Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !

2006-06-23 Thread Robyn Dempsey



My final lady for June just birthed..Yee Haa, 
Hi ho Hi ho, it's off to the conference I go! 

Robyn Dempsey

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Susan 
  Cudlipp 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: 22 June, 2006 6:24 PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf 
  - Tickets nearly sold !
  
  Are many Ozmidders going to the 
  conference?
  Sue
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sally-Anne Brown 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:46 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - 
Tickets nearly sold !

Dear all

Just to update you that the 24th Homebirth 
Australia Conference has just about sold out at the 'larger conference 
venue'. We only have five tickets left and the program is now complete 
and available for viewing on the website. Please note we do not do day 
only tickets. There are only20spacesleft for the 
conference dinner which will be held on sat july1. Registration forms 
can be downloaded at www.homebirthaustralia.org 


We will be convening a national press 
conference on the issues for remote and rural women who have lost their 
local birthing services pre-conference on Friday June 30 at Parliament House 
Victoria, please stay tuned. Women, babies, families, 
balloonsand banners warmly welcomed to attend for a 'photo shoot' 
outside Parliament House at 12 noon.

We look forward to seeing you all 
there...

Warm Regards

Sally-Anne Brown 
for the 24th Homebirth Australia conference 
team.
04319 466 47



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Re: [ozmidwifery] Your thoughts onBirth Plans?

2006-06-23 Thread Katy O'Neill



They really should get us to change our 
language! Katy.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Stephen  
  Felicity 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 10:44 
AM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Your thoughts 
  onBirth Plans?
  
  I believe that seemingly 
  small things, likesoftening theterm"birthplan" into 
  something along the lines ofbirth "preferences", etc,further 
  undermines and weakens the power a woman has to demand what she wants for her care, and firmly expect to 
  receive it. "Preferences" denotes a level of being ok with someone delivering 
  less than your "preferred" care - it's "preferred", but not 
  "compulsory". Women are already in an extremelyvulnerable and 
  disempowered position in a Hospital environment. Let's not increase that 
  by encouraging a lack of strength in the way they describe what they 
  want. It shouldn't have to be about pleasing the staff or making them 
  feel warm and fuzzy in order for the woman to receive the care she deserves 
  and wants. If things deviate from the birthplan (with the birthing 
  woman's genuine consent), it's not about blame or retribution. We just 
  want our care to match our needs. Simple, and not too much to 
  ask.
  I don't understand the complaint about 
  birthplans being "too long", either. Unless they're a 20 page War and 
  Peace epic (and I've never seen one exceed 4 - 5 pages), it's quite 
  simplyNOT THAT HARD to flick through, locate the relevant point, and do 
  your best to adhere to it. There's farbulkier Hospy paperwork 
  whipped out and leafed throughduring birth. Most "long" (4 - 5 
  page) BPs are divided into specific sections which make it even easier to spot 
  the precise area you're looking for at the time. I don't see taking one 
  or two minutes to check a woman's BP to be too much to ask. In an 
  extreme emergency situation, the CP should be thoroughly well versed with the 
  BP anyway; so they should have a fairly good idea of what is desired, even in 
  the heat of the moment. The birthing woman will hopefully also have 
  support people there who can assist in referencing the BP in any 
  situation. In all reality it's usuallythe "well informed" women 
  who write "long" BPs so is the resentment of BPs we see sometimesin fact 
  a subtle dig at women daring to know their rights, their facts, and demand 
  nothing less? How can we be anything less than detailed about one of the most 
  specific and important moments of our lives that involves the wellbeing of 
  Mother, baby, and potentiallythe extended family and friends? It might 
  make things a little "harder" on the CP (though I REALLY don't see how), but 
  why should the birthing woman have to care, quite frankly?
  
  Women aren't stupid. We know that if something in 
  birth goes haywire, and we hadn't expected it or thought about our desires in 
  that situation, then we go with what we believe is best at the time (considering 
  our careprovider's advicewhen makingour final decision). We 
  understand birth is a fluid, changeable and highly unique event, every time. 
  We don't expect to beunable to change our mind about something we 
  included on our plan. We don't need to be coy about asking for what we want; 
  it's fairly obvious who that level of shillyshallying suits - and it's not 
  birthing women.
  
  Imagine birthing women reading Hospy birth 
  protocols and complaining they were "too long", "too concrete", and suggesting 
  wording rehashing. They'd be laughed out of town...but they're the ones 
  giving birth, and it's ok for US to question THEIR birth 
  documents?
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Janet 
Fraser 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:04 
AM
Subject: *SUSPECTED SPAM* Re: 
[ozmidwifery] Your thoughts onBirth Plans?

I always emphasise to 
women that one of the reasons they need a birth plan to birth in an 
institution is that the careprovider has one and their birth will run to it 
if they don't provide an alternative. Let's not kid ourselves that birth 
plans are respected though when even basic stuff like "Please don't offer me 
drugs I will ask if I require pain relief" is ignored so frequently. Birth 
plans SHOULD be treated with the same respect that living wills are accorded 
and until then they are too often used as a way to pacify women and make 
them feel that their birth is under their control when it isn't. I've heard 
from too many women who've had birth plans laughed at and actually even 
ripped up in front of them.

I also recommend to women 
that they take their birth plan to "important people" in the institution and 
have it signed so that in labour there are no arguments about having aspects 
of it implemented that are not usual - no drugs, physiological third stage, 
no vit k or hep b etc. 

[ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth

2006-06-23 Thread Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001








From: Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001Sent: Fri 23/06/2006 7:00 PMTo: OZMidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Birthcentre/ homebirth

Hi, 
I'm a mid student in my last year and 20 weeks pregnant.
I'm planning a homebirth, but since being present at a horrific labour which culminatedin the woman having a hysterectomy and two days intubated in ICU following severe bleeding post partumly. Im having second thoughts.
I washonoured to be present at my best friends water birth monday night in a birth centre. I'm thinking that maybeI should go that way, as there is back-up.
I would like some professional opinions please.
Cheers Nat


Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth

2006-06-23 Thread Belinda Maier
it is a tough one Nat. I think you have to go with what feels right for 
you.


I recently had a woman rupture her uterus during labour VBAC. We were in 
hospital as she was a planned hospital birth. It has been quite 
traumatic all around ...in my private practice I have had many VBACs and 
support evidence based practice. Many women i have cared for have chosen 
hb as a way of  achieving a positive experience after a traumatic one. 
Do I now base my practice on fear or on evidence? This has been a 
traumatic and challenging time for me and I am looking forward to the hb 
conference to re focus, re energise and re colour my midwifery self. I 
know I would rather never work again than work from a fear paradigm.
The reality of the safety of homebirth, VBAC or what ever hasn't 
changed. We know tragic and unexpected things can happen during 
birth...it is rare yet some of us have been there see the pain and 
suffering that goes with an unexpected traumatic outcome. I feel 
passionately that we cannot base our practice on that however, we can 
only do what we do best, we will never stop tragic events nor the fear, 
stress and trauma that goes with them. however if all women birthed in 
hospital or all women had sections we would still get unexpected 
tragedies and I believe ultimately more so. Responsibility to self or 
others is an extraordinarily challenging thing especially in these types 
of situations. I will not ( I truly truly hope) change what i do or 
trust women and their ability less...I will continue to work 
independently and support women as i have always done because it is more 
safe than it isn't.
Birth in your own home with your own chosen midwife and support people 
remains a very wonderful thing.
If you choose to birth in hospital for the back up option then do what 
feels good for you, but be aware and educated and try to let go of being 
afraid or of the what if fear. You can trust in yourself and your body 
and listen to where you feel you need to be. I believe that the woman I 
cared for instinctively ended up where she needed to be, so all of the 
discussion like lucky she wasn't at home Belinda or doesn't that show 
how dangerous it could be etctetra is meaningless because she was where 
she needed to be and that still didn't prevent her uterus rupturing. 
Immerse yourself in happiness and joyful stories about birth and babies, 
like spiritual midwifery or birthing from within.

Good luck
Belinda


Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001 wrote:
 



*From:* Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001
*Sent:* Fri 23/06/2006 7:00 PM
*To:* OZMidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
*Subject:* Birthcentre/ homebirth

Hi,
I'm a mid student in my last year and 20 weeks pregnant.
I'm planning a homebirth, but since being present at a horrific labour 
which culminated in the woman having a hysterectomy and two days 
intubated in ICU following severe bleeding post partumly. Im having 
second thoughts.
I was honoured to be present at my best friends water birth monday 
night in a birth centre. I'm thinking that maybe I should go that way, 
as there is back-up.

I would like some professional opinions please.
Cheers Nat
 



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2006-06-23 Thread Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001


Hi Kate,

I was meant to finish my degree last year, just doing my catch-ups and then i can register.

I thought that i would feel more safe at home, but again after that experience and the birth getting closer i'm not so sure. My partner is supportive of wherever i choose to birth. He's left the decision up to me.
We are going through Northern Women's so our only option is the Lyell McEwin in there birthcentre, high side or home ofcourse. Iam happy to gothere as i've had a taste of most of the midwifery units in Adelaide, and felt that the Lyell suited me. But i also didn't think i would need to think about it, as i was keen to have a homebirth.

Cheers Nat


Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth

2006-06-23 Thread Janet Fraser



Nat one birth is not a reason 
to change from the gold standard of midwifery care (unless the CP you've chosen 
is substandard) to the lottery which exists in institutions. What your friend 
experienced was good STAFF not good SYSTEM or model of care. Sounds like good 
debriefing is going to benefit you a lot more than choosing a comparatively poor 
way to birth over hb. There is back up for hbs, it's called hospital TF and it's 
a lot easier to go into one when you need it than to walk away from one that you 
don't need. Most healthy women don't need hospitals. Get some really good 
debriefing and support and have your own beautiful birth which other births have 
no bearing on! You can't control what happens in birth but you can control what 
happens in your home. Most PPH occur in hospitals so it's not really a way to 
avoid it, is it?

Some deep thought about why 
this has thrown you off balance would be good, as would a frank discussion with 
your MW about her ways of dealing with the kinds of complications you saw. Your 
own beliefs around your body and birthing potential seem to have been shaken by 
these sad events and it would be a shame to not work through them and use them 
to enhance both your private life and your professional life. The woman in 
question is going to need a LOT of postbirth support, for example. You may find 
"Birthing from within" helpful to you while you work through your 
issues.

It's not surprising to be 
really rocked by events you're describing, but it's not a reason in and of 
itself to step into an institution which simply cannot provide you with the kind 
of care a MW in your home can. 

Best wishes with your 
processing, please feel free to come along to Joyous Birth and chat there. Lots 
of MWs and many consumers who've been on similar journeys to yours.

J


Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth

2006-06-23 Thread Honey Acharya



Hi Nat 
I am a mid student also and a doula

It sounds like some (or some more) debriefing would 
be a good idea?
Looking at what your fears are. What are the 
possibilities of those things?
where are they more likely to occur? Have you got 
anyone experienced with this type of work who can support you to work through 
this? Depending on where you are there may be some suggestions for 
you.

What caused the "horrific labour" and 
complications, was it a home birth or a hospital birth?

Very quickly as it is late. e.g of my train of 
thought atm.You are more likely to have a c-section by being in a birth 
centre or hospital. With c-sections you are more likely to end up with a 
hysterectomy etc.

Depending on your homebirth midwifeand other 
factors such as how far is the nearest hospital, transfer rates are still MUCH 
lower in homebirth (something like 3%-15%) . Your chances of having a beautiful 
uninterfered with birth are much better at home.

Things occasionally go pear shaped in birth 
wherever you are, home or hospital. 
Would you really be safer in 
hospital?

But it really comes down to how YOU 
FEEL

Warm regards
Honey


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Stepney, Natalie Anita - 
  stena001 
  To: OZmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Friday, June 23, 2006 9:11 PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ 
  homebirth
  
  
  
  
  
  From: Stepney, Natalie Anita - 
  stena001Sent: Fri 23/06/2006 7:00 PMTo: OZMidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: 
  Birthcentre/ homebirth
  
  Hi, 
  I'm a mid student in my last year and 20 weeks 
  pregnant.
  I'm planning a homebirth, but since being present 
  at a horrific labour which culminatedin the woman having a hysterectomy 
  and two days intubated in ICU following severe bleeding post partumly. Im 
  having second thoughts.
  I washonoured to be present at my best 
  friends water birth monday night in a birth centre. I'm thinking that 
  maybeI should go that way, as there is back-up.
  I would like some professional opinions 
  please.
  Cheers Nat
  


[ozmidwifery] List working properly???

2006-06-23 Thread Great Birth
G'day,I'm aware that a few people have sent responses to my post of 20 June entitled "Consumer demand for inductions and caesareans" but they never appeared on the list (I got sent them personally when they didn't appear)  Has the list been malfunctioning in the last few days?CheersDavid David Vernon, Editor and WriterHaving a Great Birth in Australia, Men at Birth, With Women - Shiftwork to Group Practice and The Hunt for MarasmusGPO Box 2314, Canberra ACT 2601, AustraliaEm: Click here to email meMy other websites:Kitty  Maus | Beryl's Hansard	| Busy Dad's Guide to Cooking | _ 

Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !

2006-06-23 Thread Pinky McKay



I would love to be going and got info from sarah 
Buckl;ey last week but things have been a bit 'hairy' here to say 
theleast.my husband had a heart attack on friday so unfortunately I 
wont be there. 
Pinky


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Susan 
  Cudlipp 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:24 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf 
  - Tickets nearly sold !
  
  Are many Ozmidders going to the 
  conference?
  Sue
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Sally-Anne Brown 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:46 
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - 
Tickets nearly sold !

Dear all

Just to update you that the 24th Homebirth 
Australia Conference has just about sold out at the 'larger conference 
venue'. We only have five tickets left and the program is now complete 
and available for viewing on the website. Please note we do not do day 
only tickets. There are only20spacesleft for the 
conference dinner which will be held on sat july1. Registration forms 
can be downloaded at www.homebirthaustralia.org 


We will be convening a national press 
conference on the issues for remote and rural women who have lost their 
local birthing services pre-conference on Friday June 30 at Parliament House 
Victoria, please stay tuned. Women, babies, families, 
balloonsand banners warmly welcomed to attend for a 'photo shoot' 
outside Parliament House at 12 noon.

We look forward to seeing you all 
there...

Warm Regards

Sally-Anne Brown 
for the 24th Homebirth Australia conference 
team.
04319 466 47



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Re: [ozmidwifery] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth

2006-06-23 Thread Andrea Quanchi
Did you read Kath's story that I submitted to the list last week. For every bad birth yo have attended I bet there have been more good ones. Most midwives will not see a woman who requires a hysterectomy following birth in their whole careers let alone see more than one in one year so you have seen yours. Keep it in perspective where it belongs, learn from the experience but don't allow the fear to consume you as you also know how destructive this can be in labour. You will be at some great births between now and when you need to make a definite decision about place of birth although you may not make the decision until you are in labour. The most important decision is to choose your caregiver carefully and let your feelings about all this evolve with timeGood luckAndrea QOn 23/06/2006, at 9:11 PM, Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001 wrote:      From: Stepney, Natalie Anita - stena001Sent: Fri 23/06/2006 7:00 PMTo: OZMidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Birthcentre/ homebirth  Hi,  I'm a mid student in my last year and 20 weeks pregnant. I'm planning a homebirth, but since being present at a horrific labour which culminated in the woman having a hysterectomy and two days intubated in ICU following severe bleeding post partumly. Im having second thoughts. I was honoured to be present at my best friends water birth monday night in a birth centre. I'm thinking that maybe I should go that way, as there is back-up. I would like some professional opinions please. Cheers Nat  

Re: [ozmidwifery] List working properly???

2006-06-23 Thread Jo Bourne
I often get the feeling that not all posts make it through, I see replies to 
messages that I never received etc.

At 11:38 PM +1000 23/6/06, Great Birth  Men at Birth wrote:
G'day,

I'm aware that a few people have sent responses to my post of 20 June entitled 
Consumer demand for inductions and caesareans but they never appeared on the 
list (I got sent them personally when they didn't appear)  Has the list been 
malfunctioning in the last few days?

Cheers

David



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http://www.acmi.org.au/menatbirth.htmMen at Birth, 
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Group Practice and http://web.mac.com/david.vernon/iWeb/The Hunt for Marasmus
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Re: [ozmidwifery] List working properly???

2006-06-23 Thread Stephen Felicity
The emails that I am aware of not getting through have often been involving 
the same group of people, and/or regarding birth trauma, the ethics of 
choice, and then there is also mine and Janet's recent emails on birthplans 
(I've had two emails not appear yesterday, one was a follow up to David's 
commentary on the ethics of choice, and one was a response to Kelly's 
further query about Birthplans).


Are other people having the same difficulty, or are specific emails being 
singled out and removed? This is highly frustrating and needs to be remedied 
for the list to function fairly and effectively.  It's happening a lot right 
now but it's occurred multiple times historically too.


- Original Message - 
From: Jo Bourne [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Saturday, June 24, 2006 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] List working properly???


I often get the feeling that not all posts make it through, I see replies to 
messages that I never received etc.

At 11:38 PM +1000 23/6/06, Great Birth  Men at Birth wrote:

G'day,

I'm aware that a few people have sent responses to my post of 20 June 
entitled Consumer demand for inductions and caesareans but they never 
appeared on the list (I got sent them personally when they didn't appear) 
Has the list been malfunctioning in the last few days?


Cheers

David



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http://www.acmi.org.au/greatbirth.htmHaving a Great Birth in Australia, 
http://www.acmi.org.au/menatbirth.htmMen at Birth,
http://web.mac.com/david.vernon/iWeb/With%20WomenWith Women - Shiftwork 
to Group Practice and http://web.mac.com/david.vernon/iWeb/The Hunt for 
Marasmus

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Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !

2006-06-23 Thread Stephen Felicity



I'm really sorry to hear 
that Pinky; I hope he is recovering well and you both have all the support you 
need. Best wishes to you both.


  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 10:34 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf 
  - Tickets nearly sold !
  
  I would love to be going and got info from sarah 
  Buckl;ey last week but things have been a bit 'hairy' here to say 
  theleast.my husband had a heart attack on friday so unfortunately 
  I wont be there. 
  Pinky
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Susan 
Cudlipp 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:24 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA 
conf - Tickets nearly sold !

Are many Ozmidders going to the 
conference?
Sue

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally-Anne Brown 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:46 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf 
  - Tickets nearly sold !
  
  Dear all
  
  Just to update you that the 24th Homebirth 
  Australia Conference has just about sold out at the 'larger conference 
  venue'. We only have five tickets left and the program is now 
  complete and available for viewing on the website. Please note we do 
  not do day only tickets. There are 
  only20spacesleft for the conference dinner which will be 
  held on sat july1. Registration forms can be downloaded at www.homebirthaustralia.org 
  
  
  We will be convening a national press 
  conference on the issues for remote and rural women who have lost their 
  local birthing services pre-conference on Friday June 30 at Parliament 
  House Victoria, please stay tuned. Women, babies, families, 
  balloonsand banners warmly welcomed to attend for a 'photo shoot' 
  outside Parliament House at 12 noon.
  
  We look forward to seeing you all 
  there...
  
  Warm Regards
  
  Sally-Anne Brown 
  for the 24th Homebirth Australia conference 
  team.
  04319 466 47
  
  

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RE: [ozmidwifery] List working properly???

2006-06-23 Thread Megan Larry



I too often read responses but not seen the original email 
on the list. Its been particularly bad for a few months now. 

Megan


From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Great Birth 
 Men at BirthSent: Friday, 23 June 2006 11:08 PMTo: 
ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] List working 
properly???

G'day,
I'm aware that a few people have 
sent responses to my post of 20 June entitled "Consumer demand for inductions 
and caesareans" but 
they never appeared on the list (I got sent them personally when they didn't 
appear) Has the list been malfunctioning in the last few days?

Cheers

David



David Vernon, 
Editor and Writer
Having 
a Great Birth in Australia, Men 
at Birth, 

With 
Women - Shiftwork to Group Practice 
and 
The 
Hunt for Marasmus
GPO Box 2314, 
Canberra ACT 
2601, Australia
Em: 
Click 
here to email me
My other 
websites:
Kitty 
 Maus | Beryl's 
Hansard | Busy 
Dad's Guide to Cooking | 
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[ozmidwifery] RE:

2006-06-23 Thread Megan Larry



If you are with the Nth Womens, then I would have thought 
you have the best of both worlds, your own Midwife, access to gov funded 
homebirth and transfer to hospital where you keep your 
Midwife.
I love the idea of labouring at home, and then make your 
decision where you will birth. If you feel safe at home, chances are you will 
stay there, but if your instinct wants to be in hospital then that is where you 
will go.
You can be prepared for both options, discuss all of this 
with your Midwife and then let it all go and be with your 
labour.

Obviously this is a basic rundown of one way of looking at 
it, but if you want to be with women who have very positive attitudes to birth 
then join us at Birth Matters for a coffee gathering and see if that lifts your 
spirit.
We always meet at Eastwood Community centre, 95 Glen Osmond 
Rd, next one will be on July 20th, 7.30 - 9.30pm, just turn up and 
enjoy.

If you want the other dates just get back to me for 
them,

cheers
Megan


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Natalie Anita - stena001Sent: Friday, 23 June 2006 10:27 
PMTo: OZmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: 


Hi Kate,

I was meant to finish my degree last year, just 
doing my catch-ups and then i can register.

I thought that i would feel more safe at home, but 
again after that experience and the birth getting closer i'm not so sure. 
My partner is supportive of wherever i choose to 
birth. He's left the decision up to me.
We are going through Northern Women's so our only 
option is the Lyell McEwin in there birthcentre, high side or home ofcourse. Iam 
happy to gothere as i've had a taste of most of the midwifery units in 
Adelaide, and felt that the Lyell suited me. But i also didn't think i would 
need to think about it, as i was keen to have a homebirth.

Cheers Nat



[ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth

2006-06-23 Thread Mary Murphy










For every bad birth
you have attended I bet
there have been more good ones.
Yesterday I attended two births at
home. The first was primip who had a lovely water birth of a 3560 baby
boy who slid out into her own hands. The labour was calm and gentle, but
hard work of course. This lady had prepared herself by being fit
(cycling) and using relaxation tapes to calm her mind. It was difficult
to tell when she had passed into 2nd stage and she firmly but gently
pushed with her contractions. Physiological 3rd stage. Her blood
loss was less than 100mls. The second lady had her first baby in a birth
centrea good birth, but this time wanted a homebirth. Another
lovely waterbirth followed a 2 hr labour. normal type blood loss after a
physiological 3rd stage. We make our own reality, so prepare
for this birth by using techniques which calm the mind and tone the body.
Employ a midwife you trust and then get on with it. All the
best, MM










Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf - Tickets nearly sold !

2006-06-23 Thread Susan Cudlipp



So sorry to hear about your husband Pinky. I 
do hope he recovers quickly.
Best wishes
Sue

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Pinky McKay 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 8:34 
  PM
  Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf 
  - Tickets nearly sold !
  
  I would love to be going and got info from sarah 
  Buckl;ey last week but things have been a bit 'hairy' here to say 
  theleast.my husband had a heart attack on friday so unfortunately 
  I wont be there. 
  Pinky
  
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
Susan 
Cudlipp 
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 

Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 6:24 
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA 
conf - Tickets nearly sold !

Are many Ozmidders going to the 
conference?
Sue

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Sally-Anne Brown 
  To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au 
  
  Sent: Thursday, June 22, 2006 12:46 
  PM
  Subject: [ozmidwifery] 24th HBA conf 
  - Tickets nearly sold !
  
  Dear all
  
  Just to update you that the 24th Homebirth 
  Australia Conference has just about sold out at the 'larger conference 
  venue'. We only have five tickets left and the program is now 
  complete and available for viewing on the website. Please note we do 
  not do day only tickets. There are 
  only20spacesleft for the conference dinner which will be 
  held on sat july1. Registration forms can be downloaded at www.homebirthaustralia.org 
  
  
  We will be convening a national press 
  conference on the issues for remote and rural women who have lost their 
  local birthing services pre-conference on Friday June 30 at Parliament 
  House Victoria, please stay tuned. Women, babies, families, 
  balloonsand banners warmly welcomed to attend for a 'photo shoot' 
  outside Parliament House at 12 noon.
  
  We look forward to seeing you all 
  there...
  
  Warm Regards
  
  Sally-Anne Brown 
  for the 24th Homebirth Australia conference 
  team.
  04319 466 47
  
  

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[ozmidwifery] Interesting article

2006-06-23 Thread Helen and Graham




 
Prebiotics 'cut baby's skin risk' Adding prebiotics 
to formula feed can help cut the risk of babies developing a form of eczema, 
research suggests. 
Milan's Center for Infant Nutrition found atopic dermatitis was less likely 
in babies given supplemented formula than those given the standard form. 
Prebiotics encourage the growth of beneficial bacteria in the gut. 
The study, published in Archives of Disease in Childhood, suggests they might 
prevent atopic dermatitis by giving a boost to the immune system. 




  
  


  ATOPIC DERMATITIS 
  Form of eczema common among young children 
  Causes dry and itchy skin 
  Carries an increased risk of developing other atopic 
  illnesses such as asthma, hay fever and allergy 
  

Lead researcher Professor Guido Moro said the risk of atopic dermatitis was 
reduced by over 50% in the prebiotic-fed infants. 
He said: "To our knowledge this is the first time that it has been shown that 
prebiotics can not only produce favourable changes in the gut flora, but that 
these changes can lead to a genuine clinical benefit. 
"It appears that prebiotics can strengthen the immune system and so reduce 
the risk of atopic dermatitis during the first months of life." 
The research focused on 192 healthy children considered to be at high risk of 
developing allergies. 
At least one parent of each child had been diagnosed with an allergic 
disease. 
Breastfeeding advice 
Parents of every child considered for the study were advised to breastfeed 
their children. 
However, none of the children who ended up taking part was breastfed. 
The children of those who, nevertheless, decided to start with formula 
feeding were assigned to one of two groups. 
Half the children received formula milk supplemented with a prebiotic mixture 
made up of two types of carbohydrates called galacto-oligosaccharides and long 
chain fructo-oligosaccharides. 
Previous research has suggested this mixture has a similar impact to breast 
milk on the bacteria living in the gut, boosting beneficial bugs, and inhibiting 
growth of bugs that can cause disease. 
After six months, 10.6% of the group given prebiotics showed signs of atopic 
dermatitis, compared with 22.4% of those given formula supplemented with a 
placebo. 
Analysis showed the proportion of "friendly" bifidobacteria was significantly 
higher in the stools of infants fed on the prebiotic. 
Muriel Symmons, of the charity UK Allergy, said: "This study adds to our 
knowledge of the role of prebiotics in helping to prevent the development of 
eczema in infants. 
"More work of this kind is needed to establish whether prebiotic supplements 
can help those babies whose mothers are unable or choose not to breast feed." 
Nina Goad, of the British Skin Foundation, said: "We know that atopic 
dermatitis is a condition in which many factors can influence its development 
and severity." 
Details of the study were presented at the Royal College of Paediatrics and 
Child Health Spring Meeting in York. 


Story from BBC 
NEWS:http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/health/5109234.stmPublished: 
2006/06/23 23:55:58 GMT


Re: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth

2006-06-23 Thread Justine Caines
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] ] FW: Birthcentre/ homebirth



We make our own reality, so prepare for this birth by using techniques which calm the mind and tone the body. Employ a midwife you trust and then get on with it. All the best, MM

Dear Mary

I am putting in an order for 5000 clones of you right now!!! We certainly do make our own reality.

Looking forward to seeing you in Geelong, you are a very special woman.

JC