RE: [ozmidwifery] Mum Gives Birth In Toilet - Monash Medical Centre
I can obviously see why this mum's distressed, but I can help ask why she was surprised no one offered her Panadol. Having been in labour my fair share of times, never has it been offered and I think I would have laughed if it had been! Kylie From: "Kelly Zantey" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Mum Gives Birth In Toilet - Monash Medical CentreDate: Wed, 24 Jan 2007 14:33:54 +1100 Mum gives birth in toiletJane MetlikovecJanuary 24, 2007 12:00amA MOTHER says her baby daughter was born in a hospital toilet bowl and had to be rescued after staff ignored her screams for help.Kay, 24, was in the final stages of labour when she was rushed by ambulance to Monash Medical Centre on Tuesday last week. In a statement to the Herald Sun yesterday, the hospital said it regretted "the birth did not go according to plan". At the hospital, the Mt Waverley mother of two was told to wait in a standard share room instead of being directed to a birthing suite, despite having contractions fewer than two minutes apart. "A midwife saw me when I came in and pressed on my stomach once. Nobody checked if I was dilated. I didn't even get offered a Panadol," Kay said. An hour after arriving, distressed and screaming in agony, she went to the toilet, where she gave birth to a girl. Her husband Michael, who had become frantic, had hit an emergency buzzer in panic to try to get help, but he said none came in time so he kicked down the locked door and ran in, pulling the infant from the toilet bowl. Kay said she was terrified her daughter could have died, and described the ordeal as horrific. "I thought she could have been seriously hurt, or worse. If it wasn't for Michael coming to my aid, I don't know what the result would have been," Kay said. "It was the most traumatic thing we have had to go through. I would have thought it would have been one of the happiest times of our lives, but it was terrible." Kay said Michael pressed the emergency buzzer three times, but no one responded until after a nearby caterer alerted medical staff. "When someone finally came, Michael asked why it took so long and they told him the buzzer didn't work," Kay said. "I was completely shocked. It is an emergency buzzer. This was an emergency." But the director of nursing at Monash Medical Centre, Kym Forrest, said in a statement to the Herald Sun: "The buzzers were checked and both were working. The obstetrician and midwives were in fact alerted to the baby's arrival by the buzzer being sounded from Kay's room." Ms Forrest also denied the door had been kicked in. "It is a dual lock which can be opened from both sides and this was the way access was achieved," she said. But Kay said the toilet cubicle, complete with broken door, "looked like a murder scene". "There was blood everywhere. I was screaming. It was just horrible," she said. The couple are seeking a formal apology, but Ms Forrest said they had not lodged a formal complaint with the hospital. "We regret that Kay did not have the birth experience our midwives strive to provide to all the mums in their care," Ms Forrest said. "We are as disappointed as Kay and Michael that the birth of their second child did not go according to plan, but babies have a mind of their own sometimes." Opposition health spokeswoman Helen Shardey called for the Government to investigate: "It is just lucky the baby was not seriously injured in this fiasco." A spokeswoman for Health Minister Bronwyn Pike said it was an operational matter for the hospital to deal with. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Creator,BellyBelly.com.au Conception, Pregnancy, Birth and Baby BellyBelly Birth Support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want tostate that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth controlfor the first six months provided the baby was fully breasfed and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises. thanks in advance Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception
if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey? Absolutely. thanks for that, Janet. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Janet Fraser" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraceptionDate: Thu, 21 Dec 2006 10:56:35 +1100 It's a complex list of stuff, not just bfing, that creates lactational ammenorhea, Kylie. Cosleeping, no dummies, no bottles of ebm, no being away from your child/ren longer than about 3 hours, and having a nap in the daytime with them among other things. And then ultimately each woman is different in her experience of menstruation recommencing. Women who use bfing in conjunction with knowing their own fertile signs are doubly covered and a barrier method now and then if one isn't sure has got to be a good thing, hey? J - Original Message ----- From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, December 21, 2006 10:09 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] breastfeeding as contraception I am doing a story on contraception for a pareting magazine. I want tostate that the WHO confirmed breastfeeding as 98 per cent effective means of birth controlfor the first six months provided the baby was fully breasfed and periods have not commenced. So as far as the 'fully' part goes, how is that interpreted. My friend thought she was fully breastfeeding, however, her twin boys were sleeping 8 hours at night and thus she became pregnant when they were four months old. So does fully mean no less than four-hourly feeds. Or should women just take added precautions if they are not up for any little surprises. thanks in advance Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] 60 minutes
I tell my hubby: I'm gonna go watch sixty minutes to see what Ishould NEVER do as a journo. Ditto for Today Tonight. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Tania Smallwood" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] 60 minutesDate: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:43:58 +0930 Janet, Wanted to add my support and thanks for taking on the formidable 60 minutes journalists, (and I use that term loosely.) You came across as highly articulate and obviously loving and caring towards your children, without fitting into the mould that they obviously wanted you to, hence the mountains of vision of the family from overseas. It was interesting how they predictably brought up everything they could think of that would marginalize AP, including vision of a real life birth! As I watched it I was thinking cue the hippy breastfeeding the school aged child, cue the homebirther, cue the woman with baby in a sling (how shocking!). Thankfully this show lost most of its credibility years ago, most people I know who actually watch it think that its laughable that they see themselves as investigative journalists. More like an upmarket Today Tonight, making stories up for ratings. Must have been a slow news week! Tania x --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 20/10/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.408 / Virus Database: 268.13.9/490 - Release Date: 20/10/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] article for my child magazine
Hi Sazz, Your story sounds suitable but I will just check a few things as my editor is specific with who she'd like So she would like me to speak to someone around your age who has studied and began their career, however, instead of climbing the ladder they have decided to have a child - and like you say, defying the current social trend. She wants the story to help readers who are in the same positionand as it is aimed at middle to high income earners I think she is looking for someone in that demographic (gosh just writing that sounds really snobby, doesn't it, but hey that's what she wants...) She doesn't want the person to fit the typical stereotype - struggling, come from an uneducated background that type of thing that a lot of the stats show where young mothers are at - as opposed to the educated gals who put things off until older. Ok, I hope you get me drift, and if you think that suits you let me know, if not, that's cool, thanks for getting in touch, (and good luck with being a young mum!!) Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Sazz Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] article for my child magazineDate: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:41:31 +1000 (EST)Hi allI'm brand new here on the list, but just wanted to say that I can share my story with you. My partner and I are 23 and we start TTC for our first child at the end of the year despite social views (and family members views!), you can email me if you think my situation might be relevant.CheersSazzKen Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had my first baby at 22 and no. 4 at 43. I do not have the energy to keep up with no. 4, now 9 yrs. I am too often tired and reluctant to do much with her. Feel free to contact me Maureen -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 10:16 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] article for my child magazine Dear all, I am doing a story for My Child magazine on younger mothers (girls in the 20-25 demographic) who choose to start families early rather that the current social trend of later.It is mainly a personal view type piece but I also wanted toadd to it with a few of the advantages health wise of having a baby younger, as opposed to waiting until you older (more risk of miscarriage, chance of abnormalities with the baby, harder to become pregnant, and other things like just being more worn out when you're older). Is there anyone who would like to discuss this with me for the story - or who can suggest someone who might like to? Kind regards Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Sazz EatonPhD Student Academic TutorMelbourne Journal of Politics EditorDepartment of Political ScienceUniversity of Melbourne+61 3 8344 9485http://www.sazz.rfk.id.auhttp://www.sazziesblog.blogspot.comhttp://www.linguisticsazziesblog.blogspot.com Send instant messages to your online friends http://au.messenger.yahoo.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] article for my child magazine
Gosh, I think this sounds very interesting - I am going to check with ed. and make sure it's ok that you haven't conceived yet. But I think having you in the story would be great. I'll let you know, do you want to give me your mbile number so I can just call instead of emailing again? cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Sazz Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] article for my child magazineDate: Thu, 3 Aug 2006 14:45:55 +1000 (EST)Hi Kylie, and the rest of the list (this email can function as a general intro as well :D)Hmm let me see...I have a BA from the uni of Melbourne (double major in gender studies and political science), with honours in political science,and I am now working on my PhD in politics. I am also working for the department as a tutor in a range of subjects (teaching first, second and third year university students political theory), as well as tutoring in Bioethics at Monash University. I am also editor of an academic journal that the department produces annually.My partner also has a BA (double major in psychology and criminology) from uni of Melb with honours in criminology.He is now working fulltime for the Department of Justice.My major area of political theory is the different streams of feminism, so I have done a lot of thinking/writing/teaching about issues relating to motherhood and reproduction. And my PhD is a feminist analysis of the treatment of wimmin during pregnancy and childbirth within the Western medicalised world. I'm definitely educated, and definitely not putting off motherhood til later despite what I've learned :DThat all sounds pretty stuff middle class to me :-) but let me know what your ed thinks.So, that's Sazz in a nutshell :) I'm delaying ttc until the end of the year because I have to speak at a conference overseas in November and don't want to fly pregnant, but as soon as I get back its full speed ahead LOL. Once I've finished my PhD, and had a baby, the plan is to become a doula and finally get to use my love, passion and knowledge about wimmin and birth in that way, as opposed to staying in academia.CheersSazzKylie Carberry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Sazz, Your story sounds suitable but I will just check a few things as my editor is specific with who she'd like So she would like me to speak to someone around your age who has studied and began their career, however, instead of climbing the ladder they have decided to have a child - and like you say, defying the current social trend. She wants the story to help readers who are in the same positionand as it is aimed at middle to high income earners I think she is looking for someone in that demographic (gosh just writing that sounds really snobby, doesn't it, but hey that's what she wants...) She doesn't want the person to fit the typical stereotype - struggling, come from an uneducated background that type of thing that a lot of the stats show where young mothers are at - as opposed to the educated gals who put things off until older. Ok, I hope you get me drift, and if you think that suits you let me know, if not, that's cool, thanks for getting in touch, (and good luck with being a young mum!!) Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Sazz Eaton [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] article for my child magazineDate: Wed, 2 Aug 2006 21:41:31 +1000 (EST)Hi allI'm brand new here on the list, but just wanted to say that I can share my story with you. My partner and I are 23 and we start TTC for our first child at the end of the year despite social views (and family members views!), you can email me if you think my situation might be relevant.CheersSazzKen Ward [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had my first baby at 22 and no. 4 at 43. I do not have the energy to keep up with no. 4, now 9 yrs. I am too often tired and reluctant to do much with her. Feel free to contact me Maureen -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, 2 August 2006 10:16 AMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] article for my child magazine Dear all, I am doing a story for My Child magazine on younger mothers (girls in the 20-25 demographic) who choose to start families early rather that the current social trend of later.It is mainly a personal view type piece but I also wanted toadd to it with a few of the advantages health wise of having a baby younger, as opposed to waiting until you older (more risk of miscarriage, chance of abnormalities with the baby, harder to become pregnant, and other things like just being more worn out when you're older). Is there anyone who would like to discuss this with me for the story - or who can suggest someone who
[ozmidwifery] article for my child magazine
Dear all, I am doing a story for My Child magazine on younger mothers (girls in the 20-25 demographic) who choose to start families early rather that the current social trend of later.It is mainly a personal view type piece but I also wanted toadd to it with a few of the advantages health wise of having a baby younger, as opposed to waiting until you older (more risk of miscarriage, chance of abnormalities with the baby, harder to become pregnant, and other things like just being more worn out when you're older). Is there anyone who would like to discuss this with me for the story - or who can suggest someone who might like to? Kind regards Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] music and labour pain
Hi everyone, I am doing a story on how music is good for us have mentioned several studies that show it reduces pain. I was wondering if there is any information or anyone has a nice story about how musichas helped with during labour. Thank you all best wishes Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too early
Kelly, What a great idea...I think a big reason mums introduce them early is because of pressure from well-meaning grandmothers. From my own experiences (with all four of my chidlren) and that of my friends, if the baby is not chubby and has reached three - four months, grandmaspropose that maybe some solids will help with weight gain. It is so hard for a new, and in grandmas eyes naive, mother to ignore this 'wisdom'! Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Introducing solids too earlyDate: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:28:53 +1000 Ive come across so many mums who are introducing solids far too early and as a result I am writing an article on it and trying to gather information from studies. I heard there was a study in the US which indicated one possible complication was juvenile diabetes. Does anyone know of any studies or resources in regards to solids and early introduction and where I can find them? Best Regards,Kelly ZanteyCreator, BellyBelly.com.au Gentle Solutions From Conception to ParenthoodBellyBelly Birth Support - http://www.bellybelly.com.au/birth-support -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] birth and the weather
Hi all, I am writing a story about how the weather affects our health and was quite interested when I came across a piece about a change in air pressure and more births occurring. It jogged my memory to when I had my last child and the hospital was very busy indeed. Between contractions I can vaguely recall the midwife telling me that her theory was that the change in the weather (from clear to stormy) that evening triggered lots of labours. And, I have come across a website (intellicast.com) which has a labour/birth index! I was wondering does on this boardhave any thoughts on this theory?? cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floor
I was happy to see this story posted here as it is one I have cited in the story. The wonderful Sarah Buckley showed it to me, cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Mary Murphy" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pelvic floorDate: Mon, 6 Mar 2006 14:42:46 +0800 I recently read this article and found it very interesting. Worth a read and storing of the reference for those women asking about the risks of urinary and faecal incontinence following either mode of birth. MM Returning to the key point that we have made throughout this review -- at least some of the less desirable pelvic floor outcomes attributed in this review to VB will have been due to obstetric practices that are in need of improvement. Routine and overuse of episiotomy,[56] routine use of epidurals,[57] prolonged closed glottis pushing,[58] lithotomy and other nonphysiologic positions for birth[59,60] all will cause differential increases for VB in the very perineal and pelvic floor problems to which this review has been directed. If these and other obstetric practices were improved, the reported differences between VB and CS pelvic floor outcomes would likely narrow substantially. And It is striking that, even short term, severe UI is not different by mode of birth -- even coming from usual settings where VB is likely nonphysiologic. The occurrence of postpartum FI is very slightly increased after the experience of any birth, particularly related to the use of Instrumental Delivery. There is evidence that CS reduces the incidence of postpartum FI; however, this effect appears to be similar with respect to elective CS or CS performed during labor. Sexual dysfunction is common following any delivery; however, there is little evidence that CS reduces this risk long term. There is also some evidence that ID may have a greater impact on sexual dysfunction than either SVB or CS. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
thanks for that Lesley ther is some really good information there. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Lesley" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Sat, 25 Feb 2006 06:51:10 +1100 The Maternity Centre Association has an excellent section on the pelvic floor. http://www.maternitywise.org/mw/topics/pelvic-floor/ Regards, Lesley -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
Hi Linda, Yes, I am researching it extensively. It helps that I am very interested in this topic due to the fact that my nana needed surgery to correctuterine prolapse (I think that's what she had anyway, it wasn't something discussed over Christmas lunch!), and that I have had four good size bubs. I guess I am curious to see if I should be concerned :) Anyway, the story is for body and soul in the Sunday Telegraph, sometime later in the year. All of the stories are online, so I will let you know when it goes in. cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Bowman Family" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:01:52 +1000 Kylie, it would be great if you can share your article re: pelvic floor with us when you have published it. It sounds as though you are researching the topic very extensively. Good Luck with your work. Cheers Linda - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information There was research done in SA Adelaide a few years back also into this: Macalister I think his name was? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:04 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research regarding the nuns! It would be perfect to use that. I know I can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns). It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called Water Works by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it. The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc. See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
Thanks Honey, they have a website which has the article, so I'll have a read of it later. cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Honey Acharya" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Thu, 23 Feb 2006 22:05:08 +1100 There was a good article in Natural Parenting Magazine about "Pelvic Floor Consciousness",not just how to do the exercises but how to tell if they are switched on etc, I have the article at home but amin Sydney this week for the birth international workshops, send me an email if you want more details about it. Regards Honey - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 7:59 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information Hi Linda, Yes, I am researching it extensively. It helps that I am very interested in this topic due to the fact that my nana needed surgery to correctuterine prolapse (I think that's what she had anyway, it wasn't something discussed over Christmas lunch!), and that I have had four good size bubs. I guess I am curious to see if I should be concerned :) Anyway, the story is for body and soul in the Sunday Telegraph, sometime later in the year. All of the stories are online, so I will let you know when it goes in. cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Bowman Family" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Tue, 30 May 2006 17:01:52 +1000 Kylie, it would be great if you can share your article re: pelvic floor with us when you have published it. It sounds as though you are researching the topic very extensively. Good Luck with your work. Cheers Linda - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2006 1:24 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information There was research done in SA Adelaide a few years back also into this: Macalister I think his name was? -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Wednesday, February 22, 2006 8:04 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research regarding the nuns! It would be perfect to use that. I know I can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns). It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called Water Works by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it. The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc. See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. --No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006 --No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.15.12/265 - Release Date: 2/20/2006-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
Ahh, yes! I remember you were the one who told me about this research regarding the nuns! It would be perfect to use that. I know I can only touch on this - the main focus is on the best way to get a strong pelvic floor - but I have to include some stuff about it. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100 Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns). It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called Water Works by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it. The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc. See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor information
I found the research easy, Justine, just by adding 'nuns' to the google search along with 'pelvic floor' :) Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: OzMid List ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] pelvic floor informationDate: Wed, 22 Feb 2006 20:17:23 +1100 Someone here will probably know KylieBut the best research of disproving that type of birth (except forceps damage) impacts on continenceWas done using Nuns (yes Nuns). It revealed that the nuns experienced the same rates of incontinence despite having no children!!!There is a book called Water Works by someone Chiarella (who is a bit of a continence expert) it may have the nuns and other appropriate references in it. The UK NICE (Nat Institute of Clinical Excellence) Guidleines on C/S have a bit on C?S not protecting pelvic floor etc. See www.nice.orgAnyone have the Nuns reference??JCXx -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping with a 7 yo
My husband used to get into bed with his mum until he was 8 and he is one of the most non-violent person I know, and has a wonderful relationship with his mother to boot. In addition, my little brother was the same. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Pauline" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] co sleeping with a 7 yoDate: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:38:06 +1100 This is more of a parenting issue than a mid issue but i value any input at this stage. My 7 yo son still sleeps with me every night, although he will occasionally snuggle in with his 9 yo sister. I have never worried about it, as i figure he won't be there when he's 18. But my ex mother in law has started mentioning a psychology study thatsays boys who sleep with their mothers for such a long time end up with mother issues, and are abusive and violent to theri partners whne they get older. I might add that this is the same woman who was horrified that i fed both my babies till they were happy to give it up at 2 years plus. She has now got a small part of worried that i could be creating a real problem. Help! Pauline -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping
No problem :) From: "jesse/jayne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleepingDate: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 19:45:36 +1100 I'm sorry Kylie - I didn't mean allof the parents that don't share a bed with their children! I know that some children prefer and or are very content to sleep apart from their parents. Maybe I should have worded that differently. Please don't take offence :) Regards Jayne - Original Message ----- From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, January 06, 2006 11:23 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping "There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours ina row each night" Just something on this comment...I have had four children and was never really comfortable sharing a bed with my babies. I tried but neither me or hubby could sleep with them in there with us.However, I never expected them to sleep 8 hours each night. They had their own room close to ours, were fed on demand, very loved, held and played with lots. Thre were very content, one wasn't and still isn't. Just want to point out that mums who don't want to share a bed shouldn't be criticised either. Kylie From: "jesse/jayne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleepingDate: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:42:02 +1100I think this is a bigger deal in the US than here in Australia. I nevergot anything like the reactions these women are describing when I had myfirst child 14 years ago. In fact, a couple of the midwives where I birthedmy daughter matter of factly told me I should put her in the bed with me! Iremember hearing about 'Ferberising' since the internet became commonplacebut 'controlled crying' had a bit of a hold here ever since I can remember.There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours ina row each nightI've noticed it's kind of a thing parents like to bragabout, just like early toilet training!My European mother in law didn't blink an eye when I did it (she did it withall 9 of her children) and Aussie women my mother's age often confided thatthey did it secretly and had the fear of God put into them that they wouldsuffocate their babies.It's sad that women can't listen to themselves and their babies to beginwith.RegardsJayne- Original Message -From: "Gloria Lemay" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:;undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:; @uniserve.comSent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:05 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping From Laura Shanley: Did you see the article in last week's Times about co-sleeping (12/29/05)? Not too bad! I'm enclosing it below. The last paragraph says it all! Love, Laura http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/fashion/thursdaystyles/29sleep.html?pagewanted=all And Baby Makes Three in One Bed By AMY HARMON Published: December 29, 2005 JENNIFER JAKOVICH has spent most of her 5-month-old daughter's life dodging questions from friends, family and strangers about how and where Chloe sleeps. But since hearing that Dr. Richard Ferber, the country's most famous infant sleep expert, has relaxed his admonition against parents sleeping with their babies, she has taken a different tack. Jennifer and John Jakovich (with Chloe) consider themselves vindicated by the reversal of Dr. Richard Ferber, the infant sleep expert. "I now mention Ferber's new view while openly admitting to co-sleeping," said Ms. Jakovich, an engineer in San Diego. She has broken the news to friends that Chloe sleeps in the same bed with her and her husband, John, a computer programmer. "I feel I have now been given the green light, that it's O.K." The Jackoviches are part of a growing group of American parents who share a bed with their baby, a common practice in the rest of the world, which had become nearly taboo in this country. A survey by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development has found that about one-fifth of parents with infants up to eight months old said the baby usually shared a bed with them, more than triple the number of a decade ago. The trend appears to be driven largely by the increase in breastfeeding working mothers, who say it allows them to connect with their babies and still get some sleep. But given the prevailing cultural distaste, many parents say they have felt compelled to hide their shared sleeping arrangements. It is a testament to Dr. Ferber's influence that even the halfhearted nod he has given the practice in interviews has inspired a kind of collective coming-out party among co-sleeping parents. Transcripts of his network new
Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping
"There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours ina row each night" Just something on this comment...I have had four children and was never really comfortable sharing a bed with my babies. I tried but neither me or hubby could sleep with them in there with us.However, I never expected them to sleep 8 hours each night. They had their own room close to ours, were fed on demand, very loved, held and played with lots. Thre were very content, one wasn't and still isn't. Just want to point out that mums who don't want to share a bed shouldn't be criticised either. Kylie From: "jesse/jayne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Co sleepingDate: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:42:02 +1100I think this is a bigger deal in the US than here in Australia. I nevergot anything like the reactions these women are describing when I had myfirst child 14 years ago. In fact, a couple of the midwives where I birthedmy daughter matter of factly told me I should put her in the bed with me! Iremember hearing about 'Ferberising' since the internet became commonplacebut 'controlled crying' had a bit of a hold here ever since I can remember.There are always gonna be parents that have no interest in having theirchild share a bed with them and expect them to sleep a minimum of 8 hours ina row each nightI've noticed it's kind of a thing parents like to bragabout, just like early toilet training!My European mother in law didn't blink an eye when I did it (she did it withall 9 of her children) and Aussie women my mother's age often confided thatthey did it secretly and had the fear of God put into them that they wouldsuffocate their babies.It's sad that women can't listen to themselves and their babies to beginwith.RegardsJayne- Original Message -From: "Gloria Lemay" [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:;undisclosed-recipients:; undisclosed-recipients:; @uniserve.comSent: Friday, January 06, 2006 4:05 AMSubject: [ozmidwifery] Co sleeping From Laura Shanley: Did you see the article in last week's Times about co-sleeping (12/29/05)? Not too bad! I'm enclosing it below. The last paragraph says it all! Love, Laura http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/29/fashion/thursdaystyles/29sleep.html?pagewanted=all And Baby Makes Three in One Bed By AMY HARMON Published: December 29, 2005 JENNIFER JAKOVICH has spent most of her 5-month-old daughter's life dodging questions from friends, family and strangers about how and where Chloe sleeps. But since hearing that Dr. Richard Ferber, the country's most famous infant sleep expert, has relaxed his admonition against parents sleeping with their babies, she has taken a different tack. Jennifer and John Jakovich (with Chloe) consider themselves vindicated by the reversal of Dr. Richard Ferber, the infant sleep expert. "I now mention Ferber's new view while openly admitting to co-sleeping," said Ms. Jakovich, an engineer in San Diego. She has broken the news to friends that Chloe sleeps in the same bed with her and her husband, John, a computer programmer. "I feel I have now been given the green light, that it's O.K." The Jackoviches are part of a growing group of American parents who share a bed with their baby, a common practice in the rest of the world, which had become nearly taboo in this country. A survey by the National Institute of Child Health and Human Development has found that about one-fifth of parents with infants up to eight months old said the baby usually shared a bed with them, more than triple the number of a decade ago. The trend appears to be driven largely by the increase in breastfeeding working mothers, who say it allows them to connect with their babies and still get some sleep. But given the prevailing cultural distaste, many parents say they have felt compelled to hide their shared sleeping arrangements. It is a testament to Dr. Ferber's influence that even the halfhearted nod he has given the practice in interviews has inspired a kind of collective coming-out party among co-sleeping parents. Transcripts of his network news and talk show appearances last month are being circulated on the Internet and recited on the playground. "Even though I shouldn't have to defend myself, it is nice to have that," Ms. Jakovich said. Like many other parents, she never intended to sleep with her daughter. "My view was that granola-hippie-type people co-sleep," she added. But Ms. Jakovich, 30, quickly found that she slept better when she didn't have to get up in the night to nurse Chloe. To make things more comfortable, the Jakoviches took one side off Chloe's deluxe crib and pushed it up against their mattress, which they upgraded to a king-size. The old Dr. Ferber would not have approved. In his best-selling 1985 book, "Solve Your
RE: [ozmidwifery] episi research
What kind of participant input are you looking for. I had an episiotomy with my first child (under obs care) then none in my subsequent three births and no tearing either. The explanation I got about epis. was very different from obs to midwives (surprise surprise) In a nutshell obs scared the daylights out of me with horror outcomes if I would tear as opposed tothe benefits of a cut. Midwives were very concerned about getting babies out without tearing or cutting, but explained that a tear is better in the long run. feel free to email me offline. Kylie Carberry From: Belinda [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] episi researchDate: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 12:31:37 +1030A huge part of women's view is the language used around tearing and episiotomy and the lack of positive language for womens vagina in birth, ie capacity to stretch and recover. I see the language around tearing such as mutilating uncontrolled etc whereas episis are seen as controlled, neat straight etc. In a society where we trust surgery so much - just look at the cesarean section rates - episi fits into this. In classes i teach women to think about the capacity of their vaginas and perineums in birth and find positive ways of discussing this. I also talk about tearing along a muscle line as more able to heal well than a cut through it. I always say it may be easier for me to suture an episiotomy but I am not the one who has to sit on it and feel it for the rest of my life - so it should never be about what is good for the perosn managing the birth (although unfortunalty it most often is). It is inetresting that people always ask well can I say no, why do they think someone else has the right to cut into their vaginas when there is no research to support this as a routine practive!!! Any way I could go on for ever about this issue...I am finishing my Phd at the moment and have just cut out a chapter looking at womens worries around their vaginas in birth and a feminist discussion around episis etc, I found my other chapters were big enough and the women in my study didnt really talk much about worrys of tearing.I wonder why you are having trouble recruiting, i am happy to chat to you off line about thisit is great to see this type of research being doneBelindaAlice Morgan wrote:This is interesting for me. I am currently writing my midwifery honours thesis on women's views about episiotomy (or trying to at least, unfortunately I am having great difficulty with participant recruitment). It's always nice to see more research backing up what I am saying.:) Alice (one of the first SA BMid grduate midwives)From: "leanne wynne" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] article FYIDate: Wed, 02 Nov 2005 11:05:02 +1100Unnecessary episiotomiesIssue 22: 31 Oct 2005Source: International Journal of Gynecology Obstetrics 2005; 91: 157-9Researchers have questioned the continuing widespread use of routine episiotomy, after finding high rates at some centres in countries in South America, Asia, and Africa.Systematic reviews of published trials, including a Cochrane review, have suggested that episiotomies should not be performed routinely, because of the associated maternal morbidity.Some specialists have said that no more than 10 percent of nulliparous women delivering vaginally should need one, according to the researchers writing in the latest issue of the International Journal of Gynecology Obstetrics.But their study suggests that episiotomy rates are far higher than this at some hospitals. The researchers, from Uruguay and the USA, analyzed data on episiotomy rates for nulliparous and multiparous women at hospitals in Argentina, Brazil, Bolivia, Chile, the Democratic Republic of Congo, Ecuador, India, Tibet, Uruguay, Venezuela, and Zambia.The hospitals studied (from 1 to 13 per country) were part of the US National Institute of Child Health and Human Developments Global Network for Womens and Childrens Health Research.Rates above 90 percentReporting their findings, the researchers say that episiotomy rates among nulliparous women were higher than 90 percent in all countries except Zambia (6.9 percent).Episiotomy rates for all vaginal births were higher than 20 percent in all countries except Zambia, and were as high as 80 percent in Brazil. The exception, Zambia, was unusual in having a lower rate for nulliparous women than for all vaginal births. The researchers, however, caution that the data for Zambia were obtained from only one hospital.They also advise against generalizing the findings beyond the centres studied. However, they say the data illustrate the widespread use of routine episiotomy in contradiction to the evidence questioning its efficacy.Unnecessary episiotomies, the researchers write, increase the risk of morbidity as indicated by the Cochrane review, including posterio
RE: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' gender
Andrea, I recall reading quite a good story on this topic - being disappointed with the sex of the baby - in Practical Parenting earlier this year. The editor wrote about it also in the editorial saying that what spawned the interest in taking on the subject was a lady who contacted her who was feeling awful because she found out she was having a girl when she wanted a boy. I had a search in my copies of the mag but couldn't find it. Perhaps you could contact the magazine and ask what issue it was in. It may help the woman you talk about to read about others with the same feelings and that it is not all that unusual to feel this way. cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 From: "Andrea Bilcliff" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: "Ozmidwifery" ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auCC: "Maternity Coalition Midwives" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [ozmidwifery] The 'wrong' genderDate: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 11:08:55 +1000 Sorry for cross posting... I have aclient who is due to give birth soonand shereally wants a baby of a particular genderbut the ultrasound has shown the baby to be the opposite.This ismuchmore than being a little disappointed and it doesnot appear to have eased over the course of the pregnancy. She has expressed concerns about how this may potentially affect her labour. She alsoexpresses enormous guilt over having these feelings when she already has healthy children, including one of this gender. She is also concerned about the effects her feelings/thoughts are having and will have on her baby's development. Assuming the ultrasound is correct, has anyone had experience of this either as a mother or care provider? Any words of wisdom? Thanks, Andrea Bilcliff -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Homebirth and Doula Articles
Hi there all, Way back in September last year I called upon some of you as sources of information for two articles I was writing for WellBeing Baby. One on doulas and the other on homebirths. Although the deadline was in November 04 it is only today that the issue is finally out! So I just wanted to thank those who helped...Jan, Honey, Phillipa, Justine, Lois, Jo, Denise, and anyone else who pointed me in the right direction for info. It waswonderful to talk to you all and learn more about a topic that will always be dear to my heart. PS Because of such a long wait I am hoping that all info is still correct. Please don't lambast me if it's not ;) Best wishes Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61 2 42970115 m: +61 2 418220638 f: +61 2 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] two vessel cords
Hi everyone, I have a pregnant friend with a two vessel cord and wondered if anyone had some info on what this may mean. I had it myself and was told the baby would need a renal scan at one week old to check for renal anomolies. Indeed, shedoes have urinary reflux, but I know that a two vessel cord does not necessarily mean renal problems. I know that this was brought up a little while back but I have lost track of the info Kind regards Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords
So, in my case would you say it is just a coincidence that I had both? Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747 From: "Joy Cocks" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cordsDate: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 17:28:44 +1000 Yes, that's right. My newest grandson (now 4 weeks old) had only 2 vessels and the ob/ultrasonographer said that the association with renal anomolies has now been disproven. Joy Joy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741 email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - Original Message - From: brendamanning To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 17:15 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Actually recent research has discounted the association with renal agenesis other genetic anomalies that we all used to think of as a possibility with 2 vessel cords. I read it on the Ox mid site recently (I think). Kind RegardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: cath nolan To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords this can be an indicator of renal anomalies in a small percentage of babies. It is worth a scan i believe. I have worked in a neonatal unit and do remember thebabies affected. This must always be balanced with the fact that there are plenty of babies that have no problems apparrent. Cath - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 14, 2005 2:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] two vessel cords Hi everyone, I have a pregnant friend with a two vessel cord and wondered if anyone had some info on what this may mean. I had it myself and was told the baby would need a renal scan at one week old to check for renal anomolies. Indeed, shedoes have urinary reflux, but I know that a two vessel cord does not necessarily mean renal problems. I know that this was brought up a little while back but I have lost track of the info Kind regards Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747-- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddling
That was the message from the info I read - if there is a predisposition to hip dysplasia, swaddling with the legs firmly together will not help. Whereas having their legs in a frog like position can help the hips form properly. Apparently the African mothers who have their newborn babies sitting on their hipin those sling kind of things have virtually no cases of hip dysplasia. Obviously if there are no risk factors a tight swaddle won't hurt, but like inlots cases of late diagnosis' the mums were unaware of a family history or other risk factors wer not present. It might be interesting to ask my orthopeadic (spelling?) surgeon to see his thoughts on this. One US ortho states swaddling can lead to waddling. I guess it's food for thought. Kylie From: "Marijke Eastaugh" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddlingDate: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:53:47 +0930 This is really interesting, I recently birthed with a woman and she had a friend who was an osteopath and said that it was not good to lift babies up by their legs to put a nappy on. The idea being that it was pressure somewhere on the neck region so to change a nappy rolling side to side was recommended. I'd never heard of this before, or the swaddling causing hip dysplasia. Itcould be possiblethat if you swaddle with disposable nappies especially and you do it really firm it could cause problems if there was already disposition in this direction. Anyone else have ideas on this. - Original Message ----- From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 1:38 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddling Recently my 18 month old was diagnosed with CDH. We have since discovered that there is a family history (my father-in-law had a hip replacement before 50, and the specialist says it was probably a case of undiagnosed CDH), but I am also wondering about swaddling. I have swaddled all of my children and always touting the benefits to my friends who are new mothers. Now I am wondering whether in fact this is not such a good thing. I have read that in cultures where there is no swaddling CDH is unheard of. As midwives,what are everyones thought? Kylie Carberry -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Internal Virus Database is out-of-date.Checked by AVG Anti-Virus.Version: 7.0.344 / Virus Database: 267.10.24/101 - Release Date: 13/09/2005 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddling
Congenital hip dysplasia now known as developmental hip dysplasia by many due to the litigation cases in the US. Kylie From: "Dorothy Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddlingDate: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:53:40 +1000 Sorry what is CHD please excuse my ignorance Dot Thomas -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Friday, 7 October 2005 2:09 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddling Recently my 18 month old was diagnosed with CDH. We have since discovered that there is a family history (my father-in-law had a hip replacement before 50, and the specialist says it was probably a case of undiagnosed CDH), but I am also wondering about swaddling. I have swaddled all of my children and always touting the benefits to my friends who are new mothers. Now I am wondering whether in fact this is not such a good thing. I have read that in cultures where there is no swaddling CDH is unheard of. As midwives,what are everyones thought? Kylie Carberry -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddling
Hi Brenda, Just a few links below with info about the higher rates of CDH where babies are swaddled. I can't recall now where I read that it is unheard of in some places,perhaps in an old newspaper article I found on the web?? http://www.orthoseek.com/articles/hipdys.html http://www.aafp.org/afp/990700ap/177.html http://www.emedicine.com/orthoped/topic456.htm From: "brendamanning" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: Re: [ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddlingDate: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 14:32:28 +1000 Hi Kylie, Please don't blame yourself for a missed diagnosis. You have a family history this problem was present in all probability at birth. I'd be very interested though to read the data which stated CDH is unheard of in "other cultures" where swaddling isn't practised. Does this mean the Inuit the traditional American Indians (papoose) have a high proportion of CDH? Brenda - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Friday, October 07, 2005 2:08 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddling Recently my 18 month old was diagnosed with CDH. We have since discovered that there is a family history (my father-in-law had a hip replacement before 50, and the specialist says it was probably a case of undiagnosed CDH), but I am also wondering about swaddling. I have swaddled all of my children and always touting the benefits to my friends who are new mothers. Now I am wondering whether in fact this is not such a good thing. I have read that in cultures where there is no swaddling CDH is unheard of. As midwives,what are everyones thought? Kylie Carberry -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddling
ation and done a lot of thingsthat are plain wrong, counter productive and often downright dangerous - I can think of a million examples - the number of episiotomies I cut in my hey day for example, - the biggest question was whether they should be cut at maximum stretch or whether infilration of local anaesthetic was needed first!! The thought that they (episiotomies) may not have been needed at all was never even thought of! For me, it was only when I saw "Birth in the Squatting Position"and the women birthed without even a tear that my world changed in front of my eyes!!! So good on you for asking the question. Phil Barker, a fantastic Mental Health Nurse Professor quoted his dad who said that "life was an answer waiting for the right question". We have to keep asking them (questions)and challenge everything we think is right and proper. midwifery hugs, Carolyn Hastie -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Friday, 7 October 2005 4:57 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddling Congenital hip dysplasia now known as developmental hip dysplasia by many due to the litigation cases in the US. Kylie From: "Dorothy Thomas" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddlingDate: Fri, 7 Oct 2005 15:53:40 +1000 Sorry what is CHD please excuse my ignorance Dot Thomas -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]On Behalf Of Kylie CarberrySent: Friday, 7 October 2005 2:09 PMTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddling Recently my 18 month old was diagnosed with CDH. We have since discovered that there is a family history (my father-in-law had a hip replacement before 50, and the specialist says it was probably a case of undiagnosed CDH), but I am also wondering about swaddling. I have swaddled all of my children and always touting the benefits to my friends who are new mothers. Now I am wondering whether in fact this is not such a good thing. I have read that in cultures where there is no swaddling CDH is unheard of. As midwives,what are everyones thought? Kylie Carberry -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] hip dysplasia and swaddling
Recently my 18 month old was diagnosed with CDH. We have since discovered that there is a family history (my father-in-law had a hip replacement before 50, and the specialist says it was probably a case of undiagnosed CDH), but I am also wondering about swaddling. I have swaddled all of my children and always touting the benefits to my friends who are new mothers. Now I am wondering whether in fact this is not such a good thing. I have read that in cultures where there is no swaddling CDH is unheard of. As midwives,what are everyones thought? Kylie Carberry -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] developmental hip dysplasia
Hi eveyone, I am just wondering if anyone can enlighten me a little on my 18 month old daughter just-diagnosed developmental hip dysplasia. I am still in disbelief that this was not picked up when she was first born and my paediatrician agreed. To make things worse he told us that in Wollongong Hospital (where she was born) they used to have a paediatrician who did a routine check for DDH on all of the newborns and all were picked up. To cut costs the IAHS got rid of this service and according to my paed one or two children are now overlooked. What angers me is that even with treatment, because she is older, my daughter will face the possibiliity of having ongoing hip problems. If anyone has any info on this condition (stories you've heard etc) I would greatly appreciate it if you could get in touch with me. Also, what is the general procedure for the testing the hips and do you guys think a paediatric examination should be routine? Thanks so much for having a read of my email, Kylie Carberry[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] hemihypertrophy question
Hi Everyone, I was in need of some information in regard to my 18 month old daughter, Poppy,and although I have a doctors appt it is not until tomorrow afternoon and I thought someone on this list may have some info on what I am looking for... Poppy was diagnosed with urinary reflux at about seven weeks following a renal scan. The scan was recommended as I had a two vessel cord which was apparent at my 18 week scan during pregnancy. After several UTI's and assciated kidney infections (despite antib's), she has been booked in for surgery to correct the 'faulty' ureters that are causing the reflux. Since about 10 months old when she began to walk around furniture we have noticed Poppy kind of limps...she kind of throws her left leg out as she is walking. We thought we'd wait until walking was fully established until worrying - after all she has one thing wrong and what parent wants to think there could be something else. Anyway she has now been walking unaided for about 2 months and I was starting to worry because of the still obvious limp she has. I laid her down the other day and when I put her legs out in front was astonished that the right is actually 2 cm longer than the left. It all made sense and we couldn't believe we overlooked it. Whilst awaiting for xrays to come back I have done some internet research and I believe you call this condition hemihypertrophy. Now I suddenly panicked when I saw that this could be related to a kidney cancer called Wilms' tumor. My initial panic subsided and I began to think if she did have this Wilms surely they would have picked it up somewhere over the last year and a half amidst the numerous nuclear kidney scans and ultrasounds she has had. I am praying that I am right and it is just a case of one leg being longer for growth reasons, but does anyone think it could be related to the urinary problem? Couldthey have overlooked it during all of the tests? Any info or thoughts would be truly appreciated... best wishes Kylie Carberry -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] c-sections and dental health
THought this may be of interest, Kylie C-section linked to cavity-causing bug in infants Last Updated: 2005-09-01 16:44:08 -0400 (Reuters Health) By Amy Norton NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Some infants delivered by cesarean section may have a higher risk of developing cavities later in life, a new study suggests. Researchers found that among young children who harbored a particular cavity-causing bacterium in their mouths, those who were delivered by C-section acquired the infection one year earlier, on average, than those delivered vaginally. Mothers appeared to be the main source of transmission of the bacterium, known as Streptococcus mutans. Since early acquisition of S. mutans, which can make cavity development more likely, the findings suggest that these children could be at greater risk of cavities down the road. That's not certain, since the study did not follow the children long enough, lead study author Dr. Yihong Li told Reuters Health. Still, she said the "take-home message" is that women with cavities who deliver by C-section should pay particularly close attention to their children's oral health over time. Li, an associate professor at the New York University College of Dentistry, and her colleagues report the findings in the Journal of Dental Research. The researchers suspect that vaginal delivery offers infants some early protection against S. mutans colonization. Passing through the birth canal exposes newborns to "good bacteria" from their mothers that are key to setting up infants' defense against disease-causing bugs. These beneficial bacteria set up colonies that leave little space for less benign sorts like S. mutans. But because C-section deliveries are relatively aseptic, these infants may be more vulnerable to early S. mutans colonization, Li explained. For their study, she and her colleagues followed 156 mainly African-American mothers and their infants for 4 years. All of the women were low-income and three quarters had cavities. Overall, the researchers detected S. mutans in 35 percent of the children over the study period. Those who were delivered by C-section first showed the bacterium at the age of 17.1 months, on average, versus 28.8 months among children who were delivered vaginally. The age gap is important, Li said, because other research has suggested that earlier S. mutans acquisition increases a child's cavity risk. But "mode of delivery" was only one of the variables that affected a child's acquisition of S. mutans, Li pointed out. Among the other factors were the extent of a mother's tooth decay and the level of S. mutans in her saliva. The study adds to recent research that has highlighted the potential importance of a mother's oral health to her child. Several studies, for example, have linked maternal gum disease, which is caused by bacteria, to poorer fetal growth and a higher risk of preterm delivery and certain other pregnancy complications. SOURCE: Journal of Dental Research, September 2005. Copyright © 2005 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Reuters and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of the Reuters group of companies around the world. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Article re Shellharbour
Being a local I was quick to whip up a letter to the ed Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747 Bring on the birthing unit We need to latch onto the idea of a midwifery-led model of care at Shellharbour Hospital like a newborn does to its mothers nipple. With the areas expectant mothers in the low-risk category presently having no option but to trek into Wollongong Hospital to deliver, a unit such as this is long overdue. Three out of my four children were delivered into the hands of a midwife, with no obstetrician in sight, and I had no doubts my babies and I were being provided optimal care. If any glitches had manifested, I knew that my midwife was trained to analyse the problem and, if necessary, refer me to a specialist. It was my first child who was delivered by an obstetrician simply because I was very young and unaware of an alternative. There were many times during my prenatal visits where I felt I was a number in a large birthing queue. Because my pregnancy was normal, and there was nothing to indicate my impending labour would not be the same, I often wondered why I needed specialist care. It vexes me to hear reports that a midwifery-led unit at Shellharbour would be perilous, headlines claiming that babies lives would be put at risk. It might be worth noting that western countries where midwives are widespread as the primary care-givers of pregnant women also have the lowest infant mortality rates, and equally low maternal morbidity and mortality rates. Lower, indeed, than the rates in the US where obstetric intervention is pervasive. Ultimately, it should be the womans choice what modality she chooses to birth her baby. But currently, it appears the choice is finite. From: "Denise Hynd" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Article re ShellharbourDate: Thu, 14 Jul 2005 16:06:15 +0800 Babies 'at risk' without doctors Author: By JENNY DENNIS Date: 13/07/2005 Words: 326 Source: ILL Publication: Illawarra Mercury Section: News Page: 2 ILLAWARRA doctors fear babies will die if midwife-only births are allowed at Shellharbour Hospital. Clinicians fear their concerns could be ignored in the face of political pressure to have the Shellharbour birthing unit reopened. A recommendation to introduce midwife-only births at Shellharbour has followed a trial of the practice at Wollongong Hospital which was found to work well. A review of the trial has found the midwife-only model could be viable and safe for low-risk births at Shellharbour Hospital. This is despite safety concerns raised by doctors. "I don't know of one doctor in the Illawarra who supports the move," an Illawarra doctor told the Mercury. He said the plan to reopen Shellharbour's birthing unit would place doctors at the hospital in an ethical dilemma. "Ethical doctors can't refuse to help in an emergency and they're relying on the fact that people will come running if there's a problem." Reopening the unit would place more stress on the hospital's emergency department, which since January 1 has been operating without specialist emergency physicians. Illawarra Patient Safety Committee chair Paul Kovac said safety was about the ability to respond to rare, life-threatening situations that child birth inevitably threw up. "Women undergoing midwife-only labour need to understand they are taking certain risks by choosing to have their babies at a facility where there's a lesser (medical) cover," Dr Kovac said. "It's not just having a doctor on site, you need to have the right doctor." A spokesman for NSW Health Minister Morris Iemma said the safety of mothers and babies was paramount in consideration of maternity services and a midwifery-led model would only proceed at Shellharbour if the steering committee believed it could do so safely. A Wollongong ambulance officer said the report's recommendation that an ambulance be available for immediate transfers between Shellharbour and Wollongong was unrealistic. His best estimate of transfer time between the two hospitals was one hour.Hi All,As you know, a Midwifery Group Practice has beenoperating for the last 12 months at WollongongHospital. This was a "pilot" which was meant to bemoved to Shellharbour Hospital after a twelve monthtrial.Above is an article published in today'sedition of the Illawarra Mercury. The article istitled "Babies 'at risk' Without Doctors"It would be great if the Mercury received a fewletters pointing out the safety (superiority?) ofmidwifery-led care for low-risk women! Letters to the editor can be sent to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Rachele -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Single Uterine Artery
Hi Everyone, I posted a few weeks back in regard to this as I had a SUA and was recommended my baby have an renal scan when a week old. Fortunately she did, as she did in fact have a urinary reflux. We actually saw a paediatric urologist last week as my bub (now 18 months) has had three UTI's despite being on antibiotics, and has kidney scarring due to the infections. He has recommended surgery and when I told him about the SUA he said babies who do have the reflux often have a SUA also. As I am right into the latest research about this condition I would be really interested if anyone knows of the latest info mentioned by Joy. cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747From: "Joy Cocks" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: "Ozmidwifery" ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Single Uterine ArteryDate: Fri, 8 Jul 2005 08:28:09 +1000Further to discussion a few weeks ago - according to a localobstetrician/ultrasonographer, previous information that SUA increases thelikelihood of renal anomalies has now been disproven and there is no needfor the baby to undergo renal ultrasound unless a problem presents. Sorry,I don't have any references, just word of mouth.JoyJoy Cocks RN (Div 1) RM CBE IBCLCBRIGHT Vic 3741email:[EMAIL PROTECTED]--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Hey midwifery ;)
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Single umbilical artery
Hi Tanya, When I had my 18 week ultrasound with baby number four (who's now sixteen months) I was told I had a single umbilical artery. The sonographer and then my GP were a bit vague about what this meant so I asked my trusty midwife and she said it meant it could be an indication of anomalies, particularly in the renal system. The scan didn't reveal anything else so I had to take bub for a renal scan at 11 days. It revealed she had vesico-ureteric reflux (not sure of the spelling!), but asI like to call it urinary reflux. I was told she could grow out of it, however, it gave her a predisposition to UTI's. Within weeks she got her first, despit prophylactic anti-biotics. Since, she has had two more and due to see a specialist about corrective surgery. Despite the reflux no other problems... Hope this helps, Kylie Carberry Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: +61242970115 m: +612418220638 f: +61242970747From: "Tanya Fleming" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auTo: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.auSubject: [ozmidwifery] Single umbilical arteryDate: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 14:23:31 -0700Hi everyonewanting to hear peoples experience with diagnosis of a single umbilical artery by U/S at 20 weeks? What have outcomes been like? Is there a chance of false diagnosis? I have a member of family who has been given this info recently. I am accompanying her to Brisbane for a more high tech scan next week. Cheers, Tanya. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] one umbilical artery
Hi Mary, My fourth child had this problem. It was discovered at my 16 week ultrasound, however, no other anomalies could be found.I was told by my midwife my bub would need a renal ultrasound at one week old to check for kidney problems as this was often an indication. After a very straightforward birth and healthy birthweight I took bub along for the scan and sure enough there was an indication of urinary reflux. Before she could have her cystogram to confirm she had a UTI at just 7 weeks and was in hospital for 4 days. No damage done though and she is 14 months and only had one UTI (at 10 months) since. She is on a prophylactic anti-biotic. Besides her urinary reflux she is perfectly healthy. Hope that helps, cheers, Kylie Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 f: 02 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] epidural research
Hi everyone, Just thought you all may be interested in a press release I found on the net and wanted to see what everyone thought. I just gave my first-time pregnant sister-in-law a run down the risks of epidurals as she was very quick to say she will request one (of course her OB encouraged her, saying if I was a woman I'd have oneneedless to say this made me cringe), what can I tell her about this new research. Early epidural does not raise c-section risk Last Updated: 2005-02-16 17:00:33 -0400 (Reuters Health) NEW YORK (Reuters Health) - Women in labor who need early pain relief need not fear that an epidural makes it more likely that they'll have to have a cesarean. Compared with intravenous narcotic pain control, new research shows, epidural pain control started in early labor does not increase the probability that women will undergo a c-section. Moreover, an early epidural seems to provide better pain control and may shorten the duration of labor. Previous reports have linked epidural analgesia with an elevated risk of cesarean delivery, but it is possible that this increased risk was due to related factors and not to the epidural per se, the researchers note in this week's New England Journal of Medicine. To determine if epidural pain control is an inherent risk factor for c-section, Dr. Cynthia A. Wong, from Northwestern University in Chicago, and colleagues assessed the outcomes of 750 pregnant women who received epidural pain control or intravenous hydromorphone started in the early stages of labor. In contrast to previous reports, the c-section rate in the epidural group was actually slightly lower than that seen in the comparison group: 17.8 versus 20.7 percent. There was evidence that epidural pain control hastened delivery. The time from the start of pain control until delivery was significantly shorter in the epidural group. In addition, epidural anesthesia was associated with significant improvements in pain and with better Apgar scores, the system used to evaluate infants in the first minutes of life. In a related editorial, Dr. William Camann, from Brigham and Women's Hospital in Boston, comments that for women who experience severe pain in early labor and desire pain control, the new findings "make it clear that safe, effective pain relief with the use of (epidural pain control) should not be withheld simply because" they haven't passed some arbitrary stage. SOURCE: New England Journal of Medicine, February 17, 2005. Copyright © 2005 Reuters Limited. All rights reserved. Republication or redistribution of Reuters content, including by framing or similar means, is expressly prohibited without the prior written consent of Reuters. Reuters shall not be liable for any errors or delays in the content, or for any actions taken in reliance thereon. Reuters and the Reuters sphere logo are registered trademarks and trademarks of the Reuters group of companies around the world. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 f: 02 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Baby whisperers...
ooops I misread it too. However I do have who friends who are led to believe thei bubs should be sleeping through and neer waking up during the night from 2 months. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 f: 02 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Baby whisperers...
This is a really scary story. For parents to think that a 3-month-old should be able to put themselves back to sleep! It does make me laugh that the journalist thinks Tresilian's 85-year-old practice should be highlighted. What happened to keeping up with the latest research? Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist p: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 f: 02 42970747 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] CS story
Hi everyone, As a journalist and mother of four I was disgusted by the 60 minutes debacle. Hence, the reason I freelance - and probably the reason no publication except for Wellbeing was interested in my "homebirth-not just for hippies" article. I'm thrilled the editor of Wellbeing liked it but it's kind of like preaching to the converted. Other's had a read but the same story was 'it's not for us'. I love being on this list and keeping up to date with birthing issues. Your responses to Glenda are wonderful and do not show signs of weariness. I only hope she takes notice of your points and the information you give her! Anyway just wanted to add my opinion two bobs worth, Kylie From: "Dean Jo" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] CS story Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2004 20:44:22 +0930 Hi everyone, Here is the letter I sent in yesterday: Dear Glenda, I am writing to you to express my concern about the proposed debate on elective caesareans.As co-ordinator of CARES SA (Caesarean Awareness Recovery education Support SA) and doula (birth support companion) I am dreading yet another sensationalistic biased story/segment on caesarean births that channel 9 seem to relish in doing.The recent 60 minutes story was so biased and in some instances medically incorrect; I am again filled with dread that women in our society are going to be subjected to non-evidence based information provided by experts and women saying CS is the easiest way to birth when they in fact have never experienced vaginal birth to be able to offer this opinion. The trouble I have with this type of journalism is the same old doctors have their say, without opportunity for a decent rebuttal.Even in the context of debate, I am weary due to the type of OB invited to speak. For every one OB who believes that a womans body is fundamentally incapable of birthing vaginally, there are ten who support vaginal birth as the safe option that it is however channel 9 never seems to access these doctors!It seems to be the same faces and expert opinions each time!?Why an obstetrician has a greater understanding of a normal healthy birth over a midwife amazes me when they are trained in treating complications hence the expert on complicated births not healthy ones??? Why a women who has never had a safe normal vaginal birth can comment about what is best amazes me even further, as I have said before. Even the pro vaginal birth people are the same: women (usually portrayed as hippy home birthers) or midwives (despite the fact that midwives are the international BEST professional for healthy birthing women) and yet what they have to say is dismissed by OB having the last word or the CS mum who says my baby would have died without a cs.(Just letting you know, babies die and even more women die from CS as well.) After the recent 60 minutes story my support group and others around the country were inundated with deeply upset women who felt the story had trivialized what they relate as a traumatic experience in their lives. CS does increase chances of post partum depression and even post traumatic shock, yet high profile journalists are given free reign to insult these womens trauma by stating that birth is not a right of passage into motherhood.Also, the medical reason given by Tracy that her CS prevents incontinence is sadly incorrect: an Australian study has shown that lack of pelvic floor exercises and pregnancy hormones affect the function of the pelvic floor and CS birth can do nothing to prevent it. Pity though as the incorrect information presented by Tracy Curo, a journalist!, will have impacted many womens desires to choose CS.I hope that in future a journalist will show more professionalism by presenting information that is at the very least accurate. I implore you if this debate does go ahead to serious consider the population that has been adversely affected by CS birth and acknowledge these people.I assure you their grief and adverse emotional reactions from their caesarean experiences are very real and very damaging. It would be great also to hear the opinions of OBs that have not graced our screens so frequently in the past. I actually think that this debate is futile. The real issues include not what is better, but: ~ Why is it that the rare but extremely serious risks of Caesarean births are steadily on the increase and yet the safety of CS is continuously being shouted from the roof tops, and women are not being told these risks?Some of these risks are more common than the risk of uterine rupture in a VBAC (vaginal birth after cs) and yet VBAC is consider too risky for many women! ~ Why is vaginal birth considered so risky in a day and age where women are the healthiest and well educated? ~ Why has birth become so medicalized; and is it possible that the perceived damaged caused by vaginal birth is
Re: [ozmidwifery] SMH article on labour pain
Let us know if this is published From: Justine Caines [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: OzMid List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] SMH article on labour pain Date: Mon, 06 Sep 2004 13:40:39 +1000 Hi Andrea and all Just put a letter together JC xx Labour Pain (SMH 6/9/04) Australian women do not have choice in maternity care or pain relief. Despite research that shows the considerable benefits of deep water immersion for pain relief, the vast majority Australian women are refused this. Why? Birth is part of an industry; Warm water is free and is not supported by specialists who¹s living depends on injecting women with narcotics or anaesthetics. It is astounding that women are denied the use of water, a safe and effective method of pain relief. Women spend 9 months avoiding any drugs and then when in labour are offered and sometimes pushed into a smorgasbord of drugs, particularly epidural that can result in paralysis and has been proven to result in many other interventions in birth (forceps and caesarean section). Until women have access to a full range of choice in maternity care, particularly the support of a known midwife, and effective natural pain management we cannot say what women really want. In fact such high usage of dangerous drugs suggests women are not receiving adequate support and education for such a life changing event. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. FREE* Month of Movies with FOXTEL Digital -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Hi Denise In my(lengthy)article on homebirth (which will be in the same issue of Wellbeing) I covered the mums having the homebirths, the independent midwives and the problem with our medicalised hospital system. Hopefully the editor is going to not edit too much. The article is written so people can see that our system is failing women - no choice for a homebirth (for most anyway) however the relatively easy choice of a medicalised birth, with the system steering women to believe that's what is best. For the article on doulas, therefore, I probably want to concentrate on the positives, showing that our current society is conducive to the need of a doula for many women and the rewarding experiences it has given to them. I hope that makes sense. let me know what you think. cheers Kylie From: "Denise Hynd" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:45:18 +0800 Dear Kylie I am going to paly devil's advocate and ask if yoyr article will talk of the pros and cons of Doula's? For example I and others see the increase and popularity of Doula's as a reflection of the lack of the women cenrtred-ness of the system and world's best practice 1-2-1 midwifery options, I am not aware of women who have the latter employing doula's. My exeprience is that such women and their families feel confident to get on with the pregnancy labour, birth and psot natal time themselves with their midwives as the only paid supports? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 8:04 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special.I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward. Let me know if anyone would like to help out. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery. Virgincreditcard.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. In the market for a car? Buy, sell or browse atCarpoint. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article
Hi everyone, I wanted to let you guys know that I put a lot about the current Australian maternity system in the homebirth article, showing the problems with our very medicalised system. For the doula article I am thinking I should focus on the positives, seeing I covered a lot of negative ground in the former and the latter is going to be in the same issue - their baby special. I want the doula articleto present another way for Australian women to achieve a natural and positive birth experience. I hope that makes sense. It's good to get lot of opinions on this, although I have had four children, they were all with a midwifein the hospital system. Although all natural births (I did have gas, does that still qualify?) I would have loved the 1-2-1 midwife care. Before the homebirth article these issues were unknown to me, which is very sad I think, because these issues are not raised in mainstream Australian media. Even ! my articles - they are in Wellbeing, which is an alternative health mag. cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: "Callum Kirsten" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Date: Fri, 3 Sep 2004 19:40:38 +0930 I think i have to agree with you Denise. In NZ where the maternity system is different to here in Australia, and there is more woman centered midwifery care there are no doulas that i know of. In fact one of my lecturers at Auckland University of Technology, told us one day that Doulas were a threat to midwives and their role. To me (and i may be naive) that's what care/support i expect to give as a midwife. I also think the reason woman need doulas should also be brought up in the article, as a kiwi and a student midwife i am really intrigued. I hope you look into it Kylie. Certainly also why australia needs them when NZ a different maternity system doesn't. Maybe it does say something about the current system? Kirsten Darwin ~~~start life with a midwife~~~ - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 6:48 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Jo, Interesting where are these women to birth? With the women's family members sounds like quite a group at each of the labours and births? My experience of the most satisfying birthing expereinces for all has been at home when the woman has turned in and worked with her baby more than any one or any thing in the environment and the hormones have flowed the labour has progressed and it has been her resultant behaviour which the midwife and partner have tuned into and worked around also!! for example I think of several births where the Primp couple have been together in the toilet or bathroom alot of the time with the lights down low in the hall where I was except when I came to listen to the baby after listening to her sounds and knowing she is progressing or not and then making suggestions, giving feedback between contractions and rest periods. Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.For, indeed, they are the only ones who ever have." Margaret Mead - Original Message - From: Dean Jo To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 9:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Hi Denise, I am doulaing with three women who are accessing one on one midwifery care also (not to mention the students they are having follow them too!)I suppose it is up to the individual woman.Some want the midwife there for the birth but want the doula there for moral support and support for her partner, other children or just for her.Despite the fact that midwives -especially the independant ones- offer this type of care when it comes to the crunch, there is a job for her to do and sometimes her focus is shifted from supporting the hubby or even the woman -eye to eye back rubbing etc- due to the clinical skills being required. Jo - Original Message - From: Denise Hynd To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 03, 2004 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] doula article Dear Kylie I am going to paly devil's advocate and ask if yoyr article will talk of the pros and cons of Doula's? For example I and others see the increase and popularity of Doula's as a reflection of the lack of the women cenrtred-ness of the system and world's best practice 1-2-1 midwifery options, I am not aware of women who have the latter employing doula's. My exeprience is that such women and their families feel confident to get on with the pregnancy labour, birth and psot natal time themselves with their midwives as the only paid supports? Denise Hynd "Never believe that a few caring people can't change the world.For, indeed, they are the only ones who ev
[ozmidwifery] doula article
Hi everyone Wellbeing mag would now like me to do an article on doulas, also for the baby special. I have a couple of doulas to talk to and am looking at adding the thoughts of a hospital based midwife who has seen the benefits of doulas in the labour ward. Let me know if anyone would like to help out. Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Feeling spent? Apply here for emergency plastic surgery. Virgincreditcard.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] acceptance of homebirth article
Hi everyone and thanks again to all who assisted with my article on homebirth. The editor at Wellbeing liked it and is publishing it. The bad new is not until next year in May - for their baby special - so I may have to review the facts etc. Oh well like they say 'better late ' cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Kylie CarberrySearching for that dream home? Click herefor all your property needs. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article
Thanks for that - have changed to read as you said cheers Kylie From: "Alan Irene" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article Date: Thu, 26 Aug 2004 11:26:40 +1000 Kylie You could change it to read independent midwives provide one-to-one care to the expecting mother throughout the pregnancy, labour and during the postnatal period. Alan _ From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kylie Carberry Sent: Wednesday, 25 August 2004 10:26 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article Sorry that previous one DIDN'T make sense. the correct one is... independent midwives provide one-to-one care to the expecting mother throughout the PREGNANCY, during labour and postnatally Kylie From: "Marilyn Kleidon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:59:41 -0700 well, I will see if postnatally shows on my spell check... well it seems it doesn't but I don't think that means much!! At least postnatalis a word as is postnatals... My little pocket oxford from1961 doesn't go betond that either... marilyn - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article Hi everyone As some of you know I am writing an article on homebirthone last question before I submit.Is there such a word as 'postnatally"? thanks so much, Kylie Carberry --- --- All only $4! Get the latest mobile tones, images and logos. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. _ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here. http://g.msn.com/8HMBENAU/2740??PS=47575 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. All only $4! Get the latest mobile tones, images and logos. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article
Hi everyone As some of you know I am writing an article on homebirthone last question before I submit. Is there such a word as 'postnatally"? thanks so much, Kylie CarberryAll only $4! Get the latest mobile tones, images and logos. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article
Thanks Marilyn, like you said spellcheck doesn't mean much. The sentence reads something like...independent midwives provide one-to-one care to the expecting mother throughout the birth, during labour and postnatallyDoes that sound right? Kylie From: "Marilyn Kleidon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:59:41 -0700 well, I will see if postnatally shows on my spell check... well it seems it doesn't but I don't think that means much!! At least postnatalis a word as is postnatals... My little pocket oxford from1961 doesn't go betond that either... marilyn - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article Hi everyone As some of you know I am writing an article on homebirthone last question before I submit.Is there such a word as 'postnatally"? thanks so much, Kylie Carberry -- All only $4! Get the latest mobile tones, images and logos. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Discover saving: Earn 5.25% p.a variable rate with ING Direct -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article
Sorry that previous one DIDN'T make sense. the correct one is...independent midwives provide one-to-one care to the expecting mother throughout the PREGNANCY, during labour and postnatally Kylie From: "Marilyn Kleidon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:59:41 -0700 well, I will see if postnatally shows on my spell check... well it seems it doesn't but I don't think that means much!! At least postnatalis a word as is postnatals... My little pocket oxford from1961 doesn't go betond that either... marilyn - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article Hi everyone As some of you know I am writing an article on homebirthone last question before I submit.Is there such a word as 'postnatally"? thanks so much, Kylie Carberry -- All only $4! Get the latest mobile tones, images and logos. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [S] Re: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article
Thanks for that, I have changed it to postnatal period and feel happier! cheers Kylie From: "Fabian Mc Houl" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [S] Re: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 10:51:04 +1000 Hi Kylie, perhaps you could write 'and in the postnatal period'?I have heard postnatally used before, though.Rachel. - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 10:25 AM Subject: [S] Re: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article Sorry that previous one DIDN'T make sense. the correct one is... independent midwives provide one-to-one care to the expecting mother throughout the PREGNANCY, during labour and postnatally Kylie From: "Marilyn Kleidon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 09:59:41 -0700 well, I will see if postnatally shows on my spell check... well it seems it doesn't but I don't think that means much!! At least postnatalis a word as is postnatals... My little pocket oxford from1961 doesn't go betond that either... marilyn - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 4:50 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Grammar check for homebirth article Hi everyone As some of you know I am writing an article on homebirthone last question before I submit.Is there such a word as 'postnatally"? thanks so much, Kylie Carberry -- All only $4! Get the latest mobile tones, images and logos. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Petition to ban Ezzo(Babywise) book
After giving birth to my fourth child seven months ago I was tired (of course!) but knew the night feeds wouldn'tlast forever. As a freelance journalist one of my essential things to do is read the Weekend Australian, as they say reading other peoples work improves your own writing. So when I came across an article in the liftout magazine regarding "Babywhisperer" (I can't remember the exact name of the title) I thought 'hey I'll kill two birds with one stone". I read the article with intrigue. The journalist hada baby herself who wouldn't sleep. After trying techniques in this "whisperer" book (that echo those of ezzo's) she had a wonderful bub and her fatigue disappeared. Now remember I've had four babies so you'd think my instincts would now better, however, weariness does weird things to your brain. I thought I'd give the techniques of strict scheduling a go. In retrospect I can say thank goodness that very n! ight mybaby slept through on her own will and has since. The "whisperer" was forgotten. How can Gary Ezzo be getting away with this? Kylie From: "Pinky McKay" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Petition to ban Ezzo(Babywise) book Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 17:24:12 +1000 I am all for action against this program but does anyone know what exactly will be done with this petition?For instance, will it be circulated to booksellers? Does censorship extend to actually "banning" the import/ sales of books? I am shocked and frustrated that such information is widely available in our local big chain bookstores - ie AR andDymocks. And even more frustrated that in many cases my own books which offer a gentle perspective - and are local - are not there to offer an alternative. I guess we all need to ask/ complain at our local bookshops - and place orders for books we would like to be more available - ie Sheila Kitzionger instead of What to Expect - we dont need to buy - we could have got the book from another source while we were waiting for our order :) Pinky www.pinky-mychild.com - Original Message - From: "A Menna" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 4:49 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Petition to ban Ezzo(Babywise) book Have you all seen this? http://www.petitiononline.com/banezzo/petition.html -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Find love today with ninemsn personals. Click here -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] Marsden Wagner's current position
thank you for the information, i have been 'speaking' to Marsden by email and he's been a wonderful help for my article. cheers, Kylie From: "Lieve Huybrechts" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Marsden Wagner's current position Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 12:43:30 +0200 Marsden Wagner, MD, is a perinatologist and perinatal epidemiologist from California and an outspoken supporter of midwifery. He was director of Women's and Children's Health in the World Health Organization for 15 years. From his current home in Takoma Park, Maryland, Marsden travels the world to talk about improving maternity care, including the appropriate use of technology in birth and utilizing midwives for the best outcomes. He raised four children as a single father. His book, Pursuing the Birth Machine, is a must-read for anyone involved in birth. info www.midwiferytoday.com greetings Lieve - Original Message - From: Kylie Carberry To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 4:20 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Marsden Wagner's current position Hi everyone I am in need of some help for an article I am writing on the positive aspects (and there is evidently an abundance!) on homebirth.I have used some info from Marsden Wagners articles and wondered what his current title is when I attribute the quotes to him thanks everyone cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- 10,000 children need sponsors - change a life -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Marsden Wagner's current position
Hieveryone I am in need of some help for an article I am writing on the positive aspects (and there is evidently an abundance!) on homebirth. I have used some info from Marsden Wagners articles and wondered what his current title is when I attribute the quotes to him thanks everyone cheers Kylie Carberry Freelance Journalist PH: 02 42970115 m: 0418 220 638 a: 21 Susan Ave, Warilla, NSW 2528 e: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10,000 children need sponsors change a life -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery heritage??
Thanks for all the info Jan, Anne Summers actually spoke here at the local library 6 montsh ago and I desperately wanted to go but my bub was only a couple of weeks old. She has a new book that I can't remember the title of - it's about how much further women still have to go to have equal rights. I have read her other book but for a different topic, so I'll hunt it down at the library again. cheers Kylie From: Jan Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] midwifery heritage?? Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2004 07:33:48 +1000 Hi Kylie The book "Damned Whores and God's Police" - The colonization of women in Australia by Anne Summers - first published 1975 by Penguin Books touches on the first "midwives" in Sydney town in the early days of the colony. Anne's book describes how the medical profession gained the upper hand in childbirth for the wealthy right from the beginnings of white settlement on the east coast of Australia.. Florence Nightingale only sent out nurses (who quickly formed an alliance with the growing medical profession -so unless families had the resources to bring out their own midwife it was a matter of women helping women in childbirth- the other alternative was the ship's surgeon. Later on when the first lying-in hospitals where built in Melbourne and later, Sydney it was the doctors who organised a "training course for nurses in maternity care, aided and abetted by the old Australian Trained Nurses Association (ATNA). You will find a lot of records still exist in the archives of the Nurses Registration Boards in each state and territory. Interesting reading. I think Anne Summers is still in academia somewhere in Adelaide. Someone on this list will know where she is employed. She would be a good contact. Cheers Jan Jan Robinson Independent Midwife Practitioner National CoordinatorAustralian Society of Independent Midwives 8 Robin Crescent South Hurstville NSW 2221 Phone/Fax: 02 9546 4350 e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED]website: www.midwiferyeducation.com.au On 25/07/2004, at 7:03 PM, Mary Murphy wrote: Well, I dont know about that! It certainly is MY heritage. I think we have to remember that from the first boat arrived until the 2nd world war, midwives were the ones who helped women birth.After that, the doctors took over, often by stealth outright lies, aided by the birthing women who looked forward to 10 days in bed in hospital away from the farms and all the other kids. My Great Grandmother was a homebirth midwife before the 1st world war. She "delivered" her last baby when she was 70yrs old.She had to be "certified" by a doctor early in the 1900's so that she could continue with her midwifery practice. My mother (who was delivered by her grandmother) was a midwife (schooled as a maternity nurse at KEMH)and worked in a midwife run maternity hospital for an English midwife who was "the matron". On another branch of my immediate family, there was a young woman who arrived in Portland Victoria in the 1850's who also became one of the district midwives.These women had 8 children each and still continued working with birthing women, going out in the horse cart with one of their kids to hold the lantern if it was nioght time. (no street lamps then). My mother was "modern" wasn't allowed to work after she got married. Thereare often histories of midwifery in the state libraries of each capital city. You would be surprised at how much has been recorded. Happy hunting. MM The reason its probably so hard to find info is thatAustraliareally doesnt have much of history of midwifery as such.Not like other cultures where midwifery has hadits roots around for many years.Thats also probably why we have so much difficulty convincing the public about midwifery led models ofcare, it just hasnt been our heritage. Dierdre B. -Original Message- From:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf OfKylie Carberry Sent:Thursday, 22 July 2004 5:01 PM To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Hi everyone, I havehad no luck yet with any editors but am pushing as hardas I canand writing proposal letters from every possible angle. As an extreme example of where we don't want to end up, I am looking at childbirth in the US. I understand independent midwives are illegal (or were) - can anyone fill me in on this? Also some information on the history of midwifery in Australia would be a great help. I can find a lot on American history but not Australian. thanks everyone for your assistance cheers Kylie ½ PriceFOXTEL DigitalInstallation On-Line Limited Offer -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Discover saving: Earn 5.25% p.a variable rate with ING Direct -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hi everyone, I havehad no luck yet with any editors but am pushing as hardas I canand writing proposal letters from every possible angle. As an extreme example of where we don't want to end up, I am looking at childbirth in the US. I understand independent midwives are illegal (or were) - can anyone fill me in on this? Also some information on the history of midwifery in Australia would be a great help. I can find a lot on American history but not Australian. thanks everyone for your assistance cheers Kylie½ Price FOXTEL Digital Installation On-Line Limited Offer -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] US birth and Australian History
Thanks for filling me in on this and for the sources of info. cheers KyliePlay Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] thanks for help
Hi everyone Thanks so much for all the resourceful info. I have read through the NMAP and had a look at the recommended websites. I am now in the process of drafting a proposal letter for various publications. Hopefully an editor will embrace my idea and give the go ahead to write the article. I will let everyone now how I go. take care Kylie½ Price FOXTEL Digital Installation On-Line Limited Offer -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
RE: [ozmidwifery] Info for Article
Thanks Barbara, that would be great.kind regards Kylie From: "Barbara Vernon" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Info for Article Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 09:39:31 +1000 Dear Kylie, The College of Midwives welcomes your interest in writing the kind of article you propose.I will email you some articles off list. Regards Dr Barbara Vernon Executive Officer Australian College of Midwives GPO Box 666Canberra2601 Level 1, 97 Northbourne Ave TURNERACT2612 Ph: 02 6230 7333 Mob 0438 855 529 Fax: 02 6230 6033 www.acmi.org.au 'Midwifery Great Expectations' National conference Perth 31 August-3 September 2004 www.acmi.org.au/perth2004 'Midwifery:Pathways to Healthy Nations' 27th Congress of the International Confederation of Midwives Brisbane,24-28 July 2005 www.midwives2005.com/index.shtml -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mrs Joanne M Fisher Sent: Tuesday, 13 July 2004 10:20 PM To: Ozmidwifery Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Info for Article Hi Kylie, Maternity Coalition may be helpful.Good luck, your idea is fantastic.We need to get that message out to everyday people. Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] www.maternitycoalition.org.au Cheers, Joanne Fisher. - Original Message - From: "Kylie Carberry" [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 13, 2004 10:01 AM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Info for Article Hi everyone, I am a freelance journalist and thought this may be a good place to start for my research.I would like to do an article on the benefits of midwife based care during pregnancy and birth.I am a mother of four and although had midwives deliver my babies I had a different midwife each time I had a checkup and had to deliver at a hospital 30 minutes away from my home instead of the one 5 minutes away.All because doctors wouldn't come to Shellharbour hopsital.My deliverys have all been straghtforward and I didn't "give a hoot" if a doctor was available or not. Recently an announcement was made that a trial is finally underway for the midwife model of care in my area.I find many women are very skeptical of this and would like to do an article to show how a natural part of life has become "medicalised." I feel women are now scared of birth, hence opting for epidurals, c-sections, inductions - all performed by OB's. That is the gist of the article...I'd like to outliine the benefits for mum and baby, eg does it reduce the risk of pnd, trauma for the baby, physical wellbeing. If anyone has any information relevant my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] any help is much appreciated, cheers Kylie _ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. Play Love Hunt to win a $9000 holiday and find love! -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] Info for Article
Hi everyone, I am a freelance journalist and thought this may be a good place to start for my research. I would like to do an article on the benefits of midwife based care during pregnancy and birth. I am a mother of four and although had midwives deliver my babies I had a different midwife each time I had a checkup and had to deliver at a hospital 30 minutes away from my home instead of the one 5 minutes away. All because doctors wouldn't come to Shellharbour hopsital. My deliverys have all been straghtforward and I didn't give a hoot if a doctor was available or not. Recently an announcement was made that a trial is finally underway for the midwife model of care in my area. I find many women are very skeptical of this and would like to do an article to show how a natural part of life has become medicalised. I feel women are now scared of birth, hence opting for epidurals, c-sections, inductions - all performed by OB's. That is the gist of the article...I'd like to outliine the benefits for mum and baby, eg does it reduce the risk of pnd, trauma for the baby, physical wellbeing. If anyone has any information relevant my email is [EMAIL PROTECTED] any help is much appreciated, cheers Kylie _ SEEK: Now with over 50,000 dream jobs! Click here: http://ninemsn.seek.com.au?hotmail -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
