Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
hello there, yes I have heard of this along with what may be another great urban myth that some constituent of the placenta is used in lipstick...or was! I cant decide whether I should be glad of the attempts to recycle or whether , in the case of lipstick , it constitutes some form of cannibalism if one should swallow itforgive me I am rambling , but I am trying to hide from a scary teenaged daughtersome of you musst know what THEY can do to their poor mothers yours Mel - Original Message - From: JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream Hi Jen! I have heard of this, if only vaguely... Can't remember where/when... but it sounds very familliar. :) Jo -- Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered. - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that human placentas are actually made in to cream. I can't remember if she said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported. Hmmm... I'll have to double check. Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this? Jen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] NMAP on Natioanl TV
Dear list and NMAP supporters As George did a reasonable job about the PI situation ( I had trouble with the reference back to a doctor and the medical PI situation) and his personal expereince of the value of midwfery care I feel he may do more justice to our need for NMAP publicity. So I ask you all to write to him and new sdimensions. My letter to him is below if you want to adapt it feel free Denise Hynd23rd October, 2002 New Dimensions ABC TV Dear George Negus, At the close of tonights New Dimensions you asked for innovative topics for further programs, my recommendation is to look at the history, structure, function and outcomes of the Community Midwifery Program WA (CMP-WA) in Perth. The reasons why this is innovative subjects are; This program was originally funded in 1996 under the Commonwealths Alternative Birthing Services (ABS), due to a collaborative application by the Fremantle based Birthplace Support group and UK experienced midwives. Unlike most other ABS funded projects this one has continued due to its community support and 2 independent assessments which have secured equal funding from the WA government. CMWA and the CMWA is the template of the National Maternity Action Plan (NMAP). NMAP has been prepared through collaboration by Maternity Coalition, Australian Society of Independent Midwives and Community Midwifery WA Inc. Maternity Coalition is an umbrella organisation of individuals and groups who share a commitment to improving the care of women in pregnancy, birth and the postnatal period. The NMAP campaign of Maternity Coalition calls on both Federal and State governments to introduce primary midwifery care within the public health system throughout urban and regional Australia as an answer to many of the problems within Australian maternity services (see attached NSW document). NMAP has been adopted part of the health policies of the Democrat and Greens parties in each state and nationally. CMWA offers each woman the choice of having her own midwife care for her throughout her pregnancy, birth and the first few weeks of her life with her new baby. This choice is available to women in the UK, Canada, the Netherlands and New Zealand. Evidence shows that adoption of CMWA/NMAP across Australia would make internationally recognized best practice available for all pregnant women, help solve the professional indemnity crisis in maternity services, reduce costs to the taxpayers and improve outcomes for mothers and babies. For these reasons and more, such as the positive experiences of the women, babies, families, community and midwives (even when there is a sad outcome!) who have access to the Community Midwifery Program WA, I would ask that your program share this information with the rest of Australia! You can contact the programs office in Perth on (08) 9339 0021. Yours sincerely, Denise Hynd RN, RM, BApSc(Nsg), IBCLC. PS I admit my personal interest in this story;, it is I have experienced the joy of working on CMWA and am now againexperiencing the too often sadness of hospital birth and pregnancy, whilst working for NMAP!
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
No i am unsettled in Sydney Another story later Take care Thank You denise - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:49 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard Hi Denise How are you, I imagine you have settled into NSW by now. I have forwarded this email to Joanne I am not sure when she will read it she has really high work committments. She can be contacted on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or www.mariewilson.com or www.musicbus.net regards, Robyn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard Robyn Any idea of cost? Denise - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard My daughter has Mobile Billboards in Melbourne. You could talk to her about your needs by calling 0419 315 948 and mention her mum sent you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard How do we get a billboard for NMAP and some one to pay for it?? Denise - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard That billboard is right near where I used to live!! Sally -Original Message- From: barbara glare chris bright [mailto:zacdan;datafast.net.au] Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 7:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard Hi, If you're driving through Geelong, keep an eye out for the billboard on your left just past the North Geelong Railway station. If your not anticipating a drive to Geelong, check it out on www.breastfeeding.asn.au Love, Barb ABA calendar and poster orders to [EMAIL PROTECTED] BirthNews is sponsored by CAPERS Bookstore the Birth Issues Journal. www.capersbookstore.com.au To unsubscribe, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
there is a facial cream here in the USA , sold at Walmart (big department store) which has placenta in it. I'm always torn between how GOOD it might be and the gross factor! I'll look at the ingredient list again next time I'm there and let y'all know Kirsten - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:06 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that human placentas are actually made in to cream. I can't remember if she said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported. Hmmm... I'll have to double check. Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this? Jen - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta sheep's placenta cream, which is very good for dermatitis and eczema. Interesting! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Intuitive Midwifery Workshop
Title: Message Thanks Robyn... We appreciate your thoughts...We have been and come home from Melb (had a wonderful time)... so maybe next time we'll get together? Lucky we are all planning to be very oldwomen so we can get all we need to do, done! All the best, Vicki xox -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Robyn ThompsonSent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:40 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Intuitive Midwifery Workshop Dear Nic and Vicki Just a short note to say congratulations on your workshops. Iam just managing to keep my head above water at present.I love to be with my family and grandchildren and my work keeps me more than happily occupied, tired and sometimes exhausted.To this end I must limit what I can do for my own peace and sanity. Keep up the good work for women and midwives. I sometimes fear I am running out of time to complete all the things I need to. If you are around call me and if I am not with a birthing woman I will arrange to meet you or you can come over here. Lots of Love Robyn -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Vicki ChanSent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:30 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] Intuitive Midwifery Workshop Thank you all to the wonderful women who joined us on Saturday!!! What a day!! We have one more workshop this Saturday at Nambour! A couple of places left! For information, call me on 0402 140769 or to book call Nic on 0412 020836 After that, I'm planning one big sleep!!! Love to allVicki -Original Message-From: elizabeth mcalpine [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, October 20, 2002 8:52 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [birthnews] intuitive workshop Hello listers, Yesterday, I attended Vicki Chan Nic Edmonstone's 'Intuitive Workshop'. What a beautiful, emotive, empowering, enlightening and fun day. A day which - reinforced my commitment to change childbirth practices refueled my passion to stop the conditioning which the medical model propagates. But yup, I have to stop being like a bull in a china shop and follow Vicki and Nic's example ofa gentle opening of the mind towards deconditioning understanding. To end, with their words. "A better world.. Where birth is sacred.. Life is treasured.. Death is honoured.. Peace at Birth.. Peace on Earth" Thank you Vicki and Nic and all you beautiful women who shared the day with me. Much, much love. Liz
Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
Hi In England we used to send them off to cosmetic companies to do I don't know what with but after HIV it all stopped. Lesley - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:06 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that human placentas are actually made in to cream. I can't remember if she said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported. Hmmm... I'll have to double check. Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this? Jen - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta sheep's placenta cream, which is very good for dermatitis and eczema. Interesting! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] NMAP on Natioanl TV
Denise Do you have the snailmail address that you used to contact George Negus. I will write as a follow up to your letter (in my capacity as Chair of CMWA), so that he has a contact at CMWA. I will also make sure that Summer is involved. Debbie
Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
aha...then it wasn't an urban myth..it really did go into lipstick! Mel - Original Message - From: Lesley Kuliukas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 10:38 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream Hi In England we used to send them off to cosmetic companies to do I don't know what with but after HIV it all stopped. Lesley - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:06 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that human placentas are actually made in to cream. I can't remember if she said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported. Hmmm... I'll have to double check. Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this? Jen - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta sheep's placenta cream, which is very good for dermatitis and eczema. Interesting! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
On 23/10/02 5:19 PM, JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jen! I have heard of this, if only vaguely... Can't remember where/when... but it sounds very familliar. :) Jo -- Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered. - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that human placentas are actually made in to cream. I can't remember if she said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported. Hmmm... I'll have to double check. Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this? Jen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Hi Jo Yes I have heard of placental face creams manufactured in Europe. I actually found a plastic container of placental shampoo washed up on a beach off the coast of NSW once upon a time so I assumed that the some of the boaties in the area had been using it. With the AIDs scares over the last few decades I don't know whether these placental products have continued to be produced but it makes sense to use the placenta to restore vitality to human skin when you consider it contains every hormone and enzyme known to be beneficial to humankind. You'd think at least we would find a use for the placenta as fertilizer - (animal placentas go into the manufacturing of blood and bone type products I believe.) I can show you some beautiful bougainvillias and other spectacular tress growing around Sydney where I know some home birth placentas were used wisely and not wasted. Jan Robinson -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Oh what a night...
I just wanted to share with the list that I attended the most amazing and special birth last night. For those of you who don't know me (and that's probably most, as I'm a bit of a lurker here!) I'm a newly qualified midwife (May last year), with 2 littlies of my own, and I've been practicing in partnership with another midwife here in Adelaide since April this year, attending women planning homebirths mainly in the Adelaide Hills area. Enough about me, yesterday morning I got a call from Wendy (the midwife) and arrived at Jess's house at 6.30am, and after an extremely emotional, hard work, up and down, lots of walking, lots of sleeping, lots of swinging and swaying (we nearly resorted to KC and the sunshine band Vicki!), lots of yelling, lots of beconing this baby into the world kind of labour (where I think I carried the entire weight of my car in water), Jess had a lovely baby girl at 1120 last night, and 3 hours later, when the placenta decided it was good and ready, so were we (and Jess, believe me!). She shared this wonderful time with us, her partner and both sets of parents, who waited quietly down the other end of the house for what must have seemed an eternity before we gave them the signal that the baby was finally on its way. I've attended 4 births with Wendy, and each one teaches me something new, something I didn't even know I didn't know - if that makes any sense. (And there's plenty I don't know!!) It was such a hard and long journey for Jess yesterday, and it was just such an amazing experience to be with another midwife who supported me, and the woman, and such a privilege to be there for such a powerful birth (which they all are, in different ways). Enough rambling, I've had a good 3 hours sleep, now to try and convince my 1 year old that it's time to go back to bed! Thanks for listening, Tania x -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
Absolutely I remember as a student midwife in Cornwall, England in the 70's, all placentas were frozen in big cartons and sold to Elizabeth Arden for cosmetic manufacture. I have never bought their lipstick!!! Janet -Original Message- From: Jan Robinson [mailto:midwife;ozemail.com.au] Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2002 8:24 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream On 23/10/02 5:19 PM, JoFromOz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jen! I have heard of this, if only vaguely... Can't remember where/when... but it sounds very familliar. :) Jo -- Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered. - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that human placentas are actually made in to cream. I can't remember if she said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported. Hmmm... I'll have to double check. Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this? Jen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Hi Jo Yes I have heard of placental face creams manufactured in Europe. I actually found a plastic container of placental shampoo washed up on a beach off the coast of NSW once upon a time so I assumed that the some of the boaties in the area had been using it. With the AIDs scares over the last few decades I don't know whether these placental products have continued to be produced but it makes sense to use the placenta to restore vitality to human skin when you consider it contains every hormone and enzyme known to be beneficial to humankind. You'd think at least we would find a use for the placenta as fertilizer - (animal placentas go into the manufacturing of blood and bone type products I believe.) I can show you some beautiful bougainvillias and other spectacular tress growing around Sydney where I know some home birth placentas were used wisely and not wasted. Jan Robinson -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
I'm fairly sure Ella Bache used to make a placenta mask/cream - more than 10 years ago. Don't know whether they still do. Jacky - Original Message - From: Lesley Kuliukas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, October 24, 2002 12:38 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream Hi In England we used to send them off to cosmetic companies to do I don't know what with but after HIV it all stopped. Lesley - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:06 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that human placentas are actually made in to cream. I can't remember if she said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported. Hmmm... I'll have to double check. Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this? Jen - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, October 18, 2002 2:27 pm Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] animals eating Placenta sheep's placenta cream, which is very good for dermatitis and eczema. Interesting! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
* Big Smile* I can show you some beautiful bougainvillias and other spectacular tress growing around Sydney where I know some home birth placentas were used wisely and not wasted. Jan Robinson PennyB. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Oh what a night...
Dear Tania Love to hear more about the care you and Wendy are providing for women I also a midwife and live in the Adelaide Hills.If you have time my phone number is 82782212. thanks Janelle Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just wanted to share with the list that I attended the most amazing and special birth last night. For those of you who don't know me (and that's probably most, as I'm a bit of a lurker here!) I'm a newly qualified midwife (May last year), with 2 littlies of my own, and I've been practicing in partnership with another midwife here in Adelaide since April this year, attending women planning homebirths mainly in the Adelaide Hills area. Enough about me, yesterday morning I got a call from Wendy (the midwife) and arrived at Jess's house at 6.30am, and after an extremely emotional, hard work, up and down, lots of walking, lots of sleeping, lots of swinging and swaying (we nearly resorted to KC and the sunshine band Vicki!), lots of yelling, lots of beconing this baby into the world kind of labour (where I think I carried the entire weight of my car in water), Jess had a lovely baby girl at 1120 last night, and 3 hours later, when the placenta decided it was good and ready, so were we (and Jess, believe me!). She shared this wonderful time with us, her partner and both sets of parents, who waited quietly down the other end of the house for what must have seemed an eternity before we gave them the signal that the baby was finally on its way. I've attended 4 births with Wendy, and each one teaches me something new, something I didn't even know I didn't know - if that makes any sense. (And there's plenty I don't know!!) It was such a hard and long journey for Jess yesterday, and it was just such an amazing experience to be with another midwife who supported me, and the woman, and such a privilege to be there for such a powerful birth (which they all are, in different ways). Enough rambling, I've had a good 3 hours sleep, now to try and convince my 1 year old that it's time to go back to bed! Thanks for listening, Tania x -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ The NEW Netscape 7.0 browser is now available. Upgrade now! http://channels.netscape.com/ns/browsers/download.jsp Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Canberra Birth Centre?
Ho Monica Sorry this has taken so long in the replying. I have been privileged to be with some amazing women and families during their birthing. The primary midwifery teams (2 teams)have 4 midwives each . They have their "own" women and back each other up for annual leave, weekends off (one per month), sleeping etc. They provide the women pregnancy, labour and postnatal care (7-14 days) and also education sessions. They are on call 24/24 and work roughly 12/24 at one time without a break (OHS) if some one is in labour. Though they may have worked during the day doing pregnancy care or postnatal visits. The fulltime Midwives have 4 women a month. This is decreased at annual leave times, 7 wks PA (worked out well in advance to help with booking families on the program), part time midwives have less families depending on what hours they work (some 3 days a week some 64 hrs f/n). Both teams have 2 fulltime 2 part-time midwives. Pregnancy care visits - initial @ 14-16/40, 20 with Obstetric Registrar, 26/40 with GLT if having, 30/40, 33/40 primips or 34/40 multips, 36/40 primip, 38/40 primip and multip and 40/40 primip and multip and 41/40 again for induction DISCUSSION and choices - IOL @ 41+3 or ultrasound for AFI biophysical "profile" and await labour. Informed decision nothing mandatory. We don't have exclusion criteria except major medical issues, though some women will birth in Delivery Suite "routinely" - Initial VBAC, twins, Induction with synto, vaginal breech birth (not common but do happen) PE with medication. Salary "package", reimbursement of work use of own vehicle, mobile phone provided, arranges own daily workload and keeping hours down if over because of long labour/birth. Women aware that visits may need to be rearranged at short notice. Woman can choose their midwife if they have birthed before with them or we will ask them if they have birthed in the Birth Centre before, who cared for them and if they want to be with that Midwife again (if on PM teams) though some of the team midwives occasionally PM women they have been with, though harder to arrange as they have a 6 wk rotating roster. Union involved in salary negotiation and what is now our award. Those who were on the Committee worked extremely hard and had alot of moments of frustration but kept at it. Think about what women want and work out what your Midwives can/will offer the women and work from there. We did a couple of Midwife surveys as well and also asked who wanted to do the Primary Model care. Please don't call it caseloading (poor connotations and language choice) One woman rang the Birth Centre wanting to speak to her Midwife as she was one of her CASES. Hope this helps. If you need further info email me ([EMAIL PROTECTED])again or if you want ring the Birth Centre (02) 62443145. Leanne ;o ) - Original Message - From: Monica Hook To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, October 06, 2002 7:46 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Canberra Birth Centre? Hi Leanne, I would be very interested in learning more about your primary midwifery model. I work in a tertiary referral hospital in Sydney and as a consequence of the GMT2 thing going on herewe have been asked by the Area Stream Director (a gynaecologist who has no connection in any way with obstetric practice) to develop proposals for midwifery led care. I feel quite out of my depth and though I'm on the committee I don't feel as if I can contribute much. It would be great to see how others have instituted such models. We have a long-standing Team Midwifery program but its long hours of rostering don't make it a viable proposition for most of our midwives. Not all of us are able to make ourselves available for 12 hour on call shifts etc. There must be other models running though, I'd love to hear how yours works, especially as a couple I looked after a few weeks ago described with a wealth of gratitude and nostalgia the wonderful birth experience they had had in Canberra with their last baby- obviously you are doing something right! Many thanks, Monica---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, 04 October 2002 09:51:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Canberra Birth Centre? Hi Mary, My name is Leanne and I am a Midwife at the Birth Centre at Canberra Hospital, we would love to see you and give you a gander around. The Birth Centre has a Primary Midwifery model and a team Mid model for women. I'm not sure about bookings in May. if you would like to email me ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and give me an address or ask specific questions I would be glad
RE: [ozmidwifery] Seeking dopplers ...
Dear Sue I quite like my doppler which I purchased from Huntleigh Diagnostics - I purchased the Aqua Dopplex - waterproof probe - great for waterbirths. I have this phone number (I hope it is still correct) 1800 072 040 Cheers Jane Palmer Pregnancy, Birth and Beyond Caring, Professional Midwifery Services Sydney Visit http://www.pregnancy.com.au -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Sue Cookson Sent: Wednesday, 23 October 2002 7:05 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Seeking dopplers ... Hi all you northern midwives, looking for a new doppler and finding the name of suppliers a bit difficult. Anyone able to help in the Brisbane area?? Or anyone out there with a doppler for sale?? Thanks, Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Oh what a night...
Dear Tania, How beautiful.brings smiles to my face and warmth to my heart to know you and other midwives like you are out there. Love, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Tom, Tania and Sam Smallwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 24 October 2002 8:34 Subject: [ozmidwifery] Oh what a night... I just wanted to share with the list that I attended the most amazing and special birth last night. For those of you who don't know me (and that's probably most, as I'm a bit of a lurker here!) I'm a newly qualified midwife (May last year), with 2 littlies of my own, and I've been practicing in partnership with another midwife here in Adelaide since April this year, attending women planning homebirths mainly in the Adelaide Hills area. Enough about me, yesterday morning I got a call from Wendy (the midwife) and arrived at Jess's house at 6.30am, and after an extremely emotional, hard work, up and down, lots of walking, lots of sleeping, lots of swinging and swaying (we nearly resorted to KC and the sunshine band Vicki!), lots of yelling, lots of beconing this baby into the world kind of labour (where I think I carried the entire weight of my car in water), Jess had a lovely baby girl at 1120 last night, and 3 hours later, when the placenta decided it was good and ready, so were we (and Jess, believe me!). She shared this wonderful time with us, her partner and both sets of parents, who waited quietly down the other end of the house for what must have seemed an eternity before we gave them the signal that the baby was finally on its way. I've attended 4 births with Wendy, and each one teaches me something new, something I didn't even know I didn't know - if that makes any sense. (And there's plenty I don't know!!) It was such a hard and long journey for Jess yesterday, and it was just such an amazing experience to be with another midwife who supported me, and the woman, and such a privilege to be there for such a powerful birth (which they all are, in different ways). Enough rambling, I've had a good 3 hours sleep, now to try and convince my 1 year old that it's time to go back to bed! Thanks for listening, Tania x -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
30 years then by my reckoning and experience Australia is well over due for midwifery care!! Denise - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ozmidwifery [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish) Hi Jo, thanks for your affirming words. I appreciate your feedback. It is vitally important to work with medical students and to challenge their accepted, medically conditioned ways of thinking. It is great you are doing that. You just never know what effect you will have on the future by your great work and kindness in teaching them and showing them what woman friendly means. Investment in these beginning medicos is critical. Remember, the more emotional you can make it, the more their brains remember and bring it up in the future. A pity they are imprinted with how not to be - you could use that though to really get them to articulate the desired way and make that a stronger imprint - this is where the Socratic style of questioning is so useful, for example How do you think that woman feels after. and what would be a better way of doing and what do you think the best course of action in that situation would be? and Do you think Dr Blah Blah was being woman friendly when he and Who was in control in that situation? Do you think the woman felt empowered by the way those choices were explained to her? etc. It seems that asking is always better than telling :-). Yes, they do get the edges bumped off them by the old guard, that is a survival tactic to fit in to the culture... but little by little Those who know these things say culture change takes about 30 years... Towards a woman friendly culture, warmly, Carolyn Hastie -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of JoFromOz Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 10:28 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish) I love your post, Carolyn. You say a lot of what I feel but I don't know how to express it. The term 'stranded beetle' said it all for me... It makes me sad, but I am taking this thread as a challenge to be able to advocate better for women in situations such as these. I can only wish the 'new breed' of obstetric residents/registrars and obstetricians are more women-friendly. I have been working with some medical students recently, doing their obstetric placements. Many of them are saying that it is a great experience to see how NOT to be when/if they specialise in obstetrics. It is an advantage for the medical students to work on a day-to-day basis with midwives, but their growing minds still get poisoned with lectures and tutorials by those 'expert' obstetricians! Sincerely, Jo Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered. Interesting also the stranded beetle position in dogs indicates total surrender and lack of power - same for us human females - surrender and acquiescence and one is far less likely to complain or dissent in such a position. Roll on NMAP! In solidarity, Carolyn Hastie -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Effective Education in Sydney ??
Hi all listers I was wondering who I am going to be lucky enough to meet up with at the next Effective Education workshop to be held by Andrea in Sydney at the YWCA ? Its the 6 day workshop coming up soon (20, 21, 22 and 25, 26 27 NOV) for both educators and non-educators on adult learners style, how groups function interpersonal communication with other people etc. (see www.birthinternational.com for more details) Im really looking forward to it as its the first time Ive done this intensive 6 day and Im keen to know who else is coming ? Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw:
Is this in Perth or here??Denise - Original Message - From: elizabeth mcalpine To: ozmidwifery Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 3:01 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: Debbie, this didn't go through. Liz - Original Message - From: elizabeth mcalpine To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 7:41 AM Debbie, I spoke to Julie who would pass the details to Summer. Howard Gretton, Channel 7, 93440731 I outlined what Denise suggested - after firstly asking if he was interested - which he said he was. I was a bit disappointed that a male answered my call but still... I mentioned the word 'series' - so I hope to see a weekly episode of following women and their families through pregnancy, birth and beyond. Of course, whilst highlighting the role of the midwife!! I hope they take it on - I'm sure it would be much better than 'Neighbours' !! Good luck Liz
Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
Robyn Any idea of cost? Denise - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard My daughter has Mobile Billboards in Melbourne. You could talk to her about your needs by calling 0419 315 948 and mention her mum sent you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard How do we get a billboard for NMAP and some one to pay for it?? Denise - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard That billboard is right near where I used to live!! Sally -Original Message- From: barbara glare chris bright [mailto:zacdan;datafast.net.au] Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 7:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard Hi, If you're driving through Geelong, keep an eye out for the billboard on your left just past the North Geelong Railway station. If your not anticipating a drive to Geelong, check it out on www.breastfeeding.asn.au Love, Barb ABA calendar and poster orders to [EMAIL PROTECTED] BirthNews is sponsored by CAPERS Bookstore the Birth Issues Journal. www.capersbookstore.com.au To unsubscribe, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Parliament discussion on Indemnity coverage
I thought you all might be interested in the fact that Parliament was discussing indemnity coverage for private practicing midwives and midwifery students today. On my way home from work I was listening to ABC radio and lo and behold there it was. A Senator Ridgeway (please excuse my spelling) gave an accurate picture of the dire circumstances that Australian society is facing in relation to the indemnity crisis. He quoted the WHO and NMAP and was an obvious supporter of midwives. The next speaker was a Senator Knowles (spelling again I am not sure of)- I am not sure of who she is- but I do know that she is from WA. Unfortunately her discussion stemmed around that she believed it was not the responsibility of the central or national goverment but rather the states themselves to supply assistance to midwives. She also went on to say that the reason this small amount of midwives was not being covered was because the insurance companies viewed them as too risky. Needless to say the driver in front of me believed I was conducting some form of private roadrage. I arrived home before much else was divulged. For those of you who are interested I am sure the transcripts will be available tomorrow onthe following website: www.aph.gov.au I believe if you go to Hansard Transcripts there will be something ready. What frustrated me was the purely economic rationality that Senator Knowles was proposing. She neglected to point out how the neglect to provide indemnity coverage for the above mentioned midwives was going to affect the population of Australian society. the restrictions that it actually causes.Anyway I thought I would pass it on. Take care everyone Regards Alphia -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream
Hi Jen! I have heard of this, if only vaguely... Can't remember where/when... but it sounds very familliar. :) Jo -- Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered. - Original Message - From: Jennifer Semple [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 4:06 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Placenta cream I think I remember a midwife who used to live in France saying that human placentas are actually made in to cream. I can't remember if she said that the cream is sold in France or if it's exported. Hmmm... I'll have to double check. Has anyone else ever heard of anything like this? Jen -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Parliament discussion on Indemnity coverage
Maybe we should Senator Knowles email address and give her the facts. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Alphia Possamai Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 5:14 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] Parliament discussion on Indemnity coverage I thought you all might be interested in the fact that Parliament was discussing indemnity coverage for private practicing midwives and midwifery students today. On my way home from work I was listening to ABC radio and lo and behold there it was. A Senator Ridgeway (please excuse my spelling) gave an accurate picture of the dire circumstances that Australian society is facing in relation to the indemnity crisis. He quoted the WHO and NMAP and was an obvious supporter of midwives. The next speaker was a Senator Knowles (spelling again I am not sure of)- I am not sure of who she is- but I do know that she is from WA. Unfortunately her discussion stemmed around that she believed it was not the responsibility of the central or national goverment but rather the states themselves to supply assistance to midwives. She also went on to say that the reason this small amount of midwives was not being covered was because the insurance companies viewed them as too risky. Needless to say the driver in front of me believed I was conducting some form of private roadrage. I arrived home before much else was divulged. For those of you who are interested I am sure the transcripts will be available tomorrow onthe following website: www.aph.gov.au I believe if you go to Hansard Transcripts there will be something ready. What frustrated me was the purely economic rationality that Senator Knowles was proposing. She neglected to point out how the neglect to provide indemnity coverage for the above mentioned midwives was going to affect the population of Australian society. the restrictions that it actually causes.Anyway I thought I would pass it on. Take care everyone Regards Alphia -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard
Hi Denise How are you, I imagine you have settled into NSW by now. I have forwarded this email to Joanne I am not sure when she will read it she has really high work committments. She can be contacted on [EMAIL PROTECTED] or www.mariewilson.com or www.musicbus.net regards, Robyn -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 6:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard Robyn Any idea of cost? Denise - Original Message - From: Robyn Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard My daughter has Mobile Billboards in Melbourne. You could talk to her about your needs by calling 0419 315 948 and mention her mum sent you. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of Denise Hynd Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:09 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard How do we get a billboard for NMAP and some one to pay for it?? Denise - Original Message - From: Sally Westbury [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, October 21, 2002 4:22 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard That billboard is right near where I used to live!! Sally -Original Message- From: barbara glare chris bright [mailto:zacdan;datafast.net.au] Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 7:16 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [birthnews] Breastfeeding billboard Hi, If you're driving through Geelong, keep an eye out for the billboard on your left just past the North Geelong Railway station. If your not anticipating a drive to Geelong, check it out on www.breastfeeding.asn.au Love, Barb ABA calendar and poster orders to [EMAIL PROTECTED] BirthNews is sponsored by CAPERS Bookstore the Birth Issues Journal. www.capersbookstore.com.au To unsubscribe, [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] exposure in the media
Dear List I forwarded the article by Meg Lees that was posted on the list, to our local paper the Wimmera Mail Times, but I really need some back up, from someone knowledgeable,for them to print, such as a contact no. so they can speak to someone with more expertise than meabout these issues. I am still first year part time midwifery and can't vocalise our concerns very well yet, especially since I haven't worked in the clinical setting, roll on next year. I have a contact at the paper who is always interested in a good story so if anyone can help, contact me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sheena Johnson
[ozmidwifery] Seeking dopplers ...
Hi all you northern midwives, looking for a new doppler and finding the name of suppliers a bit difficult. Anyone able to help in the Brisbane area?? Or anyone out there with a doppler for sale?? Thanks, Sue -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
