30 years then by my reckoning and experience Australia is well over due for midwifery care!! Denise ----- Original Message ----- From: Heartlogic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Ozmidwifery <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 4:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish)
> > Hi Jo, thanks for your affirming words. I appreciate your feedback. > > It is vitally important to work with medical students and to challenge their > accepted, medically conditioned ways of thinking. It is great you are doing > that. You just never know what effect you will have on the future by your > great work and kindness in teaching them and showing them what woman > friendly means. Investment in these beginning medicos is critical. > Remember, the more emotional you can make it, the more their brains remember > and bring it up in the future. A pity they are imprinted with how "not" to > be - you could use that though to really get them to articulate the desired > way and make that a stronger imprint - this is where the Socratic style of > questioning is so useful, for example "How do you think that woman feels > after....." and "what would be a better way of doing...." and "what do you > think the best course of action in that situation would be?" and "Do you > think Dr Blah Blah was being woman friendly when he ...." and "Who was in > control in that situation? Do you think the woman felt empowered by the way > those choices were explained to her?" etc. It seems that asking is always > better than telling :-). > > Yes, they do get the edges bumped off them by the old guard, that is a > survival tactic to fit in to the culture... but little by little.... > > Those who know these things say culture change takes about 30 years... > > Towards a woman friendly culture, > > warmly, Carolyn Hastie > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@;acegraphics.com.au]On Behalf Of JoFromOz > Sent: Monday, 21 October 2002 10:28 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Rape by stealth (longish) > > > I love your post, Carolyn. > > You say a lot of what I feel but I don't know how to express it. The term > 'stranded beetle' said it all for me... > It makes me sad, but I am taking this thread as a challenge to be able to > advocate better for women in situations such as these. > > I can only wish the 'new breed' of obstetric residents/registrars and > obstetricians are more women-friendly. I have been working with some > medical students recently, doing their obstetric placements. Many of them > are saying that it is a great experience to see how NOT to be when/if they > specialise in obstetrics. It is an advantage for the medical students to > work on a day-to-day basis with midwives, but their growing minds still get > poisoned with lectures and tutorials by those 'expert' obstetricians! > > Sincerely, Jo > > Babies are Born... Pizzas are Delivered. > > > Interesting also the stranded beetle position in > > dogs indicates total surrender and lack of power - same for us human > > females - surrender and acquiescence and one is far less likely to > complain > > or dissent in such a position. > > Roll on NMAP! > > > > In solidarity, > > > > Carolyn Hastie > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. > > > -- > This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. > Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit <http://www.acegraphics.com.au> to subscribe or unsubscribe.
