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Some of the best people I have worked with have been div2's. Their knowledge and understanding put some of the 'midwives' to shame. Just how much nursing care does a newborn need? Many LC's are not midwives, as are childbirth educators. Maybe we should be assisting these people to be woman wise, and not judge them on qualifications. I have no doubt that there are many people other than midwives that have vast knowledge and understanding but antenatal and postnatal care is not nursing care at all. It is specific to normal healthy women who are childbearing. If anyone can be trained to do this in just 8 days why bother with midwifery training. If we and not judging people on their qualifications some of the brilliant lay midwives out there wouldn't be persecuted and they are way more specialised than nurses. Lisa Barrett -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ganesha RosatSent: Thursday, 28 September 2006 8:33 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Hi all u wonderful women! Just a quick posting in line with the current debate about maternity services within country areas and who provides services. The hospital I am currently working in has decided to address our midwife shortage but training division two nurses to work in the maternity department. These nurses have 3 days of theory, one day of orientation in óbstetric and five days of clinical experience. On completion of their modules these girls will be able to: Assist in the provision of antenatal nursing care to the client Assist in the provision of nursing care to the healthy newborn baby Discuss the establishment and maintenance of breastfeeding Assist in the evaluation of key stage of growth and development of the baby Assist in the provision of postnatal nursing care to the woman This again indicates to me the lack of understanding of the needs of women (not clients). Instead of the hospital supporting midwives and creating a working environment that encourages new midwives to come to the area, they find quick fixes that only further add to the fragmentation of care. Anyway what do u all think? And is this happening anywhere else? Cheers Ganesha
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The art of midwifery existed long before the need for qualifications existedfunny how I had to do 3 years nursing training (with 6 months of antenatal/womens health training included) to become a registered nurse and have had to work as such for 12 months before I could even apply to train as a midwife. From the original post it appears that they are not suggesting the nurses birth babies, but assist in the care of the woman and the neonate - something new mothers do without the need for specialist training I personally do not object to this. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa Barrett Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2006 4:28 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Some of the best people I have worked with have been div2's. Their knowledge and understanding put some of the 'midwives' to shame. Just how much nursing care does a newborn need? Many LC's are not midwives, as are childbirth educators. Maybe we should be assisting these people to be woman wise, and not judge them on qualifications. I have no doubt that there are many people other than midwives that have vast knowledge and understanding but antenatal and postnatal care is not nursing care at all. It is specific to normal healthy women who are childbearing. If anyone can be trained to do this in just 8 days why bother with midwifery training. If we and not judging people on their qualifications some of the brilliant lay midwives out there wouldn't be persecuted and they are way more specialised than nurses. Lisa Barrett -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ganesha Rosat Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2006 8:33 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Hi all u wonderful women! Just a quick posting in line with the current debate about maternity services within country areas and who provides services. The hospital I am currently working in has decided to address our midwife shortage but training division two nurses to work in the maternity department. These nurses have 3 days of theory, one day of orientation in óbstetric and five days of clinical experience. On completion of their modules these girls will be able to: Assist in the provision of antenatal nursing care to the client Assist in the provision of nursing care to the healthy newborn baby Discuss the establishment and maintenance of breastfeeding Assist in the evaluation of key stage of growth and development of the baby Assist in the provision of postnatal nursing care to the woman This again indicates to me the lack of understanding of the needs of women (not clients). Instead of the hospital supporting midwives and creating a working environment that encourages new midwives to come to the area, they find quick fixes that only further add to the fragmentation of care. Anyway what do u all think? And is this happening anywhere else? Cheers Ganesha
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Yes I have heard of this and am glad that you have provided some info on exactly what the training and expectedfield of work is. Although I acknowledge that women have been caring for each other since we first started to walk on our hind legs, I do not believe that replacing a midwife in the clinical setting within a hospital environment is the appropriate way to solve the shortage. I actually consider this an insult to the skills and knowledge that Midwives have paid, financially and in spirit to gain. Midwifery is not just about birthing, support of the new mother is a vital part of our role. Alesa Alesa KoziolClinical Midwifery EducatorMelbourne - Original Message - From: Ganesha Rosat To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 8:33 AM Hi all u wonderful women! Just a quick posting in line with the current debate about maternity services within country areas and who provides services. The hospital I am currently working in has decided to address our midwife shortage but training division two nurses to work in the maternity department. These nurses have 3 days of theory, one day of orientation in óbstetric and five days of clinical experience. On completion of their modules these girls will be able to: Assist in the provision of antenatal nursing care to the client Assist in the provision of nursing care to the healthy newborn baby Discuss the establishment and maintenance of breastfeeding Assist in the evaluation of key stage of growth and development of the baby Assist in the provision of postnatal nursing care to the woman This again indicates to me the lack of understanding of the needs of women (not clients). Instead of the hospital supporting midwives and creating a working environment that encourages new midwives to come to the area, they find quick fixes that only further add to the fragmentation of care. Anyway what do u all think? And is this happening anywhere else? Cheers Ganesha
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Your right the art of midwifery has existed for hundreds of years, never, however were birth attendents inexperienced in the art of birthing, they apprenticed with other expert women and learned their craft from the bottom up. If you had a heart attack and youwere critically illwould you want to be cared for by a midwife? I also disagree with you about the specialist training of mothers, you have nine months of specialist training with your body getting ready for birth and in that time you get as much information may it be from friends, relatives, books, the internet or dare I say it from your midwife to help you gain the knowledge to start your parenting job, most of the rest is learning the craft from the bottom up just like any other apprentice to make you the expert you soon become. Where exactly do you need nursing care in all that. Lisa Barrett - Original Message - From: Rene and Tiffany To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2006 4:30 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] RE: The art of midwifery existed long before the need for qualifications existed funny how I had to do 3 years nursing training (with 6 months of antenatal/womens health training included) to become a registered nurse and have had to work as such for 12 months before I could even apply to train as a midwife. From the original post it appears that they are not suggesting the nurses birth babies, but assist in the care of the woman and the neonate - something new mothers do without the need for specialist training I personally do not object to this.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Today Conference in Germany
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Today Conference in Germany Hi Paivi I havent been before but am going along with another fellow student from my course. We are madly attempting to get all our assignments finished early before we go. So if you decide to go, say hi to us. On 27/9/06 11:21 PM, Pivi Laukkanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Has anyone been to Midwifery Today Conferences? There is one in Germany next month, which sounds fantastic and I was thinking about going. Just thought if any of you have participated in the past? Pivi Childbirth Educator Finland
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But the better option would be to facilitate them to become midwives rather than stick a bandaid on the problem which is a shortage of midwives. On 9/28/06, Ken Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some of the best people I have worked with have been div2's. Their knowledge and understanding put some of the 'midwives' to shame. Just how much nursing care does a newborn need? Many LC's are not midwives, as are childbirth educators. Maybe we should be assisting these people to be woman wise, and not judge them on qualifications. -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ganesha RosatSent: Thursday, 28 September 2006 8:33 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Hi all u wonderful women! Just a quick posting in line with the current debate about maternity services within country areas and who provides services. The hospital I am currently working in has decided to address our midwife shortage but training division two nurses to work in the maternity department. These nurses have 3 days of theory, one day of orientation in óbstetric' and five days of clinical experience. On completion of their modules these girls will be able to: Assist in the provision of antenatal nursing care to the client Assist in the provision of nursing care to the healthy newborn baby Discuss the establishment and maintenance of breastfeeding Assist in the evaluation of key stage of growth and development of the baby Assist in the provision of postnatal nursing care to the woman This again indicates to me the lack of understanding of the needs of women (not clients). Instead of the hospital supporting midwives and creating a working environment that encourages new midwives to come to the area, they find quick fixes that only further add to the fragmentation of care. Anyway what do u all think? And is this happening anywhere else? Cheers Ganesha -- My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nzMy Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_PhotographersNew Photo site@Mike - http://mikelinz.dotphoto.comLindsay - Http://likeminz.dotphoto.com Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as it gets. Unknown
RE: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Today Conference in Germany
Title: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Today Conference in Germany I attended a MT conference in Eugene Oregon USA. It was varied, catering to different skill levels and very, very interesting. The Art of midwifery was blended with how to handle PPHs Sh. Dystocia etc etc. I met some wonderful midwives. Worthwhile attending. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of renee Sent: Thursday, 28 September 2006 9:13 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Midwifery Today Conference in Germany Hi Paivi I havent been before but am going along with another fellow student from my course. We are madly attempting to get all our assignments finished early before we go. So if you decide to go, say hi to us. On 27/9/06 11:21 PM, Päivi Laukkanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Has anyone been to Midwifery Today Conferences? There is one in Germany next month, which sounds fantastic and I was thinking about going. Just thought if any of you have participated in the past? Päivi Childbirth Educator Finland
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Doing midwifery was the biggest learning curve in my life. This was despite having worked in a country hospital as an enrolled nurse and RN where you were expected to assist the midwife at births and give care to women on the ward when the midwife was with someone in labour. I had already witnessed about a hundred births, but there is no way the level of knowledge I had before doing mid compared with what I learnt in my training (and am still learning!) I totally object to RN's doing midwifery care. It is a specialised area and requires special skills. Allowing RN's to domidwifery care undervalues the role and skills of midwives. I have been working in the Northern Territory and have seen first hand the results of non-midwifery care. While recognising that many of the RN's are doing the best they can (in remote areas) there were often huge gaps in the care given. At the end of the day it is the women and their babies that suffer and this is totally unacceptable.Cheers MichelleRene and Tiffany [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The art of midwifery existed long before the need for qualifications existed funny how I had to do 3 years nursing training (with 6 months of antenatal/womens health training included) to become a registered nurse and have had to work as such for 12 months before I could even apply to train as a midwife. From the original post it appears that they are not suggesting the nurses birth babies, but assist in the care of the woman and the neonate - something new mothers do without the need for specialist training I personally do not object to this. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa BarrettSent: Thursday, 28 September 2006 4:28 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Some of the best people I have worked with have been div2's. Their knowledge and understanding put some of the 'midwives' to shame. Just how much nursing care does a newborn need? Many LC's are not midwives, as are childbirth educators. Maybe we should be assisting these people to be woman wise, and not judge them on qualifications. I have no doubt that there are many people other than midwives that have vast knowledge and understanding but antenatal and postnatal care is not nursing care at all. It is specific to normal healthy women who are childbearing. If anyone can be trained to do this in just 8 days why bother with midwifery training. If we and not judging people on their qualifications some of the brilliant lay midwives out there wouldn't be persecuted and they are way more specialised than nurses.Lisa Barrett-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ganesha RosatSent: Thursday, 28 September 2006 8:33 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Hi all u wonderful women!Just a quick posting in line with the current debate about maternity services within country areas and who provides services. The hospital I am currently working in has decided to address our midwife shortage but training division two nurses to work in the maternity department. These nurses have 3 days of theory, one day of orientation in óbstetric and five days of clinical experience. On completion of their modules these girls will be able to: Assist in the provision of antenatal nursing care to the client Assist in the provision of nursing care to the healthy newborn baby Discuss the establishment and maintenance of breastfeeding Assist in the evaluation of key stage of growth and development of the baby Assist in the provision of postnatal nursing care to the womanThis again indicates to me the lack of understanding of the needs of women (not clients). Instead of the hospital supporting midwives and creating a working environment that encourages new midwives to come to the area, they find quick fixes that only further add to the fragmentation of care.Anyway what do u all think? And is this happening anywhere else?Cheers Ganesha On Yahoo!7 K-Zone Magazine: Check out the new look
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Doing midwifery was the biggest learning curve in my life. This was despite having worked in a country hospital as an enrolled nurse and RN where you were expected to assist the midwife at births and give care to women on the ward when the midwife was with someone in labour. I had already witnessed about a hundred births, but there is no way the level of knowledge I had before doing mid compared with what I learnt in my training (and am still learning!) I totally object to RN's doing midwifery care. It is a specialised area and requires special skills. Allowing RN's to domidwifery care undervalues the role and skills of midwives. I have been working in the Northern Territory and have seen first hand the results of non-midwifery care. While recognising that many of the RN's are doing the best they can (in remote areas) there were often huge gaps in the care given. At the end of the day it is the women and their babies that suffer and this is totally unacceptable.Cheers MichelleRene and Tiffany [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:The art of midwifery existed long before the need for qualifications existed funny how I had to do 3 years nursing training (with 6 months of antenatal/womens health training included) to become a registered nurse and have had to work as such for 12 months before I could even apply to train as a midwife. From the original post it appears that they are not suggesting the nurses birth babies, but assist in the care of the woman and the neonate - something new mothers do without the need for specialist training I personally do not object to this. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lisa BarrettSent: Thursday, 28 September 2006 4:28 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: Some of the best people I have worked with have been div2's. Their knowledge and understanding put some of the 'midwives' to shame. Just how much nursing care does a newborn need? Many LC's are not midwives, as are childbirth educators. Maybe we should be assisting these people to be woman wise, and not judge them on qualifications. I have no doubt that there are many people other than midwives that have vast knowledge and understanding but antenatal and postnatal care is not nursing care at all. It is specific to normal healthy women who are childbearing. If anyone can be trained to do this in just 8 days why bother with midwifery training. If we and not judging people on their qualifications some of the brilliant lay midwives out there wouldn't be persecuted and they are way more specialised than nurses.Lisa Barrett-Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Ganesha RosatSent: Thursday, 28 September 2006 8:33 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Hi all u wonderful women!Just a quick posting in line with the current debate about maternity services within country areas and who provides services. The hospital I am currently working in has decided to address our midwife shortage but training division two nurses to work in the maternity department. These nurses have 3 days of theory, one day of orientation in óbstetric and five days of clinical experience. On completion of their modules these girls will be able to: Assist in the provision of antenatal nursing care to the client Assist in the provision of nursing care to the healthy newborn baby Discuss the establishment and maintenance of breastfeeding Assist in the evaluation of key stage of growth and development of the baby Assist in the provision of postnatal nursing care to the womanThis again indicates to me the lack of understanding of the needs of women (not clients). Instead of the hospital supporting midwives and creating a working environment that encourages new midwives to come to the area, they find quick fixes that only further add to the fragmentation of care.Anyway what do u all think? And is this happening anywhere else?Cheers Ganesha On Yahoo!7 Answers: 25 million answers and counting. Learn something new today
[ozmidwifery] Balwyn Choices For Childbirth (VIC)
Dear all, This is another call for those who might be interested in assisting with any Choices for Childbirth sessions and helping with decision making for the new Balwyn location. You dont have to be a midwife, birth attendant or trained in any way there are no set prerequisites apart from wanting to help in any way you feel appropriate, even if you only feel it would be greeting people as they arrive, ticking them off the list or helping with coffee. Perhaps you are looking at another way to get more involved in the birth industry - this presents a great opportunity to learn and make a difference at the same time! I am scheduling a meeting NEXT week so that we can all meet and have a catch up, getting up to date with whats happening and start delegating any small tasks. If you are interested, please let me know ASAP. The meeting will be in Camberwell. Thank-you! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to Parenthood BellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support
