Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Thanks!!
Thanks for the suggestions, all very. helpful. I have now forwarded them to the woman and hopefully she will get some great pointers.She is starting with contacting the Australian commission, so seems intent!! She is also now considering "sponsoring" an experienced waterbirthing Australian midwife to help her get her dream birth. Any more suggestions?? Lisaxx - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 1:41 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I know that the mid group practice at wch is offering water birth and there are also some independent prac midwifes who offer water birth in south Australia in the home. The woman would have to pay for all services naturally as she is not Australian and therefore covered by medicare what if she approached the practiconer independently and asked them. Cheers sharon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 2:06 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I have cared for a number of overseas visitors who have come to Perth to have their baby at home in the water. As she will have to pay for all her hospital care, she would have to also foot the bill for the hospital service. We do not have any hospitals that offer waterbirth. If it is possible, a hospital that offers waterbirth would cut out the double payment she would have to make if she needs transfer for additional obstetric care. If she is married to a Malaysian man, this is less likely than if married to a Caucasian. Cheers, M From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of lisa chalmersSent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 9:02 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Hello to all , I received this email this morning and have no idea if what this woman wants is at all possible?? Has anyone got any experience of anything similar. i thinkits grest that she is actively persuing a birth experience that she wants and would love to give her some info. Many Thanks Lisa xxx Hello there.I would like to find out,is there such waterbirth laws in New Zealand also or only in SA? Is there any midwives services in New Zealand also? I'm actually a Malaysian,but i really want to have my child in Australia or New Zealand and not in Malaysia because my husband and i are very interested and really want to have an aqua baby due to all the benefits that waterbirth has and this service is not available here in Malaysia. I would really like to know how can i deliver our baby over there and how is the government's policy to go there and have a baby? Is it possible because we really want a waterbirth.Please do reply soon. Thank you very much for your cooperation.Regards,Jashpreet Kaur No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 29/09/2006
Re: *** SPAM *** [ozmidwifery] Reference wanted please re Raspberry Leaf Tea
Sorry I have loaned out my file on RLT but here is something I found on the web. Burn J. H. Withell E. R. (1941). A principle in raspberry leaveswhich relaxesuterine muscle. The Lancet, July 5, pp. 1-3. Thomas. C. L. (ed.). (1985). Tabers cyclopedic medicaldictionary 16th ed. F. A. Davis: Philadelphia. http://www.botanical.com/botanical/mgmh/r/raspbe05.html http://www.theholisticchannel.com/Herb/Red_Raspberry.htm (website no longer available). Parsons, M. (1999). Raspberry leaf. Pregnancy, Birth andBeyond Newsletter,1(2), pp. 1-2. Parsons, M. (2000). [Raspberry leaf]. Emailed report Queensland Health. (1997). A health start in life: Nutrition formother and child.Author: Coorparoo. Whitehouse B. (1941). Fragrance: an inhibitor of uterine action.British Medical Journal, Sept 13, pp. 370-371. Wilson, M. (1993). Herbal tea consumption during pregnancy. Author:Wollongong. Hope the one you want is amongst this! Shelly Midwife UK - Original Message - From: Heartlogic To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 8:42 AM Subject: *** SPAM *** [ozmidwifery] Reference wanted please re Raspberry Leaf Tea Hello Wise ones, Does anyone have the reference to thestudy on the use of Raspberry Leaf Tea in pregnancy on hand? I'll be so grateful if you do and can find it easily and send it to me! Please email me direct on [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a beautiful day up here on the Central Coast of NSW! Trust you all are having a great weekend! with best and happiestwishes, Carolyn Hastie Heartlogic www.heartlogic.bizPhone: +61 2 43893919PO Box 5405 Chittaway Bay, NSW 2261 "As a single footstep will not make a path in the earth, so a single thought will not make a pathway in the mind. To make a deep physical path, we walk again and again. To make a deep mental path, we must think over and over again the kind of thoughts we wish to dominate our lives" Henry David Thoreau Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 268.6.1/344 - Release Date: 19/05/2006
[ozmidwifery] intact peri
Hi all, I am writing an article on episiotomy. I need to know what is the % of intact perineum among homemidwifes or birth centres? This is when the mother is having a natural birth. Does this change if the mother has an epidural and is having the baby in a hospital? What I mean is that how much can the hospital midwife do to save the perineum if the mother has opted for epidural? Is it still mainly to do with the skills of the midwife? Or is it a harder job with a medicated mom? Do you all practise hot compresses, perineal massage with oil (during birth) / perineal support? What is the % of intact peri in a waterbirth? Many questions... Thank you for any ideas or comments. Päivi
Re: [ozmidwifery] intact peri
Hi Paivi There was a national survey on HOMEBIRTH outcomes that included position of birth and perineal status published by Hilda Bastian in the late 1980s - not sure if anything has been produced since then Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 2 Oct, 2006, at 06:54, Päivi wrote: Hi all, I am writing an article on episiotomy. I need to know what is the % of intact perineum among homemidwifes or birth centres? This is when the mother is having a natural birth. Does this change if the mother has an epidural and is having the baby in a hospital? What I mean is that how much can the hospital midwife do to save the perineum if the mother has opted for epidural? Is it still mainly to do with the skills of the midwife? Or is it a harder job with a medicated mom? Do you all practise hot compresses, perineal massage with oil (during birth) / perineal support? What is the % of intact peri in a waterbirth? Many questions... Thank you for any ideas or comments. Päivi
Re: [ozmidwifery] RE:
I agree Michelle, I too worked in a rural area prior to completing my Mid many years ago and can still remember the revelations I felt while learning Midwifery.As anRN non Midwife, I was quite ignorant of what a true Midwife's role involved. It was scarey stuff. Cheers Di M
Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward step
Going back to the maternity nurse or Gen/ Obstetric nurse workingin Midwifery ishow NZ worked in the 70's 80's. It was unsatisfactory then would be the same now, despite the fact the we did 6 months obsin our general training we weren't midwives it showed. I worked in mid whilst attending homebirths, worked in birth suite, postnatal, taught pre-natal classesspent 3 yearsin charge of SCN as a RGON in the early 80's when I went to train as a midwife justlike Di MI too found it a revelation. It's a retrograde step undermines all the recognition of your specialised professionyou Australian midwives have fought so hard for. It's just another path on: "follow the American leader". With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: D. Morgan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: I agree Michelle, I too worked in a rural area prior to completing my Mid many years ago and can still remember the revelations I felt while learning Midwifery.As anRN non Midwife, I was quite ignorant of what a true Midwife's role involved. It was scarey stuff. Cheers Di M
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas??
Why not have some midwives go to Malaysia for a homebirth for her? She could have her local hospital for backup and not have to remove herself from her family and friends. It may even be more affordable, anyone up for a months holiday in Malaysia? Di - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I know that the mid group practice at wch is offering water birth and there are also some independent prac midwifes who offer water birth in south Australia in the home. The woman would have to pay for all services naturally as she is not Australian and therefore covered by medicare what if she approached the practiconer independently and asked them. Cheers sharon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 2:06 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I have cared for a number of overseas visitors who have come to Perth to have their baby at home in the water. As she will have to pay for all her hospital care, she would have to also foot the bill for the hospital service. We do not have any hospitals that offer waterbirth. If it is possible, a hospital that offers waterbirth would cut out the double payment she would have to make if she needs transfer for additional obstetric care. If she is married to a Malaysian man, this is less likely than if married to a Caucasian. Cheers, M From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of lisa chalmersSent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 9:02 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Hello to all , I received this email this morning and have no idea if what this woman wants is at all possible?? Has anyone got any experience of anything similar. i thinkits grest that she is actively persuing a birth experience that she wants and would love to give her some info. Many Thanks Lisa xxx Hello there.I would like to find out,is there such waterbirth laws in New Zealand also or only in SA? Is there any midwives services in New Zealand also? I'm actually a Malaysian,but i really want to have my child in Australia or New Zealand and not in Malaysia because my husband and i are very interested and really want to have an aqua baby due to all the benefits that waterbirth has and this service is not available here in Malaysia. I would really like to know how can i deliver our baby over there and how is the government's policy to go there and have a baby? Is it possible because we really want a waterbirth.Please do reply soon. Thank you very much for your cooperation.Regards,Jashpreet Kaur
Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward step
Working from a perspective of home midwifery care in the first week postpartum, there are many women experiencing significant problems even after experiencing midwifery care in hospital. I shudder to think what the problems may be without this care. Then again, if care was upgraded to provide good lactation care then most of the problems may be avoided as they are predominately breastfeeding related, for both mum and baby. Most healthy low risk women remain that way postnatally. There are not usually any medical or "nursing" duties to be done, unless they are C/S. Di - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:13 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward step Going back to the maternity nurse or Gen/ Obstetric nurse workingin Midwifery ishow NZ worked in the 70's 80's. It was unsatisfactory then would be the same now, despite the fact the we did 6 months obsin our general training we weren't midwives it showed. I worked in mid whilst attending homebirths, worked in birth suite, postnatal, taught pre-natal classesspent 3 yearsin charge of SCN as a RGON in the early 80's when I went to train as a midwife justlike Di MI too found it a revelation. It's a retrograde step undermines all the recognition of your specialised professionyou Australian midwives have fought so hard for. It's just another path on: "follow the American leader". With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: D. Morgan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: I agree Michelle, I too worked in a rural area prior to completing my Mid many years ago and can still remember the revelations I felt while learning Midwifery.As anRN non Midwife, I was quite ignorant of what a true Midwife's role involved. It was scarey stuff. Cheers Di M
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas??
Thanks Di, She has now decided this is the best option. So...how can she go about finding a midwife that can help her??? Its exactly the sort of thing I'd love to do, if I was a midwife! Would it be ok to post her email address in case any was interested? And thanks Sharon, I didnt get yourpost the first time, so was good to read and I will pass it on to her. Lisaxx - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Why not have some midwives go to Malaysia for a homebirth for her? She could have her local hospital for backup and not have to remove herself from her family and friends. It may even be more affordable, anyone up for a months holiday in Malaysia? Di - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I know that the mid group practice at wch is offering water birth and there are also some independent prac midwifes who offer water birth in south Australia in the home. The woman would have to pay for all services naturally as she is not Australian and therefore covered by medicare what if she approached the practiconer independently and asked them. Cheers sharon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 2:06 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I have cared for a number of overseas visitors who have come to Perth to have their baby at home in the water. As she will have to pay for all her hospital care, she would have to also foot the bill for the hospital service. We do not have any hospitals that offer waterbirth. If it is possible, a hospital that offers waterbirth would cut out the double payment she would have to make if she needs transfer for additional obstetric care. If she is married to a Malaysian man, this is less likely than if married to a Caucasian. Cheers, M From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of lisa chalmersSent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 9:02 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Hello to all , I received this email this morning and have no idea if what this woman wants is at all possible?? Has anyone got any experience of anything similar. i thinkits grest that she is actively persuing a birth experience that she wants and would love to give her some info. Many Thanks Lisa xxx Hello there.I would like to find out,is there such waterbirth laws in New Zealand also or only in SA? Is there any midwives services in New Zealand also? I'm actually a Malaysian,but i really want to have my child in Australia or New Zealand and not in Malaysia because my husband and i are very interested and really want to have an aqua baby due to all the benefits that waterbirth has and this service is not available here in Malaysia. I would really like to know how can i deliver our baby over there and how is the government's policy to go there and have a baby? Is it possible because we really want a waterbirth.Please do reply soon. Thank you very much for your cooperation.Regards,Jashpreet Kaur No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 29/09/2006
Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas??
Wish I could but too long away from the family. Someone out there a little more nomadic? Di - Original Message - From: lisa chalmers To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 10:41 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Thanks Di, She has now decided this is the best option. So...how can she go about finding a midwife that can help her??? Its exactly the sort of thing I'd love to do, if I was a midwife! Would it be ok to post her email address in case any was interested? And thanks Sharon, I didnt get yourpost the first time, so was good to read and I will pass it on to her. Lisaxx - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Why not have some midwives go to Malaysia for a homebirth for her? She could have her local hospital for backup and not have to remove herself from her family and friends. It may even be more affordable, anyone up for a months holiday in Malaysia? Di - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I know that the mid group practice at wch is offering water birth and there are also some independent prac midwifes who offer water birth in south Australia in the home. The woman would have to pay for all services naturally as she is not Australian and therefore covered by medicare what if she approached the practiconer independently and asked them. Cheers sharon From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary MurphySent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 2:06 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I have cared for a number of overseas visitors who have come to Perth to have their baby at home in the water. As she will have to pay for all her hospital care, she would have to also foot the bill for the hospital service. We do not have any hospitals that offer waterbirth. If it is possible, a hospital that offers waterbirth would cut out the double payment she would have to make if she needs transfer for additional obstetric care. If she is married to a Malaysian man, this is less likely than if married to a Caucasian. Cheers, M From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of lisa chalmersSent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 9:02 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Hello to all , I received this email this morning and have no idea if what this woman wants is at all possible?? Has anyone got any experience of anything similar. i thinkits grest that she is actively persuing a birth experience that she wants and would love to give her some info. Many Thanks Lisa xxx Hello there.I would like to find out,is there such waterbirth laws in New Zealand also or only in SA? Is there any midwives services in New Zealand also? I'm actually a Malaysian,but i really want to have my child in Australia or New Zealand and not in Malaysia because my husband and i are very interested and really want to have an aqua baby due to all the benefits that waterbirth has and this service is not available here in Malaysia. I would really like to know how can i deliver our baby over there and how is the government's policy to go there and have a baby? Is it possible because we really want a waterbirth.Please do reply soon. Thank you very much for your cooperation.Regards,Jashpreet Kaur No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 29/09/2006
RE: [ozmidwifery] Backward step
It has been fantastic reading all the responses to the nurse/midwife question. As a nurse about to begin midwifery training, I look forward to learning and developing the specialist skills you wonderful women have described! My original response stemmed from the fact that I became a nurse ONLY to become a midwife (as there was no other way at the time), but found that, I was unable to get any exposure to such, as training nurses and RNs are generally unwelcome in maternity. I would have given anything to have the opportunity to work and help out in maternity whilst waiting to secure a student midwife place. Instead I went straight into Mental Health after I qualified as an RN, whilst waiting for one of the 6 midwifery training positions that are offered. Perhaps this does raise the issue about providing more training places for student midwives, and why is it that we have to work as NURSES for a minimum 12 months before we can train as midwives, when as many have pointed out where is the nursing care in midwifery? Thanks J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanning Sent: Monday, 2 October 2006 10:13 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward step Going back to the maternity nurse or Gen/ Obstetric nurse workingin Midwifery ishow NZ worked in the 70's 80's. It was unsatisfactory then would be the same now, despite the fact the we did 6 months obsin our general training we weren't midwives it showed. I worked in mid whilst attending homebirths, worked in birth suite, postnatal, taught pre-natal classesspent 3 yearsin charge of SCN as a RGON in the early 80's when I went to train as a midwife justlike Di MI too found it a revelation. It's a retrograde step undermines all the recognition of your specialised professionyou Australian midwives have fought so hard for. It's just another path on: follow the American leader. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: D. Morgan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: I agree Michelle, I too worked in a rural area prior to completing my Mid many years ago and can still remember the revelations I felt while learning Midwifery.As anRN non Midwife, I was quite ignorant of what a true Midwife's role involved. It was scarey stuff. Cheers Di M
RE: [ozmidwifery] Reference wanted please re Raspberry Leaf Tea
Hi Carolyn! Ramona Lane from Bargara, Queensland here (near Bundy) beautiful day here as well. I am a Naturopath Herbalist. Kerry Bone (who is the definitive authority on herbal medicine in Australia) states in his Essential Guide to Herbal Safety which was cowritten with Simon Mills, the following about Raspberry Leaf (Rubus idaeus): Pregnancy Category A: No proven increase in frequency of malformation or other harmful effects on the foetus despite consumption by a large number of women. Lactation Category C: Compatible with breastfeeding. Contraindications: In principle, the use of herbs containing high levels of tannins is contraindicated or at least inappropriate in: constipation, iron deficiency anaemia and malnutrition. Warnings precautions: Because of the tannin content of this herb, long term use should be avoided. Use cautiously in highly inflamed or ulcerated conditions of the gastrointestinal tract. Adverse reactions: None found in published literature for raspberry leaf. A potential adverse reaction due to the high tannin content is irritation of the mouth and G.I. tract. Interactions: Take separately from oral thiamine, metal ion supplements or alkaloid containing medications.. Raspberry leafs actions are: Astringent, Partus Praeparator, Parturifacient and antidiarrhoeal. Kerry also states: No adverse effects are expected in pregnancy but it is most appropriate to confine use to the second and third trimesters. This is because raspberry leaf has a reputation as a uterine stimulant, which is probably doubtful, except perhaps near term. Results from a controlled, retrospective, observational study involving 108 women suggested that the consumption of raspberry leaf during pregnancy might shorten labour, reduce the likelihood of preterm and postterm labour and reduce the need for medical intervention. One woman ceased us of raspberry leaf during pregnancy after experiencing an increased frequency of Braxton Hicks contractions and another woman ceased use after an episode of diarrhoea. Raspberry leaf could not be established as the cause in either case. The authors stated that the use of raspberry leaf appeared to be safe for pregnant women and their babies during, pregnancy, labour and birth and in the early postpartum period. Consumption of raspberry leaf commenced as early as 8 weeks gestation (which as herbalists we dont advocate) with the majority of women commencing at 30 to 34 weeks. The daily dosage ranged from 1 to 6 cups of tea or 1 to 8 tablets, with 3 cups of tea per day or 6 tablets per day being the most popular dosages. There was also another randomised, double-blind, placebo controlled trial involving 192 women. In short, the results showed that raspberry leaf did not shorten the first stage of labour. Clinically significant findings were a shortening of the second stage (mean difference = 9.6 minutes) and a lower rate of forceps deliveries between the treatment group and control groups (19.3% vs 30.4%). Raspberry leaf was not found to cause adverse effects for mothers or babies. Side effects were reported by 32% of women in the raspberry leaf group and 25% of women in the placebo group. Most discomforts were pregnancy related and included diarrhoea, constipation, nausea, vomiting, headaches, heartburn, strong uterine tightening, dizziness and bloating. Overdosage: No incidents found in published literature. Toxicology: Raspberry leaf has very low toxicity. Raspberry leaf is not included in Part 4 of Schedule 4 of the TGA regulations. Raspberry leaves have very high levels of manganese, moderate levels of iron, calcium and selenium and vitamins A C. Raspberry leaves also aid in involution of the uterus after delivery; aid with production and maintenance of breastmilk; a general and uterine tonic following surgery to the uterus. Rubus in the form of dried leaf is very bulky and fluffy. Prescriptions of 1 teaspoon per cup 3 times daily results in low doses which may not be therapeutically active (Ruth Tricky, Women Hormones the Menstrual Cycle.) Hope this helps, Cheers, Ramona. From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 5:42 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Reference wanted please re Raspberry Leaf Tea Hello Wise ones, Does anyone have the reference to thestudy on the use of Raspberry Leaf Tea in pregnancy on hand? I'll be so grateful if you do and can find it easily and send it to me! Please email me direct on [EMAIL PROTECTED] It's a beautiful day up here on the Central Coast of NSW! Trust you all are having a great weekend! with best and happiestwishes, Carolyn Hastie Heartlogic www.heartlogic.biz Phone: +61 2 43893919 PO Box 5405 Chittaway Bay, NSW 2261 As a single footstep will not make a path in the earth, so a single
RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas??
Know a midwife here in Adelaide who has done this in the past, email me off list and Ill pass on her details to you Tania x From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of lisa chalmers Sent: Monday, 2 October 2006 10:11 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Thanks Di, She has now decided this is the best option. So...how can she go about finding a midwife that can help her??? Its exactly the sort of thing I'd love to do, if I was a midwife! Would it be ok to post her email address in case any was interested? And thanks Sharon, I didnt get yourpost the first time, so was good to read and I will pass it on to her. Lisaxx - Original Message - From: diane To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Why not have some midwives go to Malaysia for a homebirth for her? She could have her local hospital for backup and not have to remove herself from her family and friends. It may even be more affordable, anyone up for a months holiday in Malaysia? Di - Original Message - From: sharon To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, October 01, 2006 3:41 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I know that the mid group practice at wch is offering water birth and there are also some independent prac midwifes who offer water birth in south Australia in the home. The woman would have to pay for all services naturally as she is not Australian and therefore covered by medicare what if she approached the practiconer independently and asked them. Cheers sharon From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 2:06 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? I have cared for a number of overseas visitors who have come to Perth to have their baby at home in the water. As she will have to pay for all her hospital care, she would have to also foot the bill for the hospital service. We do not have any hospitals that offer waterbirth. If it is possible, a hospital that offers waterbirth would cut out the double payment she would have to make if she needs transfer for additional obstetric care. If she is married to a Malaysian man, this is less likely than if married to a Caucasian. Cheers, M From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of lisa chalmers Sent: Sunday, 1 October 2006 9:02 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Any ideas?? Hello to all , I received this email this morning and have no idea if what this woman wants is at all possible?? Has anyone got any experience of anything similar. i thinkits grest that she is actively persuing a birth experience that she wants and would love to give her some info. Many Thanks Lisa xxx Hello there. I would like to find out,is there such waterbirth laws in New Zealand also or only in SA? Is there any midwives services in New Zealand also? I'm actually a Malaysian,but i really want to have my child in Australia or New Zealand and not in Malaysia because my husband and i are very interested and really want to have an aqua baby due to all the benefits that waterbirth has and this service is not available here in Malaysia. I would really like to know how can i deliver our baby over there and how is the government's policy to go there and have a baby? Is it possible because we really want a waterbirth. Please do reply soon. Thank you very much for your cooperation. Regards, Jashpreet Kaur No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.10/459 - Release Date: 29/09/2006 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 1/10/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.407 / Virus Database: 268.12.11/460 - Release Date: 1/10/2006
[ozmidwifery] Thanks!!! re Raspberry Leaf Tea
Thanks to all you wonderful people who wrote both off list and on list with the details about Raspberry leaf tea! I'm so grateful. Thanks too to Ramona who went to such trouble to transcribe the information from Kerry Bone's book. Very very helpful. with best wishes to all of you, happily, Carolyn Hastie
RE: [ozmidwifery] intact peri
Hi Paivi, I cannot give you statistics of homebirth as I do not have immediate access to them. I will see if we have any stats on our service that I can access. Just in general, the main way to protect the perineum is not to tell the woman to push, but to allow her to use her natural open glottis pushing, an keep hands off. At home we do not do directed pushing. I cannot speak for birth centres, but their philosophy is much the same. Each midwife does different things, but it is not usual to use compresses or perineal massage during birth. Is that what you have found Jan? I wouldnt put too much weight on the Bastian research as not all of us completed her surveys. I personally have done 3 episiotomies in 24 yrs, but would do one if I thought necessary. Hospital midwives will have to answer the one about epidurals. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Päivi Sent: Monday, 2 October 2006 4:54 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] intact peri Hi all, I am writing an article on episiotomy. I need to know what is the % of intact perineum among homemidwifes or birth centres? This is when the mother is having a natural birth. Does this change if the mother has an epidural and is having the baby in a hospital? What I mean is that how much can the hospital midwife do to save the perineum if the mother has opted for epidural? Is it still mainly to do with the skills of the midwife? Or is it a harder job with a medicated mom? Do you all practise hot compresses, perineal massage with oil (during birth) / perineal support? What is the % of intact peri in a waterbirth? Many questions... Thank you for any ideas or comments. Päivi
[ozmidwifery] DO SOMETHING!
Many of us seem to think that it is a retrograde step, but telling each other stories will not change things. What can we do to put forward our views to the government? I guess we could rely on someone else to do something but WE really need to write to our Federal Health Minister, our local fed Politician, go and see them, etc. If everyone on this list wrote to Minister Tony Abbott, he would have to be a little bit impressed and may actually get more info before continuing on his rigid way. LETS DO IT. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanning Sent: Monday, 2 October 2006 8:13 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward step Going back to the maternity nurse or Gen/ Obstetric nurse workingin Midwifery ishow NZ worked in the 70's 80's. It was unsatisfactory then would be the same now, despite the fact the we did 6 months obsin our general training we weren't midwives it showed. I worked in mid whilst attending homebirths, worked in birth suite, postnatal, taught pre-natal classesspent 3 yearsin charge of SCN as a RGON in the early 80's when I went to train as a midwife justlike Di MI too found it a revelation. It's a retrograde step undermines all the recognition of your specialised professionyou Australian midwives have fought so hard for. It's just another path on: follow the American leader. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: D. Morgan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: I agree Michelle, I too worked in a rural area prior to completing my Mid many years ago and can still remember the revelations I felt while learning Midwifery.As anRN non Midwife, I was quite ignorant of what a true Midwife's role involved. It was scarey stuff. Cheers Di M
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Hi all and Mary I would only use a hot compress if the woman wasn't using water... I seem to be running about 95% waterbirths these days (or under the shower) Perineal massage during labour is a NO,NO in my practice. I sometimes find women put their own hands in front of the presenting part as if to keep the head flexed when giving birth .. it seems to be something that happens spontaneously for some women. Episiotomies? I've never done one ... even managed to get through my training without having to perform one for the records If there is going to be a tear ... so be it ... the perineum will give in the line of least resistance ... usually straight down the midline. Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 2 Oct, 2006, at 12:59, Mary Murphy wrote: x-tad-biggerHi Paivi, I cannot give you statistics of homebirth as I do not have immediate access to them. I will see if we have any stats on our service that I can access. Just in general, the main way to protect the perineum is not to tell the woman to push, but to allow her to use her natural open glottis pushing, an keep hands off. At home we do not do directed pushing. I cannot speak for birth centres, but their philosophy is much the same. Each midwife does different things, but it is not usual to use compresses or perineal massage during birth. Is that what you have found Jan? I wouldn’t put too much weight on the Bastian research as not all of us completed her surveys. I personally have done 3 episiotomies in 24 yrs, but would do one if I thought necessary. Hospital midwives will have to answer the one about epidurals. MM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerPäivi/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Monday, 2 October 2006 4:54 AM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [ozmidwifery] intact peri/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerHi all,/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerI am writing an article on episiotomy. I need to know what is the % of intact perineum among homemidwifes or birth centres? This is when the mother is having a natural birth./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerDoes this change if the mother has an epidural and is having the baby in a hospital? What I mean is that how much can the hospital midwife do to save the perineum if the mother has opted for epidural? Is it still mainly to do with the skills of the midwife? Or is it a harder job with a medicated mom?/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerDo you all practise hot compresses, perineal massage with oil (during birth) / perineal support?/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerWhat is the % of intact peri in a waterbirth?/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerMany questions... Thank you for any ideas or comments./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerPäivi/x-tad-bigger
Re: [ozmidwifery] DO SOMETHING!
The College is currently asking all it's members to write to their Federal Member about this. It would not be too hard to send a cc to Tony I'm with you Mary, Let's do it! Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National Coordinator Australian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]> website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 2 Oct, 2006, at 12:59, Mary Murphy wrote: x-tad-biggerMany of us seem to think that it is a retrograde step, but telling each other stories will not change things. What can we do to put forward our views to the government? I guess we could rely on “someone else” to “do something” but WE really need to write to our Federal Health Minister, our local fed Politician, go and see them, etc. If everyone on this list wrote to Minister Tony Abbott, he would have to be a little bit impressed and may actually get more info before continuing on his rigid way. LETS DO IT. MM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerOn Behalf Of /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerbrendamanning/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Monday, 2 October 2006 8:13 AM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward step/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger Going back to the maternity nurse or Gen/ Obstetric nurse working in Midwifery is how NZ worked in the 70's 80's. It was unsatisfactory then would be the same now, despite the fact the we did 6 months obs in our general training we weren't midwives it showed. I worked in mid whilst attending homebirths, worked in birth suite, postnatal, taught pre-natal classes spent 3 years in charge of SCN as a RGON in the early 80's when I went to train as a midwife just like Di M I too found it a revelation. It's a retrograde step undermines all the recognition of your specialised profession you Australian midwives have fought so hard for. It's just another path on: follow the American leader. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au x-tad-bigger- Original Message -/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerFrom:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerD. Morgan/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerTo:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-biggerx-tad-biggerozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSent:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Monday, October 02, 2006 9:54 AM/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerSubject:/x-tad-biggerx-tad-bigger Re: [ozmidwifery] RE:/x-tad-bigger x-tad-bigger /x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerI agree Michelle, I too worked in a rural area prior to completing my Mid many years ago and can still remember the revelations I felt while learning Midwifery. As an RN non Midwife, I was quite ignorant of what a true Midwife's role involved. It was scarey stuff./x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerCheers/x-tad-bigger x-tad-biggerDi M/x-tad-bigger
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Hi Paivi, Heres some bits from a lit review i did: There is no evidence to support perineal massage in birth to assist intact peri - Stamp, G., Kruzins, G. Crowther, C. 2001, Perineal massage in labour and prevention of perineal trauma: randomised controlled trial, British Medical Journal,vol. 322, no. 7297, pp. 1277-1280. Renfrew, M., Hannah, W., Albers, L. Floyd, B. 1998 Practices that minimize trauma to the genital tract in childbirth: a systematic review of the literature,Birth,vol. 25, no. 3, pp. 143-160. I have seen in hospital perineums become very swollen after much streaching and pulling by midwives - who are trying to encourage thining but it seems to do the opposite - turned me off touching very early in my still early career andprompted me to check theresearch around the practice. But antenatal massage is supported by recent large RCT ( Labrecque) and some other smaller studies Labrecque, M., Eason, E.,Marcoux, S., Lemieux, F., Pinault, J., Feldman, P. Laperriere, L. 1999, Randomized controlled trial of prevention of perineal trauma by perineal massage during pregnancy, American Journal of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, [Online], vol. 180, no.3, pp. 593-600, Available: Ovid/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [11 March 2004]. So don't throw the baby out with the bath water!(not sure how that translates in Finish) -not all peri massage is useless. In 1998, Renfrew et al. conducted a systematic review of the literature to help define the knowledge on reduction of genital tract trauma. They concluded that antenatal perineal massage along with maternal position and method of pushing, warranted further study (Renfrew et al. 1998, p. 143). Similarly a retrospective descriptive study (Davidson, Jacoby Brown, 2000) looked at 13 variables associated with the rates of perineal lacerations (n=368). These included maternal position in labour, maternal age, parity, length of second stage and perineal massage. They found that the only factors that individually affected the extent of trauma were parity and antenatal perineal massage. Renfrew, M., Hannah, W., Albers, L. Floyd, B. 1998 Practices that minimize trauma to the genital tract in childbirth: a systematic review of the literature,Birth,vol. 25, no. 3, pp. 143-160. Davidson, K., Jacoby, S. Brown, M.2000, Prenatal perineal massage: preventing lacerations during delivery,Journal of Obstetric, Gynecologic, and Neonatal Nursing [Online],vol. 29, no. 5, pp 474-479. Available: Ovid/[EMAIL PROTECTED] [11 March 2004]. I know this only answers some of your question but it may help...suzi PS. i know there maybe no studies to support it maybe not purist hands off - but i have found in both practice and on myself in labour - a warm wet pad compress around the anal area (but so peri is still visible) is supportive and gives great comfortto those with haemorrhoids- i talk to women and if they like it i do it.
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A little off-topic when you dont do directed pushing you do not tell a woman when to push, but do you tell her when not to push? Or another way to put it does directed pushing only include telling a woman when to push, or telling her when not to push as well? Vedrana From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mary Murphy Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 4:59 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] intact peri Hi Paivi, I cannot give you statistics of homebirth as I do not have immediate access to them. I will see if we have any stats on our service that I can access. Just in general, the main way to protect the perineum is not to tell the woman to push, but to allow her to use her natural open glottis pushing, an keep hands off. At home we do not do directed pushing. I cannot speak for birth centres, but their philosophy is much the same. Each midwife does different things, but it is not usual to use compresses or perineal massage during birth. Is that what you have found Jan? I wouldnt put too much weight on the Bastian research as not all of us completed her surveys. I personally have done 3 episiotomies in 24 yrs, but would do one if I thought necessary. Hospital midwives will have to answer the one about epidurals. MM From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Päivi Sent: Monday, 2 October 2006 4:54 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] intact peri Hi all, I am writing an article on episiotomy. I need to know what is the % of intact perineum among homemidwifes or birth centres? This is when the mother is having a natural birth. Does this change if the mother has an epidural and is having the baby in a hospital? What I mean is that how much can the hospital midwife do to save the perineum if the mother has opted for epidural? Is it still mainly to do with the skills of the midwife? Or is it a harder job with a medicated mom? Do you all practise hot compresses, perineal massage with oil (during birth) / perineal support? What is the % of intact peri in a waterbirth? Many questions... Thank you for any ideas or comments. Päivi
RE: [ozmidwifery] Backward step
Hi again guys, where is the nursing care in midwifery is an interesting point. When I began my grad. last year it was stressed to me that it was important to do some work in the nursing wards to enhance my midwifery skills. I think it was because I went through doing my nursing and midwifery together as a double degree (maybe unsure of my skills because I had never been a nurse). Like rene and tiffany I only did nursing to become a midwife. The year after I began my course direct midwifery courses were introduced in my state vic. I would have loved to have gone through that way. If we want others to respect our skills as midwives as unique and a separate profession, we need to acknowledge that midwifery is not a specialist nursing field. Cheers ganesha From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Rene and Tiffany Sent: Monday, 2 October 2006 10:59 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Backward step It has been fantastic reading all the responses to the nurse/midwife question. As a nurse about to begin midwifery training, I look forward to learning and developing the specialist skills you wonderful women have described! My original response stemmed from the fact that I became a nurse ONLY to become a midwife (as there was no other way at the time), but found that, I was unable to get any exposure to such, as training nurses and RNs are generally unwelcome in maternity. I would have given anything to have the opportunity to work and help out in maternity whilst waiting to secure a student midwife place. Instead I went straight into Mental Health after I qualified as an RN, whilst waiting for one of the 6 midwifery training positions that are offered. Perhaps this does raise the issue about providing more training places for student midwives, and why is it that we have to work as NURSES for a minimum 12 months before we can train as midwives, when as many have pointed out where is the nursing care in midwifery? Thanks J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanning Sent: Monday, 2 October 2006 10:13 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward step Going back to the maternity nurse or Gen/ Obstetric nurse workingin Midwifery ishow NZ worked in the 70's 80's. It was unsatisfactory then would be the same now, despite the fact the we did 6 months obsin our general training we weren't midwives it showed. I worked in mid whilst attending homebirths, worked in birth suite, postnatal, taught pre-natal classesspent 3 yearsin charge of SCN as a RGON in the early 80's when I went to train as a midwife justlike Di MI too found it a revelation. It's a retrograde step undermines all the recognition of your specialised professionyou Australian midwives have fought so hard for. It's just another path on: follow the American leader. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: D. Morgan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: I agree Michelle, I too worked in a rural area prior to completing my Mid many years ago and can still remember the revelations I felt while learning Midwifery.As anRN non Midwife, I was quite ignorant of what a true Midwife's role involved. It was scarey stuff. Cheers Di M __ NOD32 1.1784 (20060929) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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I wonder how the government will deal with the doctor shortage.. maybe a dentist or vet ? The training isnt all that different Di - Original Message - From: Ganesha Rosat To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 2:38 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Backward step Hi again guys, where is the nursing care in midwifery is an interesting point. When I began my grad. last year it was stressed to me that it was important to do some work in the nursing wards to enhance my midwifery skills. I think it was because I went through doing my nursing and midwifery together as a double degree (maybe unsure of my skills because I had never been a nurse). Like rene and tiffany I only did nursing to become a midwife. The year after I began my course direct midwifery courses were introduced in my state vic. I would have loved to have gone through that way. If we want others to respect our skills as midwives as unique and a separate profession, we need to acknowledge that midwifery is not a specialist nursing field. Cheers ganesha From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Rene and TiffanySent: Monday, 2 October 2006 10:59 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Backward step It has been fantastic reading all the responses to the nurse/midwife question. As a nurse about to begin midwifery training, I look forward to learning and developing the specialist skills you wonderful women have described! My original response stemmed from the fact that I became a nurse ONLY to become a midwife (as there was no other way at the time), but found that, I was unable to get any exposure to such, as training nurses and RNs are generally unwelcome in maternity. I would have given anything to have the opportunity to work and help out in maternity whilst waiting to secure a student midwife place. Instead I went straight into Mental Health after I qualified as an RN, whilst waiting for one of the 6 midwifery training positions that are offered. Perhaps this does raise the issue about providing more training places for student midwives, and why is it that we have to work as NURSES for a minimum 12 months before we can train as midwives, when as many have pointed out where is the nursing care in midwifery? Thanks J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanningSent: Monday, 2 October 2006 10:13 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward step Going back to the maternity nurse or Gen/ Obstetric nurse workingin Midwifery ishow NZ worked in the 70's 80's. It was unsatisfactory then would be the same now, despite the fact the we did 6 months obsin our general training we weren't midwives it showed. I worked in mid whilst attending homebirths, worked in birth suite, postnatal, taught pre-natal classesspent 3 yearsin charge of SCN as a RGON in the early 80's when I went to train as a midwife justlike Di MI too found it a revelation. It's a retrograde step undermines all the recognition of your specialised professionyou Australian midwives have fought so hard for. It's just another path on: "follow the American leader". With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: D. Morgan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: I agree Michelle, I too worked in a rural area prior to completing my Mid many years ago and can still remember the revelations I felt while learning Midwifery.As anRN non Midwife, I was quite ignorant of what a true Midwife's role involved. It was scarey stuff. Cheers Di M __ NOD32 1.1784 (20060929) Information __This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system.http://www.eset.com
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Ganesha! Victoria has direct mid courses too?!! Thats awesome I thought it was only south Australia that did. If I had a choice I would not have done nursing just midwifery. My family is all doctors and nurses and I NEVER wanted to be a nurse. Im in Queensland and we still have to do nursing first we are s behind! My goal has always been to one day be an independent midwife and I have been ridiculed and dismissed by some of the nurses in my family because of this. Once I complete my mid training I wont nurse again but I am kind of glad now I have that skill Ren (husband) is a doctor doing GP training and wants to go into rural practice so I might be more equip to help him out if he needs as well as get into those rural areas where there is a need for midwives. This forum has been great guys thankyou youre have really helped me broaden my understanding! Tiff J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Ganesha Rosat Sent: Monday, 2 October 2006 2:39 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Backward step Hi again guys, where is the nursing care in midwifery is an interesting point. When I began my grad. last year it was stressed to me that it was important to do some work in the nursing wards to enhance my midwifery skills. I think it was because I went through doing my nursing and midwifery together as a double degree (maybe unsure of my skills because I had never been a nurse). Like rene and tiffany I only did nursing to become a midwife. The year after I began my course direct midwifery courses were introduced in my state vic. I would have loved to have gone through that way. If we want others to respect our skills as midwives as unique and a separate profession, we need to acknowledge that midwifery is not a specialist nursing field. Cheers ganesha From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Rene and Tiffany Sent: Monday, 2 October 2006 10:59 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Backward step It has been fantastic reading all the responses to the nurse/midwife question. As a nurse about to begin midwifery training, I look forward to learning and developing the specialist skills you wonderful women have described! My original response stemmed from the fact that I became a nurse ONLY to become a midwife (as there was no other way at the time), but found that, I was unable to get any exposure to such, as training nurses and RNs are generally unwelcome in maternity. I would have given anything to have the opportunity to work and help out in maternity whilst waiting to secure a student midwife place. Instead I went straight into Mental Health after I qualified as an RN, whilst waiting for one of the 6 midwifery training positions that are offered. Perhaps this does raise the issue about providing more training places for student midwives, and why is it that we have to work as NURSES for a minimum 12 months before we can train as midwives, when as many have pointed out where is the nursing care in midwifery? Thanks J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanning Sent: Monday, 2 October 2006 10:13 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward step Going back to the maternity nurse or Gen/ Obstetric nurse workingin Midwifery ishow NZ worked in the 70's 80's. It was unsatisfactory then would be the same now, despite the fact the we did 6 months obsin our general training we weren't midwives it showed. I worked in mid whilst attending homebirths, worked in birth suite, postnatal, taught pre-natal classesspent 3 yearsin charge of SCN as a RGON in the early 80's when I went to train as a midwife justlike Di MI too found it a revelation. It's a retrograde step undermines all the recognition of your specialised professionyou Australian midwives have fought so hard for. It's just another path on: follow the American leader. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: D. Morgan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: I agree Michelle, I too worked in a rural area prior to completing my Mid many years ago and can still remember the revelations I felt while learning Midwifery.As anRN non Midwife, I was quite ignorant of what a true Midwife's role involved. It was scarey stuff. Cheers Di M __ NOD32 1.1784 (20060929) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com
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Tiff, we have them in NSW too! Uni of Technology in Sydney. Di - Original Message - From: Rene and Tiffany To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 3:30 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Backward step Ganesha! Victoria has direct mid courses too?!! Thats awesome I thought it was only south Australia that did. If I had a choice I would not have done nursing just midwifery. My family is all doctors and nurses and I NEVER wanted to be a nurse. Im in Queensland and we still have to do nursing first we are s behind! My goal has always been to one day be an independent midwife and I have been ridiculed and dismissed by some of the nurses in my family because of this. Once I complete my mid training I wont nurse again but I am kind of glad now I have that skill René (husband) is a doctor doing GP training and wants to go into rural practice so I might be more equip to help him out if he needs as well as get into those rural areas where there is a need for midwives. This forum has been great guys thankyou youre have really helped me broaden my understanding! Tiff J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Ganesha RosatSent: Monday, 2 October 2006 2:39 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Backward step Hi again guys, where is the nursing care in midwifery is an interesting point. When I began my grad. last year it was stressed to me that it was important to do some work in the nursing wards to enhance my midwifery skills. I think it was because I went through doing my nursing and midwifery together as a double degree (maybe unsure of my skills because I had never been a nurse). Like rene and tiffany I only did nursing to become a midwife. The year after I began my course direct midwifery courses were introduced in my state vic. I would have loved to have gone through that way. If we want others to respect our skills as midwives as unique and a separate profession, we need to acknowledge that midwifery is not a specialist nursing field. Cheers ganesha From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of Rene and TiffanySent: Monday, 2 October 2006 10:59 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Backward step It has been fantastic reading all the responses to the nurse/midwife question. As a nurse about to begin midwifery training, I look forward to learning and developing the specialist skills you wonderful women have described! My original response stemmed from the fact that I became a nurse ONLY to become a midwife (as there was no other way at the time), but found that, I was unable to get any exposure to such, as training nurses and RNs are generally unwelcome in maternity. I would have given anything to have the opportunity to work and help out in maternity whilst waiting to secure a student midwife place. Instead I went straight into Mental Health after I qualified as an RN, whilst waiting for one of the 6 midwifery training positions that are offered. Perhaps this does raise the issue about providing more training places for student midwives, and why is it that we have to work as NURSES for a minimum 12 months before we can train as midwives, when as many have pointed out where is the nursing care in midwifery? Thanks J From: owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au [mailto:owner-ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au] On Behalf Of brendamanningSent: Monday, 2 October 2006 10:13 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Backward step Going back to the maternity nurse or Gen/ Obstetric nurse workingin Midwifery ishow NZ worked in the 70's 80's. It was unsatisfactory then would be the same now, despite the fact the we did 6 months obsin our general training we weren't midwives it showed. I worked in mid whilst attending homebirths, worked in birth suite, postnatal, taught pre-natal classesspent 3 yearsin charge of SCN as a RGON in the early 80's when I went to train as a midwife justlike Di MI too found it a revelation. It's a retrograde step undermines all the recognition of your specialised professionyou Australian midwives have fought so hard for. It's just another path on: "follow the American leader". With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: D. Morgan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] RE: I agree Michelle, I too worked
