RE: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream
Sarah's article's are so well referenced. One of the reference's included is: 25) Fernando R, Bonello E et al. Placental and maternal plasma concentrations of fentanyl and bupivicaine after ambulatory combined spinal epidural (CSE) analgesia during labour. Int J Obstet Anaesth 1995;4:178-179 From here: http://onyx-ii.com/birthsong/page.cfm?epidural Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks Janet - a few of those links are not working. The main thing she wants is actual medical study/evidence articles - e.g. the Sarah Buckley article she says is not adequate as the comment about the drug going into the bloodstream is not referenced back to anything. she has been trying to find such evidence everywhere but it has turned up fruitful. So not just the risks being quoted, but actual evidence. Oh well, if it does it for them then that's what we have to do :-) _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:49 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream Here are some useful sources for the risks of epidurals. Funny how women are told to avoid alcohol and soft cheeses in pregnancy but encouraged to imbibe powerful and dangerous drugs in labour. Drugs in labour twenty years hence. http://www.midwiferytoday.com/artic...ugsinlabour.asp http://www.midwiferytoday.com/artic...ugsinlabour.asp epidural information http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/epirisks.html http://gentlebirth.org/Midwife/epirisks.html A little excerpt Quote: Generally, it is true to say the epidurals are a safe and effective method of relieving pain in labour - but safe does not mean risk free - the risks are there - it is wrong to say there are none (re the hospital employed childbirth educator) See Thorp, J.A. Breedlove, G (1996) Epidural Analgesia in Labour: An evaluation of Risks and Benefits 23(2) 63-83. for a good review of the literature. . hypotension 12 - 23% . maternal fever - (then unnecessary antibiotic therapy - then the yeast infection - then.) one study cited an increase of 0.07 Celsius rise per hour exposure to epidural anesthesia. another reported 5% of fetuses reached cores temp in excess of 4Celsius, another found a statistically significant increase in maternal temps 38C associated with EA. . inadvertent spinal ( and headache to follow - which a blood patch does not always cure - the incidence depends on skill of operator July - new residents - expect a huge increase in spinals in the teaching hospitals. ) . pruritus, nausea and vomiting. (no numbers here - but more likely with spinals) . backache - significant more women c/o backache following EA (RR 1. . fluid overload- ?pulmonary edema??? . infection from epidural site . resp arrest . anaphylaxis . nerve damage Henci Goer on epidurals http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...a=adid=16053332 http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...a=adid=16053332 Epidurals: can they impact breastfeeding? http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...0,,h1nz,00.html http://parenting.ivillage.com/pregn...0,,h1nz,00.html Epidurals: real risk for mother and baby - Sarah Buckley http://www.acegraphics.com.au/articles/sarah02.html http://www.acegraphics.com.au/articles/sarah02.html The Epidural Express: Real Reasons Not to Jump On Board by Nancy Griffin, M.A., AAHCC http://birthrites.edsite.com.au/Epidural.html http://birthrites.edsite.com.au/Epidural.html Medical Risks of Epidural Anesthesia During Childbirth http://www.healing-arts.org/mehl-madrona/mmepidural.htm http://www.healing-arts.org/mehl-madrona/mmepidural.htm - Original Message - From: Kelly mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Zantey To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, December 12, 2006 4:42 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Epidurals - entering the bloodstream Hello, Can anyone point me to a medical source or evidence which proves that epidural anaesthesia enters the bloodstream? Someone in my forums has said she has tried to find medical sources but can't find them anywhere. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] barking cough
I agree, defnitely a classical homeopath! Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] twins labour/birth
Kristin, I've only seen a dvd of a homebirth of twins..there was a good gap between twin 1 and 2. From memory around 40 minutes (but perhaps longer) second twin was breech and took atleast 15 minutes to be born once her body was out. It was a waterbirth. I can't imagine these time's being 'acceptable' in hospital! Infact i know i've heard horror stories where ob's have intervened to hasten twin 2's birth with dire ramifications. The dvd is a good one and they sell it through ICSM or the centre for human transformation if you're interested. Cheers, Cate -- - Birthing Journey Doula Service - Cate Tischler 0432 333 970 Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] aspartame use during pregnancy
http://www.theecologist.org/archive_detail.asp?content_id=459 Aspartic acid has a cumulative harmful effect on the endocrine and reproductive systems. Several animal experiments have shown that excitotoxins can penetrate the placental barrier and reach the foetus FORMALDEHYDE The methanol absorbed from aspartame is converted to formaldehyde in the liver. Formaldehyde is a neurotoxin and known carcinogen. It causes retinal damage and birth defects, interferes with DNA replication, and Päivi Laukkanen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know where I can find references / studies / articles about aspartame use and birth defects? Is it generally advised in Australia to avoid diet drinks and aspartame when pregnant? In Finland I don't think it is considered a risk. Päivi -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Options for twins
Hi Lesley, For inspiration your friends daughter may be interested in a DVD of a homebirth of twins here in Melbourne - fairly recently (a couple of years ago i think). From memory it's called Homebirth of the Malcolm Twins, you could try contacting Davini at ICSM if your interested: http://www.womenofspirit.asn.au/practitioners.html#davini I hope she finds the support she needs. Cate Sue Cookson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Homebirth could be an option for this woman if she find practitioners willing to attend. Remember she will receive twice the maternity allowance of $4000 (from July on) so the costs of the homebirth will be covered. My med student daughter only yesterday was with an obstetrician who stated that the only real reason for c/sections was placenta praevias - so encourage the woman to keep that firmly in mind. If the first baby settles head first then there is a very good chance that she can birth the twins vaginally - at home if midwives are willing or in reasonable hospitals if appropriate care and care-providers can be found. Sounds like she has the courage to work for the birth that she wants, so good luck. I'm not familiar with the scene in Melbourne but there is a good lot of support there for women wishing to avoid the obstetric treadmill. Sue Dear list, I hope you can suggest a few options for a friend's daughter who is pregnant with twins and looking for women-friendly care. Her holistic background combined with initial visits to GP and obstetrician has left her disturbed, defiant, and wary of getting caught up in the system. But she is unsure of her options. I've given her some general information about multiples (from 'Midwifery Matters', UK Midwifery archives, this list, AIMS, 'Birth Matters', details of MIPP etc.) together with some very-much-needed positive twin birth stories - all of which has affirmed her strong desire to keep this pregnancy and birth normal. She lives in outer S.E. suburbs of Melbourne. Is open to independent midwifery care, although money is an issue. Also no private health insurance. She's feels limited in her options and pushed to obstetric care by default, and is asking for names of women-friendly practitioners. (Heard there was someone out Warrigal way?) What are her options? As 'high risk' does she qualify for any midwifery care programs? Are there any decent public shared care options in the area? And if she is pushed to find the money for private care how would the cost of independent midwifery care compare with an obstetrician? Any suggestions most welcome at this stage. Many thanks, Lesley -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Online meeting places for Australian Doulas / Birth Attendants
Hi Kelly, Doula's downunder also has a forum just for doula's, i can find the link if you're interested. I think i'm a member of australian doula's, but last time i checked there were just adds about increasing one's penis size. I'll check it out again soon if there's more legitimate action there! cheers, Cate Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I hope this post is appropriate! I love reading your discussions, however I do feel out of place not being a midwife and am keen to discuss some issues which I don't think will be of interest to some of you, like the ones over the last few days!!! Just wanted to send out an email to let everyone know about the Australian Doulas email list, as I know there are some doulas and birth attendants amongst us. I love chatting with other Doulas / Birth Attendants but there doesn't seem to be something busy enough about the place. If you know any doulas or birth attendants or are one yourself, you can join the Australian Doulas mailing list at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Australian-doulas/ - hopefully we can get some serious conversations going, rather than one email every six months or so! Come on guys, lets get together and chat about birth!!! Please join and introduce yourselves. Please feel free to pass on and circulate to others I didn't start Australian Doulas at all; I am just a Birth Attendant dying to have a place on the web to chat to other doulas and birth attendants. I am also going to start a section in my forums for us to chat, women to ask us questions etc. so keep an eye on www.bellybelly.com.au/forums and I will set it up this evening down the bottom of the forums - be sure to be registered and get chatting. please I feel all alone here!!! Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator, http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Parenthood http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support BellyBelly Birth Support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Re: Waterbirths at Monash BC -for Pinky
Hi Pinky, I birthed at the Monash BC in May 04. I chose to birth there as I wanted a waterbirth (and didn't know what I do now about homebirth!). When it came the time i was in labour there weren't many bc midwives (7 out of 12 had quit due to the move, can't blame them) and i could only have a waterbirth with a bc midwife in attendance between the hours of 9am and 3pm. Of course i laboured at night and no longer had the option of waterbirth. I thought this may have been due to initial teething problems and lack of bc staff, but i spoke to a woman just the other day who experienced the same thing just 3 months ago. She couldn't birth in water because she had a labour ward midwife looking after her. Your daughter might want to find out when the bc midwives are actually available. It can be rather distressing if you're going through the bc only to find out that there's no staff available to attend you under that model of care! kind regards, Cate -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Omeo midwife?
Hello, doula in training and very concerned consumer - coming out of lurkdom to reply to a post! Check out the East Gippsland home birth group here: http://www.joyousbirth.info/forums/viewtopic.php?t=12 they may be able to help you locate a hb midwife. All the best! Cate Joy Cocks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Noah and Danika, I used to live and work in Omeo, some 16 years back. I still have contact with a midwife who still works at the Omeo hospital so will give her a call and find out if she knows of anyone doing homebirths in the area. There is a homebirth midwife near Wodonga, but I think Omeo would be too far to travel, especially at that time of the year. There may be someone in the Bairnsdale area, I don't know. I'll let you know what I find out. Best wishes, Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLC BRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: Noah Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, November 28, 2005 17:09 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Omeo midwife? Howdy, My wife and I are expecting our first child in June. We currently live in Melbourne but it's likely that we'll be moving to rural Omeo at the start of the year to take a teaching position. We hope to organize a home birth in Omeo, but we don't know if it's possible. The Omeo hospital no longer does deliveries - now they take place in Bairnsdale, 90 minutes away. We would prefer a home birth but we don't know if this puts obstetrical support too far away. If anyone knows of (or is) a good midwife in the area please let us know. Any advice is appreciated. Thanks! Noah and Danika Davis -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
