyone tell me if this test is standard or even required in order to proceed with interviewing for homebirth midwives? I'm prepared for the possiblity of a c-section; however I am cynical about getting a test done if it is in aidof condoning another c-section in the environment of insurance crisis. I am not sure the "right questions" to ask and do hope I am not offending anyone on the list by my concerns. Your advise would be greatly appreciated as a pursue my birthing options. Kind regards, Becky
[ozmidwifery] Date claimer ACMI QLD Conference
Australian College of Midwives Brisbane Sub-branch Queensland Conference Connecting with Community at DPI Joondoburri Conference Centre Bribie Island Queensland Friday July 11th Sunday 13th 2003 Details will be in MINQ and the National magazine soon Cheers Barb
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?
It would be great to speak to the ladies who have had multiple c-sections. Would you please forward their email addresses or forward mine to them? My email address is: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thank you. Becky - Original Message - From: Lynne Staff To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11, 2002 8:03 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture? I know some women who would be very happy to talk with you about their birth experiences - what was helpful to them and what wasn't (information, care, etc). They had so much resistance too, from family, friends and professionals. I also know of two women who have given birth one (several times) after multiple classical caesareans, and the other after a classical and a lower segment caesarean. Just goes to show - Original Message - From: paul dunwell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:37 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture? Greetings to everyone on the list. I'm new to the list. I'm expecting my third child due in March. I've had 2 c-sections previously and was automatically told that consequtive pregnancies will be c-sections. I am not comfortable with this and have started searching for midwives who will attend homebirths. Until recently, I suppressed the past experiences and am now endeavouring to gather my hospital notes to ascertain the reasons forthe previous c-sections. In the meantime, I'm ringing around to arrange "interviewing" potential attendants. Thus far, I was able to contact two out of my list and both suggest getting an ultrasound and having an ob/gyn advise on the percentage risk of uterine rupture. I was under the impression, like pelvimetry, this kind of test is inconclusive as well. Can anyone tell me if this test is standard or even required in order to proceed with interviewing for homebirth midwives? I'm prepared for the possiblity of a c-section; however I am cynical about getting a test done if it is in aidof condoning another c-section in the environment of insurance crisis. I am not sure the "right questions" to ask and do hope I am not offending anyone on the list by my concerns. Your advise would be greatly appreciated as a pursue my birthing options. Kind regards, Becky
Re: [ozmidwifery] Date claimer ACMI QLD Conference
Thanks Barb - Original Message - From: Greg Barbara Cook To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2003 10:51 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Date claimer ACMI QLD Conference Australian College of Midwives Brisbane Sub-branch Queensland Conference Connecting with Community at DPI Joondoburri Conference Centre Bribie Island Queensland Friday July 11th Sunday 13th 2003 Details will be in MINQ and the National magazine soon Cheers Barb
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD
Dear Jo, Sorry I have taken so long,phone is (07) 33969718.Ann. so busy. --- Mrs joanne m fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Anne, yes could you give me her details. Cheers, Joanne. - Original Message - From: Ann green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 1:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD Dear Joanne, Her clinic is Bayside Breastfeeding Clinic.Her partner is Anne Bovey,a paed.speechie.Ann p.s. do you need a phone no.? --- Mrs joanne m fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Ann - Original Message - From: Ann green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 01, 2002 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD Dear Joanne, Is a L.C. in Brisbane any use?Robyn Noble is in a suburb there.Ann --- Jan Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 30/9/02 6:14 PM, Mrs joanne m fisher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear ozmidders, A friend of mine has 4 week old and is having some breastfeeding problems. Can anyone give me the name of a Lactation Consultant on the Sunshine Coast, QLD, so I can pass it along to her. Thanks so much in anticipation. Cheers, Joanne. Hi Joanne I believe Denise Fisher is the guru of lactation up Brisbane way. She would know who¹s who on the sunshine coast. Contact Denise through www.BreastEd.com.au Cheers Jan Robinson __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Nick Fisk
For those who don't know, he is on record as being very pro-CS.Oh! don't forget though that he is anti-riding a bike withouta helmet and drink driving! (in reference to the stupid remark he made about 12 month back, that drink driving is safer than natural child birth) once again...my comments thick with sarcasm! Jo Bainbridgefounding member CARES SAemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]phone: 08 8388 6918birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:05 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey In a message dated 10/10/02 6:04:34 PM W. Australia Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I read about the UK survey in the Sun Herald last Sunday - they alsoquoted the UK OB Dr. Fisk - he said that OZ C/s rates have increasedbecause we are a risk intolerant society.Good ol' Nick Fisk. I remember approaching him once at a conference to ask him a question. I could see him reading my name badge, and when he saw I was with the NCT he actually blanched :-) However, I treated him very gently :-) For those who don't know, he is on record as being very pro-CS.Debbie SlaterPerth, WA
[ozmidwifery] Sorry to any blonde girls but this did give me a laugh...
Now who was the joke on really... POSSIBLY THE BEST BLONDE JOKE OF THE YEAR.A blonde went into a world wide message center tosend a message to her mother overseas. When theman told her it would cost $30, she exclaimed:"I don't have $30, but I'd do ANYTHING to get amessage to my mother."The man arched an eyebrow and said "Anything?""Yes, yes, ANYTHING" the blonde promised."Well, then, just follow me" said the man as hewalked towards the next room.The blonde did as she was told and followed theman."Come in and close the door" the man said.She did."Now get on your knees."She did."Now undo my zipper."She did."Now go ahead . take it out .."She reached in and grabbed it with both hands ...then paused. The man closed his eyes and whispered,"Well, go ahead."The blonde slowly brought her mouth closer...andwhile holding it close to her lips tentatively said..."Hello, Mom can you hear me?"_Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
Re: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this!
I have found out from my daughter that this was actually hearsay, but one would think that there was some basis to it. Perhaps someone on the list from ABA (Barb?) could further enlighten us? Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, 11 October 2002 8:33 Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] How awful is this! I GUESS WE ARE ALL APPALLED, BUT I WONDER WHAT WE HAVE DONE ABOUT IT SINCE WE FIRST READ THE POST. II KNOW I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING! (sorry about the caps, wrong key) I suppose the best thing would be to write to Federal State Health Ministers and especially the Prime Minister on the unintended consequences of the push to private health funds.It was supposed to benefit the economy and then the patient. What a failure in the maternity area. MM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey
Thanks so much for this info, Lois. This list has been invaluable to me in countless ways. It was lovely to meet you at Noosa also. I am just wondering if this lack of advertising of vacancies is what maintains this staff shortage and consequently maintains this random access to appropriate midwifery care both here and abroad. It seems a truly bizarre way of attracting qualified staff, shouldn't hospitals, birth centers, healthcenters, be courting applicants in a time of shortage, I think I am missing a pice of the equation. Are administrators truly worried they will employ too many midwives and we'll all be standing around doing nothing? It goes without saying that Community Midwifery Programs are the answer to this crisis in care, butI do fear even if we finally get approval (of NMAP) they/it will be so underfunded and understaffed that women will still experience random and balloted access to this care as well as continued access to crisis care in maternity hospitals, it just boggles my mind. After reading the women's views and experienceson the BBC articles, I almost feel I can understand why some are choosing elective c/s, it is all (well, mostly) about access to some control over the kind of care they get. Ahh! marilyn From: Lois Wattis To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 5:14 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey Dear Marilyn, I think your impression regarding advertised midwifery positions isright. I think many hospitals, birth centres etc. only advertise positions if they have several vacancies and are really worried about staff levels. Otherwise they rely on midwives and nurses approaching the institutions directly, providing a CV and attending an interview. Often the initial appointment is on a casual basis, or short term contract, which can lead to permanent employment ifboth parties are satisfied with each other's offers. My advice would be to send CV's to the places you would like to work, with an expression of interest. Let them know when you think you would be seeking work, and the number of hours per fortnight you would like. Be aware they will probably try to employ you on the lowest pay level they can. You need to be really clear and assertive about what level you should be employed on, as many will try to beat you down to starting ona lower payrate, especially in the private sector. This has been my experience, anyway. It was nice meeting you at Noosa. Best wishes, Lois - Original Message - From: Marilyn Kleidon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, October 12, 2002 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey Wow, excellent access to the press articles. But my heart just breaks. It seems everyone is aware of the midwifery shortage. However, as one who is in the process of becoming authorised to practice and will be looking for a midwifery position, if it weren't for this list I would not know that positions were available. The positions I do see advertised are usually for senior staff and management positions. Could someone tell me what that is about? It seems to me that at least in Australia we do have a lot of trained and educated midwives BUT that they are not working as such and do we know or have any idea what would make them come back AND are there really jobs for them to come back to? I mean really, everyone talks about the nurse and midwife shortage but where are the job openings? I look in the papers religiously and on the internet and quite honestly I would say that the jobs do not exist, if the hospitals are recruiting they are doing it very, very, quietly and selectively. I am harping I know, but if I didn't know otherwise I would think that the hospitals were more than adequately staffed and that I should look elswhere for employment. marilyn - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 10:56 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] radio program and Uk survey In a message dated 10/10/02 11:45:23 AM W. Australia Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: If anyone out there knows where to access the survey results - any ideas atall would be great.I've copied below info about this, that I have copied from one of our NCT email groups.I can't find a web site for the magazine, but am sure you could probably find a copy it over here - it is the UK version."1 Oct A survey by Mother and Baby magazine has found that themajority of women find birth terrifying and that only 6% achieved a naturalbirth. This survey has received widespread coverage in all the media, withcomments
[ozmidwifery] Intuitive Midwifery Workshop
Title: Message Dear All, Looking forward to coming to Melbourne next weekend for the Intuitive Midwifery workshop. We do still have a couple of places... and I just wanted to remind everyone that there is a discount price of $250 for students and those under financial squeeze. Last week, Liz in Adelaide wrote "attendingthe intuitive midwifery workshop in Adelaide this weekend was truly amazing.Words can't really describe - it was work and play and song and connectedness and wisdom and beauty. It was women, raw, honest, sharing sorrow andhappiness and love. It was dancing and singing, laughing and crying and healing.Not just for us who attended, but rippling out to help heal the "tapestry of birth". It resonated to my core, and sent shivers down my spine. I feel something within me has shifted, opened." Love to all, Vicki
Re: [ozmidwifery] Nick Fisk
Also dont forget that Nick Fisk was bred in the land of the fearful obstetrician - Australia. We're now exporting their fear based agenda's. Jo Dean Bainbridge wrote: 01c270cc$fdfc39c0$0360443d@amd400"> For those who don't know, he is on record as being very pro-CS. Oh! don't forget though that he is anti-riding a bike withouta helmet and drink driving! (in reference to the stupid remark he made about 12 month back, that drink driving is safer than natural child birth) once again...my comments thick with sarcasm! Jo Bainbridge founding member CARES SA email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: 08 8388 6918 birth with trust, faith love... - Original Message - From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:05PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] radio programand Uk survey In a message dated 10/10/02 6:04:34 PM W. AustraliaStandard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I read about the UK survey in the Sun Herald last Sunday - they also quoted the UK OB Dr. Fisk - he said that OZ C/s rates have increased because we are a risk intolerantsociety. Good ol' Nick Fisk. I rememberapproaching him once at a conference to ask him a question. I could seehim reading my name badge, and when he saw I was with the NCT he actuallyblanched :-) However, I treated him very gently :-) Forthose who don't know, he is on record as being very pro-CS. DebbieSlater Perth, WA
