[ozmidwifery] lobbying
The Minister for Health in W.A. is my local Member of Paliament. He has just sent out reply paid forms asking his constituents what he can do for me and the community. I took the opportunity to ask for increased funding for maternity care and the Community Midwifery Program and quoted from the Maternity Coalition post card, the reasons why women are better off with one on one midwifery care. What a timely survey! if there are any other W.A. midwives in Bobs electorate, take the opportunity to tell him what the birthing women of W.A. need. Cheers, MM
Re: [ozmidwifery] thumb not dummy
I would have to agree with the genetic aspect. My mum needed braces as did I (not a thumbsucker) and my next sister also not a thumbsucker but the brother who was a thumbsucker had great teeth. Then my daughter who sucked until around 8 yrs old also needed braces and surgery for an oral cyst. Must admit, by that time I wished the thumb was a dummy so I could throw it away. I was dead against dummies but now, am not so sure. Thumbs also get really dirty by the time the child becomes self-propelled. Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/02/2003 7:23:11 pm Hi, My son, aged 4.5, was seen sucking his thumb on ultrasound at 18 weeks. Nearly 5 years later, he's still going much to our delight! Never had we had dummies for our last two, as our oldest had lots of trouble getting rid of hers. The youngest prefers to suck nothing, and that's cool too. Both boys were breastfed beyond 14 months. But Nathan still sucks his thumb, and with the other hand holds his earlobe, when tired. His teeth are perfect, and it is something he cannot lose at the shops or anything. He only sucks it late in the day, near bedtime, which is fine by us. My cousin is a dentist, but earlier in life was seen forever with her thumb in her mouth. She ended up needing braces (as did her 5 non-thumb-sucking sisters) and swears to this day that it was genetic, not thumb-induced. We love non-dummy households! And thumbs are fine by us. It's just one of those things (like co-sleeping) that people think we are strange for supporting - but each family is individual and so is each child, so who are the experts here? Seeya Janine ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] UK Holland NZ Birth Stats
Julie For the UK try www.birthchoiceuk.com Debbie Slater Perth, WA
[ozmidwifery] night nappies
Thought you might be able to help me on this one. We have a five year old still wearing night nappies and have just decided (after waiting unfruitfully for a dry nappy in the morning as a sign to get rid of them) to try him without them anyway, so the sensation of being wet and soggy might encourage him to get up for a wee in the night. Well, we have been going for about a week and it went like this. Let him go for 2 nights and got 2wet beds in a row Then tried waking him in the night but am finding that even if I wake him at 12.30 am and again at 3.30 am he still has a bit of a wet bed in the morning. I am considering about abandoning it and just leaving him longer, but thought I might see if you have any suggestions about the situation. I am not concerned, as I have read that 1 in 5children at this agedon't have bladder control at night. But I just think I have to try and be a bit consistent with the plan and don't want to confuse him by going back to the nappies prematurely. He doesn't seem worried about being woken up for a weeor having a wet bed and knows we are just tryingto help him to get there. I have to admit I don't think it makes much sense forus both to be getting broken sleeps and doing mountains of washing, if it just means he is not quite readyyet. Look forward to your advice and/or own experiences and hope you don't mind me steering off the midwifery track Helen Cahill Midwife andMum
[ozmidwifery] Midwives Are Safer
Well here you go research that proves midwives are safer. Given our intervention and csec similarities with the US I wonder if research here would find the same thing. Blows up the arguement that homebirth and midwifery models aren't as safe as obstetric ones doesn't it. Debby MacDorman, MF, Singh, GK. (1998) Midwifery care, social and medical risk factors, and birth outcomes in the United States. Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health. 52(5): 310-323. This study compared birth outcomes and infant mortality rates for all births that took place in the United States in 1991 that were attended by physicians and certified nurse midwives. "For singleton, vaginal births at 35-43 weeks of gestation, the adjusted risk of infant mortality was 19% lower for certified-nurse midwife than for physician attended births; the risk of neonatal mortality was 31% lower." http://www.seattlemidwifery.org/action_research.htmHotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Click here for more. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] night nappies
Hi Helen I've had several friends with this problem and this is what I remember. -It appears that enuresis is more common in males -Night control of the bladderafter urinary tact infections and renal manlformationshave been excluded, will sometimes take up to 16 years to occur -Control appears to happen in three yearly cycles eg if the child was not "trained" at three years old none of the doctors were unduly concerned, but did look closely at 6 years of age etc, etc -All of the children that I knew about are now in control of their bladder at all times, the longest took11 years old. -Yes it did mean lots of washing- as wet beds occurred most nights. Dry nights were always celebrated but inevitably too soon and would be followed by wet ones. -These boys all stopped of their own accord, although many (dubious IMHO) methods were tried Not good news but maybe helpful Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: Graham Helen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] night nappies Thought you might be able to help me on this one. We have a five year old still wearing night nappies and have just decided (after waiting unfruitfully for a dry nappy in the morning as a sign to get rid of them) to try him without them anyway, so the sensation of being wet and soggy might encourage him to get up for a wee in the night. Well, we have been going for about a week and it went like this. Let him go for 2 nights and got 2wet beds in a row Then tried waking him in the night but am finding that even if I wake him at 12.30 am and again at 3.30 am he still has a bit of a wet bed in the morning. I am considering about abandoning it and just leaving him longer, but thought I might see if you have any suggestions about the situation. I am not concerned, as I have read that 1 in 5children at this agedon't have bladder control at night. But I just think I have to try and be a bit consistent with the plan and don't want to confuse him by going back to the nappies prematurely. He doesn't seem worried about being woken up for a weeor having a wet bed and knows we are just tryingto help him to get there. I have to admit I don't think it makes much sense forus both to be getting broken sleeps and doing mountains of washing, if it just means he is not quite readyyet. Look forward to your advice and/or own experiences and hope you don't mind me steering off the midwifery track Helen Cahill Midwife andMum
Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation at term
Hi Robin, Mxibustion works by stimulating the abdominal meridien and that in turn stirs up a biochemical reaction that eventually encourages the baby to turn. I have a detailed explanation from a Chinese Acupuncure textbook that sets out the process with a diagram - it is very technical and I make no attempt to remember it! If you want to know more about how it is done and the RCT that proved its worth, check out http://www.birthinternational.com/articles/andrea13.html Cheers Andrea At 07:23 PM 24/02/2003, Robin Moon wrote: Can someone tell me why moxibustion works with breech presentations? I dont understand how ' incense' stuck between toes can turn a breech? ( please excuse my woefully ignorant understanding!!) Robin - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] NSW Postcard Campaign
Title: NSW Postcard Campaign Hi, Is it of any value for us in Tasmania to send these cards as well, if we can assist send us a pile. Terry Stockdale Independent Midwife Hobart [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] NSW Postcard Campaign Hi Justine Please send me about 50 to hand out in my sessions thanks hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Justine CainesSent: Friday, 1 January 1904 12:31 AMTo: OzMid List; MC NSW Branch; [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] NSW Postcard Campaign Hello AllMC has had a postcard printed to support the efforts to implement NMAP.In NSW It is currently particularly importantIf you can promise to have friends and acquatinces send in postcards before the March 22 NSW election then please e-mail me and I can send you a quantity of postcards.For those unsure of the success of a postcard campaign, I assure you it will be a very positive step to achieving community midwifery because MC has actually sought an election commitment (formally in writing) from the NSW Health Minister with for 490 births in Illawarra and Hunter Area Health Services, in an effort to start the statewide implementation. The plan is for women across the entire area health service (rather than those close to big centres) to be able to access one to one midwifery care.In solidarityJustineJustine CainesNSW President Maternity CoalitionPO Box 105MERRIWA NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65482248Mob: 0408 210273
Re: [ozmidwifery] Kidd blood grooup antibodies???????
Dear Tina Incompatible red cells may enter a woman's circulation via transfusion or feto maternal haemorrhage. Such red blood cells may provide a haemolytic antibody response leading to the development of the isoimmunised state. In the case of such a woman subsequently becoming pregnant and carrying a baby with the same antigen to which she has antibodies, those IgG antibodies will cross the placenta and cause fetal haemolytic anaemia. The severity of the haemolysis is dependent upon the level of the antibody in the maternal circulation. Not all antibodies have this abilitity but anti D, Anti C, Anti c, anti E, Anti e, anti K, anti Fya, anti M and Anti Lua all have the ability to cause fetal haemolytic anaemia. All woman with antibodies need to have blood transfusions specifically crossed matched for them. The Kidd antibodies have the potential to cause haemolytic disease of the newborn, and so the mother needs the antibody levels monitored and referral to someone / somewhere who knows more about antibodies and thier complications. Megan (with thanks to Jacky for slaving over the clinical protocol manual, making it so easy to use) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 23/02/2003 4:26:52 pm Hello fellow listers this is a question for those of you who are haematologically minded :-)) A follow thru client received her blood results and has been diagnosed with having JK(a) antibodies. A quick search of Pubmed tells me that Kidd (JK) blood group antigens are clinically important...doesn't say why...(Im guessing with cross matching for blood transfusions etc...) and that Kidd blood group antigens are carried by the urea transporter in red Blood cells. Is anyone able to shed any light on the clinical significance of having JK(a) antibodies...for the woman and for the babe in utero or able to direct me to any other references that may assist me in understanding what this means exactly. Thanking you all in advance, Tina Pettigrew B Mid Student ACU Melb. ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] night nappies
Helen, I am answering privately because I have colleagues on the list. I know that I wet the bed with no health problems till I was 8. I used to dream I was on the toilet and let go. Sometimes twice in a night. I got good at it. I would wet, move down to the other end of the bed and only when I had wet that would I call Mum and Dad to change the bed. I think I finally started to recognise when it was a dream about being on the loo and get up and go to the toilet. At age 50 I still dream about being on the loo when I have a really full bladder at night. Hope this helps a little, Cheers Judy From: "Graham Helen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [ozmidwifery] night nappies Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:48:47 +0800 Thought you might be able to help me on this one. We have a five year old still wearing night nappies and have just decided (after waiting unfruitfully for a dry nappy in the morning as a sign to get rid of them) to try him without them anyway, so the sensation of being wet and soggy might encourage him to get up for a wee in the night. Well, we have been going for about a week and it went like this. Let him go for 2 nights and got 2 wet beds in a row Then tried waking him in the night but am finding that even if I wake him at 12.30 am and again at 3.30 am he still has a bit of a wet bed in the morning. I am considering about abandoning it and just leaving him longer, but thought I might see if you have any suggestions about the situation. I am not concerned, as I have read that 1 in 5 children at this age don't have bladder control at night. But I just think I have to try and be a bit consistent with the plan and don't want to confuse him by going back to the nappies prematurely. He doesn't seem worried about being woken up for a wee or having a wet bed and knows we are just trying to help him to get there. I have to admit I don't think it makes much sense for us both to be getting broken sleeps and doing mountains of washing, if it just means he is not quite ready yet. Look forward to your advice and/or own experiences and hope you don't mind me steering off the midwifery track Helen Cahill Midwife and Mum MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Find our more. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] night nappies
Well, I have had some personal experience with this - there are some things you can do that may help. No milk drinks after about 3pm as Milk sits very heavy in the bladder and takes a while to go through. Also milk at night is a mild sedative and makes a child sleep heavy so they don't wake as easily. Combination often causes wet beds. Cut down on drinks before bedtime - have a cut off time like 6pm and stick to it - to try to keep the bladder relatively empty - but try to encourage lots of drinks early in the day to strengthen the bladder and make it full. Often it is a case of children don't drink enough which can cause bed wetting because they never really get a full bladder during waking hours. So lots of liquid early in the day to fill it up and when it is full - try a few seconds of Holding on - just make him wait a bit to go to the loo which so long as you don't force him too wait too long is not a bad thing either - it also gives the bladder strength and control. These things should help. Don't make a fuss over wet beds but make a huge fuss about the first dry bed - even a start chart or sticker book or some sort of reward system may help to reinforce the possitive behaviour. There are machines you can get which set off an alarm when the child wets - these are a last resort at this stage - I would try other options first. Good Luck Rhonda. ---Original Message--- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 23:13:39 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] night nappies Hi Helen I've had several friends with this problem and this is what I remember. -It appears that enuresis is more common in males -Night control of the bladderafter urinary tact infections and renal manlformationshave been excluded, will sometimes take up to 16 years to occur -Control appears to happen in three yearly cycles eg if the child was not "trained" at three years old none of the doctors were unduly concerned, but did look closely at 6 years of age etc, etc -All of the children that I knew about are now in control of their bladder at all times, the longest took11 years old. -Yes it did mean lots of washing- as wet beds occurred most nights. Dry nights were always celebrated but inevitably too soon and would be followed by wet ones. -These boys all stopped of their own accord, although many (dubious IMHO) methods were tried Not good news but maybe helpful Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: Graham Helen To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] night nappies Thought you might be able to help me on this one. We have a five year old still wearing night nappies and have just decided (after waiting unfruitfully for a dry nappy in the morning as a sign to get rid of them) to try him without them anyway, so the sensation of being wet and soggy might encourage him to get up for a wee in the night. Well, we have been going for about a week and it went like this. Let him go for 2 nights and got 2wet beds in a row Then tried waking him in the night but am finding that even if I wake him at 12.30 am and again at 3.30 am he still has a bit of a wet bed in the morning. I am considering about abandoning it and just leaving him longer, but thought I might see if you have any suggestions about the situation. I am not concerned, as I have read that 1 in 5children at this agedon't have bladder control at night. But I just think I have to try and be a bit consistent with the plan and don't want to confuse him by going back to the nappies prematurely. He doesn't seem worried about being woken up for a weeor having a wet bed and knows we are just tryingto help him to get there. I have to admit I don't think it makes much sense forus both to be getting broken sleeps and doing mountains of washing, if it just means he is not quite readyyet. Look forward to your advice and/or own experiences and hope you don't mind me steering off the midwifery track Helen Cahill Midwife andMum
Re: [ozmidwifery] NSW Postcard Campaign
Hi Justine Could I have around 60 postcards to give to my midwifery students to send to the health minister. Together we can make a difference. Thanks Rachel Smith Lecturer in Midwifery University of Western Sydney Bankstown Campus Locked Bag 1797 Penrith South. DC NSW 1797 At 02:48 PM 25/02/2003 +1100, you wrote: urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office xmlns:w = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word Hi, Is it of any value for us in Tasmania to send these cards as well, if we can assist send us a pile. Terry Stockdale Independent Midwife Hobart [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] NSW Postcard Campaign Hi Justine Please send me about 50 to hand out in my sessions thanks hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Justine Caines Sent: Friday, 1 January 1904 12:31 AM To: OzMid List; MC NSW Branch; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] NSW Postcard Campaign Hello All MC has had a postcard printed to support the efforts to implement NMAP. In NSW It is currently particularly important If you can promise to have friends and acquatinces send in postcards before the March 22 NSW election then please e-mail me and I can send you a quantity of postcards. For those unsure of the success of a postcard campaign, I assure you it will be a very positive step to achieving community midwifery because MC has actually sought an election commitment (formally in writing) from the NSW Health Minister with for 490 births in Illawarra and Hunter Area Health Services, in an effort to start the statewide implementation. The plan is for women across the entire area health service (rather than those close to big centres) to be able to access one to one midwifery care. In solidarity Justine Justine Caines NSW President Maternity Coalition PO Box 105 MERRIWA NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65482248 Mob: 0408 210273 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] night nappies
That was exactly my experience too. I was 7 or 8 yrs old when i figured out the dream and what it meant. I remember being terribly shocked to have wet the bed again. All three of my girls also wet the bed until 6 or 7 years. I did share the toilet dream with them from when they were about 5but they didn't become aware of it (the dream) until about 6 years and stopped soon after. They were all easy to toilet train during the day. I never worried about it because of my own experience. It is hard to explain to people whose babies were dry at night even before they were toilet trained. Oh, I am 51 Judy. marilyn - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] night nappies Helen, I am answering privately because I have colleagues on the list. I know that I wet the bed with no health problems till I was 8. I used to dream I was on the toilet and let go. Sometimes twice in a night. I got good at it. I would wet, move down to the other end of the bed and only when I had wet that would I call Mum and Dad to change the bed. I think I finally started to recognise when it was a dream about being on the loo and get up and go to the toilet. At age 50 I still dream about being on the loo when I have a really full bladder at night. Hope this helps a little, Cheers Judy From: "Graham Helen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [ozmidwifery] night nappies Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:48:47 +0800 Thought you might be able to help me on this one. We have a five year old still wearing night nappies and have just decided (after waiting unfruitfully for a dry nappy in the morning as a sign to get rid of them) to try him without them anyway, so the sensation of being wet and soggy might encourage him to get up for a wee in the night. Well, we have been going for about a week and it went like this. Let him go for 2 nights and got 2 wet beds in a row Then tried waking him in the night but am finding that even if I wake him at 12.30 am and again at 3.30 am he still has a bit of a wet bed in the morning. I am considering about abandoning it and just leaving him longer, but thought I might see if you have any suggestions about the situation. I am not concerned, as I have read that 1 in 5 children at this age don't have bladder control at night. But I just think I have to try and be a bit consistent with the plan and don't want to confuse him by going back to the nappies prematurely. He doesn't seem worried about being woken up for a wee or having a wet bed and knows we are just trying to help him to get there. I have to admit I don't think it makes much sense for us both to be getting broken sleeps and doing mountains of washing, if it just means he is not quite ready yet. Look forward to your advice and/or own experiences and hope you don't mind me steering off the midwifery track Helen Cahill Midwife and Mum MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Find our more. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] NSW Postcard Campaign
Hi Justine, we are having a Lactation College seminar @ Wollongong Uni on March 14, If you send some to me @ Carelink, Locked Bag 3, WOLLONGONG NSW 2500 we will offer them on the night, also will send some out from the midwives in our office. Take care and keep up the great work, Judy Giesaitis -Original Message-From: Rachel Smith [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2003 9:22 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] NSW Postcard CampaignHi JustineCould I have around 60 postcards to give to my midwifery students to send to the health minister. Together we can make a difference.Thanks Rachel SmithLecturer in MidwiferyUniversity of Western SydneyBankstown CampusLocked Bag 1797Penrith South. DCNSW 1797At 02:48 PM 25/02/2003 +1100, you wrote: "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" Hi,Is it of any value for us in Tasmania to send these cards as well, if we can assist send us a pile.Terry StockdaleIndependent MidwifeHobart[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Julie Clarke To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2003 8:20 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] NSW Postcard Campaign Hi Justine Please send me about 50 to hand out in my sessions thanks hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Justine Caines Sent: Friday, 1 January 1904 12:31 AM To: OzMid List; MC NSW Branch; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] NSW Postcard Campaign Hello All MC has had a postcard printed to support the efforts to implement NMAP. In NSW It is currently particularly important If you can promise to have friends and acquatinces send in postcards before the March 22 NSW election then please e-mail me and I can send you a quantity of postcards. For those unsure of the success of a postcard campaign, I assure you it will be a very positive step to achieving community midwifery because MC has actually sought an election commitment (formally in writing) from the NSW Health Minister with for 490 births in Illawarra and Hunter Area Health Services, in an effort to start the statewide implementation. The plan is for women across the entire area health service (rather than those close to big centres) to be able to access one to one midwifery care. In solidarity Justine Justine Caines NSW President Maternity Coalition PO Box 105 MERRIWA NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65482248 Mob: 0408 210273 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] thumb or dummy!?
Dear Belinda, I was not trying to be offensive.I was trying to say that if a baby was crying that it was better to give a dummy than the parents becoming frustrated and harming the child.This does not mean that parents using dummies are lazy.I was blessed to have babies that had enough suckling at the breast(or a bottle of E.B.M which was needed for babes 4,5, and 6 for between 4-6 months until they were able to feed at the breast,a long hard haul for everyone -imagine expressing milk for this amount of time with no idea of when it will finish, sorry off the topic)Ann--- Belinda Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ann the better than abuse thing is very offensive. My children have breastfed for two years are smart loved and emotionally well developed. They also had dummies apart from my two year old who sucks her thumb. They all had a strong desire to suck and the dummy gave them comfort as well as the two and more hour feeding at the breastfed my children also have healthy teeth. I am not slack or abusive and it really annoys me when judgements are made about dummies thumbs to use or not based on what one does for ones own. Choices are choices based on what a woman feels is best for her child. Michel ODent wrote an article on transcendental objects and said that their use is actually a sign of emotional stability, feeling ok enough to form attachments to such things. I used to allow myself to be made to feel bad as a mother because of my eldest use of a dummy, then my close friends son died of a brain tumour at two years old and her older daughter who had never used a dummy (because she bought into the whole its such a bad mothering thing to do) started to use one and did so until she was nine years old. She now says there are more important things about mothering than stressing about what others think you should be doing. By the way her daughters teeth are fine.The whole I.Q. research needs to be closely looked at for methodology and socioeconomic status of participants, parenting styles etc for it to be worth generalising. I get really fed up with peoples discourses of good mother bad mother, it brings down the confidence of many a good mother. Belinda, mother - Original Message - From: Ann green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] thumb or dummy!? Dear List, Research was suppose to have shown that the use of dummies was associated with a lower I.Q.I have not used a dummy but understand that for some parents it might be a better choice than abuse.None of my 6 children have sucked thumbs either!Ann --- Jo Slamen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thumbs allegedly don't affect teeth unless still in use at the age of permanent teeth coming through. My teeth are straight (no orthodontic work) and I was a thumb sucker - so much so that I had a callous on my thumb as a young child - stopped when I started primary school. My almost 4yo also a thumb child - his baby teeth are pretty ok looking and I find his thumb use is still useful for going to bed and getting him to sleep. Would also imagine trying to swap baby to a dummy probably won't work. I would relax about the thumb - does not indicate any emotional problems and it's likely to be in use for comfort rather than teething too, I believe. And just to add some personal bias I think thumbs look better than dummies too! Jo Slamen - Original Message - From: J Stewart To: ozmid Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:12 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] thumb or dummy!? Dear List(s)! Just looking for a little bit of general advice on an old debate! I have a six month old baby cousin [very cute!] she has taken to sucking her thumb as she is starting to get some toothy pegs! and her mum is not in favour of giving her a dummy. I was wondering what opinions are on this? I would think that sucking thumbs could effect tooth development and the direction/position in which they grow, as well as forming a hard to kick habbit in todlers, but have also heard interesting points against dummies. Any thoughts!? Thanks in advance! Jessica. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts
[ozmidwifery] breech presentation at term/Moxa
Quoting directly from my text book... Moxa is made from the herb Artemesia Vulgaris (chrysanthemum). It can produce heat.. it is pure Yang in nature having the ability to restore the primary yang from collapse. It can open the 12 regular meridians to regulate qi and blood, expel cold and dampness, warm the uterus, stop bleeding, warm the spleen stomach to remove stagnation, regulate menstruation and ease the fetus. It can be applied directly (wool), by stick or attatched to a needle. When I was attending the Traditional Medicine Training College in Quanshou (China) I was astounded to enter a treatment room and see 6 people all lying on beds with about 6 smoking needles in the various meridians. It was being used for treatment of arthritis, but it looked like the patients were all on fire- It is highly valued in traditional Chinese Medicine. MM Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation at term Hi Robin, Mxibustion works by stimulating the abdominal meridien and that in turn stirs up a biochemical reaction that eventually encourages the baby to turn. I have a detailed explanation from a Chinese Acupuncure textbook that sets out the process with a diagram - it is very technical and I make no attempt to remember it! If you want to know more about how it is done and the RCT that proved its worth, check out http://www.birthinternational.com/articles/andrea13.html Cheers Andrea At 07:23 PM 24/02/2003, Robin Moon wrote: Can someone tell me why moxibustion works with breech presentations? I dont understand how ' incense' stuck between toes can turn a breech? ( please excuse my woefully ignorant understanding!!) Robin - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] UK Holland NZ Birth Stats
Thanks Tina Any ideas on Holland? hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2003 1:40 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] UK Holland NZ Birth Stats In a message dated 25/02/03 10:36:32 AM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Where can I get access to UK Holland and NZ Birth Stats to compare them with Oz stats? Hi Julie...for the NZ stats, try the [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cheers Tina
RE: [ozmidwifery] UK Holland NZ Birth Stats
Thanks Sally Yes Ive visited this website its excellent Are you able to help me with Holland? Is every one else interested in this too??? Has anyone else ever investigated this??? Surely Im not the first? hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joyce, Sally Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2003 3:52 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] UK Holland NZ Birth Stats Julie, I am not sure how specific you want but the following site provides some comprehensive stats on major hospitals in England, Scotland and Wales. Unfortunately it doesn't provide averages, just breakdowns for each of the hospitals. By clicking on the compare units button on the right side and you can get comparison data (top 10%, lowest 10%or nearest 10%) on Caesarean section, Elective Caesarean, Emergency Caesarean, Epidural, Episiotomy, Induction, Forceps, Ventouse, homebirth and births per midwife per year rates. Sally http://www.drfoster.co.uk/birth/hospitals/288/overview.htm -Original Message- From: Julie Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2003 9:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ozmidwifery] UK Holland NZ Birth Stats Where can I get access to UK Holland and NZ Birth Stats to compare them with Oz stats? Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] DISCLAIMERThe information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. Opinions contained in the message(s) do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Government and its authorities. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network.
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[ozmidwifery] night nappies
I have never talked about this with anyone before and I am amazed that someone else had the same problem. It was always my Aunty Dot's toilet too. Don't know why. Believe you are in Tully. I have just move to Mareeba. Cheers Judy From: "Marilyn Kleidon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] night nappies Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 07:50:17 -0800 That was exactly my experience too. I was 7 or 8 yrs old when i figured out the dream and what it meant. I remember being terribly shocked to have wet the bed again. All three of my girls also wet the bed until 6 or 7 years. I did share the toilet dream with them from when they were about 5 but they didn't become aware of it (the dream) until about 6 years and stopped soon after. They were all easy to toilet train during the day. I never worried about it because of my own experience. It is hard to explain to people whose babies were dry at night even before they were toilet trained. Oh, I am 51 Judy. marilyn - Original Message - From: Judy Chapman To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] night nappies Helen, I am answering privately because I have colleagues on the list. I know that I wet the bed with no health problems till I was 8. I used to dream I was on the toilet and let go. Sometimes twice in a night. I got good at it. I would wet, move down to the other end of the bed and only when I had wet that would I call Mum and Dad to change the bed. I think I finally started to recognise when it was a dream about being on the loo and get up and go to the toilet. At age 50 I still dream about being on the loo when I have a really full bladder at night. Hope this helps a little, Cheers Judy From: "Graham Helen" Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Subject: [ozmidwifery] night nappies Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 08:48:47 +0800 Thought you might be able to help me on this one. We have a five year old still wearing night nappies and have just decided (after waiting unfruitfully for a dry nappy in the morning as a sign to get rid of them) to try him without them anyway, so the sensation of being wet and soggy might encourage him to get up for a wee in the night. Well, we have been going for about a week and it went like this. Let him go for 2 nights and got 2 wet beds in a row Then tried waking him in the night but am finding that even if I wake him at 12.30 am and again at 3.30 am he still has a bit of a wet bed in the morning. I am considering about abandoning it and just leaving him longer, but thought I might see if you have any suggestions about the situation. I am not concerned, as I have read that 1 in 5 children at this age don't have bladder control at night. But I just think I have to try and be a bit consistent with the plan and don't want to confuse him by going back to the nappies prematurely. He doesn't seem worried about being woken up for a wee or having a wet bed and knows we are just trying to help him to get there. I have to admit I don't think it makes much sense for us both to be getting broken sleeps and doing mountains of washing, if it just means he is not quite ready yet. Look forward to your advice and/or own experiences and hope you don't mind me steering off the midwifery track Helen Cahill Midwife and Mum -- MSN Instant Messenger now available on Australian mobile phones. Find our more. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Hotmail now available on Australian mobile phones. Click here for more. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Animal lover
Title: Message ANIMAL LOVER A man is driving along a highway and sees a hare jump out across themiddle of the road. He swerves to avoid hitting it, but unfortunatelythe hare jumps right in front of the car. The driver, a sensitive manas well as an animal lover, pulls over and gets out to see what hasbecome of the hare. Much to his dismay, the hare is dead. The driver feels so awful that he begins to cry. A beautiful blonde woman driving down the highway sees the man cryingon the side of the road and pulls over. She steps out of the car andasks the man about his problem. I feel terrible, he explains Iaccidentally hit this hare and killed it. The blonde says, Don'tworry. She runs to her car and pulls out a spray can. She walks overto the limp, dead hare, bends down, and sprays the contents onto thehare. The hare jumps up, waves its paw at thetwo of them and hops off down the road. Ten metres away the harestops, turns around and waves again, he hops down the road anotherten metres, turns and waves, hops another ten metres, turns andwaves, and repeats thisagain and again and again, until he hops out of sight. The man is astonished. He naturally asks the woman, What's in thatcan?What did you spray on that hare? The blonde woman turns the can aroundso that the man can read the label. Itsays Are you ready for this?) (You know you're going to be sorry.) It says, Hair spray - Restores life to dead hair, adds permanentwave.
[ozmidwifery] re 1st trimester risks for Autism
Dear listers Does anyone know of any 1st trimester risks for Autism. We just had a GP ring up asking if there was any relationship between air travel in the 1st trimester and autism. She stated that she had some anecdotal relationship from a unit which deals with autistic children. Any ideas? Judy Giesaitis --- Confidentiality Notice The information contained in this email message is intended for the named addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient you must not copy, distribute, take any action reliant on, or disclose any details of the information in this email to any other person or organisation. If you have received this email in error, please notify the sender immediately. --- Name: Judy Giesaitis Position: Program Coordinator Department: CareLink Company: Australian Health Management Group Address: Locked Bag 3 WOLLONGONG NSW 2500 Phone: 1800.65.33.16 Fax: 02.4227.1678 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] attachment: Notebook.jpg
RE: [ozmidwifery] UK Holland NZ Birth Stats
Julie, I did a brief search on the internet and found the following reference. It was just a linking site and gave me the following information. For anybody interested in maternity care/midwifery in the Netherlands. Over the past twelve years I have collected the following list of literature (in English) on the organisation of maternity services in the Netherlands (often incorrectly referred to as Holland). If anyone knows of any other papers, book chapters, conference proceedings please send me the relevant details and I shall add them to this list of references. The web page address is: http://www.abdn.ac.uk/public_health/phresear/dutch.htmi Best wishes, Edwin Dr. Edwin R. van Teijlingen Lecturer in Public Health Dugald Baird Centre for Research on Women's Health University of Aberdeen ABERDEEN AB25 2ZD email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unfortunately the web page address doesn't work any more but he is still at the university and apparently is still collecting information. For more information about Edwin try http://www.abdn.ac.uk/public_health/eteijlingen.hti A list of references are provided at http://www.abdn.ac.uk/public_health/dutch.hti He might be able to help you track down some statistics. Sally PS - Research is my passion so I am only to glad to try to help out. -Original Message-From: Julie Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2003 11:39 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] UK Holland NZ Birth Stats Thanks Sally Yes Ive visited this website its excellent Are you able to help me with Holland? Is every one else interested in this too??? Has anyone else ever investigated this??? Surely Im not the first? hug Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Joyce, SallySent: Tuesday, 25 February 2003 3:52 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] UK Holland NZ Birth Stats Julie, I am not sure how specific you want but the following site provides some comprehensive stats on major hospitals in England, Scotland and Wales. Unfortunately it doesn't provide averages, just breakdowns for each of the hospitals. By clicking on the compare units button on the right side and you can get comparison data (top 10%, lowest 10%or nearest 10%) on Caesarean section, Elective Caesarean, Emergency Caesarean, Epidural, Episiotomy, Induction, Forceps, Ventouse, homebirth and births per midwife per year rates. Sally http://www.drfoster.co.uk/birth/hospitals/288/overview.htm -Original Message-From: Julie Clarke [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, 25 February 2003 9:29 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] UK Holland NZ Birth Stats Where can I get access to UK Holland and NZ Birth Stats to compare them with Oz stats? Julie Clarke Childbirth and Parenting Educator Transition into Parenthood 9 Withybrook Pl Sylvania NSW 2224 T. (02) 9544 6441 F (02) 9544 9257 M. 0401 265 530 email [EMAIL PROTECTED] DISCLAIMERThe information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. Opinions contained in the message(s) do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Government and its authorities. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network. DISCLAIMER The information contained in the above e-mail message or messages (which includes any attachments) is confidential and may be legally privileged. It is intended only for the use of the person or entity to which it is addressed. If you are not the addressee any form of disclosure, copying, modification, distribution or any action taken or omitted in reliance on the information is unauthorised. Opinions contained in the message(s) do not necessarily reflect the opinions of the Queensland Government and its authorities. If you received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete it from your computer system network.
Re: [ozmidwifery] thumb not dummy
Everyone has a personal opinion and or experience of thumb and or dummy. Most interesting. someone said mothers get put under too much pressure to do or not to do one. Uhmm Is marketing and advertising considered as pressure??? Dummies, pacifiers, soothers everywhere - in gifts to new mothers in magazines on supermarket and chemist shelves. One would think it a normal human phenomena yet fingers and thumbs were created way long before the plastic thing. From an academic point have you all seen and read Binns, C Scott, J, (2002) Using pacifier: what are breastfeeding mothers doing? Breastfeeding Review, 10 (2) 21-25 so yes there are many facets to this topic and each parent needs to weigh up the evidence and blend to their individual parenting style. From a personal view point. Our family has a history of thumb sucking 3 out of 4 girls in a family of six were thumb suckers. 1 out of 2 of my daughters also was a thumb sucker (the other would suck only the breast) from birth and possibly in utero. Based on my knowledge (at the time) of coping and behavioral development of children I gradually and gently coaxed my 4 year old to stop sucking her thumb 1st in the day time by keeping busy and distracting and sticker rewards and eventually at night time by sticker chart rewards etc. If I had my time again I would not do that. That kind of management can be perceived by some child temperament types as nagging and who knows what else. I would leave her be and just show her love acceptance and validity and lead her to make the decision more at her own pace. I have known of adults who traded a dummy or thumb for smoking or other harmful substances. In comparison a thumb or dummy sucking habit is quite harmless and not disgusting at all as we seem to perceive it is after some certain age. that's my input on this topic anyway Ruth Ruth Cantrill From: Maternity Ward Mareeba Hospital [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 20:42:55 +1000 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] thumb not dummy I would have to agree with the genetic aspect. My mum needed braces as did I (not a thumbsucker) and my next sister also not a thumbsucker but the brother who was a thumbsucker had great teeth. Then my daughter who sucked until around 8 yrs old also needed braces and surgery for an oral cyst. Must admit, by that time I wished the thumb was a dummy so I could throw it away. I was dead against dummies but now, am not so sure. Thumbs also get really dirty by the time the child becomes self-propelled. Judy [EMAIL PROTECTED] 24/02/2003 7:23:11 pm Hi, My son, aged 4.5, was seen sucking his thumb on ultrasound at 18 weeks. Nearly 5 years later, he's still going much to our delight! Never had we had dummies for our last two, as our oldest had lots of trouble getting rid of hers. The youngest prefers to suck nothing, and that's cool too. Both boys were breastfed beyond 14 months. But Nathan still sucks his thumb, and with the other hand holds his earlobe, when tired. His teeth are perfect, and it is something he cannot lose at the shops or anything. He only sucks it late in the day, near bedtime, which is fine by us. My cousin is a dentist, but earlier in life was seen forever with her thumb in her mouth. She ended up needing braces (as did her 5 non-thumb-sucking sisters) and swears to this day that it was genetic, not thumb-induced. We love non-dummy households! And thumbs are fine by us. It's just one of those things (like co-sleeping) that people think we are strange for supporting - but each family is individual and so is each child, so who are the experts here? Seeya Janine ** This e-mail, including any attachments sent with it, is confidential and for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). This confidentiality is not waived or lost if you receive it and you are not the intended recipient(s), or if it is transmitted/ received in error. Any unauthorised use, alteration, disclosure, distribution or review of this e-mail is prohibited. It may be subject to a statutory duty of confidentiality if it relates to health service matters. If you are not the intended recipient(s), or if you have received this e-mail in error, you are asked to immediately notify the sender by telephone or by return e-mail. You should also delete this e-mail message and destroy any hard copies produced. ** -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Today in Parliament...
New member for Victoria Kirsty Marshall, ( ex-aerial skier) was kicked out of Question Time with her 11 day old baby because she commenced breastfeeding during the session. Her baby was with her because Grandma who was supposed to be babysitting had temporarily gone missing The reason given for her removal was twofold, apparently; 1) no strangers are allowed during Question Time. 2) no eating or drinking is allowed during Question Time. Oh my... Robin. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] breech presentation at term/Moxa
thank you Ladies, you're a fountain of knowledge! Robin - Original Message - From: Mary Murphy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 11:37 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] breech presentation at term/Moxa Quoting directly from my text book... Moxa is made from the herb Artemesia Vulgaris (chrysanthemum). It can produce heat.. it is pure Yang in nature having the ability to restore the primary yang from collapse. It can open the 12 regular meridians to regulate qi and blood, expel cold and dampness, warm the uterus, stop bleeding, warm the spleen stomach to remove stagnation, regulate menstruation and ease the fetus. It can be applied directly (wool), by stick or attatched to a needle. When I was attending the Traditional Medicine Training College in Quanshou (China) I was astounded to enter a treatment room and see 6 people all lying on beds with about 6 smoking needles in the various meridians. It was being used for treatment of arthritis, but it looked like the patients were all on fire- It is highly valued in traditional Chinese Medicine. MM Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 12:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] re: breech presentation at term Hi Robin, Mxibustion works by stimulating the abdominal meridien and that in turn stirs up a biochemical reaction that eventually encourages the baby to turn. I have a detailed explanation from a Chinese Acupuncure textbook that sets out the process with a diagram - it is very technical and I make no attempt to remember it! If you want to know more about how it is done and the RCT that proved its worth, check out http://www.birthinternational.com/articles/andrea13.html Cheers Andrea At 07:23 PM 24/02/2003, Robin Moon wrote: Can someone tell me why moxibustion works with breech presentations? I dont understand how ' incense' stuck between toes can turn a breech? ( please excuse my woefully ignorant understanding!!) Robin - Andrea Robertson Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] thumb or dummy!?
Dummy, Television, Bouncinettes, Learning to climb out of cot and turn on video at 3, etc, they're all the same. I consider them to be tools of the trade. They supplemented my parenting skills by giving me some space to catch my breath. I'm eternally grateful for all of them and not for one second would I consider that my girls ( deliciously revolting teenagers who adore their parents) were ever compromised psychologically by them. It's a bit like that verse in the Old Testament that tells us 'wine was made to gladden the hearts of men'. ( oh, where is that again?) A little, used judiciously is great, too much can be a different tale. *gets off short stubby soap box and wanders away*.. probably to put thumb in mouth to ponder dinner... Robin p.s, Love the Michel Odent quote. He always makes me feel ' normal '. - Original Message - From: Ann green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] thumb or dummy!? Dear Belinda, I was not trying to be offensive.I was trying to say that if a baby was crying that it was better to give a dummy than the parents becoming frustrated and harming the child.This does not mean that parents using dummies are lazy.I was blessed to have babies that had enough suckling at the breast(or a bottle of E.B.M which was needed for babes 4,5, and 6 for between 4-6 months until they were able to feed at the breast,a long hard haul for everyone -imagine expressing milk for this amount of time with no idea of when it will finish, sorry off the topic)Ann--- Belinda Maier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ann the better than abuse thing is very offensive. My children have breastfed for two years are smart loved and emotionally well developed. They also had dummies apart from my two year old who sucks her thumb. They all had a strong desire to suck and the dummy gave them comfort as well as the two and more hour feeding at the breastfed my children also have healthy teeth. I am not slack or abusive and it really annoys me when judgements are made about dummies thumbs to use or not based on what one does for ones own. Choices are choices based on what a woman feels is best for her child. Michel ODent wrote an article on transcendental objects and said that their use is actually a sign of emotional stability, feeling ok enough to form attachments to such things. I used to allow myself to be made to feel bad as a mother because of my eldest use of a dummy, then my close friends son died of a brain tumour at two years old and her older daughter who had never used a dummy (because she bought into the whole its such a bad mothering thing to do) started to use one and did so until she was nine years old. She now says there are more important things about mothering than stressing about what others think you should be doing. By the way her daughters teeth are fine.The whole I.Q. research needs to be closely looked at for methodology and socioeconomic status of participants, parenting styles etc for it to be worth generalising. I get really fed up with peoples discourses of good mother bad mother, it brings down the confidence of many a good mother. Belinda, mother - Original Message - From: Ann green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 10:10 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] thumb or dummy!? Dear List, Research was suppose to have shown that the use of dummies was associated with a lower I.Q.I have not used a dummy but understand that for some parents it might be a better choice than abuse.None of my 6 children have sucked thumbs either!Ann --- Jo Slamen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thumbs allegedly don't affect teeth unless still in use at the age of permanent teeth coming through. My teeth are straight (no orthodontic work) and I was a thumb sucker - so much so that I had a callous on my thumb as a young child - stopped when I started primary school. My almost 4yo also a thumb child - his baby teeth are pretty ok looking and I find his thumb use is still useful for going to bed and getting him to sleep. Would also imagine trying to swap baby to a dummy probably won't work. I would relax about the thumb - does not indicate any emotional problems and it's likely to be in use for comfort rather than teething too, I believe. And just to add some personal bias I think thumbs look better than dummies too! Jo Slamen - Original Message - From: J Stewart To: ozmid Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, February 24, 2003 12:12 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] thumb or dummy!? Dear List(s)! Just looking for a little bit of general advice on an old debate! I have a six month old baby
Re: [ozmidwifery] Today in Parliament...
In a message dated 26/02/03 4:04:22 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: New member for Victoria Kirsty Marshall, ( ex-aerial skier) was kicked out of Question Time with her 11 day old baby because she commenced breastfeeding during the session. Her baby was with her because Grandma who was supposed to be babysitting had temporarily gone missing The reason given for her removal was twofold, apparently; 1) no strangers are allowed during Question Time. 2) no eating or drinking is allowed during Question Time. Oh my... Robin. Hi all if this is so.then THIS IS A TOTAL DISGRACE!! Perhaps we need to get the ABA on side and hold a breastfeeding demonstration/rally on the steps of parliment just to again highlight the negativity and discrimination mothers in our community and workplaces sufferthe govt should be setting the example here for work places in supporting women to BF their babes... yours in breastfeeding Tina Pettigrew.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Today in Parliament...
I have just emailed my daughter, asking her to go and b/f both the 3 year old and the 9mth old in the visitors gallery Judy -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Wednesday, 26 February 2003 4:18 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Today in Parliament...In a message dated 26/02/03 4:04:22 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: New member for Victoria Kirsty Marshall, ( ex-aerial skier) was kicked outof Question Time with her 11 day old baby because she commencedbreastfeeding during the session. Her baby was with her because Grandma whowas supposed to be babysitting had temporarily gone missingThe reason given for her removal was twofold, apparently;1) no strangers are allowed during Question Time.2) no eating or drinking is allowed during Question Time.Oh my...Robin.Hi all if this is so.then THIS IS A TOTAL DISGRACE!!Perhaps we need to get the ABA on side and hold a breastfeeding demonstration/rally on the steps of parliment just to again highlight the negativity and discrimination mothers in our community and workplaces sufferthe govt should be setting the example here for work places in supporting women to BF their babes...yours in breastfeedingTina Pettigrew.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Today in Parliament...
A protest - Tina?? Ab-so -bloody- lutely!! I have spent the night in hosp with a severe allergic reaction so am unable to do anything much,but am thinking there will be hundreds of health pros and others at teh Carlton Crest tomorrow for the ABA workshop with Sheila-IWILL be back on deck to talk tomorrow. I know ABA dont do political stuff but somehow while everyone is in one place couldnt they allstand up for this mum?? My daughtersfriend who is due to have a baby in the next few days-and is enrolled to start a doctorate in psychology at Melb unihas been toldby her supervisors that she is under no circumstances to BRING aBABY to lectures. -these damn babies must be so disruptive -how are women meant to live their lives?? And when they are psychology lecturers who dont get the motherbaby bond what hope is there?? My daughter hastold her friend she will go with her if nec and tell them this is discrimination -no new mum needs this pressure. I must say I couldnt find the letterbox at 11days -let alone parliament house. Pinky - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 4:17 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Today in Parliament... In a message dated 26/02/03 4:04:22 PM AUS Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: New member for Victoria Kirsty Marshall, ( ex-aerial skier) was kicked outof Question Time with her 11 day old baby because she commencedbreastfeeding during the session. Her baby was with her because Grandma whowas supposed to be babysitting had temporarily gone missingThe reason given for her removal was twofold, apparently;1) no strangers are allowed during Question Time.2) no eating or drinking is allowed during Question Time.Oh my...Robin.Hi all if this is so.then THIS IS A TOTAL DISGRACE!!Perhaps we need to get the ABA on side and hold a breastfeeding demonstration/rally on the steps of parliment just to again highlight the negativity and discrimination mothers in our community and workplaces sufferthe govt should be setting the example here for work places in supporting women to BF their babes...yours in breastfeedingTina Pettigrew.
