Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

2007-01-22 Thread Amy Rigano

Hi Raelene

My husband and I Co-slept and continue to do so with our two children. 
Infact when they are not sleeping with us they are sleeping together in one 
of their beds (super cute).


My husband and I never worried about smothering them and I found it somewhat 
troubling that hospital staff would freakout when you feel asleep with baby 
on the breast. So good on you for looking into this so women and their 
babies have an option other than getting no sleep alone or getting sleep 
together.


For the record I am sure that I would have struggled more (and she was 
difficult) in 18 months of my daughters life if I did not co sleep with her.


Babies are smart and they instictively know when they are close to mum. Also 
with all of this 'secure attachment' theories that some governement maternal 
health centres are preaching you would think that co-sleeping would be 
encouraged and not scare tactics on increasing SIDS.


Co-sleeping also makes everyone else happy as they are not listening to a 
grumpy, sleep depraived mother and her snitchy, overtired (and lonely) baby.


Amy Rigano
- Original Message - 
From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:24 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping


Hi everyone,
I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and 
want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies 
whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been 
developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that 
is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a 
biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any 
information. Can you help.

Regards
Raelene George
Maternity Ward
Kalgoorlie Hospital
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Re: [ozmidwifery] * tough* membranes

2007-01-22 Thread Jo Watson
I put on almost 20kg and mine had to be broken after the birth :)  I  
know it's just anecdote, but I find this stuff interesting.


Jo

On 22/01/2007, at 9:21 AM, Michelle Windsor wrote:

I haven't heard of this Jo but did read something fairly recently  
(possibly on this list!) that women who took vitamin C were less  
likely to have pre-labour ruptured membranes.  It is interesting  
that some women's membranes seem to break so easily, like when  
doing a VE and others stay intact until birth.  Maybe there is a  
relation between maternal nutrition and the membranes.


Cheers
Michelle

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Sent: Monday, 22 January, 2007 10:07:14 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] * tough* membranes

I have absolutely no data on this, but someone once told me it  
correlates with weight gain during pregnancy.  Has anyone else  
heard of this?


Jo

On 21/01/2007, at 9:22 PM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote:


Hi all,

Can anyone comment on what makes the membranes 'tough'..ie. hard  
to break (AROM) or *slow* to break naturally ? (hard to measure  
yes) Does this exist or is it just something that happens?


Many thanks,

Kristin


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Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

2007-01-22 Thread James Fairbairn

I am also in favour for at least putting the case to new parents for
co-sleeping... I hear so often in my classes - in the coffee breaks - that
the new mums are terrified of setting up bad habits and have heard so-and-so
had made that mistake and was having a nihgtmare  now. I had one extreme
case of an older mum so concerned about 'spoiling' the baby that she only
picked her up for feeding times and wouldn't let the husband hold her too
often!!  I think it's a case for explaining to new parents - whats the worst
that could happen: maybe the toddler gets used to parents bed for 'too'
ong  - but the positives are - as everyone has mentioned - a less tired
mum - not needing to completely wake up in the night when feeding and having
a more secure and contented
baby - as they say a secure infant is a confident child. My 3rd was 
cosleeping by default as my 3yr old and 18mth old were challenging enough 
and contemplating forcing a  crying baby into a cot every night was too much 
to deal with! - Maybe not surprisingly she was the one who was happy to be 
in her own cot space by about 6 months and never had bed time issues.
Isn't there a study that gives infants who sleep in the same bed / room as 
their parents much less of a risk of SIDS? (sorry can;t remember the ref. -) 
is is somethnig to do with the immaturity of their respiritory system being 
'reminded' by the parents rhythm and even the higher CO2 concentration close 
to the baby initiates a breathing reflex.

Steph- perth
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From: diane [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping



I found this one too...
http://www.babybunk.com/whatis.htm

Di

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From: Kristi Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping



Hi Raelene,

Here are just a few websites I found re: co-sleeping cots...hope this
helps!

http://www.babydelight.com/snuggle_nest.html - The Snuggle Nest

http://armsreach.com/ - Bassinettes that attach to the side of the bed
for
baby

http://www.thefirstyears.com - On this page, go down to the 'Safe 
Secure
Sleeper' to see another version of the Snuggle Nest

http://www.babybunk.com/ More bassinettes that attach to the side of the
bed


All the best,

Kristi
Midwifery student, Canada

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Raelene
Sent: January 21, 2007 9:55 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

Hi everyone,
I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping
and
want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies
whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been
developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot
that
is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a
biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any
information. Can you help.
Regards
Raelene George
Maternity Ward
Kalgoorlie Hospital
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Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

2007-01-22 Thread Helen and Graham
Having worked in Vietnam for 8 months - I asked some of the women how long 
before the baby sleeps in his own bed in Vietnam?  They said, usually by 5 
years when they go to school but often not until about 8!!


Western culture is warped on this subject.  Hey I realise co-sleeping has 
its downsides too but it's a matter of meeting everyone's needs the best way 
you can.


Helen
Mother of a 9 year old who still sleeps in our room in a bed next to ours.

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From: James Fairbairn [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 8:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping



I am also in favour for at least putting the case to new parents for
co-sleeping... I hear so often in my classes - in the coffee breaks - that
the new mums are terrified of setting up bad habits and have heard 
so-and-so

had made that mistake and was having a nihgtmare  now. I had one extreme
case of an older mum so concerned about 'spoiling' the baby that she only
picked her up for feeding times and wouldn't let the husband hold her too
often!!  I think it's a case for explaining to new parents - whats the 
worst

that could happen: maybe the toddler gets used to parents bed for 'too'
ong  - but the positives are - as everyone has mentioned - a less tired
mum - not needing to completely wake up in the night when feeding and 
having

a more secure and contented
baby - as they say a secure infant is a confident child. My 3rd was 
cosleeping by default as my 3yr old and 18mth old were challenging enough 
and contemplating forcing a  crying baby into a cot every night was too 
much to deal with! - Maybe not surprisingly she was the one who was happy 
to be in her own cot space by about 6 months and never had bed time 
issues.
Isn't there a study that gives infants who sleep in the same bed / room as 
their parents much less of a risk of SIDS? (sorry can;t remember the 
ref. -) is is somethnig to do with the immaturity of their respiritory 
system being 'reminded' by the parents rhythm and even the higher CO2 
concentration close to the baby initiates a breathing reflex.

Steph- perth
- Original Message - 
From: diane [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 3:18 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping



I found this one too...
http://www.babybunk.com/whatis.htm

Di

- Original Message - 
From: Kristi Kemp [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 1:39 PM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping



Hi Raelene,

Here are just a few websites I found re: co-sleeping cots...hope this
helps!

http://www.babydelight.com/snuggle_nest.html - The Snuggle Nest

http://armsreach.com/ - Bassinettes that attach to the side of the bed
for
baby

http://www.thefirstyears.com - On this page, go down to the 'Safe 
Secure
Sleeper' to see another version of the Snuggle Nest

http://www.babybunk.com/ More bassinettes that attach to the side of the
bed


All the best,

Kristi
Midwifery student, Canada

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Raelene
Sent: January 21, 2007 9:55 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

Hi everyone,
I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping
and
want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies
whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been
developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot
that
is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a
biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any
information. Can you help.
Regards
Raelene George
Maternity Ward
Kalgoorlie Hospital
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RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

2007-01-22 Thread A C Palmer
There is heaps of info out there in cyberspace on co-sleeping.
To add to your list - look up any information by Dr James McKenna. He is
from US or Canada and spoke at an ABA conference in Hobart in 2005. He was
fantastic!

I grew up in Asia (parents worked there from when I was a baby) and the only
model of sleeping that I was aware of was co-sleeping. When a baby/child
moves out of the parental bed, it's into a bed with siblings, aunties,
grandmothers etc. Sleep in never solitary. Maternity units assume
co-sleeping and breastfeeding.

BTW, we co-slept all three children and very tactile 5 year old still visits
in the wee hours for her snuggle time. 

Also, I was speaking to a girlfriend in UK in Dec, who just had her first
baby - breech LSCS. From when she returned from theatres, she had a
co-sleeping cot attached to her bed. She was told that all LSCS mums had one
attached. This normalised co-sleeping for her and she has kept doing it at
home.

Good luck with finding the information you are after.
Cath Palmer

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Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 12:55 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

Hi everyone,
I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and
want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies
whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been
developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that
is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a
biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any
information. Can you help.
Regards
Raelene George
Maternity Ward
Kalgoorlie Hospital
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Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

2007-01-22 Thread michelle gascoigne
We use these in England they are called clip on cots. not sure where to get 
them from but can try to find out for you. We  have them on all beds to 
promote breastfeeding.

Shelly
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From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:54 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping


Hi everyone,
I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping and 
want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies 
whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been 
developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot that 
is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a 
biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any 
information. Can you help.

Regards
Raelene George
Maternity Ward
Kalgoorlie Hospital
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Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

2007-01-22 Thread Jo Bourne
Maybe I am alone in this but having coslept with our first and used a  
cot for #2 I found the opposite to be true - I get so much better  
quality sleep without the baby in bed with me that it is definitely  
worthwhile getting up even three times a night to feed her and then  
put her back in the cot. She is wonderfully secure and content and I  
really feel we have brought out the best in her sleep tendencies  
rather than the worst as we did with #1. Sleeping well is a life  
skill and to be honest I don't feel that we did #1 any favourss.


I am not suggesting that cosleeping be discrouraged, we would  
absolutely have done it again if the bassinets/cot plan hadn't  
worked. But I guess I just don't think that cosleeping is necessarily  
a miracle cure either. I think the best solution is assuring parents  
that cosleeping can be done safely, that they can't spoil a baby and  
that they should do what works for them whatever that is.



On 22/01/2007, at 8:53 PM, James Fairbairn wrote:


 but the positives are - as everyone has mentioned - a less tired
mum - not needing to completely wake up in the night when feeding  
and having

a more secure and contented
baby




RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

2007-01-22 Thread Megan Larry
Know where you are coming from Jo. LOL 
 
We started co-sleping with #3, shift in ideas and necessity as he was a
shocking sleeper. Even with being in bed with me he needed to be rocked for
long periods through the night. Finally after 2 years we had our first full
night sleep.
We are still sleeping with #4 and at 2 1/2yrs we are trying to achieve
something close to a full nights sleep. 
 
Both were and little one still is demand fed, which included many feeds
during the night. 
 
I wouldn't change it, I have no doubt that with #3 in particular, that he
was just not into sleeping and a cot set up would have never worked. The
best part was waking up to his beautiful pudgy face in the morning, seeing
your child wake is a truly priceless experience.
 
For us, our 2 that slept in a cot were the best sleepers. 
 
After 5 years of very poor sleep I am exhausted and for us co-sleeping
hasn't been quite as dreamy as it is often spelt out. Possibly just unlucky
in having 2 non-sleepers, in which case laying in bed settling is much
easier than standing next to a cot for hours.
 
But, what I wouldn't give for a good nights sleep. Looking after 4 boys
under 8 requires enormous amount of energy and a sleep deprived Mum is not
always so pretty...
 
cheers
Megan

  _  

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 8:44 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping


Maybe I am alone in this but having coslept with our first and used a cot
for #2 I found the opposite to be true - I get so much better quality sleep
without the baby in bed with me that it is definitely worthwhile getting up
even three times a night to feed her and then put her back in the cot. She
is wonderfully secure and content and I really feel we have brought out the
best in her sleep tendencies rather than the worst as we did with #1.
Sleeping well is a life skill and to be honest I don't feel that we did #1
any favourss. 

I am not suggesting that cosleeping be discrouraged, we would absolutely
have done it again if the bassinets/cot plan hadn't worked. But I guess I
just don't think that cosleeping is necessarily a miracle cure either. I
think the best solution is assuring parents that cosleeping can be done
safely, that they can't spoil a baby and that they should do what works for
them whatever that is. 


On 22/01/2007, at 8:53 PM, James Fairbairn wrote:


but the positives are - as everyone has mentioned - a less tired

mum - not needing to completely wake up in the night when feeding and having

a more secure and contented

baby




Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

2007-01-22 Thread Stephen Felicity
Sounds like that would be a really handy product! In their absence, though, 
there's always the good old side-car cot (remove side from cot, tie the cot 
to the side of the adult bed so it doesn't slip away from the bed, place a 
sheet over both the adult bed and the cot so there's no gap or suffocation 
risk for baby) which can be set up with any cot.  :)


Felicity - Membership Officer and Site Admin
Every woman, and every baby, and every family deserve Joyous Birth!
http://www.joyousbirth.info/
Australian home birth network.

Remember this, for it is as true as true gets: your body is not a lemon! - 
Ina May Gaskin
- Original Message - 
From: michelle gascoigne [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping


We use these in England they are called clip on cots. not sure where to 
get them from but can try to find out for you. We  have them on all beds 
to promote breastfeeding.

Shelly
- Original Message - 
From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:54 AM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

Hi everyone,
I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding co-sleeping 
and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for mothers and babies 
whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special cot that has been 
developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but in a separate cot 
that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures of babies using a 
biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this way, but can't find any 
information. Can you help.

Regards
Raelene George
Maternity Ward
Kalgoorlie Hospital
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[ozmidwifery] ABPNS Conference - Andrea, Justine, Barb Carolyn to speak

2007-01-22 Thread Kelly Zantey
As the subject states, updated industry speakers include Andrea Robertson
(Birth International), Justine Caines (MC), Carolyn Hastie (Midwifery
Manager, Belmont Birth Centre) and Barb Glare (ABA) who will all speak on
the current and past industry challenges and achievements, and how/what we
can all help move forward sooner. I have also invited Nicola Roxton from the
ALP party, she is currently on leave, but I am chasing it up as quick as I
can and shall use my best powers of persuasion! 

 

A reminder that this event in the Sofitel Melbourne is a once-off event
only. Due to the huge amounts of time and effort required in planning these
conferences, I am not planning on running this event again. So once we're
full, we're full - the other rooms are booked out so we can't get more
space. 

 

If you want this one and only opportunity to hear our best Australian
industry speakers in the one room, while learning the secrets to getting
your message across to consumers, the media and developing personally and
professionally, you need to make a commitment to be there and book quickly.
Be involved in an industry first.

 

http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au
http://www.abpnsconference2007.com.au/  - while you are there don't forget
to add yourself to the mailing list for updates.

 

If you can help in any way distributing flyers or spreading the word, please
email me.

 

Looking forward to seeing you there - it's going to be an amazing, charged
conference - you'll be soo disappointed if you miss it.

 

Best Regards,

 

Kelly Zantey

Creator,  http://www.bellybelly.com.au BellyBelly.com.au

Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby

 http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support

 



RE: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

2007-01-22 Thread Megan Larry
We did this and #3 still managed to find his way to the end of it and fall
out of bed. I put a high backed chair in the way, so he fell out of the
other side of the bed.
The answer was to put the mattress on the floor, and there it stayed for a
long time. My bedroom is never going to win any Better Homes and Gardens
decoration award. Doesn't matter how pretty a quilt cover I buy, the Thomas
the Tank one immediately next to it will always shine brighter. LoL

Keeping a sense of humour helps,
Megan 

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Felicity
Sent: Tuesday, 23 January 2007 9:15 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

Sounds like that would be a really handy product! In their absence, though,
there's always the good old side-car cot (remove side from cot, tie the cot
to the side of the adult bed so it doesn't slip away from the bed, place a
sheet over both the adult bed and the cot so there's no gap or suffocation
risk for baby) which can be set up with any cot.  :)

Felicity - Membership Officer and Site Admin Every woman, and every baby,
and every family deserve Joyous Birth!
http://www.joyousbirth.info/
Australian home birth network.

Remember this, for it is as true as true gets: your body is not a lemon! -
Ina May Gaskin
- Original Message -
From: michelle gascoigne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 4:47 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping


 We use these in England they are called clip on cots. not sure where 
 to get them from but can try to find out for you. We  have them on all 
 beds to promote breastfeeding.
 Shelly
 - Original Message -
 From: George, Raelene [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
 Sent: Monday, January 22, 2007 2:54 AM
 Subject: [ozmidwifery] co-sleeping

 Hi everyone,
 I need some help! I'm trying to formulate a policy regarding 
 co-sleeping and want to offer alternative sleeping arrangements for 
 mothers and babies whilst in hospital. Does anyone know of a special 
 cot that has been developed that allows the baby to sleep with mum but 
 in a separate cot that is attached to the main bed. I've seen pictures 
 of babies using a biliblanket in a cot attached to the bed in this 
 way, but can't find any information. Can you help.
 Regards
 Raelene George
 Maternity Ward
 Kalgoorlie Hospital
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RE: [ozmidwifery] re co-sleeping

2007-01-22 Thread nunyara
Hi all!  Just a word on the co-sleeping issue.  Was told not to when I had
my first child who is now 30 but tiredness won me over in the first couple
of weeks so into the bed she came.  Same thing happened with second child 12
months later.  On and off they co-slept and, even now, when visiting and
staying over (although they only live 5 minutes away), they jump at the
chance to sleep in bed with Mum when Dad is away working.  My grandson
always sleeps with me when he stays as does my almost 4 year old grand
daughter.  My youngest daughter also co-sleeps with her children.  Never any
problems other than the occasional falling out of bed but the mattress on
the floor does the trick there! 

Cheers Ramona

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Cheryl LHK
Sent: Monday, 22 January 2007 5:55 PM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] re co-sleeping

Yes!  So true.  As a permanent  P/T night-duty person, I hear the don't 
want to get him/her into a bad habit far too often.  I find by night 2/3 
they are so tired, they think that co-sleeping is a possibility and I 
encourage them fully!

Mine still manage to find their way into our bed, and the youngest little 
possum is 4!! But at least they don't wander in until 4-5am now.

Cheryl


From: Ken Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
To: ozmidwifery ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: [ozmidwifery] re co-sleeping
Date: Mon, 22 Jan 2007 18:27:17 +1100


It's not necessarily the midwives preventing co-sleeping. I often hear 'the
baby's been awake all night. Would go to sleep and wake up as soon as I  
put
him down.'  When  suggestions are made to co-sleep, they don't want to
start bad habits.  a lot of women are influenced by their mothers,
partners etc,  who don't approve of co-sleeping., thank God the influence 
on
breast feeding isn't quite as strong as it used to be.  It's strange, these
little ones are expected to sleep on a hard, cold surface after been
snuggled up listening to mum for months.   If I remember right a 
co-sleeping
policy was short and sweet. Mum had to be sedative free, the bedside up and
bed as low as possible.
Ken  Maureen Ward
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[ozmidwifery] Kalgoorlie

2007-01-22 Thread Donna Towers
Hear, hear Suzi!
 I would have to agree with you. After two years working with women all
around this amazing country of ours, I still say that my eight years in
Kalgoorlie taught me the most.
Hi Raelene and team. Good Luck with the co-sleeping issue. I have found
that Australia wide many policies are forcing babies out of their
mothers beds! Very frustrating!
Donna Towers


[ozmidwifery] hb mw byron bay?

2007-01-22 Thread Janet Fraser
Hi all,
I have a couple of enquiries atm for Byron. Who's local?
: )
TIA,
J
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