Re: [ozmidwifery] Dr Jose Villars and pre-eclampsia
Interestingly Lea and Janet, women who are relaxed, given plenty of opportunity to talk about their lives and what pregnancy and parenting mean to them as part of relationship based midwifery care also seem to avoid pre eclampsia - it could be nutritionally mediated as well, as we spend time talking to women about what they eat. Out of all the women we have looked after through Belmont, we have had 2 women out of the 280 who have given birth so far through the service, who got pre eclampsia in pregnancy and one whose BP went up after giving birth. Several women whose legs have been oedematous, (they had no signs of pre eclampsia), had great results from lymphatic drainage aka reflexology. It is easy to see the huge difference after the massage/reflexology session and the women sure feel different in themselves. Sitting down, massaging women's feet gives a great opportunity to talk about what is going on in their lives and it is ALWAYS a lot. Once the tension dissipates, so does the oedema. all fascinating. only anecdotal :-) but fascinating (dis)stress and tension have a lot to answer for I reckon. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Lea Mason To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, December 27, 2006 4:35 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Dr Jose Villars and pre-eclampsia Hi Janet, I haven't heard of this man's work but here are a couple of interesting articles about pre-eclampsia if you are looking into current studies by doctors. Even though they are referring to new ways of treating with drugs, I think both these articles actually point to nutrition having a huge effect. If they are finding that Evidence suggests that the disorder is triggered when the fetus is not able to absorb sufficient amounts of oxygen from the placental blood supply... then what is it that would enable better ability to absorb oxygen from the placental blood supply?...good nutrition - which allows a healthy placenta to develop. So Dr Tom Brewer's idea that pre-eclampsia can be avoided by excellent nutrition during pregnancy still holds true as we find out more and more about the condition from studies. http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/articles/060724fa_fact http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/latimes/access/1123568331.html?dids=1123568331:1123568331FMT=ABSFMTS=ABS:FTtype=currentdate=Sep+7%2C+2006author=Thomas+H.+Maugh+IIpub=Los+Angeles+Timesedition=startpage=A.19desc=The+Nation (I've emailed you privately the full text of this one) Cheers, Lea Mason, AAHCC Certified Bradley® Natural Childbirth Educator Labour Support Professional http://www.birthsteps.com.au - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, December 20, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Dr Jose Villars and pre-eclampsia Hi, I'm looking online for this man's work and can't find anything much but a mention at the US patent office. This makes me suspicious but anyway... Apparently the thrust of his work is that nutrition has no effect on pre-eclampsia, something with which I cannot agree. But I can't find his work to read! The preeclampsiafoundation.org people like him but their site is solely surgeon-driven and that too I don't like! Anyone help me? Very grateful : ) J For home birth information go to: Joyous Birth Australian home birth network and forums. http://www.joyousbirth.info/ Or email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
Hello Sue, I hope that your bathrooms also have a ventilation unit and scavenger units for the N2O2 - this is dangerous stuff to use in unventilated areas - see this for more info: http://www.birthinternational.com/articles/andrea27.html More to the point - while I know that it is common in the UK for almost every woman (in the bath or even giving birth at home) to use nitrous oxide, I always question its use, especially when water and baths are freely available as a safer alternative. The provision of this gas sends a powerful message that not even warm water will ease the pain and that a little something may/will also be needed. When will we (midwives, supporters) stop sending these messages that encourage dependence on drugs for labouring women? Regards Andrea At 11:17 PM 26/12/2006, you wrote: Just a fairly good size ordinary bath Mary, but quite deep, not what we would have chosen had we midwives been allowed to have any input into the upgrades. The new renovations are good on the whole - all our birth rooms now have a good size en-suite shower and toilet, and the bathroom (when we can use it) has piped N2O2. The ward bathrooms are new also and a great improvement on the old ones! Happy New year to all Sue - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Sue, what sort of bath is it? A proper one with good depth and width or a larger ordinary bath? MM -- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Saturday, 23 December 2006 11:56 PM To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Amy Yes, that's the place. The policy is written, now apparently awaiting executive approval, then no doubt they'll find another reason to prevent us using the bath. Watch this space!! I'm tempted to wrap the door up in red tape as that is what seems to be happening. sigh Sue - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]adamnamy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Sue, Can I ask, do you work at Swans? I saw in the local paper that they have upgraded the facilities and have installed and new bath. It would be a bit mean (not to mention misleading) to market it and then tell women they can't use it. Amy -- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 9:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Mary, you may also be interested to know that our brand new bath (where I work) is yet to be used because we -apparently - have to have a policy in place before women are allowed to use it for labour! Even though no other hospital seems to have seen this as a necessary requirement. Births in this pristine piece of porcelain are verbotten, but we will utilise the KEMH policy for 'unplanned' waterbirths. However we are still wondering when the powers that be will actually risk letting our labouring women get into the bath. It's been sitting there unused for some months now!! Merry Christmas to you too, and to all on the list Sue - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed
resending this and hoping it gets to the list. - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: help needed I have a good friend from Kununurra who has gone to Perth who is 9 days post dates and wishing desperately for a vbac. She is seeing the clinic at Osborne park and has had a show and periods of niggling and sporadic contractions for the past few days. Has been told today to come in for c/section tomorrow at 0630 and the staff are refusing to to a sweep and stretch ( even though the Reg said to have one 1 week ago) I have advised castor oil and to question why tomorrow. They have mentioned fluid levels dropping, but haven't done anything about that- sounds like scary medical tactics to me. Has anyone got any ideas, I would like to be there to do a sweep but I'm in Victoria. Thanks Cath
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed
Has she been in touch with the women from Birthrites? Someone could support her to just stay home until labour is established which sounds about the only way she will achieve a vaginal birth. I hate how women are put in these appalling positions. J - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed resending this and hoping it gets to the list. - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: help needed I have a good friend from Kununurra who has gone to Perth who is 9 days post dates and wishing desperately for a vbac. She is seeing the clinic at Osborne park and has had a show and periods of niggling and sporadic contractions for the past few days. Has been told today to come in for c/section tomorrow at 0630 and the staff are refusing to to a sweep and stretch ( even though the Reg said to have one 1 week ago) I have advised castor oil and to question why tomorrow. They have mentioned fluid levels dropping, but haven't done anything about that- sounds like scary medical tactics to me. Has anyone got any ideas, I would like to be there to do a sweep but I'm in Victoria. Thanks Cath
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed
I'm kicking myself that I hadn't mentioned that earlier. She has a very supportive husband and Mum, but is running into the comments of just have the caesar from what she feels is everyone she meets. They are staying in a cabin in Perth somewhere, as vbac is not allowedin Kununurra. I have suggested she tries to get her mind off bad thoughts and try to have a big belly laugh . Someone told me the video Kenny is funny and I thought it may just help her to relax. One doctor has even told this couple today that after 10 days overdue the baby is at risk of cerebral palsy. dani said her husband was bewildered by that after the visit and she was in tears, not knowing what to say. first section was for breech by the way, I was with her for that, 39weeks and lashings of vernix covering the 3kg baby. I have emphasised that she can say no but the scare tactics are very forceful. G. They are both scared of getting all the staff offside as well. Cath - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed Has she been in touch with the women from Birthrites? Someone could support her to just stay home until labour is established which sounds about the only way she will achieve a vaginal birth. I hate how women are put in these appalling positions. J - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed resending this and hoping it gets to the list. - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: help needed I have a good friend from Kununurra who has gone to Perth who is 9 days post dates and wishing desperately for a vbac. She is seeing the clinic at Osborne park and has had a show and periods of niggling and sporadic contractions for the past few days. Has been told today to come in for c/section tomorrow at 0630 and the staff are refusing to to a sweep and stretch ( even though the Reg said to have one 1 week ago) I have advised castor oil and to question why tomorrow. They have mentioned fluid levels dropping, but haven't done anything about that- sounds like scary medical tactics to me. Has anyone got any ideas, I would like to be there to do a sweep but I'm in Victoria. Thanks Cath
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed
Well,..the bottom line is that she can only be caesared by consenting to surgery. Kununurra cannot refuse to treat her (negligence) nor remove her from their premises by force (assault). If she does't want surgery she needs to stay away from the places where surgery happens ! Turning up fully dilated usually does the trick ! No one can operate on her while she is sitting on the couch at home !! With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed I'm kicking myself that I hadn't mentioned that earlier. She has a very supportive husband and Mum, but is running into the comments of just have the caesar from what she feels is everyone she meets. They are staying in a cabin in Perth somewhere, as vbac is not allowedin Kununurra. I have suggested she tries to get her mind off bad thoughts and try to have a big belly laugh . Someone told me the video Kenny is funny and I thought it may just help her to relax. One doctor has even told this couple today that after 10 days overdue the baby is at risk of cerebral palsy. dani said her husband was bewildered by that after the visit and she was in tears, not knowing what to say. first section was for breech by the way, I was with her for that, 39weeks and lashings of vernix covering the 3kg baby. I have emphasised that she can say no but the scare tactics are very forceful. G. They are both scared of getting all the staff offside as well. Cath - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed Has she been in touch with the women from Birthrites? Someone could support her to just stay home until labour is established which sounds about the only way she will achieve a vaginal birth. I hate how women are put in these appalling positions. J - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed resending this and hoping it gets to the list. - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: help needed I have a good friend from Kununurra who has gone to Perth who is 9 days post dates and wishing desperately for a vbac. She is seeing the clinic at Osborne park and has had a show and periods of niggling and sporadic contractions for the past few days. Has been told today to come in for c/section tomorrow at 0630 and the staff are refusing to to a sweep and stretch ( even though the Reg said to have one 1 week ago) I have advised castor oil and to question why tomorrow. They have mentioned fluid levels dropping, but haven't done anything about that- sounds like scary medical tactics to me. Has anyone got any ideas, I would like to be there to do a sweep but I'm in Victoria. Thanks Cath -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth
I agree Andrea and confess I was a little surprised to see the N2O2 in place as I also thought that water immersion was preferable and an option to medication. Yes, there is a scavenger (I think!!) As we are still not allowed to use the bath all this is yet to be tried out. Thanks for the info Sue - Original Message - From: Andrea Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:57 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hello Sue, I hope that your bathrooms also have a ventilation unit and scavenger units for the N2O2 - this is dangerous stuff to use in unventilated areas - see this for more info: http://www.birthinternational.com/articles/andrea27.html More to the point - while I know that it is common in the UK for almost every woman (in the bath or even giving birth at home) to use nitrous oxide, I always question its use, especially when water and baths are freely available as a safer alternative. The provision of this gas sends a powerful message that not even warm water will ease the pain and that a little something may/will also be needed. When will we (midwives, supporters) stop sending these messages that encourage dependence on drugs for labouring women? Regards Andrea At 11:17 PM 26/12/2006, you wrote: Just a fairly good size ordinary bath Mary, but quite deep, not what we would have chosen had we midwives been allowed to have any input into the upgrades. The new renovations are good on the whole - all our birth rooms now have a good size en-suite shower and toilet, and the bathroom (when we can use it) has piped N2O2. The ward bathrooms are new also and a great improvement on the old ones! Happy New year to all Sue - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Sunday, December 24, 2006 6:27 AM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Sue, what sort of bath is it? A proper one with good depth and width or a larger ordinary bath? MM -- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Saturday, 23 December 2006 11:56 PM To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Hi Amy Yes, that's the place. The policy is written, now apparently awaiting executive approval, then no doubt they'll find another reason to prevent us using the bath. Watch this space!! I'm tempted to wrap the door up in red tape as that is what seems to be happening. sigh Sue - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]adamnamy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 9:06 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Sue, Can I ask, do you work at Swans? I saw in the local paper that they have upgraded the facilities and have installed and new bath. It would be a bit mean (not to mention misleading) to market it and then tell women they can't use it. Amy -- From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Cudlipp Sent: Thursday, 21 December 2006 9:55 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Mary, you may also be interested to know that our brand new bath (where I work) is yet to be used because we -apparently - have to have a policy in place before women are allowed to use it for labour! Even though no other hospital seems to have seen this as a necessary requirement. Births in this pristine piece of porcelain are verbotten, but we will utilise the KEMH policy for 'unplanned' waterbirths. However we are still wondering when the powers that be will actually risk letting our labouring women get into the bath. It's been sitting there unused for some months now!! Merry Christmas to you too, and to all on the list Sue - Original Message - From: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Mary Murphy To: mailto:ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 8:33 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] waterbirth Thank you all for your swift replies. I am supporting midwife who, as a midwife in homebirth, did lots of water births and was recently present at a water birth in a hospital where SHE supported the midwife who supported a woman's wishes for a water birth. As we have only 'accidental' water birth policies in WA hospitals, these midwives are being 'hauled over the coals' for not making the woman get out of the water to birth. Lots of intimidation going on. This will all help. Thanks and Merry Christmas, Mary M -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.15.15/581 - Release Date: 9/12/2006 3:41 PM -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version:
Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed
She is in Perth, 3000kms from Kununurra trying to make it happen.. I have talked with her about options, and someone off this list is going to see her this afternoon. I love how this list works, as my husband often says, we're all sisters. Cath - Original Message - From: brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 6:17 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed Well,..the bottom line is that she can only be caesared by consenting to surgery. Kununurra cannot refuse to treat her (negligence) nor remove her from their premises by force (assault). If she does't want surgery she needs to stay away from the places where surgery happens ! Turning up fully dilated usually does the trick ! No one can operate on her while she is sitting on the couch at home !! With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 4:23 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed I'm kicking myself that I hadn't mentioned that earlier. She has a very supportive husband and Mum, but is running into the comments of just have the caesar from what she feels is everyone she meets. They are staying in a cabin in Perth somewhere, as vbac is not allowedin Kununurra. I have suggested she tries to get her mind off bad thoughts and try to have a big belly laugh . Someone told me the video Kenny is funny and I thought it may just help her to relax. One doctor has even told this couple today that after 10 days overdue the baby is at risk of cerebral palsy. dani said her husband was bewildered by that after the visit and she was in tears, not knowing what to say. first section was for breech by the way, I was with her for that, 39weeks and lashings of vernix covering the 3kg baby. I have emphasised that she can say no but the scare tactics are very forceful. G. They are both scared of getting all the staff offside as well. Cath - Original Message - From: Janet Fraser To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:21 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed Has she been in touch with the women from Birthrites? Someone could support her to just stay home until labour is established which sounds about the only way she will achieve a vaginal birth. I hate how women are put in these appalling positions. J - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 3:05 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Fw: help needed resending this and hoping it gets to the list. - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 28, 2006 2:10 PM Subject: help needed I have a good friend from Kununurra who has gone to Perth who is 9 days post dates and wishing desperately for a vbac. She is seeing the clinic at Osborne park and has had a show and periods of niggling and sporadic contractions for the past few days. Has been told today to come in for c/section tomorrow at 0630 and the staff are refusing to to a sweep and stretch ( even though the Reg said to have one 1 week ago) I have advised castor oil and to question why tomorrow. They have mentioned fluid levels dropping, but haven't done anything about that- sounds like scary medical tactics to me. Has anyone got any ideas, I would like to be there to do a sweep but I'm in Victoria. Thanks Cath -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
