Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Justine, Yes the formula and baby food industry is a giant to be reconned with. But there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I provide editorial services to www.essentialbaby.com.au and there was recently a huge outcry over an advertisement saying formula would help solve sleep problems - so much so that the ad was pulled overnight. EB is a fairly powerful force in the parent/consumer world so this has made a few waves. The only way we are going to get the big companies to tow the line is by legislating and that is as likely to happen as is the banning of bullbars! So while they can get away with it they will go on doing so. However it is my experience that it is worth having a go and in order to get the message out to parentsit is better to play with the big boys rather than against them. If I was writing a book on such a subject I would be taking a practical approach that gave parents lots of strategies. Last year I wrote a book on baby food with a nutritionist which was subtitled - recipes and practical information for feeding babies and toddlers. We included a section on why babies don't need juice, another on commercial baby foods -and whythey are not essentialand another on how to read labels...The book looks good and the message is 'you can feed your baby simply and easily and here's how, beginningwith breast milk for at least 6 months'. The other problem is that of finding a publisher - we were asked to write this book by Murdoch Books. I think I remember that Maureen Minchin had to self-publish in the beginning?Yes NHMRC has Infant Feeding Guidelines, though the website says they are currently under review. Thanks for the reference to the article in the Ecologist. Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol and allVery interesting re the global perspective.What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol??Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I cant rememberDoesnt matter that most babies cant sit up then!!When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered.Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologisthttp://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/Well worth a lookJustine CainesNational Policy Co-ordinatorMaternity Coalition IncPO Box 625SCONE NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65453612Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.maternitycoalition.org.au
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Rx for PIH at 36/40
It depends on the severity of the PIH. Magnesium therapy has only a minor effect of BP, it is used to reduce the risk of fitting so is started when there is hyper-reflexivity (jumpiness) usually with deteriorating renal and/or liver function. There is a regime where I work, email me offlist if you want further particulars. It requires specialling, we get an ICU nurse for that part. Not because the Mg therapy is dangerous but because the woman's condition is usually at risk of serious deterioration by that point and we are not really fitted for detecting/ managing multi system failure (and don't want to be- if we did we'd be acute care nurses.) For more run of the mill PIH at 36 weeks we check blood values as indicated, use antihypertensives if necessary to prolong the pregnancy as long as possible and fetal movement charts and umbilical flow studies to assess fetal wellbeing and placental sufficiency; most mothers manage to get to term and labour and birth spontaneously. Is that what you're after? Monica - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:02 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Rx for PIH at 36/40 What is the usual Rx for PIH at this stage? I have heard about magnesium therapy - can anyone give me some dosage ideas? How is the Mg administered? What form is the Mg (phosphate/sulphate etc?) Thanks, K -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Carol, Your book sounds great. Sometimes I think I have to set up my own Publishing company in Finland and start to publish good books on birth, breastfeeding and positive parenting. We just don't have any good reads in our language. If your books is as good as it sounds I would love to sell it in my store, even if it was only in english. So, is it getting published?? Päivi - Original Message - From: Carol Fallows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Justine, Yes the formula and baby food industry is a giant to be reconned with. But there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I provide editorial services to www.essentialbaby.com.au and there was recently a huge outcry over an advertisement saying formula would help solve sleep problems - so much so that the ad was pulled overnight. EB is a fairly powerful force in the parent/consumer world so this has made a few waves. The only way we are going to get the big companies to tow the line is by legislating and that is as likely to happen as is the banning of bullbars! So while they can get away with it they will go on doing so. However it is my experience that it is worth having a go and in order to get the message out to parentsit is better to play with the big boys rather than against them. If I was writing a book on such a subject I would be taking a practical approach that gave parents lots of strategies. Last year I wrote a book on baby food with a nutritionist which was subtitled - recipes and practical information for feeding babies and toddlers. We included a section on why babies don't need juice, another on commercial baby foods -and whythey are not essentialand another on how to read labels...The book looks good and the message is 'you can feed your baby simply and easily and here's how, beginningwith breast milk for at least 6 months'. The other problem is that of finding a publisher - we were asked to write this book by Murdoch Books. I think I remember that Maureen Minchin had to self-publish in the beginning?Yes NHMRC has Infant Feeding Guidelines, though the website says they are currently under review. Thanks for the reference to the article in the Ecologist. Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol and allVery interesting re the global perspective.What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol??Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I cant rememberDoesnt matter that most babies cant sit up then!!When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered.Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologisthttp://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/Well worth a lookJustine CainesNational Policy Co-ordinatorMaternity Coalition IncPO Box 625SCONE NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65453612Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]www.maternitycoalition.org.au
RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
I was curious as to what age solids are introduced. As I said, my eldest 3 had solids from about 3 months or so, and no problems. The youngest at about 9 mths, and all sorts of probs getting her to not only eat, but to try to eat. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Carol FallowsSent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 10:53 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Kelly, In the 1930s babies were not weaned onto solids until they were around eight or nine months and it was a slow process -many were also weaned onto cow's milk at this age. Up until the 1970s it was thought that once a baby had teeth he should be put on the bottle. Weaning onto solids only became a big issue as society became more prosperous after the second world war. It is very interesting to go through some of the old baby books - Spock, early Penelope Leach, Penny Stanway, Christopher Green - it becomes apparent that their attitude to breastfeeding is probably one of the main reasons why babies were not breastfed, why weaning onto solids was introduced far too early and why commercial baby food became 'essential'. On the subject of other cultures, in many Asian countries babies are weaned onto rice foods such as congee which is sieved and mixed with lentil juice, in Africa first food is also rice or maize porridge and in South America it is traditionally corn and potatoes.It seems obvious that babies are weaned onto whatever the staple food is (and quite often it is rice which coincidentally is considered to be the least likely to lead to allergies) . Hope that's helpful Carol Fallows - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Kelly, I can'r remember of any studies now, but the book "Rediscovering Birth" by Sheila Kitzinger (I think it was in that one) has interesting information how in different countries we use very different foods to start solids. In Finland the first solids have traditionally been potato and carrot! and banana and brunes.In US it's rice cereal. but it differs a lot between cultures. Too bad I can't remember the rest. I would love to get a copy of your article, when it's ready. Päivi - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospital
Hi Kristin, Just in case Lynne doesn't get back to you in time, I think she is talking about Dana Fraser who mainly does homebirth support to my knowledge. She is a very lovely woman with a lot of expertise around birth support. Her contact details are: Ph 07 544 70525. If she is not doing hospital support she will know of other doulas in the area that will. Warm regards Penny - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 11:59 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospital Hi Lynne...just chasing some details for the Doula you mentioned (Dana) for the Nambour Hospital.. I will seeing the coupel again tomorrow..Thanks alot, Kristin. From: "Kristin Beckedahl" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospitalDate: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 10:07:14 +0800 Thanks LynneI'll await more info:-) From: "Lynne Staff" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospitalDate: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:00:56 +1000 There is a lovely doula called Dana up here. I will get her number for your friends. Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 9:15 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula for nambour hospital I have a couple moving back to Qld (sunshinecoast) from WA, and it looks af it Nambour hospital (pub or priv) will be where they are planning to birth. They REALLY want to get a doula for the birth.can anyone recommend anyone? Big thanks, K.-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Hi, I always get a giggle (in a wry sort of way) when I hear it said that the 6mnth regulations are *new*. When my eldest, now 13, was a baby, Nursing Mothers, now the Australian Breastfeeding Association, even then said introduce solids at 6mnth, in line with WHO recommendations. I was sadly harrassed into introducing solids when he was 4 mnths old by my Maternal and child health nurse. The next 2 started solids at 6mnths and probably 8mnts, by the time she got organised. We didn't get Guan til she was 10mnths, but she'd had solids since about 4 mths. They all eat are good eaters, though Zac(the eldest)was picky til he was 8 then would eat anything in the kitchen not nailed down. I remember selecting from the breakfast bar in the big Western style hotel in China, wondering what on earth Guan might eat for breakfast. The young waitress with a look on her face that indicated that westerners had no idea told me firmly that "China babies eat congee" Then chopped up a hardboiled egg into the congee (rice porridge) and srinkled a couple of teaspoons of sugar over the lot and mixed it in. Yup, China babies sure love that. BTW, has Essential Baby done anything about the medically unsubstaniated claim that probiotics in formula are of benefit to babies? Barb - Original Message - From: Ken Ward To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early I was curious as to what age solids are introduced. As I said, my eldest 3 had solids from about 3 months or so, and no problems. The youngest at about 9 mths, and all sorts of probs getting her to not only eat, but to try to eat. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Carol FallowsSent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 10:53 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Kelly, In the 1930s babies were not weaned onto solids until they were around eight or nine months and it was a slow process -many were also weaned onto cow's milk at this age. Up until the 1970s it was thought that once a baby had teeth he should be put on the bottle. Weaning onto solids only became a big issue as society became more prosperous after the second world war. It is very interesting to go through some of the old baby books - Spock, early Penelope Leach, Penny Stanway, Christopher Green - it becomes apparent that their attitude to breastfeeding is probably one of the main reasons why babies were not breastfed, why weaning onto solids was introduced far too early and why commercial baby food became 'essential'. On the subject of other cultures, in many Asian countries babies are weaned onto rice foods such as congee which is sieved and mixed with lentil juice, in Africa first food is also rice or maize porridge and in South America it is traditionally corn and potatoes.It seems obvious that babies are weaned onto whatever the staple food is (and quite often it is rice which coincidentally is considered to be the least likely to lead to allergies) . Hope that's helpful Carol Fallows - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Kelly, I can'r remember of any studies now, but the book "Rediscovering Birth" by Sheila Kitzinger (I think it was in that one) has interesting information how in different countries we use very different foods to start solids. In Finland the first solids have traditionally been potato and carrot! and banana and brunes.In US it's rice cereal. but it differs a lot between cultures. Too bad I can't remember the rest. I would love to get a copy of your article, when it's ready. Päivi - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 1:28 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From
Re: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms
Hi Abby and all, I think that a lot of the drama that women trying to register unassisted births happens because we put up with it. I have been involved with advocating for women trying to register their babies born at home without medical assistance for years. As they were being given such a huge run around I decided to take personal action and contacted the manager of the registrations section, at that time Bronwyn Hanson, who subsequently opened a folder specifically for these women and advised me to get these families to contact her directly. This was a great system for a few years as families got their births processed quickly and without fuss. They had to supply two stat decs (if possible) from people who had witnessed the birth and that was it. Unfortunately recently when I directed a woman to take this course of action it was discovered that Bronwyn Hanson had left that posistion and once again whoever had taken her place seemed to be at a loss as to how best get documentation of the existence of a live baby to this mother. They crazily got her to get letters from neighbours, as many stat decs as possible and photographs of her pregnant and with baby why I ask when a stat dec is a legal document? I recommend that women trying to register their babies avoid call centre staff and ask to be put through to the manager immediately. There has been a precedent set as to how they should be treated and the process they should be asked to follow to register their baby. They should ask for no more than 2 stat decs to verify the birth and if they do ask for more it can be clearly stated that many women who have had unassisted births over the last few years have only had to supply the above. The number of different stories (and unfortunately abusive comments) families were getting when they called the standard number and spoke to call centre staff would have made a great comedy skit about bureaucracy. I think a lot of people have trouble wrapping their head around homebirth let alone birthing without medical assistance (be that with or without lay assistance) by choice. Call centre staff would make comments such as: So you gave birth by accident at home, are you OK, do you want me to call an ambulance?. And of course they find it most difficult to understand why women wouldn't want to take their perfectly bonny healthy babies to a doctor just to get a form signed. I understand as I didn't see a doctor for either of my last two pregnancies and birthed at home without medical assistance. I objected to paying a doctor to sign a form just to make it easier for the bureacracy to neatly process us. A side note: I am interested in the origins of the term freebirth when describing an unassisted birth. To me a freebirth is a birth where the birthing woman truly has autonomy, is well informed and has made her choices according to where she is at in her life. I think it is the rare few that would truly choose to ever birth without any trained assistance whether it be medical or lay and I don't think it is wise to make this out as an enlightened choice (remember I have had two wonderful births like this myself so I'm not speaking from lack of love for this option). Maybe I have it wrong and the free' relates to no monetary cost! warm regards to all who provide choice for women in a world where it is sadly becoming nonexistent Penny - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2006 11:55 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] new centrelink forms Hi Sue, After my beautiful girls birth we called Births Deaths and Marriages and Centrelink and they told us to go to our local hospital. Well, one hospital gave my husband the hardest time about it and refused to give him a form unless I came in. Now this hospital is known for calling DOCS on anyone they think has done the wrong thing ie freebirthing. He then went to our other local hospital and they were s lovely. They gave him all kinds of info on the services they offer, just in case we wanted to take advantage of it and also gave him the forms and everything we needed. Though, the only problem was, it did have the hospital sticker on the back. So, in the end I went to Centrelink and got forms myself, we then had a hell of a time getting our baby registered and then finally we got to hand in our Centrelink forms. Basically, Centrelink won't take the forms unsigned without a Birth Certificate. If you want any info on how to get a Birth Certificate for a babe in NSW let me know. We had to provide all kinds of info and it took months. They have no protocol so it really depends on the person you are speaking to. Love Abby Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Anyone out there have any idea how women/couples who choose to birth unattended or with non-registered attendants can get there babies centrelink/medicare form from?
Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Justine, this is a really interesting articleId like to print it but can't copy as I need to look at each page seperartly and I cant highlight it. Have you got it in print? Kate From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:47:13 +1000 Dear Carol and all Very interesting re the global perspective. What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol?? Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I can¹t remember Doesn¹t matter that most babies can¹t sit up then!! When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered. Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologist http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/ Well worth a look Justine Caines National Policy Co-ordinator Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Yep I have already seen that article and had permission to reproduce it, but they only have it in PDF format, so I can't copy across the text :( Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kate Andrews Sent: Friday, 9 June 2006 10:37 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Justine, this is a really interesting articleId like to print it but can't copy as I need to look at each page seperartly and I cant highlight it. Have you got it in print? Kate From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 12:47:13 +1000 Dear Carol and all Very interesting re the global perspective. What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol?? Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I can¹t remember Doesn¹t matter that most babies can¹t sit up then!! When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered. Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologist http://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/ Well worth a look Justine Caines National Policy Co-ordinator Maternity Coalition Inc PO Box 625 SCONE NSW 2329 Ph: (02) 65453612 Fax: (02)65482902 Mob: 0408 210273 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Paivi, The book was published last year by Murdoch Books. It is called 'baby toddler food' you would need to speak to them if you wanted to stock it. They have a website www.murdochbooks.com. You need to go to their backlist and it is under Food for Life. Thank you, Carol Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526, website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Carol, Your book sounds great. Sometimes I think I have to set up my own Publishing company in Finland and start to publish good books on birth, breastfeeding and positive parenting. We just don't have any good reads in our language. If your books is as good as it sounds I would love to sell it in my store, even if it was only in english. So, is it getting published?? Päivi - Original Message - From: Carol Fallows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:02 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Justine, Yes the formula and baby food industry is a giant to be reconned with. But there is some light at the end of the tunnel. I provide editorial services to www.essentialbaby.com.au and there was recently a huge outcry over an advertisement saying formula would help solve sleep problems - so much so that the ad was pulled overnight. EB is a fairly powerful force in the parent/consumer world so this has made a few waves. The only way we are going to get the big companies to tow the line is by legislating and that is as likely to happen as is the banning of bullbars! So while they can get away with it they will go on doing so. However it is my experience that it is worth having a go and in order to get the message out to parentsit is better to play with the big boys rather than against them. If I was writing a book on such a subject I would be taking a practical approach that gave parents lots of strategies. Last year I wrote a book on baby food with a nutritionist which was subtitled - recipes and practical information for feeding babies and toddlers. We included a section on why babies don't need juice, another on commercial baby foods -and whythey are not essentialand another on how to read labels...The book looks good and the message is 'you can feed your baby simply and easily and here's how, beginningwith breast milk for at least 6 months'. The other problem is that of finding a publisher - we were asked to write this book by Murdoch Books. I think I remember that Maureen Minchin had to self-publish in the beginning?Yes NHMRC has Infant Feeding Guidelines, though the website says they are currently under review. Thanks for the reference to the article in the Ecologist. Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Justine Caines To: OzMid List Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:47 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Dear Carol and allVery interesting re the global perspective.What we have now though is a gigantic industry both the formula and baby food industry. In informing women of the facts we but up against huge vested interests. I have been mulling over a book idea but keep coming back to the thought of how it would sell when it would critical analyse the benefits of much of the commercial baby flap/trap. What do you think Carol??Only last night I checked labels again and the first food products say 4-6 months. This is despite the WHO code, Does NHMRC also have one?? I cant rememberDoesnt matter that most babies cant sit up then!!When I worked for a pollie a few yrs back we successfully made Heinz re label rice cereal but I guess we only held them to that produce so without any diligent monitoring the sell sell approach remains unfettered.Re the formula industry I red a fascinating article that put all the arguments we know very succinctly. It is from a UK journal called Ecologisthttp://www.exacteditions.com/exact/browse/307/308/1267/3/22/0/Well worth a lookJustine CainesNational Policy Co-ordinatorMaternity Coalition IncPO Box 625SCONE NSW 2329Ph: (02) 65453612Fax: (02)65482902Mob: 0408 210273E-Mail: [EMAIL
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Hi Barb, We are aware of the problem with the probiotics ad. Thanks, Carol Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi, I always get a giggle (in a wry sort of way) when I hear it said that the 6mnth regulations are *new*. When my eldest, now 13, was a baby, Nursing Mothers, now the Australian Breastfeeding Association, even then said introduce solids at 6mnth, in line with WHO recommendations. I was sadly harrassed into introducing solids when he was 4 mnths old by my Maternal and child health nurse. The next 2 started solids at 6mnths and probably 8mnts, by the time she got organised. We didn't get Guan til she was 10mnths, but she'd had solids since about 4 mths. They all eat are good eaters, though Zac(the eldest)was picky til he was 8 then would eat anything in the kitchen not nailed down. I remember selecting from the breakfast bar in the big Western style hotel in China, wondering what on earth Guan might eat for breakfast. The young waitress with a look on her face that indicated that westerners had no idea told me firmly that "China babies eat congee" Then chopped up a hardboiled egg into the congee (rice porridge) and srinkled a couple of teaspoons of sugar over the lot and mixed it in. Yup, China babies sure love that. BTW, has Essential Baby done anything about the medically unsubstaniated claim that probiotics in formula are of benefit to babies? Barb - Original Message - From: Ken Ward To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early I was curious as to what age solids are introduced. As I said, my eldest 3 had solids from about 3 months or so, and no problems. The youngest at about 9 mths, and all sorts of probs getting her to not only eat, but to try to eat. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Carol FallowsSent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 10:53 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Kelly, In the 1930s babies were not weaned onto solids until they were around eight or nine months and it was a slow process -many were also weaned onto cow's milk at this age. Up until the 1970s it was thought that once a baby had teeth he should be put on the bottle. Weaning onto solids only became a big issue as society became more prosperous after the second world war. It is very interesting to go through some of the old baby books - Spock, early Penelope Leach, Penny Stanway, Christopher Green - it becomes apparent that their attitude to breastfeeding is probably one of the main reasons why babies were not breastfed, why weaning onto solids was introduced far too early and why commercial baby food became 'essential'. On the subject of other cultures, in many Asian countries babies are weaned onto rice foods such as congee which is sieved and mixed with lentil juice, in Africa first food is also rice or maize porridge and in South America it is traditionally corn and potatoes.It seems obvious that babies are weaned onto whatever the staple food is (and quite often it is rice which coincidentally is considered to be the least likely to lead to allergies) . Hope that's helpful Carol Fallows - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Kelly, I can'r remember of any studies now, but the book "Rediscovering Birth" by Sheila Kitzinger (I think it was in that one) has interesting information how in different countries we use very different foods to start solids. In Finland the first solids have traditionally been potato and carrot! and banana and brunes.In US it's rice cereal. but it differs a lot between cultures. Too bad I can't remember the rest. I would love to get a copy of your article, when it's ready. Päivi - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006
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HI Penny, Thanks for your response. So many good points. I too was in touch with Bronwyn and she left the position in the middle of my application process. I had called the registry before Runah was born and was informed that we just needed to stat decs, one could be from me and one from my hubby. The girl on the phone was lovely and highly intrigued by the concept of unassisted birth. I had heard of mamas having a really hard time so thought this was going to be easy and great. How wrong I was, and I am not one for putting up with being treated badly, but these people were IMPOSSIBLE!! Basically we sent away the form and our two stat decs, we didn't hear back for a few weeks so I rang up and got the most horrible woman on the phone, her name is Maria. She huffed in a disapproving way when I told her our story and said, YOU DID WHAT!!??!! After looking it up she said our application had been processed and we would receive our birth certificate within the week. I asked to speak to her supervisor to put in a complaint about her as she had been really rude. She told me I could not and would have to send a letter of complaint to the office. I demanded to speak with her supervisor and after about 5 mins of arguing she finally agreed to go and get someone. I was on hold for 11 minutes (yes I timed it) and she got back on the phone and said, sorry noone wants to talk to you! You'll just have to write in and complain. I then said, you kept me on hold for 11 minutes to tell me that, and she said, ahh YES!! and chuckled!! AAUUGGHH!!! So, again we didn't hear anything for a couple of weeks, called again, more promises made, another couple of weeks still nothing. Then we received a letter saying we needed to send in more info regarding my doctor, butI didn't have a doctor! This went on for 3 months back and forth, we need this, we need that, but only when we would call and often our calls were not returned. In the end I yelled at someone about how ridiculous and incompetent the system was and got put through to someone else who was very helpful and seemed to get it sorted, but it was not. In the end this is what we provided: Two stat decs from my husband and I Extra proof of ID from us ( which is ridiculous as we had to get a JP to view our ID and sign them) A stat dec from a friend who was at the birth ~ they also asked her a few weeks later to send copies of her ID signed by a JP, then sent her their own stat decs for her to fill in!!) A stat dec from a doctor we know ~ he knew how stupid it could be and photocopied and faxed every piece of id he owned! I then called and they told me I hadn't paid, by this time I was so angry and irate and let loose threatening to come down and create a scene. I do feel sorry for that poor guy. Anyway it worked and a few days later we received a standard and a decorative birth certificate. The funniest thing, a few days after receiving the certificates we received another set! It was a crazy, stressful and demoralising experience and I was definitely being mistreated because of my decision to freebirth. In regards to your comment about the word freebirth as opposed to unassisted birth I use both terms but recently have been thinking about the terms. I sometimes feel that the term unassisted birth implies that assistance is necessary but you have chosen to not have assistance. I think freebirth implies just that, freedom in the true sense of the word, with no interferrence. I too, don't think it's a good decision for every mama, but it was the best, most empowering and healing decision for me. I do think for some mamas it is an enlightened choice, though deeply personal. Love Abby according to where she is at in her life. I think it is the rare few that would truly choose to ever birth without any trained assistance whether it be medical or lay and I don't think it is wise to make this out as an enlightened choice (remember I have had two wonderful births like this myself so I'm not speaking from lack of love for this option). Maybe I have it wrong and the free' relates to no monetary cost! warm regards to all who provide choice for women in a world where it is sadly becoming nonexistent Penny -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Excellent - when will it be addressed? :) - Original Message - From: Carol Fallows To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 11:45 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Barb, We are aware of the problem with the probiotics ad. Thanks, Carol Carol FallowsFallows AssociatesABN 57 776 135 100Editorial, publishing and PR servicesph. 02 9969 1228 (bh) fax 9969 9526website: www.carolfallows.com.au - Original Message - From: Barbara Glare Chris Bright To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi, I always get a giggle (in a wry sort of way) when I hear it said that the 6mnth regulations are *new*. When my eldest, now 13, was a baby, Nursing Mothers, now the Australian Breastfeeding Association, even then said introduce solids at 6mnth, in line with WHO recommendations. I was sadly harrassed into introducing solids when he was 4 mnths old by my Maternal and child health nurse. The next 2 started solids at 6mnths and probably 8mnts, by the time she got organised. We didn't get Guan til she was 10mnths, but she'd had solids since about 4 mths. They all eat are good eaters, though Zac(the eldest)was picky til he was 8 then would eat anything in the kitchen not nailed down. I remember selecting from the breakfast bar in the big Western style hotel in China, wondering what on earth Guan might eat for breakfast. The young waitress with a look on her face that indicated that westerners had no idea told me firmly that "China babies eat congee" Then chopped up a hardboiled egg into the congee (rice porridge) and srinkled a couple of teaspoons of sugar over the lot and mixed it in. Yup, China babies sure love that. BTW, has Essential Baby done anything about the medically unsubstaniated claim that probiotics in formula are of benefit to babies? Barb - Original Message - From: Ken Ward To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 6:13 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early I was curious as to what age solids are introduced. As I said, my eldest 3 had solids from about 3 months or so, and no problems. The youngest at about 9 mths, and all sorts of probs getting her to not only eat, but to try to eat. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Carol FallowsSent: Thursday, 8 June 2006 10:53 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Kelly, In the 1930s babies were not weaned onto solids until they were around eight or nine months and it was a slow process -many were also weaned onto cow's milk at this age. Up until the 1970s it was thought that once a baby had teeth he should be put on the bottle. Weaning onto solids only became a big issue as society became more prosperous after the second world war. It is very interesting to go through some of the old baby books - Spock, early Penelope Leach, Penny Stanway, Christopher Green - it becomes apparent that their attitude to breastfeeding is probably one of the main reasons why babies were not breastfed, why weaning onto solids was introduced far too early and why commercial baby food became 'essential'. On the subject of other cultures, in many Asian countries babies are weaned onto rice foods such as congee which is sieved and mixed with lentil juice, in Africa first food is also rice or maize porridge and in South America it is traditionally corn and potatoes.It seems obvious that babies are weaned onto whatever the staple food is (and quite often it is rice which coincidentally is considered to be the least likely to lead to allergies) . Hope that's helpful Carol Fallows - Original Message - From: Päivi Laukkanen To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:20 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early Hi Kelly, I can'r remember of any studies now, but the book "Rediscovering Birth" by Sheila Kitzinger (I think it was in that one) has interesting information how in different countries we use very different foods to start solids. In Finland the first solids have
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