[ozmidwifery] Re: twins birth story
Hi all, Some of you may remember me going on about trying to plan a vaginal twins birth. Babies are 8 weeks old now here's the full birth story. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15647 Kind Regards, Yvette Mum of 5 http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/t/twingirlslb/
Re: [ozmidwifery] Obs first visits
In Mareeba the women are booked under the Midwife's name. I guess it takes a long time to change. We are not rocking the boat right now as what we are doing is very different to what most of the rest of Qld does and we are just too happy to still be alive. Working with the OB's in Cairns is one of the conditions of our survival. Cheers Judy --- wump fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is very depressing to hear that even when women have midwifery-led care they either have to see a dr or have their notes reviewed by a dr. As midwives we are the experts in normal and competent at identifying when things are high risk or becoming abnormal. Why the hell do the drs waste their time 'checking' notes incase we have missed something? Is it because the women are booked under their name, therefore they think they are responsible for a stuff-up? In the UK low risk women were booked under their mw's name unless there were problems. We would get into serious trouble if we had missed something and it resulted in a poor outcome (very very rarely happened). Responsibility goes hand in hand with autonomy. Rachel _ Be the first to hear what's new at MSN - sign up to our free newsletters! http://www.msn.co.uk/newsletters -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Photos: Now with unlimited storage http://au.photos.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: twins birth story
Fantastic Yvette. I have been wondering a lot lately how you went. I wish you all the best for the future. Cheers Judy --- Lindsay Yvette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, Some of you may remember me going on about trying to plan a vaginal twins birth. Babies are 8 weeks old now here's the full birth story. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15647 Kind Regards, Yvette Mum of 5 http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/t/twingirlslb/ Do you Yahoo!? Find a local business fast with Yahoo! Local Search http://au.local.yahoo.com Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Movies: Check out the Latest Trailers, Premiere Photos and full Actor Database. http://au.movies.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: twins birth story
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: twins birth story Dear Yvette Your little ones look beautiful. Oh to have 2 girls! I am sorry you had all that intervention. I truly hope to avoid all of that in the next few weeks. I may need to chat to you for post-natal coping skills!! Kind regards Justine 34 weeks (twins no idea what, but I bet theres one boy!!)
Re: [ozmidwifery] looking for a midwife
Jan will email you off line SA - Original Message - From: Jan Ireland To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] looking for a midwife HI Sally-ann brown or those who know what is your e.mail address jan ireland - Original Message - From: Sally-Anne Brown To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:31 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] looking for a midwife Dear Jan If you would like to email me off the list I have a number of midwives details I am happy to provide you with. Kind Regards Sally-Anne (Brown) - Original Message - From: Jan Ireland To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, October 20, 2005 8:13 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] looking for a midwife dearest midwives i have a client who is now living in anglesea 4th baby other 3 born at home are there any mws doing homebirths please repl asap is 15 wks into preg now cheers jan No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.1/136 - Release Date: 15/10/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.1/136 - Release Date: 15/10/2005 No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Re: twins birth story
Congrats Yvette to you and your family kind regards Sally-Anne - Original Message - From: Lindsay Yvette To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 23, 2005 4:59 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Re: twins birth story Hi all, Some of you may remember me going on about trying to plan a vaginal twins birth. Babies are 8 weeks old now here's the full birth story. http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=15647 Kind Regards, Yvette Mum of 5 http://www.babiesonline.com/babies/t/twingirlslb/ No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005 No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.12.4/146 - Release Date: 21/10/2005
[ozmidwifery] 1st visits
Thankyou everyone who replied to my request on info for first visits. All of it was great an I hope the powers that be are intelligent enough to look further than our own area health service. Thanks again Sonja
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mackay
Thanks Michelle, will only be in Mackay on Fri and Sat (11-12 Nov) so will have to try my luck on the Friday. Thanks Di - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, October 22, 2005 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mackay Hi Di, I'm sure it will be fine for you to come and have a look through. The Birth Centre number is: 49 686404. Our appointment days are Tues-Thurs, but on Mon Fri we may or may not be there (doing home visits etc). Hope to catch up with you. Cheers Michellediane [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi to the Mackay Midwives, I am going to be in Mackay for a few days next month and wondering if I can come and see your Birth Centre. Any suggestions on who to contact to arrange this. I am interested in how different midwifery models arrange their work as we are trying to get a caseload model up and running at Wyong (near Gosford). My husband would love to move there too but Im not sure I could handle the humidity! Cheers, Di. Do you Yahoo!?Find a local business fast with Yahoo! Local Search
[ozmidwifery] Fw: Student Nurse Midwife
Please reply to Michelle [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you are able to help. - Original Message - Hi. My name is Michelle Munro and I am currently a registered nurse and student nurse midwife in the United States at the University of Michigan. I am writing regarding a possible student midwifery experience in Australia. During our final semester of midwifery school we complete an apprenticeship of sort where we work with a midwife about 40 hours a week based on her schedule. In the past, students have done a portion of this clinical work in other countries in order to gain a broader understanding of midwifery. The apprenticeship is for 3-4 months and I was hoping to complete a portion of this in Australia (maybe a month)in either February, March, or April. I was hoping that you could possibly help with my placement among the midwifery community. I would appreciate any assistance and/or guidance in this endeavor that you could provide. Thank you. Sincerely, Michelle Munro [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' gender
Sorry for cross posting... I have aclient who is due to give birth soonand shereally wants a baby of a particular genderbut the ultrasound has shown the baby to be the opposite.This ismuchmore than being a little disappointed and it doesnot appear to have eased over the course of the pregnancy. She has expressed concerns about how this may potentially affect her labour. She alsoexpresses enormous guilt over having these feelings when she already has healthy children, including one of this gender. She is also concerned about the effects her feelings/thoughts are having and will have on her baby's development. Assuming the ultrasound is correct, has anyone had experience of this either as a mother or care provider? Any words of wisdom? Thanks, Andrea Bilcliff
RE: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' gender
Andrea, I recall reading quite a good story on this topic - being disappointed with the sex of the baby - in Practical Parenting earlier this year. The editor wrote about it also in the editorial saying that what spawned the interest in taking on the subject was a lady who contacted her who was feeling awful because she found out she was having a girl when she wanted a boy. I had a search in my copies of the mag but couldn't find it. Perhaps you could contact the magazine and ask what issue it was in. It may help the woman you talk about to read about others with the same feelings and that it is not all that unusual to feel this way. cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Andrea Bilcliff" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: "Ozmidwifery" ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auCC: "Maternity Coalition Midwives" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' genderDate: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:08:55 +1000 Sorry for cross posting... I have aclient who is due to give birth soonand shereally wants a baby of a particular genderbut the ultrasound has shown the baby to be the opposite.This ismuchmore than being a little disappointed and it doesnot appear to have eased over the course of the pregnancy. She has expressed concerns about how this may potentially affect her labour. She alsoexpresses enormous guilt over having these feelings when she already has healthy children, including one of this gender. She is also concerned about the effects her feelings/thoughts are having and will have on her baby's development. Assuming the ultrasound is correct, has anyone had experience of this either as a mother or care provider? Any words of wisdom? Thanks, Andrea Bilcliff -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' gender
There have also been some threads (discussions) on this in the birth.com.au forums in the last 3 months, you can search and find them. - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 11:22 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' gender Andrea, I recall reading quite a good story on this topic - being disappointed with the sex of the baby - in Practical Parenting earlier this year. The editor wrote about it also in the editorial saying that what spawned the interest in taking on the subject was a lady who contacted her who was feeling awful because she found out she was having a girl when she wanted a boy. I had a search in my copies of the mag but couldn't find it. Perhaps you could contact the magazine and ask what issue it was in. It may help the woman you talk about to read about others with the same feelings and that it is not all that unusual to feel this way. cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Andrea Bilcliff" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: "Ozmidwifery" ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auCC: "Maternity Coalition Midwives" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' genderDate: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:08:55 +1000 Sorry for cross posting... I have aclient who is due to give birth soonand shereally wants a baby of a particular genderbut the ultrasound has shown the baby to be the opposite.This ismuchmore than being a little disappointed and it doesnot appear to have eased over the course of the pregnancy. She has expressed concerns about how this may potentially affect her labour. She alsoexpresses enormous guilt over having these feelings when she already has healthy children, including one of this gender. She is also concerned about the effects her feelings/thoughts are having and will have on her baby's development. Assuming the ultrasound is correct, has anyone had experience of this either as a mother or care provider? Any words of wisdom? Thanks, Andrea Bilcliff-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717
RE: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' gender
Andrea, I have written an article on this which may be of help. I have found people linking the article on Specific Gender forums around Australia many of them find it very helpful. Perhaps you can pass it onto her? http://bellybelly.com.au/articles/pregnancy/gender-disappointment Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Andrea Bilcliff Sent: Monday, 24 October 2005 11:09 AM To: Ozmidwifery Cc: Maternity Coalition Midwives Subject: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' gender Sorry for cross posting... I have aclient who is due to give birth soonand shereally wants a baby of a particular genderbut the ultrasound has shown the baby to be the opposite.This ismuchmore than being a little disappointed and it doesnot appear to have eased over the course of the pregnancy. She has expressed concerns about how this may potentially affect her labour. She alsoexpresses enormous guilt over having these feelings when she already has healthy children, including one of this gender. She is also concerned about the effects her feelings/thoughts are having and will have on her baby's development. Assuming the ultrasound is correct, has anyone had experience of this either as a mother or care provider? Any words of wisdom? Thanks, Andrea Bilcliff
RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
Hi Jenny, Is it that intervention is more common in the management of these women, particularly if ART has resulted in a multiple pregnancy? Intervention can interfere with the initiation of lactation for a number of reasons, as you would be aware. Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jenny CameronSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:08 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
Thanks Nicole. This is longer term lactation failure. ie week 4 after birth and still only 20 mls per feed or _expression_, if that! Very odd. Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi Jenny, Is it that intervention is more common in the management of these women, particularly if ART has resulted in a multiple pregnancy? Intervention can interfere with the initiation of lactation for a number of reasons, as you would be aware. Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jenny CameronSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:08 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/70 - Release Date: 29/09/2005
Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
I wonder if this woman has had reasonable breast growth as a teenager, if she was particularly skinny, dieted heaps etc or some sort of breast trauma? Belinda Jenny Cameron wrote: Thanks Nicole. This is longer term lactation failure. ie week 4 after birth and still only 20 mls per feed or expression, if that! Very odd. Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 - Original Message - *From:* Nicole Carver mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2005 12:42 PM *Subject:* RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi Jenny, Is it that intervention is more common in the management of these women, particularly if ART has resulted in a multiple pregnancy? Intervention can interfere with the initiation of lactation for a number of reasons, as you would be aware. Nicole. -Original Message- *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of *Jenny Cameron *Sent:* Monday, October 24, 2005 12:08 PM *To:* ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au *Subject:* [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACM President NT branch ACMI PO Box 1465 Howard Springs NT 0835 08 8983 1926 0419 528 717 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/70 - Release Date: 29/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART
So if the management of these women have been the same, do we look to a hormonal cause? Perhaps related to why ART became necessary in the first place. I wonder if there is still a hyperstimulation of the ovaries. Are these women ovulating/menstruating? I will sit back and watch this thread with interest. Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jenny CameronSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 1:35 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Thanks Nicole. This is longer term lactation failure. ie week 4 after birth and still only 20 mls per feed or _expression_, if that! Very odd. Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 - Original Message - From: Nicole Carver To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:42 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi Jenny, Is it that intervention is more common in the management of these women, particularly if ART has resulted in a multiple pregnancy? Intervention can interfere with the initiation of lactation for a number of reasons, as you would be aware. Nicole. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Jenny CameronSent: Monday, October 24, 2005 12:08 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Lactation after ART Hi all Does anyone have information on the effect on human lactation of assisted reproductive technology? I am noticing a lot of poor lactation among women who have had a baby by ART. A lot of women seem to be on Domperidone these days at the best of times?? Anyone else experiencing these phenomena? It does make sense that if the woman's hormonal milieau is such that reproduction needs hormonal assistance then lactation is likely to also??? Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.11.9/70 - Release Date: 29/09/2005
RE: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' gender
Dear Andrea, Over my 30+ years of a midwife, I remember 2 births that were influenced by the ultrasound reports. The first was mother to be of her 5th boy, turned out to be a girl so result was happiness all round! The second event was a mother having 2nd baby, first was a boy and ultrasound said this one would be a girl. Over the labour, mother and support people talked about the nursery being newly painted pink, girls names chosen, grandma had jewellery engraved with this name etc. Baby was a boy! The atmosphere in the birth room was one of shock, mum took a couple of hours to just hold her new baby! I felt incredibly sad for this baby and family but the next day all (at least on the surface!) seemed ok. I think the baby was being bottle fed, though this was decided before the birth. Barbara Stokes -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Andrea Bilcliff Sent: Monday, 24 October 2005 11:09 AM To: Ozmidwifery Cc: Maternity Coalition Midwives Subject: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' gender Sorry for cross posting... I have aclient who is due to give birth soonand shereally wants a baby of a particular genderbut the ultrasound has shown the baby to be the opposite.This ismuchmore than being a little disappointed and it doesnot appear to have eased over the course of the pregnancy. She has expressed concerns about how this may potentially affect her labour. She alsoexpresses enormous guilt over having these feelings when she already has healthy children, including one of this gender. She is also concerned about the effects her feelings/thoughts are having and will have on her baby's development. Assuming the ultrasound is correct, has anyone had experience of this either as a mother or care provider? Any words of wisdom? Thanks, Andrea Bilcliff
[ozmidwifery] wrong gender
Andrea, This year I've had one woman who dearly wanted a girl. The ultrasound was inconclusive, and she spent many hours agonizing over the gender of this baby. Finally shehad some NET work doneby her chiropractor which helped resolve the issue. Rather than saying, 'its a this, deal with it', getting counseling, or looking for tools to help deal with the feelings of guilt, loss, grief, love and anger can often be of great use to the woman. Robyn Dempsey
