[ozmidwifery] Re: Vaginal breech birth
It is true these little treasures have the benefit of making the right way to be born known My experience of breech is 1 multi undiagnosed due to large maternal habitas just presented a foot and birthed very quickly 2. primip undiagnosed who presented a scrotum and then froze when everyone else besides me started freaking out and planning theatre. Despite encouragement she was unable to move the baby further and I could recall Michel Odent sayig that a scared doctor or midwife had no business attending a breech birth so as sh had chosen her birth place and carer I just went along with it but always felt she could have got it out 3.primip who desperately wanted a vaginal birth but when baby stayed breech despite attempts at ECV. Baby easily turned to transverse but refused (couldn't) roll over and kept going back. Instinctively she felt she needed to have an elective luscs and at birth baby had a cord no about 6-8 inches long. Moral of the story is let mum and bub be your guide Andrea Q Tania Smallwood writes: That's such a wonderful story Jan! I've had the pleasure of being at two breech births so far in my fledgeling career... My first 'catch' as a real midwife, at home on my own after my colleague left to be with another woman, out came two feet, the woman stood up out of the water and birthed her little girl into my hands. What an amazing induction into the world of trust and the amazing strength and ability of women. Then last year, a baby that firmly remained frank breech after ECV and all the other things you try when encouraging a baby to go head down. Mum soul searched and came to a peace about her baby's decision, and then made her own to stay at home as long as possible. Baby girl born into water, bottom first, have some magnificent photos of this little one emerging and legs kicking under the water. Interestingly, the bit lots of fear surrounds, the birth of the head, was quick and problem free, the head emerged as soon as one shoulder freed itself. I have been truly blessed. Tania - Original Message - From: Janet Ireland To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth and seek u out they do one little girl went to great lengths her parents planned a homebirth the universe greated enormous challenges the mums bp went up protein appeared in the urine the baby turned and remained breech a hospital birth was planned at 40 weeks mums bloods were still normal and bp high and protien high we escaped induction the family went on a picnic the dad entered a competetion racing in a bathtub down the banks of the river he broke his leg 2 days later labour started the support persons ie drivers did not answer phone mw went to family to drive to hospital arrived 30 before footling breech birth alls happy jan - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth You will Kim One day a little breech baby will seek you out and you'll be fine supporting it's mother. Make sure you all support this student and buy her a copy of Maggie Banks book Breech Birth Woman-Wise so she knows there is another way. Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 24 Apr, 2005, at 16:19, Kim Stead wrote: Hi again Not sure what happened in theatre as I only heard about it afterwards but it sounded pretty straight forward after the initial panic and getting to theatre before mum birthed her baby herself. What was really disappointing is the two people involved - a clinical nurse educator and student midwife. I don't blame the student at all but think someone supposedly experienced enough to be in a teaching role, should have known better and acted accordingly.. Afterwards the student was very overwhelmed and the nurse educator repeatedly kept saying, thank god we got her to theatre and saved her!!! I was completely speechless about the whole event. What message does this student take away from this situation and how will this affect her future midwifery practice??? I've never been fortunate enough to be present at a breech birth but knowing the mechanisms and rules of hands off etc, think that we would all be capable of supporting mum to birth this baby herself. There is always senior staff on hand but perhaps that is where the problem lays? Just thinking out loud. I prey that I get to see this and vaginal twin birth before I retire. Kim ---Original Message--- From:
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth
Pleased to hear that Kate. ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 04/25/05 12:32:36 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth >>What is even more sad, is that most of these girls (students) have never seen a physiological third stage let alone vaginal breech or twin birth. Something so simple and natural is becoming a thing of the past. I'm a 2nd year. One of our "young" students (17) attended her first birth last year - vaginal birth of twins. She, at least, is going to think that's the simple, natural, normal, obvious, first choice, etc way of birthing twins! Kate
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth
>>What is even more sad, is that most of these girls (students) have never seen a physiological third stage let alone vaginal breech or twin birth. Something so simple and natural is becoming a thing of the past. I'm a 2nd year. One of our "young" students (17) attended her first birth last year - vaginal birth of twins. She, at least, is going to think that's the simple, natural, normal, obvious, first choice, etc way of birthing twins! Kate
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth
Thanks Jan and Jan! Yes I know that things should and hopefully one day, will be different. This student has a copy of Maggie's book. It just seems that someone in a 'senior' position who thought this case was so dangerous and potentially tragic, that the student disregarded her own knowledge and the ability of the woman to birth her own baby who was clearly coming one way or the other. I am sure you can all appreciate that when someone deems something 'an emergency situation', it is hard not to get sucked up into the rush and panic of the situation. I know it's not right but it happens. I know I've been there myself as a student and as a new practitioner in a medicalised / defensive environment - brain into overdrive thinking of all the 'emergency' things you should be doing as everyone else is the room is flapping around also. Your adrenalin is pumping and rational thought is at times fragmented especially when you are swimming against the current in the first place. It's difficult to trust your own knowledge or what you believe is right. What is even more sad, is that most of these girls (students) have never seen a physiological third stage let alone vaginal breech or twin birth. Something so simple and natural is becoming a thing of the past. Kim :-) ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 04/25/05 09:15:29 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth and seek u out they do one little girl went to great lengths her parents planned a homebirth the universe greated enormous challenges the mums bp went up protein appeared in the urine the baby turned and remained breech a hospital birth was planned at 40 weeks mums bloods were still normal and bp high and protien high we escaped induction the family went on a picnic the dad entered a competetion racing in a bathtub down the banks of the river he broke his leg 2 days later labour started the support persons ie drivers did not answer phone mw went to family to drive to hospital arrived 30 before footling breech birth alls happy jan - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth You will KimOne day a little breech baby will seek you out and you'll be fine supporting it's mother.Make sure you all support this student and buy her a copy of Maggie Banks book Breech Birth Woman-Wise so she knows there is another way.JanJan Robinson Independent Midwife PractitionerNational Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.auOn 24 Apr, 2005, at 16:19, Kim Stead wrote: Hi again Not sure what happened in theatre as I only heard about it afterwards but it sounded pretty straight forward after the initial panic and getting to theatre before mum birthed her baby herself. What was really disappointing is the two people involved - a clinical nurse educator and student midwife. I don't blame the student at all but think someone supposedly experienced enough to be in a teaching role, should have known better and acted accordingly.. Afterwards the student was very overwhelmed and the nurse educator repeatedly kept saying, thank god we got her to theatre and saved her!!! I was completely speechless about the whole event. What message does this student take away from this situation and how will this affect her future midwifery practice??? I've never been fortunate enough to be present at a breech birth but knowing the mechanisms and rules of hands off etc, think that we would all be capable of supporting mum to birth this baby herself. There is always senior staff on hand but perhaps that is where the problem lays? Just thinking out loud. I prey that I get to see this and vaginal twin birth before I retire. Kim ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 04/24/05 12:54:07 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ENDING GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MIDWIVES yes this was very much a planned breech birth. we have a breech-very keen obstetrician and there have been 4 at that hospital this week including 2 breech twins. (this one was actually caught by the MW with him in the room)the mum's attitude too, was such a huge part of it i think. she just thought 'why wouldnt i be able to birth her??' so she birthed her on the birth stool with no troubles :)what happened once in theatre kim? Kim Stead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:That sounds wonderful Emily. I 'assume' is was a known/planned breech birth?? The last one at our hospital was an undiagnosed multi who was fully, raced to theatre in order to 'save' mum and babe!! Arhh!! It is certainly a dying art. Kiwi Kim ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth
That's such a wonderful story Jan! I've had the pleasure of being at two breech births so far in my fledgeling career... My first 'catch' as a real midwife, at home on my own after my colleague left to be with another woman, out came two feet, the woman stood up out of the water and birthed her little girl into my hands. What an amazing induction into the world of trust and the amazing strength and ability of women. Then last year, a baby that firmly remained frank breech after ECV and all the other things you try when encouraging a baby to go head down. Mum soul searched and came to a peace about her baby's decision, and then made her own to stay at home as long as possible. Baby girl born into water, bottom first, have some magnificent photos of this little one emerging and legs kicking under the water. Interestingly, the bit lots of fear surrounds, the birth of the head, was quick and problem free, the head emerged as soon as one shoulder freed itself. I have been truly blessed. Tania - Original Message - From: Janet Ireland To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth and seek u out they do one little girl went to great lengths her parents planned a homebirth the universe greated enormous challenges the mums bp went up protein appeared in the urine the baby turned and remained breech a hospital birth was planned at 40 weeks mums bloods were still normal and bp high and protien high we escaped induction the family went on a picnic the dad entered a competetion racing in a bathtub down the banks of the river he broke his leg 2 days later labour started the support persons ie drivers did not answer phone mw went to family to drive to hospital arrived 30 before footling breech birth alls happy jan - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth You will KimOne day a little breech baby will seek you out and you'll be fine supporting it's mother.Make sure you all support this student and buy her a copy of Maggie Banks book Breech Birth Woman-Wise so she knows there is another way.JanJan Robinson Independent Midwife PractitionerNational Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.auOn 24 Apr, 2005, at 16:19, Kim Stead wrote: Hi again Not sure what happened in theatre as I only heard about it afterwards but it sounded pretty straight forward after the initial panic and getting to theatre before mum birthed her baby herself. What was really disappointing is the two people involved - a clinical nurse educator and student midwife. I don't blame the student at all but think someone supposedly experienced enough to be in a teaching role, should have known better and acted accordingly.. Afterwards the student was very overwhelmed and the nurse educator repeatedly kept saying, thank god we got her to theatre and saved her!!! I was completely speechless about the whole event. What message does this student take away from this situation and how will this affect her future midwifery practice??? I've never been fortunate enough to be present at a breech birth but knowing the mechanisms and rules of hands off etc, think that we would all be capable of supporting mum to birth this baby herself. There is always senior staff on hand but perhaps that is where the problem lays? Just thinking out loud. I prey that I get to see this and vaginal twin birth before I retire. Kim ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 04/24/05 12:54:07 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ENDING GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MIDWIVES yes this was very much a planned breech birth. we have a breech-very keen obstetrician and there have been 4 at that hospital this week including 2 breech twins. (this one was actually caught by the MW with him in the room)the mum's attitude too, was such a huge part of it i think. she just thought 'why wouldnt i be able to birth her??' so she birthed her on the birth stool with no troubles :)what happened once in theatre kim? Kim Stead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:That sounds wonderful Emily. I 'assume' is was a known/planned breech birth?? The last one at our hospital was an undiagnosed multi who was fully, raced to theatre in or
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth
and seek u out they do one little girl went to great lengths her parents planned a homebirth the universe greated enormous challenges the mums bp went up protein appeared in the urine the baby turned and remained breech a hospital birth was planned at 40 weeks mums bloods were still normal and bp high and protien high we escaped induction the family went on a picnic the dad entered a competetion racing in a bathtub down the banks of the river he broke his leg 2 days later labour started the support persons ie drivers did not answer phone mw went to family to drive to hospital arrived 30 before footling breech birth alls happy jan - Original Message - From: Jan Robinson To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 25, 2005 8:33 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth You will KimOne day a little breech baby will seek you out and you'll be fine supporting it's mother.Make sure you all support this student and buy her a copy of Maggie Banks book Breech Birth Woman-Wise so she knows there is another way.JanJan Robinson Independent Midwife PractitionerNational Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.auOn 24 Apr, 2005, at 16:19, Kim Stead wrote: Hi again Not sure what happened in theatre as I only heard about it afterwards but it sounded pretty straight forward after the initial panic and getting to theatre before mum birthed her baby herself. What was really disappointing is the two people involved - a clinical nurse educator and student midwife. I don't blame the student at all but think someone supposedly experienced enough to be in a teaching role, should have known better and acted accordingly.. Afterwards the student was very overwhelmed and the nurse educator repeatedly kept saying, thank god we got her to theatre and saved her!!! I was completely speechless about the whole event. What message does this student take away from this situation and how will this affect her future midwifery practice??? I've never been fortunate enough to be present at a breech birth but knowing the mechanisms and rules of hands off etc, think that we would all be capable of supporting mum to birth this baby herself. There is always senior staff on hand but perhaps that is where the problem lays? Just thinking out loud. I prey that I get to see this and vaginal twin birth before I retire. Kim ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 04/24/05 12:54:07 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ENDING GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MIDWIVES yes this was very much a planned breech birth. we have a breech-very keen obstetrician and there have been 4 at that hospital this week including 2 breech twins. (this one was actually caught by the MW with him in the room)the mum's attitude too, was such a huge part of it i think. she just thought 'why wouldnt i be able to birth her??' so she birthed her on the birth stool with no troubles :)what happened once in theatre kim? Kim Stead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:That sounds wonderful Emily. I 'assume' is was a known/planned breech birth?? The last one at our hospital was an undiagnosed multi who was fully, raced to theatre in order to 'save' mum and babe!! Arhh!! It is certainly a dying art. Kiwi Kim ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Date: 04/24/05 11:42:34 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ENDING GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MIDWIVES yepo mine is sent off too Jan.BTW, this morning at 5am i was at a lovely vaginal breech birth and a new little black haired girl came in to the world on the night of the full moon. this was the first breech baby i had seen born - except for videos! - and i was amazed how quick it all was. about 3 hrs 1st stage and 18 mins of pushing. and an 8 pound 5 girl.perfect!Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Hi Nicole and allI believe I wrote this letter some time ago. I am unsure where it has resurfaced from!!Tony Abbott embarrassed? Who cares.The update on the Medicare safety-net is.It was purely from Obstetricians hiking their fees (70% in 12 months!!) that blew the safety net out. So what does the responsible Howard Government do?Doe they rope in Obstetricians gross increase? NoThey punish the poorest Australian’s and increase the safety net from $300 to $500.Remember this 70% increase only represents care for 30% of Australian women (as that’s how man
Re: [ozmidwifery] Vaginal breech birth
You will Kim One day a little breech baby will seek you out and you'll be fine supporting it's mother. Make sure you all support this student and buy her a copy of Maggie Banks book Breech Birth Woman-Wise so she knows there is another way. Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 24 Apr, 2005, at 16:19, Kim Stead wrote: Hi again Not sure what happened in theatre as I only heard about it afterwards but it sounded pretty straight forward after the initial panic and getting to theatre before mum birthed her baby herself. What was really disappointing is the two people involved - a clinical nurse educator and student midwife. I don't blame the student at all but think someone supposedly experienced enough to be in a teaching role, should have known better and acted accordingly.. Afterwards the student was very overwhelmed and the nurse educator repeatedly kept saying, thank god we got her to theatre and saved her!!! I was completely speechless about the whole event. What message does this student take away from this situation and how will this affect her future midwifery practice??? I've never been fortunate enough to be present at a breech birth but knowing the mechanisms and rules of hands off etc, think that we would all be capable of supporting mum to birth this baby herself. There is always senior staff on hand but perhaps that is where the problem lays? Just thinking out loud. I prey that I get to see this and vaginal twin birth before I retire. Kim ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auDate: 04/24/05 12:54:07To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ENDING GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MIDWIVES yes this was very much a planned breech birth. we have a breech-very keen obstetrician and there have been 4 at that hospital this week including 2 breech twins. (this one was actually caught by the MW with him in the room) the mum's attitude too, was such a huge part of it i think. she just thought 'why wouldnt i be able to birth her??' so she birthed her on the birth stool with no troubles :) what happened once in theatre kim? Kim Stead <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: That sounds wonderful Emily. I 'assume' is was a known/planned breech birth?? The last one at our hospital was an undiagnosed multi who was fully, raced to theatre in order to 'save' mum and babe!! Arhh!! It is certainly a dying art. Kiwi Kim ---Original Message--- From: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auDate: 04/24/05 11:42:34To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] ENDING GOVERNMENT DISCRIMINATION AGAINST MIDWIVES yepo mine is sent off too Jan. BTW, this morning at 5am i was at a lovely vaginal breech birth and a new little black haired girl came in to the world on the night of the full moon. this was the first breech baby i had seen born - except for videos! - and i was amazed how quick it all was. about 3 hrs 1st stage and 18 mins of pushing. and an 8 pound 5 girl. perfect! Justine Caines <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi Nicole and all I believe I wrote this letter some time ago. I am unsure where it has resurfaced from!! Tony Abbott embarrassed? Who cares. The update on the Medicare safety-net is. It was purely from Obstetricians hiking their fees (70% in 12 months!!) that blew the safety net out. So what does the responsible Howard Government do? Doe they rope in Obstetricians gross increase? No They punish the poorest Australian’s and increase the safety net from $300 to $500. Remember this 70% increase only represents care for 30% of Australian women (as that’s how many private Obs care for). Rural women pay as taxpayers for Medicare to receive no service (within Cooee). While they subsidise Australia’s wealthiest speciali! sts a! nd women. So Tony Abbott has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to curb spending by Obs. I would hazard a guess that the majority of women accessing Private Ob services were not within the $300 safety net bracket anyway, they would of been in the higher $700 bracket. So this is an absolute JOKE, and Mr Abbott needs to know we are on to him. I think Fed Treasurer Costello needs a visit too!! Justine Justine Caines National President Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 105 MERRIWA NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65482248 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
