RE: [ozmidwifery] Dramatic women
Interestingly I had a doula client last night tell me all the things that were of concern for her with this (her first) birthpain of contractions, pain for pushing baby out and tearing.standard stuff really. The interesting thing however was we were discussing the ways to minimize these things or ways to alleviate the concerns and all things were midwifery skills. She has chosen a private OB. After a long discussion her hubby questioned why they need an OB anyway? She wants to labour and hopefully birth in water and the OB has said he doesnt think water is safe but is willing to let her try as long as she is closely monitored..? I agree that there is a great amount of drama created by certain care providers (some midwives included), and that women feed off this drama also. Another client was given an episi at the last minute because the mw could not detect a heart beat and the part of the birth those clients recall and pass on to everyone is that their baby almost died. It was dramatic at the time because of the way the situation was handled (heightened emotions and voices etc) but babe came out pink and screamingno drama at all reallyjust an amazing birth. This woman also had fear of tearing and I assured her that mw can offer support to the peri and minimize tearingwhat did the mw say? There is nothing anyone can do, if you are going to rip you will rip...I could have slapped her! As a doula it is something I am unable to do myself, but just knowing that there are things that can be done, it made me really angry.even if they are placebo and they allow the woman to relax then so be it! Grrr! Women should be told that midwives have skills that help them cope with pain, help them minimize peri trauma, help baby find the optimal positions and to come quicker (via active birth) and so forth. If they promote this then the women who want natural births might stop to think before going to an OB who is NOT skilled in these things. Just my 5 cents worth ;o) Jo -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 5/10/2005
RE: [ozmidwifery] Dramatic women
Title: Bericht This is a very interesting tread, but it is not what I see in my environnement. I do recognise much more in the stories Rachele tells. Young girls never heard good stories about birth anymore. They are totally unknown with pregnancy and birth and breastfeeding. All happens in a clinical atmosphere, almost like feelings have nothing to do with the proces of giving birth to new life. When a woman is pregnant, right away she has to tink about abnormalitys and to give in for tests. During pregnancy, most women have ten minutes appointments with the gyn who only looks at their bodys and what could possibly go wrong. At birth they have to fit in the agenda of the hospital, thy know nobody who will be with them at those important, but not always so easy hours. They don't have continuïty of care, they don't have one to one care and they are never told that birth is not so dangerous or doesn't need to be topainfull. In media they only see dramatic births. I think fear is our greatest ennemy, fear in the women, in their husbands, but most importantfear intheir caregivers who fear to be accused and sued and by the way they saw birth become dangerous through the years by all the interventions, they fear birth because it has become really dangerous. It is not the women who act drama in the beginning, it is their response in the drama they feel around them. What I see in the women we can take in midwifery care, one to one care and continuïty of care is that the fear they come up in the beginning disappears during the pregnancy and strong women and also men show up at birth and as parents. It is so beautifull to see this happens. I will give Gloria a mail that her point is spoken here. I think she will be glad to hear it and maybe she will take part in the conversation. warm greetings. Lieve Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477/740853 -Oorspronkelijk bericht-Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Mary MurphyVerzonden: zondag 15 mei 2005 2:07Aan: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auOnderwerp: [ozmidwifery] Dramatic women Below is an excerpt from the march Midwifery Today e-news. An interesting remark from Gloria LeMay, a very experienced midwife in USA started off the theme. What do others think? MM When I read Gloria's statement, "One of the reasons we have so much interference in North American birth right now is that young women are overly dramatic," I thought, "Oh thank you, Gloria, I have been saying the same thing for *years*!" As a doula, I think the number one demon I fight is drama. I am so surprised to see anyone in the birth field be surprised at that [Issue 7:3]. I thought everyone knew that most of obstetric intervention is driven by consumer demand and that much of the consumer demand is based on overly dramatic consumers. Do you not think for example that the high induction rate is largely based on dramatic women who simply "cannot be pregnant another week!" Do you not see that as overly dramatic? Do you not think that the high epidural rate might be affected by women who enter the hospital at 1 cm dilation and demand "Something for this pain? Is that not overly dramatic? Do you not think that the c-sec on demand debate is being fueled by young women begging their physicians to "just do the c-sec so I don't have to push something that big out of a space that small!" Is that not overly dramatic? I am constantly, gently reminding women that they are not the first woman to ever give birth and that no, it isn't the drama that they are portraying it to be. I try to get them to change their focus from thinking of it as dramatic to thinking of it as special. I think the difference is that each woman should think, "This is my special event and it will be beautiful" rather than "This is my ordeal and I have to get through it." Isn't it our jobs as doulas and midwives to educate women who have misguided views of birth? How can we do that if we can't even recognize misguided views? If you don't think young women today are overly dramatic, walk down the hall of LD at your local hospital. At a recent birth I stepped into the hall and could hear a woman dramatically crying from her room about how she could "still feel pain. Why isn't this epidural working?" When I contrast that with my client a few doors down who was calmly breathing through transition, focusing on her baby moving down, and thinking about her special event rather than how awful it is to be going through this "punishment," I am amazed at what education and level-headedness brings about. S. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.8 - Release Date: 10/05/2005 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus
[ozmidwifery] brisbane
Title: Bericht I have a question for all of you who are going to the ICM conference in Brisbane. I can't come, but two of my flemish colleagues will be there. They are the president and vice president of our midwifery organisation. I hope that they will meet a lot of you on the list , I value your opinions so much. Here in the flemish part of Belgium there is a lot of movement in the birthworld. More and more midwives see the value of fysiology, but there is a great lack of knowledge in fysiology. The schools are very influenced by the reality of the workfield where medical birth is still so high. So my question is, take my friends in the warmth of your midwifery arms. I hope they will bring great midwifery stories with them. Joanne, I gave them your mail adress and I hope that they will contact you. I thank you very much for that opportunity. warm hug Lieve Lieve Huybrechts vroedvrouw 0477/740853 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.11.10 - Release Date: 13/05/2005
[ozmidwifery] Midwives for Belmont Birthing Service
Hello colleagues, I'm writing to let you know about a wonderful opportunity for working in a way that enables you to journey as a midwife with women through their pregnancy, their birth and in the postnatal period. Not only do you get to work with women in a way you would like to, you also get to work with a fantastic group of midwives and live in one of the most beautiful and unsung cities in the world! Newcastle is a really lovely city - easy access to stunning beaches, lakes, forests, vineyards... lots of art and cafes. It is easy to make friends here, the schools are good. Beautiful! The weather is great too :-) I include the advertisement below that was in the Newcastle Herald (please excuse the title 'caseload' - childbearing women are not 'cases' and they are no 'load' to carry) in Saturday's paper 7.5.05. If you are interested, you can ring Central Recruitment at John Hunter Hospital (49213000 and ask for Central Recruitment) and ask for an application package. The applications close on Friday, 20th May, 2005. If you want the position description, please email me either [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] warmly, Carolyn HH 05/447 Caseload Midwife, Registered Midwife Permanent Full or Part Time positions plus the creation of an eligibility list for future permanent full and part time positions Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Belmont Birthing Service, Belmont Hosptial The dynamic and innovative nature of Belmont Birthing Services required midwives who are independent thinkers and clinicians, who are able to work effectively with a great team and demonstrate a broad range of midwifery skills, knowledge and communication skills to provide evidence based and appropriate care relevant to the woman's needs across the continuum of pregnancy, labour, birth and the postnatal period. Enquiries: Christine Osborne 49214390 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Rachele Meredith
Hi Rachele, I have been wanting to talk with you but seem to have lost your email address. Could you email me privately please? Thanks Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil
--- Hi Joanne, I have no experience with this method but spoke some months ago to a fellow Bmid student who came across it while on a clinical placement at a free standing birth centre in the Phillipines. Apparently the capsule is pierced then inserted into the vagina where the contents are squirted around the cervix, i'm not aure of dose etc but the student (Julie) is aporadically onlist I think so i'll text her and ask her to post more specific details. hope you have good luck with it! regards, miriam (2nd yr bmid fusa). Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Intro
I've just joined the list and live in Vancouver, BC Canada. Some of you know me from articles I've written for Midwifery Today Magazine or just from being a generally uppity, brazen woman. Lieve told me you were discussing the "drama in birth" thread and I have read the posts with interest. It's so elusive, isn't it, trying to describe what birth "is". It's very paradoxical a rites of passage, yet an ordinary day profound and spiritual yet down and dirty complex yet so simple intimate yet lonely and solitary painful yet pleasurable a huge accomplishment yet not of our doing Just when I think I know something about birth, something proves I know nothing once again. What afun profession to be in. I would hope that introducing the lens of "drama" to examining birth would lead not so much to pointing fingers of blame for what's wrong with birth but, rather, to each player owning their own need for drama and lightening up a bit about it.When I had my last baby, I learned a technique for "disappearing" pain and used it all through the birth process. I only had about 5 minutes when I thought "Gloria, you idiot, you knew it would feel like this, why are you here again?!" As soon as the baby was out, I had this huge wave of regret. . . . .I had had a painless birth and had no story to tell, oh dear. I realized what an idiot I was, of course. Who in their right mind would want a dramatic story over a smooth birth?? I share that story with other women so they can take a look at the inner need for a big story in their own lives. When we get these things out of the closet and into the light of day, we become more powerful. The only demons that control us are the ones within. As a birth attendant, too, I can see that I have a need to be a "saviour" and a 'hero" instead of a fly on the wall. Dramatic births are food for the insatiable ego. Learning to love the simple, silent arrivals with only a flickering, fleetingglance of gratitude from the woman transformed into mother. . . that is the quest of our spirits. I look forward to getting to know you on this list. Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC Canada
Re: [ozmidwifery] Intro
Welcome to the list Gloria. :-) On 16/05/2005, at 1:34 PM, Gloria Lemay wrote: I've just joined the list and live in Vancouver, BC Canada. Some of you know me from articles I've written for Midwifery Today Magazine or just from being a generally uppity, brazen woman. Lieve told me you were discussing the drama in birth thread and I have read the posts with interest. It's so elusive, isn't it, trying to describe what birth is. It's very paradoxical a rites of passage, yet an ordinary day profound and spiritual yet down and dirty complex yet so simple intimate yet lonely and solitary painful yet pleasurable a huge accomplishment yet not of our doing Just when I think I know something about birth, something proves I know nothing once again. What a fun profession to be in. I would hope that introducing the lens of drama to examining birth would lead not so much to pointing fingers of blame for what's wrong with birth but, rather, to each player owning their own need for drama and lightening up a bit about it. When I had my last baby, I learned a technique for disappearing pain and used it all through the birth process. I only had about 5 minutes when I thought Gloria, you idiot, you knew it would feel like this, why are you here again?! As soon as the baby was out, I had this huge wave of regret. . . . .I had had a painless birth and had no story to tell, oh dear. I realized what an idiot I was, of course. Who in their right mind would want a dramatic story over a smooth birth?? I share that story with other women so they can take a look at the inner need for a big story in their own lives. When we get these things out of the closet and into the light of day, we become more powerful. The only demons that control us are the ones within. As a birth attendant, too, I can see that I have a need to be a saviour and a 'hero instead of a fly on the wall. Dramatic births are food for the insatiable ego. Learning to love the simple, silent arrivals with only a flickering, fleeting glance of gratitude from the woman transformed into mother. . . that is the quest of our spirits. I look forward to getting to know you on this list. Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC Canada
Re: [ozmidwifery] Intro
Welcome Gloria! Kirsten BMid student midwife Darwin From: Gloria Lemay To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 1:04 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Intro I've just joined the list and live in Vancouver, BC Canada. Some of you know me from articles I've written for Midwifery Today Magazine or just from being a generally uppity, brazen woman. Lieve told me you were discussing the "drama in birth" thread and I have read the posts with interest. It's so elusive, isn't it, trying to describe what birth "is". It's very paradoxical a rites of passage, yet an ordinary day profound and spiritual yet down and dirty complex yet so simple intimate yet lonely and solitary painful yet pleasurable a huge accomplishment yet not of our doing Just when I think I know something about birth, something proves I know nothing once again. What afun profession to be in. I would hope that introducing the lens of "drama" to examining birth would lead not so much to pointing fingers of blame for what's wrong with birth but, rather, to each player owning their own need for drama and lightening up a bit about it.When I had my last baby, I learned a technique for "disappearing" pain and used it all through the birth process. I only had about 5 minutes when I thought "Gloria, you idiot, you knew it would feel like this, why are you here again?!" As soon as the baby was out, I had this huge wave of regret. . . . .I had had a painless birth and had no story to tell, oh dear. I realized what an idiot I was, of course. Who in their right mind would want a dramatic story over a smooth birth?? I share that story with other women so they can take a look at the inner need for a big story in their own lives. When we get these things out of the closet and into the light of day, we become more powerful. The only demons that control us are the ones within. As a birth attendant, too, I can see that I have a need to be a "saviour" and a 'hero" instead of a fly on the wall. Dramatic births are food for the insatiable ego. Learning to love the simple, silent arrivals with only a flickering, fleetingglance of gratitude from the woman transformed into mother. . . that is the quest of our spirits. I look forward to getting to know you on this list. Gloria Lemay, Vancouver, BC Canada
Fw: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil
Hi Mim and Joanne, I as Mim says I've seen evening primrose oil used to ripen the cx of post date women in the Philippines 40+1-2 weeks. What we did was pierce a hole in the gel capsule (one) and squirt the contence around high in the vagina. Either these overdue women would have gone into labour anyway, it was placebic/psychological or just another excuse to stir things up a bit I cant be sure of unless someone does the research. Seemed to work, no side that I saw. Sorry I cant be more specific, I have been meaning to look this up but haven't had the reason or opportunity since I've been back. I read the list every day and have done for several years now, I find this midwifery collective consciousness invaluable:) Look forward to what you uncover. Julie (3rd year BMid fusa) - Original Message - From: Miriam Hannay [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, May 16, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Evening primrose oil --- Hi Joanne, I have no experience with this method but spoke some months ago to a fellow Bmid student who came across it while on a clinical placement at a free standing birth centre in the Phillipines. Apparently the capsule is pierced then inserted into the vagina where the contents are squirted around the cervix, i'm not aure of dose etc but the student (Julie) is aporadically onlist I think so i'll text her and ask her to post more specific details. hope you have good luck with it! regards, miriam (2nd yr bmid fusa). Find local movie times and trailers on Yahoo! Movies. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Hi all, Has anyone used/advised evening primrose oil vaginally to ripen the cervix of overdue women? If so, what dose? Is the capsule of oil opened first or does it dissolve once inserted. Any studies done on this procedure at all? What are the possible side effects and hazards? How overdue do you recommend to use it? How often can it be inserted? What time of the day is best to insert it? I've heard that a tampon can be used to help keep it in place, is this so? Thanks heaps. Cheers Joanne -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
