[ozmidwifery] test mail

2003-01-29 Thread Lynne Staff



just testing to see if my mail 
works!


Re: [ozmidwifery] test mail

2003-01-29 Thread Lois Wattis



YEP!!
Cheers, Lois

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Lynne 
  Staff 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 8:29 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] test mail
  
  just testing to see if my mail 
works!


[ozmidwifery] out of pocket expenses

2003-01-29 Thread Lynne Staff




Let's see.now the average visit to an ob lasts, 
say, 7 minutes, giving this one at least, aMINUTELY rate of $39.29. This 
one shouuld go to Wndy - not that she would probably think there was a problem 
with this!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jayne 

  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:58 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] NSW Maternity 
  Wards Face Axe Sun Herald 19.1.02
  
  OMG I wonder how much an ob earns per 
  MINUTE??!!!
  She was shocked, however, at the out-of-pocket costs involved. 
Though she has top hospital cover, she has had to pay $1500 so far in visits 
to the obstetrician, for ultrasounds and a deposit for the 
hospital.Each visit to the obstetrician costs 
$275. 


Fw: [ozmidwifery] NSW Maternity Wards Face Axe Sun Herald 19.1.02

2003-01-29 Thread Lynne Staff
Title: NSW Maternity Wards Face Axe Sun Herald 19.1.02




- Original Message - 
From: Lynne Staff 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2003 7:37 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] NSW Maternity Wards Face Axe Sun Herald 
19.1.02

Does anyone know of similar instances in Brisbane? 
Where the woman has to pay a gap like this?

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Jayne 

  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 9:58 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] NSW Maternity 
  Wards Face Axe Sun Herald 19.1.02
  
  OMG I wonder how much an ob earns per 
  MINUTE??!!!
  She was shocked, however, at the out-of-pocket costs involved. 
Though she has top hospital cover, she has had to pay $1500 so far in visits 
to the obstetrician, for ultrasounds and a deposit for the 
hospital.Each visit to the obstetrician costs 
$275. 


Fw: [ozmidwifery] wonderful birth!

2003-01-29 Thread Lynne Staff




- Original Message - 
From: Lynne Staff 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] wonderful birth!

Bet I know who her ob was!!!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Victoria 
  Howell 
  To: Midwifery 
  Sent: Monday, January 27, 2003 12:09 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] wonderful 
  birth!
  
  Dear Ozmidders,
  
  I had to write and tell you about a recent birth 
  I was privileged enough to be present at. I wrote to the list a few months ago 
  because my sister-in-law had been told to have a c-section due to bad varicose 
  veins in her legs. After passing on all the information and support I received 
  from the list to her, shedecided to try for a vaginal birth and went and 
  found an Ob who supported her decision. I travelled up to the Gold Coast a few 
  weeks ago and she birthed while I was there. It was 4.5 hours from when her 
  waters broke to when she birthed. She did it without any intervention (Private 
  hospital !!?! WOW), on all fours and didn't even use the gas. The power of 
  this woman was amazing Her husband wasn't interested in helping her during 
  labour so I was really involved as a support person. It is one thing to be 
  witnessing a birth as a student, but quite another when it is someone you 
  love! Anyway, the whole experience was wonderful for all concerned and I 
  wanted to thank the people on the list who were so helpful to us back in 
  December.
  
  Cheers!
  Tory - Flinders University 
Student


[ozmidwifery] ??sleep question

2003-01-29 Thread Pinky McKay



Hi all - anyone?? Any suggestions?
A question from a parent that has me a bit baffled 
- I get several every day and most are totally straightforward. Interestingly 
most babies parents enquire about aresleeping long stretches - mine never 
slept 12 hours -at any age!!


The challenge 
we are currently faced with is moving (baby) from a babyhammock to a 
cot.(baby) is now 6 months old and has been sleepingsuccessfully 
in a hammock for the last 4 months averaging around 12 hourssleep solid for 
that time. We are currently reaching a point that he willout grow his 
hammock so we will have to put him into a cot. We have triedthis a few times 
with the same result. He will go to sleep on his back andstay there for 
about 20 minutes and then because he can roll now he rolls inhis sleep and 
wakes himself up. We are both unsure of what to 
do.Pinky


[ozmidwifery] Childbirth education 'classes'

2003-01-29 Thread Jan Robinson
Dear Barb et al

Most private health funds are happy to refund the full amount incurred with
one-to-one' childbirth education sessions conducted by a midwife as long as
the midwife provides a tax invoice for the couple with her registration
details and her qualifications and contact address. It helps if the midwife
also has an ABN although this is not absolutely necessary.

I often do 'tailor-made' sessions for working couples who have not had time
to go to classes and I charge $40 per hour if they come to my place and $60
per hour if I go to theirs. They can have as many or few sessions as they
wish. They need to provide me with their learning objectives before we start
so that no time is wasted during the sessions.

After the first session I usually leave the couple with lots of videos,
books, photographs to trigger ideas for further input the couple may need.
Most couples get by with two 2hour sessions (with the viewing/reading in
between them.)

Some couples who have had previous birth experiences only want a 'refresher'
Session.

Have never had a problem with health funds not refunding money.
Jan

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Re: [ozmidwifery] ??sleep question

2003-01-29 Thread Marilyn Kleidon



Actually my first daughter did from about 8 weeks 
of age until about 6 months. It was strange, I thought she had died the first 
time she slept like that and sometimes it was 8 or ten hours, but always a BIG 
sleep from about 6 in the evening until the morning. Silly me thought I had 
figured parenting all out, she was only demand fed and fed in a sling on and off 
at least every 2 hours during the day, very interactive and pooped out after the 
evening feed. But, back to your question she didn't sleep in a baby hammock but 
in her little rocking bassinet for the first 4 months and then in a cot. When 
she started waking more frequently again around 6 months it took a bit of 
getting used to. I just kept her awake longer. Sounds like this baby just has to 
get used to waking up and putting himself back to sleep which is always a trick 
if they are not sleeping with you. I also think that at this age babies need a 
little less sleep, so maybe keep him awake longer??

marilyn

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  
  Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2003 5:00 
  AM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] ??sleep 
  question
  
  Hi all - anyone?? Any suggestions?
  A question from a parent that has me a bit 
  baffled - I get several every day and most are totally straightforward. 
  Interestingly most babies parents enquire about aresleeping long 
  stretches - mine never slept 12 hours -at any age!!
  
  
  The challenge 
  we are currently faced with is moving (baby) from a babyhammock to a 
  cot.(baby) is now 6 months old and has been 
  sleepingsuccessfully in a hammock for the last 4 months averaging around 
  12 hourssleep solid for that time. We are currently reaching a point that 
  he willout grow his hammock so we will have to put him into a cot. We have 
  triedthis a few times with the same result. He will go to sleep on his 
  back andstay there for about 20 minutes and then because he can roll now 
  he rolls inhis sleep and wakes himself up. We are both unsure of what to 
  do.Pinky


Re: [ozmidwifery] Gyno?

2003-01-29 Thread Anne Clarke



Dear Darren,

If your friend wants to have a no unecessary intervention birth then don't 
send her to a obstetrician.

Tell her to put her name down for the Birth Centre at the Royal Women's 
Hospital - phone 36368966. 

If she is so determined to have a no intervention birth then she should not 
have any qualms about going to the north side for this midwifery care.

Anne Clarke


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Darren 
  Sunn 
  To: Ozmidwifery 
  Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:31 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] Gyno?
  
  I would like to ask if anyone knows an Gyno in 
  the Southside-Brisbane area that I could refer a close friend of mine 
  to.
  She is pregnant with her first baby from IVF 
  after having Two ectopic pregnancies. She tried so hard to get everything 
  right for her previous pregnancies but that was not to be. She wants to have a 
  no intervention birth and with a midwife is preferable, but due to her 
  situation/history would like a sympathetic gyno to refer to.
  
  Any help would be appreciated.
  
  Darren


Re: [ozmidwifery] Gyno?

2003-01-29 Thread Justine Caines
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Gyno?



Dear Darren and Anne

Anne is spot on. I thought it but wasnt going to say it (again!). Your friend has had problems, but assuming this pregnancy is normal and she is healthy then she doesnt need, and is better of without an Obstetrician.

This reminds me of IVF women I have known (my cousin and daughters God Mother so I know them well!) The intervention was required to get pregnant! If they had normal healthy pregnancies (which they did) then why continue with the Ob?

Both by the way had shocking interventions, my cousin (in Brisbane) forceps delivery, baby never had any urge to suck, so bottle fed, an episiotomy extended tear that was sutured so badly she required it to be repaired at 16 weeks (charming!) and now again pregnant with twins thanks to that marvellous IVF going in for the elective 
c/section - and Im the families lunatic?!

The other thing is your friend will need emotional support after the trauma of the ectopic pregnancies, surely midwife care would be much better than her 7 minutes of glory (thanks Lynne must use that one!!) with the Ob

In solidarity

Justine. 



Dear Darren,

If your friend wants to have a no unecessary intervention birth then don't send her to a obstetrician.

Tell her to put her name down for the Birth Centre at the Royal Women's Hospital - phone 36368966. 

If she is so determined to have a no intervention birth then she should not have any qualms about going to the north side for this midwifery care.

Anne Clarke

- Original Message - 
From: Darren Sunn mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
To: Ozmidwifery mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2003 7:31 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Gyno?

I would like to ask if anyone knows an Gyno in the Southside-Brisbane area that I could refer a close friend of mine to.
She is pregnant with her first baby from IVF after having Two ectopic pregnancies. She tried so hard to get everything right for her previous pregnancies but that was not to be. She wants to have a no intervention birth and with a midwife is preferable, but due to her situation/history would like a sympathetic gyno to refer to.
 
Any help would be appreciated.
 
Darren








Re: [ozmidwifery] Gyno?

2003-01-29 Thread Aviva Sheb'a



Now, that's an interesting slant on 
technology!
aviva
- Original Message - 
From: Sally 
Westbury 
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2003 11:04 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Gyno?


I have a 
friend who got her baby in by ivf but then got her 
baby out at home in a triumph of her ability as a 
woman!

Sally 
Westbury
Homebirth 
Midwife

"You 
are a midwife, assisting at someone else's birth. Do good without show or 
fuss. Facilitate what is happening rather than what you think ought to be 
happening. If you must take the lead, lead so that the mother is helped, yet 
still free and in charge. When the baby is born, the mother will rightly say: 
"We did it ourselves!"
from 
The Tao Te Ching

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Gyno?

2003-01-29 Thread Judy Giesaitis



surely 
the only way to use technology, is ONLY WHEN IT IS REALLY NEEDED love 
Judy

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RE: [ozmidwifery] ??sleep question

2003-01-29 Thread Julie Clarke









Dear Pinky

Babies often wake briefly and then
resettle off to sleep especially under these circumstances such as rolling over

Im wondering what is preventing him
from being able to be comfortable with rolling over could it be 

(a) when he rolls
over is this a new and strange sensation for him he is not used to? Id suggest playing gentle roll
over games when he is awake and enjoying play time on the lounge room floor to
help him understand the new sensation  perhaps include rolling him onto
his tummy during bath time  increase body awareness with rolling him
around on a fit ball.

(b) is he bumping
his head against the side of the cot when he rolls? That would wake him right up wouldnt
it? Perhaps invest in a cotton bumper pad 

(c)
there is a light on in his room which
stimulates him to full wake when disturbed

(d) is he waking
and disturbed for another reason ? perhaps it is not
just that he is rolling over but that he has a tummy ache  at 6 months
intro of solids may coincide with food intolerance  

Gosh we mummies have to be such detectives
dont we J

Im feeling very liberated today 
I no longer have the chains of school drop off and school pick up  both of
mine are now in high school and its so close they happily walk. After all these years its
a wonderful feeling, but whats the bet I have a wave of panic regularly
at those times LOL

Best of luck to the mum with the sleep
question.

hug



Julie
 Clarke

Childbirth
and Parenting Educator

Transition
into Parenthood

9 Withybrook
Pl

Sylvania NSW
2224

T.
(02) 9544 6441

F (02)
9544 9257

M.
0401 265 530

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-Original Message-
From:
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Pinky McKay
Sent: Thursday, 30 January 2003
12:00 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] ??sleep question





Hi all - anyone?? Any suggestions?





A question from a parent that has me
a bit baffled - I get several every day and most are totally straightforward.
Interestingly most babies parents enquire about aresleeping long
stretches - mine never slept 12 hours -at any age!!

















The challenge we are
currently faced with is moving (baby) from a baby
hammock to a cot.(baby) is now 6 months old and has been sleeping
successfully in a hammock for the last 4 months averaging around 12 hours
sleep solid for that time. We are currently reaching a point that he will
out grow his hammock so we will have to put him into a cot. We have tried
this a few times with the same result. He will go to sleep on his back and
stay there for about 20 minutes and then because he can roll now he rolls in
his sleep and wakes himself up. We are both unsure of what to do.

Pinky










RE: [ozmidwifery] out of pocket expenses

2003-01-29 Thread Julie Clarke









I had a woman in my class last night who
told me she was paying her OB $5000

WOW

Hows that???

Isnt that incredible
!!!

Of course I expressed my surprise and
explained that as a public patient you are covered by medicare
does not cost you anything and if you need anything its all there for
you  OB, anesthetist, pediatrician,
etc  as for the food and the beds etc its all the same.

Shes thinking about it. H

Shes complained to me that shes
in and out of his office in 2 minutes etc feels uncomfortable asking him
questions  he gives her strange and funny answers to her questions 
youve heard it all before 

Our maternity system is a sick tragedy 
its almost Shakespeare isnt it  its so bad its
almost funny.



hug

Julie
 Clarke

Childbirth
and Parenting Educator

Transition
into Parenthood

9 Withybrook
Pl

Sylvania NSW
2224

T.
(02) 9544 6441

F (02)
9544 9257

M.
0401 265 530

email
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





-Original Message-
From:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On
Behalf Of Lynne Staff
Sent: Wednesday, 29 January 2003
11:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [ozmidwifery] out of
pocket expenses







Let's see.now the average visit
to an ob lasts, say, 7 minutes, giving this one at least, aMINUTELY rate
of $39.29. This one shouuld go to Wndy - not that she would probably think
there was a problem with this!







- Original Message - 





From: Jayne 





To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 





Sent: Monday,
January 20, 2003 9:58 PM





Subject: Re:
[ozmidwifery] NSW Maternity Wards Face Axe Sun Herald 19.1.02











OMG I wonder how much an
ob earns per MINUTE??!!!





She was shocked, however, at the out-of-pocket costs
involved. Though she has top hospital cover, she has had to pay $1500 so far in
visits to the obstetrician, for ultrasounds and a deposit for the hospital.

Each visit to the obstetrician costs $275.