Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression
Dear Carol, Yep you are right there is no current research into this topic at all Very frustrating... but I am still pursuing the topic as I find it very fascinating. I have decided to do a Qualitative study entitled "Placentophagy - Personal experiences of an 'unmentionable' practice" in which I will interview 5 women who have undertaken placentophagy. Now as for the lit review, I think I will have to make close links to other alternative practices such as Lotus births. Not sure if I can stretch to the 1500 word lit review but will give it a shot!!! It is my understanding that in the lit review you also critique other research and I can point out the limitations in the research. from Veronica (Midwifery Student, University of Ballarat). - Original Message - From: Carol Thorogood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression Dear VeronicaCongratulations on your venture. My e-mail isn't very positive I'm afraid. I don't want to discourage you but. There are no valid research studies that show that eating the placenta has any beneficial effects. There are a few anecdotal studies which refer to its beneficial effects but in terms of evidence based midwifery there is nothing useful in the literature. So, if you have to do a literature review for your research proposal it will be awfully thin. However, there are a few women who eat it and swear by it but it'd be awfully hard to prove. So, my advice is to find something that others have done so you'll have lots to talk about in the proposal. Alternatively you could set up a randomised controlled trial to see if it has an effect in reducing the incidence of PND. But that would be awfully hard to do and you'd probably need a couple of thousand women who are prepared to eat their placentas and then match them with a couple of thousand who don't. It all sounds too hard to me! Anyway good luck and have fun.Carol Carol ThorogoodVisiting Midwifery ScholarSchool of Nursing and MidwiferyFlinders University, Adelaide, 5001Telephone: 08 8201 3924Fax: 08 8201 3410
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dear All, I am happy, stoked, proud, thrilled and woohoo-ed to announce that today saw the arrival of a baby, which coinsided with me assisting at my very first live birth! i rushed to the hospital at 3am this morning and at 12.40 in the afternoon mr 9.5pounds reared his [HUGE] head!! i cried! i was able to get really envolved, it was amazing! mum was EXCELLENT! 13hrs of labour, strong contractions and using only the gas.however, her dialation seemed to halt around 9cm which was frustrating. but to cut a long story short, the big beautiful head was born then within minutes the even bigger shoulders then he was here! im suprised you didnt all hear me singing and dancing around with joy! mum and bub are fine, student midwife dancing around the room like a crazy person! just had to share! take care!! love [a delirious] Jess
RE: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?
Title: Message Dear Becky, I am not currently taking clients but have attended quite a few women over the years having homebirths after their previous cesarean sections. It has never been my practice to request a scan or ob/gyn advice (we can guess that without paying all those$$). Independent midwives are a rare breed in this part of the world and if you have spoken to two, that may be it! Another alternative is to consider Selangor Hospital at Nambour who are very supportive of VBAC. All the best, Vicki Chan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of paul dunwellSent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:33 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?Importance: High Thank you Robyn. I agree with you to go with my instincts but I needed to check if the ultrasound is a standard procedure of c-sectioned women who are interested in homebirthing. I'm left with a feeling of uneasiness to know that the 2 random midwives (from Sunshine Coast and Brissy area) that I called, would suggest that to me unless are to go by the insurance crisis is really getting a hold of the independent midwives as well. I still have several midwives to call or await replies. And I washoping that someone on this website can suggest other midwives that I can contact. So far, the 2 midwives, mentioned above, were the only 2 who called back. Becky - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:16 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture? Hi Becky No tests are conclusive. Each makes a total picture like a jigsaw. The real test will be to say no and not accept to much medical input. There are a few really good books with statistics about Natural Birth after Caesarean Section. Contact Acegraphics.com.au for the current authors and be guided by your instincts in the main. You would be better to labour and birth at home away from the fear of intervention and have a backup booking at a hospital of your choice and try to find a cooperative obstetrician of a GP with obs/gyn to be availabe if you decide you need medical opininion or assistance. Keep interviewing you will find the right people to empower you. There is a lot of information on the net under the title VBAC - Vaginal Birth After Caesarean Section. Hope this is helpful regards, Robyn www.melbmidwifery.com.au -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of paul dunwellSent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:37 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?Importance: High Greetings to everyone on the list. I'm new to the list. I'm expecting my third child due in March. I've had 2 c-sections previously and was automatically told that consequtive pregnancies will be c-sections. I am not comfortable with this and have started searching for midwives who will attend homebirths. Until recently, I suppressed the past experiences and am now endeavouring to gather my hospital notes to ascertain the reasons forthe previous c-sections. In the meantime, I'm ringing around to arrange "interviewing" potential attendants. Thus far, I was able to contact two out of my list and both suggest getting an ultrasound and having an ob/gyn advise on the percentage risk of uterine rupture. I was under the impression, like pelvimetry, this kind of test is inconclusive as well. Can anyone tell me if this test is standard or even required in order to proceed with interviewing for homebirth midwives? I'm prepared for the possiblity of a c-section; however I am cynical about getting a test done if it is in aidof condoning another c-section in the environment of insurance crisis. I am not sure the "right questions" to ask and do hope I am not offending anyone on the list by my concerns. Your advise would be greatly appreciated as a pursue my birthing options. Kind regards, Becky
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Title: Message :) -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of J StewartSent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:57 PMTo: ozmidCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: dear All, I am happy, stoked, proud, thrilled and woohoo-ed to announce that today saw the arrival of a baby, which coinsided with me assisting at my very first live birth! i rushed to the hospital at 3am this morning and at 12.40 in the afternoon mr 9.5pounds reared his [HUGE] head!! i cried! i was able to get really envolved, it was amazing! mum was EXCELLENT! 13hrs of labour, strong contractions and using only the gas.however, her dialation seemed to halt around 9cm which was frustrating. but to cut a long story short, the big beautiful head was born then within minutes the even bigger shoulders then he was here! im suprised you didnt all hear me singing and dancing around with joy! mum and bub are fine, student midwife dancing around the room like a crazy person! just had to share! take care!! love [a delirious] Jess
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-Original Message-From: J Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 5:57 PMTo: ozmidCc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: dear All, I am happy, stoked, proud, thrilled and woohoo-ed to announce that today saw the arrival of a baby, which coinsided with me assisting at my very first live birth! i rushed to the hospital at 3am this morning and at 12.40 in the afternoon mr 9.5pounds reared his [HUGE] head!! i cried! i was able to get really envolved, it was amazing! mum was EXCELLENT! 13hrs of labour, strong contractions and using only the gas.however, her dialation seemed to halt around 9cm which was frustrating. but to cut a long story short, the big beautiful head was born then within minutes the even bigger shoulders then he was here! im suprised you didnt all hear me singing and dancing around with joy! mum and bub are fine, student midwife dancing around the room like a crazy person! just had to share! take care!! love [a delirious] Jess
Re: [ozmidwifery] virus prevention
IncrediMail Xe is also an email program available free and is a great email program. Lots of fun too. Regards Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Monday, October 14, 2002 20:15:38 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] virus prevention Hello all,Just wanted to pass on something that I've heard from a few different techie-types now.They say that most viruses (is that how you spell it?!) are geared toward Microsoft affecting as many users as possible. Therefore, you can avoid being affected by a lot of the viruses if you use an email program other than Microsoft Outlook or the other common one is Netscape Messenger. Other options would be Eudora (what I use), Opera, or web-based email programs like Yahoo or Hotmail.I think you can be infected by a virus on any email program if you open an attachment, but for something like Bugbear that didn't have an attachment not using Outlook was what saved me.I don't know much about computers, so I may have completely misunderstood. Does anyone know anything about this? For you guys that have become infected w/ a virus, what email program do you use?FYI, I think Eudora Opera are available for free on the net. Just doo a Google search.Cheers, Jen--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] Intuitive Midwifery Workshop
Title: Message Dear All, For those still enquiring... we will be taking bookings until Thursday for this Saturday's workshop. Call me on 0402 140 769 or Nic on 0412 020 836 The "Ïntuitive Midwifery" workshop is open to all women. It is a big day, Sat 19th October, going from 8am registration for a 9am start until 9 0'clock at night. It is to be held at the "Kilbride Centre" in Beaconsfield Pde, Albert Park ...and a light breakfast plus, morning and afternoon teas, lunch, and dinner are provided. It will be facilitated by myself, a midwife in private practice for the past 14 years...Nic Edmondstone who creates audio-visuals of birth of great beauty and inspiration.. and Cait Devlin, a celtic singer. We will have only a small number attending the day but there is a couple of places left.Cost $350 Students/financially challenged $250 It promises to be a very special day. Do join us Vicki "I'm finding it a bit difficult to put into words just how special this weekend has been, but wanted to let you all know that Vicki and Nic are doing something really amazing. I know it's a bit exxy for some of us, but when my chance comes around again, and they venture down to "cold old Adelaide"I won't be asking myself if I can afford to go, I'll be asking myself if I can afford not to.Hope that makes sense, thanks guys, if the workshop is all about soul food, I've just gorged myself!!" Tania Smallwood "attendingthe intuitive midwifery workshop in Adelaide this weekend was truly amazing.Words can't really describe - it was work and play and song and connectedness and wisdom and beauty. It was women, raw, honest, sharing sorrow andhappiness and love. It was dancing and singing, laughing and crying and healing.Not just for us who attended, but rippling out to help heal the "tapestry of birth". It resonated to my core, and sent shivers down my spine. I feel something within me has shifted, opened." Liz Newnham
[ozmidwifery] Re:
Hearty congratulations to all involved! Aviva - Original Message - From: J Stewart To: ozmid Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:26 PM dear All, I am happy, stoked, proud, thrilled and woohoo-ed to announce that today saw the arrival of a baby, which coinsided with me assisting at my very first live birth! i rushed to the hospital at 3am this morning and at 12.40 in the afternoon mr 9.5pounds reared his [HUGE] head!! i cried! i was able to get really envolved, it was amazing! mum was EXCELLENT! 13hrs of labour, strong contractions and using only the gas.however, her dialation seemed to halt around 9cm which was frustrating. but to cut a long story short, the big beautiful head was born then within minutes the even bigger shoulders then he was here! im suprised you didnt all hear me singing and dancing around with joy! mum and bub are fine, student midwife dancing around the room like a crazy person! just had to share! take care!! love [a delirious] Jess
[ozmidwifery] Re:
Welcome to the natural high club, Jess!! Here's to many more. Love Lois - Original Message - From: J Stewart To: ozmid Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:56 PM dear All, I am happy, stoked, proud, thrilled and woohoo-ed to announce that today saw the arrival of a baby, which coinsided with me assisting at my very first live birth! i rushed to the hospital at 3am this morning and at 12.40 in the afternoon mr 9.5pounds reared his [HUGE] head!! i cried! i was able to get really envolved, it was amazing! mum was EXCELLENT! 13hrs of labour, strong contractions and using only the gas.however, her dialation seemed to halt around 9cm which was frustrating. but to cut a long story short, the big beautiful head was born then within minutes the even bigger shoulders then he was here! im suprised you didnt all hear me singing and dancing around with joy! mum and bub are fine, student midwife dancing around the room like a crazy person! just had to share! take care!! love [a delirious] Jess
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth
On 8/10/02 9:05 PM, Vicki Chan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Love to you, Jan ... And love and warm wishes to Rachel and Scott... I met them at Katoomba and again when Nic and I came for Singing the Bones...Blessings, Vicki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Jan Robinson Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:00 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Shivam Rachana Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lotus birth On 1/10/02 10:34 AM, Larry Megan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jan wrote Rachel and Scott's baby boy, Alejandre was born through water around lunch time into the arms of both parents where he stayed until his placenta was born and gently collected (a lotus birth again, as was Stella's) Jan, can you please explain to me if Lotus birth is any different in the case of a stillbirth baby, time it takes etc? Is the palcenta kept with the baby forever? Sorry if this is a bit upfront but I am genuinely interested. thankyou Megan. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Hello Megan I seem to be ages getting to respond to this - but for your information, Stella's placenta stayed with her in the little placenta bag her grand mother had made for it. The placenta was kept clean, wrappings changed daily. It was salted on day two and we put a few drops of lavender oil on the outside of the bag on day four. We kept Stella's skin beautiful with calendula cream that stopped it drying out. Stella was cremated in her best clothes and her placenta in it's little bag lying beside her and still connected. Her ashes are complete in a special sealed container with her photograph on the outside. With Alehandre (AJ) the placenta was floated in a plastic culender and allowed to drip dryfor an hour or two. After that, Scott and I removed any blood clots from the maternal surface and the placenta was wrapped in white chux towels that were changed frequently during the first 24 hours. By that time the placenta had shrunk dramatically to about one third it's original size and the cord had shriveled too. The shrunken placenta was salted once there was no danger of any transmission through to AJ (helps drying and reduces odor) During the next few days the placenta stayed in it's bag and the cord became very brittle as all the Wharton's jelly disappeared. It was fantastic to see the two arteries and the vein coursing through the clear, dry cord tissue. On day four the brittle cord broke so that was the end of the Lotus connection between AJ and his placenta. The small amount of cord stump remained until he was a week old. Scott and Rachel are waiting until AJ's umbilicus has completely sealed over with new skin before he gets to shower with his father. What a lucky baby AJ is - he could not have gotten off to a better start. He goes for walks each day in the fresh air in his Hug - a - bub and after that he usually spends the rest of the rather hot days we are having here in Sydney reclining semi-naked on a bean bag. Nights are spent tucked in with his mother and father. Oh what a beautiful feeling to be so honoured to be involved with such a special family. Jan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Dear Vicki Rachel and Scott have some great video footage of her lotus waterbirth. Are you still looking for stuff? Love Jan -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression
I wonder if there is veterinary research that you can extrapolate to the human condition. Eg, mammals who eat their placenta and incidence of abandoning offspring or some such. Not sure where you could start looking for that one though! Jodie On Monday 14 October 2002 17:11, Veronica Herbert wrote: Dear Carol, Yep you are right there is no current research into this topic at all Very frustrating... but I am still pursuing the topic as I find it very fascinating. I have decided to do a Qualitative study entitled Placentophagy - Personal experiences of an 'unmentionable' practice in which I will interview 5 women who have undertaken placentophagy. Now as for the lit review, I think I will have to make close links to other alternative practices such as Lotus births. Not sure if I can stretch to the 1500 word lit review but will give it a shot!!! It is my understanding that in the lit review you also critique other research and I can point out the limitations in the research. from Veronica (Midwifery Student, University of Ballarat). - Original Message - From: Carol Thorogood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression Dear Veronica Congratulations on your venture. My e-mail isn't very positive I'm afraid. I don't want to discourage you but. There are no valid research studies that show that eating the placenta has any beneficial effects. There are a few anecdotal studies which refer to its beneficial effects but in terms of evidence based midwifery there is nothing useful in the literature. So, if you have to do a literature review for your research proposal it will be awfully thin. However, there are a few women who eat it and swear by it but it'd be awfully hard to prove. So, my advice is to find something that others have done so you'll have lots to talk about in the proposal. Alternatively you could set up a randomised controlled trial to see if it has an effect in reducing the incidence of PND. But that would be awfully hard to do and you'd probably need a couple of thousand women who are prepared to eat their placentas and then match them with a couple of thousand who don't. It all sounds too hard to me! Anyway good luck and have fun. Carol Carol Thorogood Visiting Midwifery Scholar School of Nursing and Midwifery Flinders University, Adelaide, 5001 Telephone: 08 8201 3924 Fax: 08 8201 3410 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] virus prevention
Yes Jen that is correct. We run on Linux software here at home (compatible with netscape and Eudora but I use Kmail) and we NEVER have virus issues... ever! Jodie On Monday 14 October 2002 19:27, Jennifer Semple wrote: Hello all, Just wanted to pass on something that I've heard from a few different techie-types now. They say that most viruses (is that how you spell it?!) are geared toward Microsoft affecting as many users as possible. Therefore, you can avoid being affected by a lot of the viruses if you use an email program other than Microsoft Outlook or the other common one is Netscape Messenger. Other options would be Eudora (what I use), Opera, or web-based email programs like Yahoo or Hotmail. I think you can be infected by a virus on any email program if you open an attachment, but for something like Bugbear that didn't have an attachment not using Outlook was what saved me. I don't know much about computers, so I may have completely misunderstood. Does anyone know anything about this? For you guys that have become infected w/ a virus, what email program do you use? FYI, I think Eudora Opera are available for free on the net. Just doo a Google search. Cheers, Jen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: Search for a midwife
Title: Re: Search for a midwife Dear Lise, I've forwarded your message to the ozmidwifery list as there are many midwives on he List with connections to midwives overseas. Dear List - could anyone who can help pls email Lise directly. thanks Barb. President Maternity Coalition. From: Richard-Lise [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 10 Oct 2002 20:50:14 +1000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Search for a midwife Hi, I am an Australian Mum who was lucky enough to have my own independent midwife for my last baby. I have met a woman that is looking for her own independent midwife in London. Can you give me any contacts to pass on to her? Thank you so much Lise
Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression
Well, I don't know if that would be true - we had a cow once who ate the placenta as per usual and still abandoned her young and tried to steal another cows calf. The one calf therefore had two mothers and one had none. I had to hand rear the abandoned calf however, he ended up with what one may call behavioral problems possible some sort of brain condition. I wondered if that was why she had abandoned him - she knew something that i didn't. We had a dog who tried to kill one of four pups and he ended up having some sort of behavioural problems too. We thought he had some brain damage as he was borngreen and we revived him. I think almost all animals eat the placenta however those who abandon their young you may find it is almost always due to something being wrong with the baby. That is what I have found anyway. Interesting thought though. I wonder if Dogs who undergo c/s at vets are prone to not wanting their young. That may be somewhere to go. But then that could be the fact that they had the c/s as well as not eating the placenta - you may need to get a vet to help with a control study. Regards Rhonda ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 09:14:31 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression I wonder if there is veterinary research that you can extrapolate to the human condition. Eg, mammals who eat their placenta and incidence of abandoning offspring or some such. Not sure where you could start looking for that one though!JodieOn Monday 14 October 2002 17:11, Veronica Herbert wrote: Dear Carol, Yep you are right there is no current research into this topic at all Very frustrating... but I am still pursuing the topic as I find it very fascinating. I have decided to do a Qualitative study entitled "Placentophagy - Personal experiences of an 'unmentionable' practice" in which I will interview 5 women who have undertaken placentophagy. Now as for the lit review, I think I will have to make close links to other alternative practices such as Lotus births. Not sure if I can stretch to the 1500 word lit review but will give it a shot!!! It is my understanding that in the lit review you also critique other research and I can point out the limitations in the research. from Veronica (Midwifery Student, University of Ballarat). - Original Message - From: Carol Thorogood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression Dear Veronica Congratulations on your venture. My e-mail isn't very positive I'm afraid. I don't want to discourage you but. There are no valid research studies that show that eating the placenta has any beneficial effects. There are a few anecdotal studies which refer to its beneficial effects but in terms of evidence based midwifery there is nothing useful in the literature. So, if you have to do a literature review for your research proposal it will be awfully thin. However, there are a few women who eat it and swear by it but it'd be awfully hard to prove. So, my advice is to find something that others have done so you'll have lots to talk about in the proposal. Alternatively you could set up a randomised controlled trial to see if it has an effect in reducing the incidence of PND. But that would be awfully hard to do and you'd probably need a couple of thousand women who are prepared to eat their placentas and then match them with a couple of thousand who don't. It all sounds too hard to me! Anyway good luck and have fun. Carol Carol Thorogood Visiting Midwifery Scholar School of Nursing and Midwifery Flinders University, Adelaide, 5001 Telephone: 08 8201 3924 Fax: 08 8201 3410--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.. IncrediMail - Email has finally evolved - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] Re: Placenta and post natal depression
I don't know about dogs but I was watching a zoo type show a few weeks ago and the were talking about a family of Gorilla's and apparently a couple of them "had to have caesareans because they weren't labouring well" (insert snorts of disgust here) and after the surgery the gorilla's apparently wanted nothing to do with the babies. Gee whiz wonder why? They also talked about how they were supplementing the babies with bottles (those that still fed off their mothers)because they weren't gaining enough weight?!?!?! This all sounds very familiar. I found the whole program disgusting after that and switched off, How sad that we are inflicting this among our animal friends as well as the human race. Hugs, Larissa I wonder if Dogs who undergo c/s at vets are prone to not wanting their young. That may be somewhere to go. But then that could be the fact that they had the c/s as well as not eating the placenta - you may need to get a vet to help with a control study. Regards Rhonda. ally evolved - Click Here
[ozmidwifery] first birth
Jess, After 23 years I still get a buzz from the miracle of birth. May you have just as much joy over the years as I have. Cheers Judy From: J Stewart To: ozmid Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:26 PM dear All, I am happy, stoked, proud, thrilled and woohoo-ed to announce that today saw the arrival of a baby, which coinsided with me assisting at my very first live birth! i rushed to the hospital at 3am this morning and at 12.40 in the afternoon mr 9.5pounds reared his [HUGE] head!! i cried! i was able to get really envolved, it was amazing! mum was EXCELLENT! 13hrs of labour, strong contractions and using only the gas. however, her dialation seemed to halt around 9cm which was frustrating. but to cut a long story short, the big beautiful head was born then within minutes the even bigger shoulders then he was here! im suprised you didnt all hear me singing and dancing around with joy! mum and bub are fine, student midwife dancing around the room like a crazy person! just had to share! take care!! love [a delirious] Jess _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] picture
Can anyone tell me what the picture at the side of Vicki Chan's email about the Intuitive Midwifery workshop is, I have looked at it from all angles and am still stumped! Sheena
Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression
Dear Veronica, Good luck with your research. It's always good to remember when we undertake projects like these that it as much about us learning new skills as it is about makingground breaking discoveries. Another avenue you could follow up concerning placenta ingestion is the making of homeopathic tablets from a small portion of placenta, I have known a couple of people to do this recently. Enjoy your study Regards Lyn. - Original Message - From: Veronica Herbert To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression Dear Carol, Yep you are right there is no current research into this topic at all Very frustrating... but I am still pursuing the topic as I find it very fascinating. I have decided to do a Qualitative study entitled "Placentophagy - Personal experiences of an 'unmentionable' practice" in which I will interview 5 women who have undertaken placentophagy. Now as for the lit review, I think I will have to make close links to other alternative practices such as Lotus births. Not sure if I can stretch to the 1500 word lit review but will give it a shot!!! It is my understanding that in the lit review you also critique other research and I can point out the limitations in the research. from Veronica (Midwifery Student, University of Ballarat). - Original Message - From: Carol Thorogood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression Dear VeronicaCongratulations on your venture. My e-mail isn't very positive I'm afraid. I don't want to discourage you but. There are no valid research studies that show that eating the placenta has any beneficial effects. There are a few anecdotal studies which refer to its beneficial effects but in terms of evidence based midwifery there is nothing useful in the literature. So, if you have to do a literature review for your research proposal it will be awfully thin. However, there are a few women who eat it and swear by it but it'd be awfully hard to prove. So, my advice is to find something that others have done so you'll have lots to talk about in the proposal. Alternatively you could set up a randomised controlled trial to see if it has an effect in reducing the incidence of PND. But that would be awfully hard to do and you'd probably need a couple of thousand women who are prepared to eat their placentas and then match them with a couple of thousand who don't. It all sounds too hard to me! Anyway good luck and have fun.Carol Carol ThorogoodVisiting Midwifery ScholarSchool of Nursing and MidwiferyFlinders University, Adelaide, 5001Telephone: 08 8201 3924Fax: 08 8201 3410
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A whale with its young? Jayne - Original Message - From: Sheena Johnson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:47 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] picture Can anyone tell me what the picture at the side of Vicki Chan's email about the Intuitive Midwifery workshop is, I have looked at it from all angles and am still stumped! Sheena
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Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: On 14/10/02 7:49 PM, Karen Arthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Original Message- From: J Stewart [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 14 October 2002 5:57 PM To: ozmid Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: dear All, I am happy, stoked, proud, thrilled and woohoo-ed to announce that today saw the arrival of a baby, which coinsided with me assisting at my very first live birth! i rushed to the hospital at 3am this morning and at 12.40 in the afternoon mr 9.5pounds reared his [HUGE] head!! i cried! i was able to get really envolved, it was amazing! mum was EXCELLENT! 13hrs of labour, strong contractions and using only the gas. however, her dialation seemed to halt around 9cm which was frustrating. but to cut a long story short, the big beautiful head was born then within minutes the even bigger shoulders then he was here! im suprised you didnt all hear me singing and dancing around with joy! mum and bub are fine, student midwife dancing around the room like a crazy person! just had to share! take care!! love [a delirious] Jess Congratultions MIDWYF Jess... Youll remember this birth for a long time to come. Yes, it gets very frustrating when the birth seems imminent and the action stops temporarily but big heads have to take time out to mould and move forward SLOWLY so that they dont rip mothers soft tissues apart. Two things you have surely learned from your first birth are patience and trust. Hope this woman appreciates how much she has contributed to your learning. Dont forget to keep telling her what a wonderful birther she was every time you see her she just may want to have you (and your enthusiasm) around her for her next birth. Yours in continuity of care Jan Robinson
Re: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?
Title: Message Dear Vicki I was just about to email you. When you said that you aren't taking clients, do you mean as a midwife only or also as a doula? I only indep mw are a rare breed but we hope the other mw's on the list will reply. Although my body freezes up at the thought or mention of hospital, Selangor was looking like a possiblity. After looking at the hospital fees plus associated costs, birthing at Selangor is not a viable option for us. So, I guess I'm back to the drawing board. Anyway, thank you for contacting me and I would still love to know whether you attend as a support/doula. Regards, Becky - Original Message - From: Vicki Chan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 6:58 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture? Dear Becky, I am not currently taking clients but have attended quite a few women over the years having homebirths after their previous cesarean sections. It has never been my practice to request a scan or ob/gyn advice (we can guess that without paying all those$$). Independent midwives are a rare breed in this part of the world and if you have spoken to two, that may be it! Another alternative is to consider Selangor Hospital at Nambour who are very supportive of VBAC. All the best, Vicki Chan -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of paul dunwellSent: Friday, October 11, 2002 10:33 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?Importance: High Thank you Robyn. I agree with you to go with my instincts but I needed to check if the ultrasound is a standard procedure of c-sectioned women who are interested in homebirthing. I'm left with a feeling of uneasiness to know that the 2 random midwives (from Sunshine Coast and Brissy area) that I called, would suggest that to me unless are to go by the insurance crisis is really getting a hold of the independent midwives as well. I still have several midwives to call or await replies. And I washoping that someone on this website can suggest other midwives that I can contact. So far, the 2 midwives, mentioned above, were the only 2 who called back. Becky - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 8:16 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture? Hi Becky No tests are conclusive. Each makes a total picture like a jigsaw. The real test will be to say no and not accept to much medical input. There are a few really good books with statistics about Natural Birth after Caesarean Section. Contact Acegraphics.com.au for the current authors and be guided by your instincts in the main. You would be better to labour and birth at home away from the fear of intervention and have a backup booking at a hospital of your choice and try to find a cooperative obstetrician of a GP with obs/gyn to be availabe if you decide you need medical opininion or assistance. Keep interviewing you will find the right people to empower you. There is a lot of information on the net under the title VBAC - Vaginal Birth After Caesarean Section. Hope this is helpful regards, Robyn www.melbmidwifery.com.au -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of paul dunwellSent: Thursday, October 10, 2002 3:37 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reply required urgently: determining risk of uterine rupture?Importance: High Greetings to everyone on the list. I'm new to the list. I'm expecting my third child due in March. I've had 2 c-sections previously and was automatically told that consequtive pregnancies will be c-sections. I am not comfortable with this and have started searching for midwives who will attend homebirths. Until recently, I suppressed the past experiences and am now endeavouring to gather my hospital notes to ascertain the reasons forthe previous c-sections. In the meantime, I'm ringing around to arrange "interviewing" potential attendants. Thus far, I was able to contact two out of my list and both suggest getting an ultrasound and having an ob/gyn advise on the percentage risk of uterine rupture. I was under the impression, like pelvimetry, this kind of test is inconclusive as well.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression
hi lyn thanks for e-mail great news another son and a great labour Ihave spoken to Ellie and she was thrilled with her care looking forward to debrieing with u soon I AM AT HOME TODAY LOTS OF LOVE jAN - Original Message - From: lyn kelson To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:12 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression Dear Veronica, Good luck with your research. It's always good to remember when we undertake projects like these that it as much about us learning new skills as it is about makingground breaking discoveries. Another avenue you could follow up concerning placenta ingestion is the making of homeopathic tablets from a small portion of placenta, I have known a couple of people to do this recently. Enjoy your study Regards Lyn. - Original Message - From: Veronica Herbert To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:11 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression Dear Carol, Yep you are right there is no current research into this topic at all Very frustrating... but I am still pursuing the topic as I find it very fascinating. I have decided to do a Qualitative study entitled "Placentophagy - Personal experiences of an 'unmentionable' practice" in which I will interview 5 women who have undertaken placentophagy. Now as for the lit review, I think I will have to make close links to other alternative practices such as Lotus births. Not sure if I can stretch to the 1500 word lit review but will give it a shot!!! It is my understanding that in the lit review you also critique other research and I can point out the limitations in the research. from Veronica (Midwifery Student, University of Ballarat). - Original Message - From: Carol Thorogood To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 3:31 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta and post natal depression Dear VeronicaCongratulations on your venture. My e-mail isn't very positive I'm afraid. I don't want to discourage you but. There are no valid research studies that show that eating the placenta has any beneficial effects. There are a few anecdotal studies which refer to its beneficial effects but in terms of evidence based midwifery there is nothing useful in the literature. So, if you have to do a literature review for your research proposal it will be awfully thin. However, there are a few women who eat it and swear by it but it'd be awfully hard to prove. So, my advice is to find something that others have done so you'll have lots to talk about in the proposal. Alternatively you could set up a randomised controlled trial to see if it has an effect in reducing the incidence of PND. But that would be awfully hard to do and you'd probably need a couple of thousand women who are prepared to eat their placentas and then match them with a couple of thousand who don't. It all sounds too hard to me! Anyway good luck and have fun.Carol Carol ThorogoodVisiting Midwifery ScholarSchool of Nursing and MidwiferyFlinders University, Adelaide, 5001Telephone: 08 8201 3924Fax: 08 8201 3410
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: Search for a midwife
Dear Lise We are an independent midwifery practice in London - lots of home births, we have a lovely little Birth Centre. Normal birth rate 85% caesarean section rate 10%. Our phone number is 020 7498 2322 Caroline Flint Director of the Birth Centre www.Birthcentre.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
