Re: [ozmidwifery] Antibiotics and Ceasars
Here in Colac, the women have a once only dose of 1g rocephin intra op then nothing else unless a problem arises., Pauline - Original Message - From: Dorothy Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Com. Au ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:21 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Antibiotics and Ceasars I have a question to put out to you all, I would just like to know what your expereiences are with IV antibiotics and women who have had a C/S as at the hospital in which I work the OB's current trend is to put women who have had Ceasars either elective or emergency on triple AB's for three to five days. The Regieme includes Daily Gentamicin usually 240 mg, Cehpazolin 2g TDS or QID and Flagyl 500 mg TDS, this is usually for 3 Days then they go onto oral Flagyl400mg TDS and oral Cephalexin or sometimes Amoxicilin for a further five to ten days. These are women who are well and healthy who have no real indication for AB's except that they have had surgery,well thats the OB's excuse anyway. So would just like to know what other units are practicing in regards to this and thank you in advance for any feed back you can give me. Regards Dorothy Thomas Midwife -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Mother friendly hospitals
Barbara Chris wrote: be flexible enough for staff to take the baby for a while if needed - carrying in a sling is great modelling for the mum and keeps baby calm, or dad or grandma can help out. Isn't this what we are talking about ?Sharing the load ? If Mum requests help so she can get 3 hours uninterrupted sleep can't we as MW wear the papoose give her a break ? This is mother baby friendly. No one says mother baby aren't a unit but forcing women to do things they aren't comfortable with is not informed choice or any other kind of choice either is it? How is that different from the OB who insists birth should happen in the dorsal because it's better for his back ? Time time again I tuck babies in with Mums overnight snug them down together so they can be a unit an unsettled baby will sleep. Usually within the hour (just as the babe is nicely settled) the Mum buzzes asks for the baby to be put in his cot now, I'm afraid of rolling on him because the SIDS brochure says. . It is not lack of prenatal ed either before someone throws that one in ! It's plain maternal choice ( plus the huge fear factor SIDS has engendered re co-sleeping). If I can manage to persuade her otherwise ie she won't kill her babe by co-sleeping if she follows these recommended guidelines then in the morning most of the woman state that they didn't sleep a wink, I was very uncomfortable anxious with the baby in bed with me. These are double beds of normal height I might add. So we do try to keep mothers babies as units but to force the issue is not right the women complain to the NUM ! Occasionally women love it. They express this happily thank the staff for showing them how to B/F lying down safely co-sleep (against hosp policy). So whilst baby friendly is great in theory some mothers just don't want to be that way ! Like it or not ! If we cannot help her out then it's tough on the mother, that's the bottom line it's the way she perceives it to be. After all it's not about you me and what we think or believe is right,( I had 4 B/F co-sleepers of my own) it's about her what she feels wants isn't it ? I can tell a woman till I'm blue that delaying her initial shower to allow time for: she doesn't need to rush off straight away and have a shower - there'll be time for that later. Her baby needs to smell her familiar smell and get to know his mum (and breastfeed) BUT if she doesn't want to do it, I am not going to make her, that is assault/restraint ! That makes me no better than all the other prescriptive people in her pregnancy doesn't it ? Sometimes we just have to accept that whilst we see the truth one way, others see it another !! There is no one way ! With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 6:03 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mother friendly hospitals Hi, I really disagree that baby friendly hospitals are OK for the baby but tough on the mother. And if your baby friendly hospital is tough on the mother, then you should be looking at why - because it shouldn't be that way. The newborn mother and baby are a unit. They both surely need to be cared for as though they were one. I think it's part of the problem of society that mothers and babies are pitted against each other almost from birth. Mothers and babies are both usually happier and calmer when together. If a mother is of the believe that she needs the baby away from her to rest, a common enough belief in our society, maybe all that needs to happen is a little empathy and good explanations from the staff I know you are tired, but what we find is that mothers and babies actually rest better when they rest together. Just like you would explain to a mum that she doesn't need to rush off straight away and have a shower - there'll be time for that later. Her baby needs to smell her familiar smell and get to know his mum (and breastfeed) Surely hospitals can be flexible enough for staff to take the baby for a while if needed - carrying in a sling is great modelling for the mum and keeps baby calm, or dad or grandma can help out. For every mother I hear when I'm assessing baby friendly hopitals who say they would have liked a nursery, I hear many, many more whom the staff told that they must be tired and they would take the baby so the mother could rest - the mothers lay unsleeping and rigid in their beds, worrying if that baby they could hear crying was their baby. Barb - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 12:27 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Mother friendly hospitals Wouldn't it ? I always say baby - friendly is OK for the baby but often it's really tough on the mothers. We ought to be able to do service to
Re: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified!
Amanda wrote: Perhaps it might be suggested that women should have an advocate in with them whenever the have to speak to these OBs either a midwife or someone like that, then maybe those OB's might choose their words a little more carefully !! FANTASTIC IDEA !! Take a doula / witness / advocate/ anyone who will support you. Your story made me cry Amanda !! To be treated so badly have no one to share it with, but still go on to triumph! You deserve a medal to have managed to birth at all ! With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Synnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified! I cried when I read what your lady from Melbourne wrote. Just remembering the way a horrible doctor spoke to me when I was very pregnant with my third who also happened to be a VBAC. Had to see a doctor because it was hospital policy, they had to okay my natural birth decision before I could go ahead with it. My Doula was away and couldn't come to the appointment. His total negative attitude and the fact that he spoke to the inturn rather than to me as if I wasn't even in the room, made my blood boil. Then he decided he guessed they could let me trial labour. God did I wanted to slap him and slap him hard!!! But instead I said thankyou like a good little girl and drove myself home crying uncontrollably all the way (had to go to the hair dressers for app. right away). Composed myself and walked in, made excuses for my puffy eyes (hayfever), when all I wanted to do was scream my head off and rant about this bloody doctor but couldn't. I was so humiliated, felt like such an idiot and thought of all the great stuff I should have said to the doctors face, but because it was standing up for my own rights didn't say a word. Anyway my trial labour turned into a beautiful natural birth, no drugs, no cut, no interference by doctors ( I allowed one to stick a needle in my arm and that was it) birthed with a midwife, student midwife, my husband and my wonderful Doula. On my knees gripping onto my husbands shoulders, with a beautiful baby boy weighing 4540g (yes I have big babies and it can be done!). I hope as a midwife to give every birthing mother that kind of powerful birth (no matter what way the birth ends up), I felt so loved, so cared for, so safe and so empowered there was no question I wanted to do it again. Which by the way I am for the 4th time in May next year. I get so sick of hearing how women are treated by OB's when during pregnancy alot of them are very vulnerable and open to suggestion especially when it come to the OB giving them half truths in regards to what is best for them and their baby. Perhaps it might be suggested that women should have an advocate in with them whenever the have to speak to these OBs either a midwife or someone like that, then maybe those OB's might choose their words a little more carefully!! Sorry! Wow a bit of a rant there! Amanda - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified! Thanks everyone for your thoughts and replies, it was a huge shock to me but I guess, sadly, that many of you are well used to this. I haven't heard from the woman since Saturday so chances are she's gone into labour. I pray it all went as well as she hoped. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cheryl LHK Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 1:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified! Yes, she can turn up to any public hospital with midwifery services and not be turned away. Tell her to have a copy of antenatal paperwork she has (if she has it!!) and the midwives at the hospital can ring her orginal booking hospital and get any records/pathology faxed over - or at least that has happened to us in the past. This is the sort of obs who needs a complaint written about him!! But it will turn into a he said, she said situation. If she goes back to him, take another person with her!! Cheryl From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified! Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 15:44:48 +1100 One of the girls in my forums here in Melbourne just posted this - no wonder she seemed upset when I saw her yesterday - I had no idea at the time: I have just had the worst night of my life, and its taken me 3 hours to stop crying uncontrollably. My Dr, who I've been seeing
RE: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified!
Made YOU cry Brenda! I was her doula who was so rudely interstate at the time !!! Amanda's story made me cry that I wasn’t able to be with her Amanda is right though, she did birth AMAZINGLY! Go Girl! Love Jo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of brendamanning Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 8:53 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified! Amanda wrote: Perhaps it might be suggested that women should have an advocate in with them whenever the have to speak to these OBs either a midwife or someone like that, then maybe those OB's might choose their words a little more carefully !! FANTASTIC IDEA !! Take a doula / witness / advocate/ anyone who will support you. Your story made me cry Amanda !! To be treated so badly have no one to share it with, but still go on to triumph! You deserve a medal to have managed to birth at all ! With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Synnes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, November 23, 2005 4:59 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified! I cried when I read what your lady from Melbourne wrote. Just remembering the way a horrible doctor spoke to me when I was very pregnant with my third who also happened to be a VBAC. Had to see a doctor because it was hospital policy, they had to okay my natural birth decision before I could go ahead with it. My Doula was away and couldn't come to the appointment. His total negative attitude and the fact that he spoke to the inturn rather than to me as if I wasn't even in the room, made my blood boil. Then he decided he guessed they could let me trial labour. God did I wanted to slap him and slap him hard!!! But instead I said thankyou like a good little girl and drove myself home crying uncontrollably all the way (had to go to the hair dressers for app. right away). Composed myself and walked in, made excuses for my puffy eyes (hayfever), when all I wanted to do was scream my head off and rant about this bloody doctor but couldn't. I was so humiliated, felt like such an idiot and thought of all the great stuff I should have said to the doctors face, but because it was standing up for my own rights didn't say a word. Anyway my trial labour turned into a beautiful natural birth, no drugs, no cut, no interference by doctors ( I allowed one to stick a needle in my arm and that was it) birthed with a midwife, student midwife, my husband and my wonderful Doula. On my knees gripping onto my husbands shoulders, with a beautiful baby boy weighing 4540g (yes I have big babies and it can be done!). I hope as a midwife to give every birthing mother that kind of powerful birth (no matter what way the birth ends up), I felt so loved, so cared for, so safe and so empowered there was no question I wanted to do it again. Which by the way I am for the 4th time in May next year. I get so sick of hearing how women are treated by OB's when during pregnancy alot of them are very vulnerable and open to suggestion especially when it come to the OB giving them half truths in regards to what is best for them and their baby. Perhaps it might be suggested that women should have an advocate in with them whenever the have to speak to these OBs either a midwife or someone like that, then maybe those OB's might choose their words a little more carefully!! Sorry! Wow a bit of a rant there! Amanda - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, November 21, 2005 11:54 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified! Thanks everyone for your thoughts and replies, it was a huge shock to me but I guess, sadly, that many of you are well used to this. I haven't heard from the woman since Saturday so chances are she's gone into labour. I pray it all went as well as she hoped. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cheryl LHK Sent: Monday, 21 November 2005 1:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Absolutely horrified! Yes, she can turn up to any public hospital with midwifery services and not be turned away. Tell her to have a copy of antenatal paperwork she has (if she has it!!) and the midwives at the hospital can ring her orginal booking hospital and get any records/pathology faxed over - or at least that has happened to us in the past. This is the sort of obs who needs a complaint written about him!! But it will turn into a he said, she said situation. If she goes back to him, take another person with her!!
RE: [ozmidwifery] Antibiotics and Ceasars
To Judy thanks for you kind words, I am finally leaving the Isa off to Townsville haven't got a job yet but hope to get a position in Mid. so I can practice some of my newly learned skill, but apparently they have a full complement of staff at the moment, if not I have applied for a job in NICCU hope to get something. Regards Dot -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy ChapmanSent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 4:21 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Antibiotics and Ceasars We used to do 3 doses of Keflin but that has ceased not. I think the anaesthetist, depending on who it is, just gives a one off dose of cephtriaxone nowdays. CheersJudyPS Hi Dot, good to see you progressing on, hope all is going well. Dorothy Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question to put out to you all, I would just like to know what yourexpereiences are with IV antibiotics and women who have had a C/S as at thehospital in which I work the OB's current trend is to put women who have hadCeasars either elective or emergency on triple AB's for three to five days.The Regieme includes Daily Gentamicin usually 240 mg, Cehpazolin 2g TDS orQID and Flagyl 500 mg TDS, this is usually for 3 Days then they go onto oralFlagyl400mg TDS and oral Cephalexin or sometimes Amoxicilin for a furtherfive to ten days. These are women who are well and healthy who have no realindication for AB's except that they have had surgery,well thats the OB'sexcuse anyway. So would just like to know what other units are practicingin regards to this and thank you in advance for any feed back you can giveme.RegardsDorothy ThomasMidwife--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Do you Yahoo!?Find a local business fast with Yahoo! Local Search
RE: [ozmidwifery] Antibiotics and Caesars
Apparently Dot the Nicu is down 17 staff members at present. Should be able to get work there. Let me know when you get here if you would like to join Friends of the Birth Centre or meet the consumers behind it. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Providing Informational, Physical Emotional Support during Pregnancy, Child Birth the Newborn time. President of the Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dorothy Thomas Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 9:39 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Antibiotics and Ceasars To Judy thanks for you kind words, I am finally leaving the Isa off to Townsville haven't got a job yet but hope to get a position in Mid. so I can practice some of my newly learned skill, but apparently they have a full complement of staff at the moment, if not I have applied for a job in NICCU hope to get something. Regards Dot -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy Chapman Sent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 4:21 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Antibiotics and Ceasars We used to do 3 doses of Keflin but that has ceased not. I think the anaesthetist, depending on who it is, just gives a one off dose of cephtriaxone nowdays. Cheers Judy PS Hi Dot, good to see you progressing on, hope all is going well. Dorothy Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question to put out to you all, I would just like to know what your expereiences are with IV antibiotics and women who have had a C/S as at the hospital in which I work the OB's current trend is to put women who have had Ceasars either elective or emergency on triple AB's for three to five days. The Regieme includes Daily Gentamicin usually 240 mg, Cehpazolin 2g TDS or QID and Flagyl 500 mg TDS, this is usually for 3 Days then they go onto oral Flagyl400mg TDS and oral Cephalexin or sometimes Amoxicilin for a further five to ten days. These are women who are well and healthy who have no real indication for AB's except that they have had surgery,well thats the OB's excuse anyway. So would just like to know what other units are practicing in regards to this and thank you in advance for any feed back you can give me. Regards Dorothy Thomas Midwife -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Do you Yahoo!? Find a local business fast with Yahoo! Local Search
Re: [ozmidwifery] rooming in
Hi Brenda, Fully agree with you I have no problems taking babies to the nursery at night for mums that are totally exausted and giving them that little break they need .Wrap the babies up, put some Mozart on the CD player and they will often sleep for hours .Then change them and take them out for a feed when they wake or mums can come to the nursery and have a cuppa and chat with other mums that are up doing the same thing .Mums are encouraged to feed in the nursery at night were we have nice comfortable recliner chairs and it doesnt disturb the other mums in there room .There is a lot of communication goes on between the multis and primips when they get together to feed .We also have a video player in the nursery were they can watch videos like Follow me mum etc. Its also interesting to notice how much better the mothers are in themselves and with their bubs after those few hours of sleep. Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/21/05 11:27 am I work some night duty in a small unit if mothers ask me to 'mind' their babies take them back for feeds overnight then I do, willingly. I'm heavily into nurturing women, odd eh ?? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Antibiotics and Caesars
Thanks for the invite will contact you when I get settled. Regards Dot -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Philippa ScottSent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 10:38 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Antibiotics and Caesars Apparently Dot the Nicu is down 17 staff members at present. Should be able to get work there. Let me know when you get here if you would like to join Friends of the Birth Centre or meet the consumers behind it. Cheers Philippa Scott Birth Buddies - Doula Providing Informational, Physical Emotional Support during Pregnancy, Child Birth the Newborn time. President of the Friends of the Birth Centre Townsville From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dorothy ThomasSent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 9:39 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Antibiotics and Ceasars To Judy thanks for you kind words, I am finally leaving the Isa off to Townsville haven't got a job yet but hope to get a position in Mid. so I can practice some of my newly learned skill, but apparently they have a full complement of staff at the moment, if not I have applied for a job in NICCU hope to get something. Regards Dot -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Judy ChapmanSent: Wednesday, 23 November 2005 4:21 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Antibiotics and Ceasars We used to do 3 doses of Keflin but that has ceased not. I think the anaesthetist, depending on who it is, just gives a one off dose of cephtriaxone nowdays. CheersJudyPS Hi Dot, good to see you progressing on, hope all is going well. Dorothy Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a question to put out to you all, I would just like to know what yourexpereiences are with IV antibiotics and women who have had a C/S as at thehospital in which I work the OB's current trend is to put women who have hadCeasars either elective or emergency on triple AB's for three to five days.The Regieme includes Daily Gentamicin usually 240 mg, Cehpazolin 2g TDS orQID and Flagyl 500 mg TDS, this is usually for 3 Days then they go onto oralFlagyl400mg TDS and oral Cephalexin or sometimes Amoxicilin for a furtherfive to ten days. These are women who are well and healthy who have no realindication for AB's except that they have had surgery,well thats the OB'sexcuse anyway. So would just like to know what other units are practicingin regards to this and thank you in advance for any feed back you can giveme.RegardsDorothy ThomasMidwife--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Do you Yahoo!?Find a local business fast with Yahoo! Local Search
Re: [ozmidwifery] rooming in
Lyle, I still hear from women I have met in the community birth unit years later ( I mean 16 - 17 years later ) that those women feel that some of the best most supportive friendships they've ever formed were over those peaceful night feeds with a cup of tea in the company of other women doing what women all over the world do so well together: mother each other ! With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Lyle Burgoyne [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, November 24, 2005 1:49 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] rooming in Hi Brenda, Fully agree with you I have no problems taking babies to the nursery at night for mums that are totally exausted and giving them that little break they need .Wrap the babies up, put some Mozart on the CD player and they will often sleep for hours .Then change them and take them out for a feed when they wake or mums can come to the nursery and have a cuppa and chat with other mums that are up doing the same thing .Mums are encouraged to feed in the nursery at night were we have nice comfortable recliner chairs and it doesnt disturb the other mums in there room .There is a lot of communication goes on between the multis and primips when they get together to feed .We also have a video player in the nursery were they can watch videos like Follow me mum etc. Its also interesting to notice how much better the mothers are in themselves and with their bubs after those few hours of sleep. Lyle [EMAIL PROTECTED] 11/21/05 11:27 am I work some night duty in a small unit if mothers ask me to 'mind' their babies take them back for feeds overnight then I do, willingly. I'm heavily into nurturing women, odd eh ?? -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Breeched baby
My baby was breech and I believe it happened for a number of reasons. First, my posture was pretty bad. Second, my lifestyle was mainly sedentiary. Third, I had this lovely chair in which I could lean back and relax, so I hardly spent any time leaning forward while awake. Fourth, we were always taught to tuck put stomacks in and straighten our backs, so my stomach was rarely relaxed and when it was, it was in the wrong direction :). Only after giving birth did I come up to the great advice for relaxing those muscles during birth and that was to imagine that youre 10 months pregnant. I often remember this advice when I have a period and it really takes away the pain. And last, I was afraid not of the birth, but of the after birth I didnt know if I was going to be able to be a good mother and this was really important to me to be a good mother. Anyway, I had an ECV (shining light to the baby, talking to it and lifting my pelvis didnt do it) and it was the less of two evils in my opinion the only other alternative offered was CS. I heard later on about the moxa sticks. That would be something Id try before ECV if I were in the same situation again. Probably also hypnosis if it were available. Vedrana From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Diane Gardner Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 12:26 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breeched baby Hi Madelaine In my experience I have found that the mothers of babies who are breech usually have something going on in their lives or fear of something in relation to birth. The babies have their heads close to the mum's heart for comfort knowing that something is not right with her. We have successfully turned many babies with hypnosis. A study done in the USA on 2 groups of 100 women where inthe 1st group where nothing was done 26% of the babies turned while in the hypnosis group 84% turned. Babies know when you talk to them and also maybe the mum needs some further reassurance that all is OK in her world. I have had them commence to turn while in my office and certainly many where arms and legs are going everyehere. I personally do not agree with the hands on approach. Babies are breech for a reason andI believe that ifthey don't turn by thermselves then don't mess with nature. regards Diane Gardner - Original Message - From: Madelaine Akras To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breeched baby Sonja, the lady who currently has a breech baby does have a OB or a referal to someone who will preform and ECV. Madelaine - Original Message - From: Sonja Barry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2005 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Breeched baby do you live near an Ob who will perform an ECV? ' Sonja
