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Kelly, is that genuinely Tizzie on your forum? I find her appearance there very odd, and her posts a little difficult to follow (and poorly written), as well. The whole situation seems a tad ridiculous; Tizzie has been the topic of countless forum discussions on her techniques, her qualifications, and people's (often negative) opinions on them, many much worse than the relatively calm and tame Belly Belly thread in question. To sue over it seems extremely excessive, frivolously (dare I say, Americanised) litigious, and just very difficult to believe. It also wouldn't do Tizzie's image any favours for this to occur. Can someone really sue for a discussion held on a parenting forum about them, simply expressing member's opinions? I just find it all very hard to believe - and if there truly ~is~ an issue with false information being discussed about Tizzie, why doesn't she simply post something straightforward that answers everyone's questions and clears up any misunderstandings, rather than being cryptic and threatening legal action? - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken WArd Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... DAAIRY FARMERS MAY MILK AT THE SAME TIMES EACH DAY, BUT CALVES FEED ALL THE TIME, WHENEVER THEY ARE HUNGRY. AS HUMAN BABIES NEED TO. WHO IS HUNGRY AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY? ALL ANIMALS FEED AS REQUIRED AND I AM YET TO SEE ONE WITH A WATCH. MAUREEN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 3:47 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a controversial discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there is up to replying at all? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206 Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http
Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again...
Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their children, sometimes in their own homes! Stick with it! Janet - shouting hooray at the screen!!! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken WArd Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... DAAIRY FARMERS MAY MILK AT THE SAME TIMES EACH DAY, BUT CALVES FEED ALL THE TIME, WHENEVER THEY ARE HUNGRY. AS HUMAN BABIES NEED TO. WHO IS HUNGRY AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY? ALL ANIMALS FEED AS REQUIRED AND I AM YET TO SEE ONE WITH A WATCH. MAUREEN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 3:47 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a controversial discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there is up to replying at all? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206 Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1413 (20060217) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing
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LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save Our Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ responsible. Kind regards Penny And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:' so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and greet people with a 'Hi:' ! On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their children, sometimes in their own homes! Stick with it! Janet - shouting hooray at the screen!!! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken WArd Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... DAAIRY FARMERS MAY MILK AT THE SAME TIMES EACH DAY, BUT CALVES FEED ALL THE TIME, WHENEVER THEY ARE HUNGRY. AS HUMAN BABIES NEED TO. WHO IS HUNGRY AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY? ALL ANIMALS FEED AS REQUIRED AND I AM YET TO SEE ONE WITH A WATCH. MAUREEN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 3:47 PM To: ozmidwifery
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OK I take that back : ) Born and raised in Ireland, Tizzie started her Save Our Sleep (SOS) business in the United Kingdom in 1996 after tertiary psychology studies and a career in private childcare. But even so, she's talking a crock on her site so obviously it was a wasted education ; ) J - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save Our Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ responsible. Kind regards Penny And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:' so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and greet people with a 'Hi:' ! On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their children, sometimes in their own homes! Stick with it! Janet - shouting hooray at the screen!!! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken WArd Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM To: ozmidwifery
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The About Us on her site says: Tizzie Hall has been working with children for 15 years and boasts a long list of relieved parents who have been helped with customised sleep solutions for their babies. So yes, it's possible she is educated but why doesn't her website say so then? It's not something you'd forget to have on there LOL. There is no mention of qualifications of any kind. I'm happy to support you. I loathe socalled sleep training. J - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save Our Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ responsible. Kind regards Penny And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:' so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and greet people with a 'Hi:' ! On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their children, sometimes in their own homes! Stick with it! Janet - shouting hooray at the screen!!! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original
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Its funny how they still havnt answered your question though Kelly! Lisa...cheering very loudly for you, from Perth! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save Our Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ responsible. Kind regards Penny And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:' so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and greet people with a 'Hi:' ! On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their children, sometimes in their own homes! Stick with it! Janet - shouting hooray at the screen!!! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken WArd Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... DAAIRY FARMERS MAY MILK AT THE SAME TIMES EACH DAY, BUT CALVES FEED ALL THE TIME, WHENEVER THEY ARE HUNGRY. AS HUMAN BABIES NEED
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Perhaps, when threatening legal action, it would be best to a) spell correctly, b) know how to use grammar and punctuation, and c) not be abusive yourself when advising of said legal action. That sounds like a poorly constructed bluff. - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save Our Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ responsible. Kind regards Penny And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:' so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and greet people with a 'Hi:' ! On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their children, sometimes in their own homes! Stick with it! Janet - shouting hooray at the screen!!! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken WArd Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... DAAIRY
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But thats the thing, define tertiary psychology studies? Why doesn't she promote that she is a qualified psychologist? What DID she study at uni? For all we know it could be an arts degree with some psychology subjects - she doesnt say but since she doesnt promote that she is a psychologist I find it highly unlikely she has any idea psychologically speaking, about what she is doing to those poor mums and bubs. How can you promiose a mum results in 24 hours? And how are those mums going to feel when they realise that is unrealistic? And how dare she make us feel so inadequate that we lack the tools to soothe our babies so quickly and that we could be sleeping through if we follow her advice?? It should be illegal! There should be a governing body these people have to register through to make sure they are being watched... not to promote these sleep people, but to stop the ripping us off for bad advice. On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK I take that back : ) Born and raised in Ireland, Tizzie started her Save Our Sleep (SOS) business in the United Kingdom in 1996 after tertiary psychology studies and a career in private childcare. But even so, she's talking a crock on her site so obviously it was a wasted education ; ) J - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save Our Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ responsible. Kind regards Penny And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:' so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and greet people with a 'Hi:' ! On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their children, sometimes in their own homes! Stick with it! Janet - shouting hooray at the screen!!! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my
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I completely agree, Kelly. Totally and utterly : ) She'd better not go to NP if she's worried about having her reputation, such as it is, impugned. She's low on the Christmas list there ; ) - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 12:30 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... But thats the thing, define tertiary psychology studies? Why doesn't she promote that she is a qualified psychologist? What DID she study at uni? For all we know it could be an arts degree with some psychology subjects - she doesnt say but since she doesnt promote that she is a psychologist I find it highly unlikely she has any idea psychologically speaking, about what she is doing to those poor mums and bubs. How can you promiose a mum results in 24 hours? And how are those mums going to feel when they realise that is unrealistic? And how dare she make us feel so inadequate that we lack the tools to soothe our babies so quickly and that we could be sleeping through if we follow her advice?? It should be illegal! There should be a governing body these people have to register through to make sure they are being watched... not to promote these sleep people, but to stop the ripping us off for bad advice. On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK I take that back : ) Born and raised in Ireland, Tizzie started her Save Our Sleep (SOS) business in the United Kingdom in 1996 after tertiary psychology studies and a career in private childcare. But even so, she's talking a crock on her site so obviously it was a wasted education ; ) J - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save Our Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ responsible. Kind regards Penny And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:' so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and greet people with a 'Hi:' ! On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their children, sometimes in their own homes! Stick with it! Janet - shouting hooray at the screen!!! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan
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I think we all know why Lisa ;o) I think some hometruths need to come out because she's clearly sidestepping the truth - hopefully lots of women will read my forum and question who they pay to take advice from in future! On 2/20/2006, lisa chalmers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Its funny how they still havnt answered your question though Kelly! Lisa...cheering very loudly for you, from Perth! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 8:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save Our Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ responsible. Kind regards Penny And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:' so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and greet people with a 'Hi:' ! On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents and torturing their children, sometimes in their own homes! Stick with it! Janet - shouting hooray at the screen!!! - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 10:54 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Haha she wants to sue me for questioning her education!!! Do you think my comments are valid in my reply? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=382146#382146 On 2/18/2006, pinky mckay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL
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Kelly you have my undying gratitude :D I can post their answer, if it ever comes, everywhere I go hahahahaha. - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 2:03 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Could the list moderator please edit / delete my post where I included the email from them, they now have a legal disclaimer at the bottom of their emails and I am sure they'll try anything if they see it. They have now changed their mind, they aren't suing me over the education thing now but have decided they'd like to sue for a members comments saying that she does the 'cry it out' thing... FFS! So I said: This is a joke! Is Tizzie a psychologist or not? A simple yes / no will be fine so I can announce on BellyBelly the truth. Why are you all continuing to avoid the question then change the topic? I think it is you who are confused, in your initial email you said you are suing BellyBelly over words leading to question tizzie's education. *edited out to remove email sent by them, but this is a sum up* So to me, that sounds like legal action for questioning the qualifications. Are you going to keep picking at every little thing until you can find something that you can sue for?! Maybe you can get a bulk discount with your lawyers to sue all the sites that disagree with Tizzie. How come you have to sue people to protect yourselves, surely if you believe in what you do and that it's innocent, you would have posted all the truths, and would be happy to debate in a public media forum. Hiding behind legal action leads all to wonder even more! OoOOh I am getting nasty... I better take a valium and have a sleep! LOL! One routine/sleep trainer down, how any to go???!! On 2/20/2006, Cate Tischler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, that's ridiculous, Tizzie (baby torturor) saying she'll sue you for something written on a forum! But, uno it could only be a good thing if she tried!! Imagine all the bad publicity she'd get ;) Cate Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But thats the thing, define tertiary psychology studies? Why doesn't she promote that she is a qualified psychologist? What DID she study at uni? For all we know it could be an arts degree with some psychology subjects - she doesnt say but since she doesnt promote that she is a psychologist I find it highly unlikely she has any idea psychologically speaking, about what she is doing to those poor mums and bubs. How can you promiose a mum results in 24 hours? And how are those mums going to feel when they realise that is unrealistic? And how dare she make us feel so inadequate that we lack the tools to soothe our babies so quickly and that we could be sleeping through if we follow her advice?? It should be illegal! There should be a governing body these people have to register through to make sure they are being watched... not to promote these sleep people, but to stop the ripping us off for bad advice. On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK I take that back : ) Born and raised in Ireland, Tizzie started her Save Our Sleep (SOS) business in the United Kingdom in 1996 after tertiary psychology studies and a career in private childcare. But even so, she's talking a crock on her site so obviously it was a wasted education ; ) J - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation of character and we Save Our Sleep are holding www.bellybelly.com.au http://www.bellybelly.com.au/ responsible. Kind regards Penny And funny, everyone from Tizzie's office all greet people with 'Hi:' so I think it's all a big stunt from her office and a set-up on the forums... unless she is also teaching her clients to be educated and greet people with a 'Hi:' ! On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly I have to tell you you're a goddess for taking on this crap. People cynically making money telling lies to parents
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, people have been emailing me left, right and centre telling me that any little respect that had for her is now gone and they have lowered their opinion of her. If you like I can have lots more people emailing you to back all this up, in fact I will pass on details as you will see for yourself just how passionate we are about changing society to help women raise beautiful little human beings and not manage an inconvenience. Feel free to call me anytime or email. Best Regards, Kelly Zantey Director, www.bellybelly.com.au www.toys4tikes.com.au Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth Baby Australian Little Tikes Specialists -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Monday, 20 February 2006 2:04 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Could the list moderator please edit / delete my post where I included the email from them, they now have a legal disclaimer at the bottom of their emails and I am sure they'll try anything if they see it. They have now changed their mind, they aren't suing me over the education thing now but have decided they'd like to sue for a members comments saying that she does the 'cry it out' thing... FFS! So I said: This is a joke! Is Tizzie a psychologist or not? A simple yes / no will be fine so I can announce on BellyBelly the truth. Why are you all continuing to avoid the question then change the topic? I think it is you who are confused, in your initial email you said you are suing BellyBelly over words leading to question tizzie's education. *edited out to remove email sent by them, but this is a sum up* So to me, that sounds like legal action for questioning the qualifications. Are you going to keep picking at every little thing until you can find something that you can sue for?! Maybe you can get a bulk discount with your lawyers to sue all the sites that disagree with Tizzie. How come you have to sue people to protect yourselves, surely if you believe in what you do and that it's innocent, you would have posted all the truths, and would be happy to debate in a public media forum. Hiding behind legal action leads all to wonder even more! OoOOh I am getting nasty... I better take a valium and have a sleep! LOL! One routine/sleep trainer down, how any to go???!! On 2/20/2006, Cate Tischler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, that's ridiculous, Tizzie (baby torturor) saying she'll sue you for something written on a forum! But, uno it could only be a good thing if she tried!! Imagine all the bad publicity she'd get ;) Cate Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But thats the thing, define tertiary psychology studies? Why doesn't she promote that she is a qualified psychologist? What DID she study at uni? For all we know it could be an arts degree with some psychology subjects - she doesnt say but since she doesnt promote that she is a psychologist I find it highly unlikely she has any idea psychologically speaking, about what she is doing to those poor mums and bubs. How can you promiose a mum results in 24 hours? And how are those mums going to feel when they realise that is unrealistic? And how dare she make us feel so inadequate that we lack the tools to soothe our babies so quickly and that we could be sleeping through if we follow her advice?? It should be illegal! There should be a governing body these people have to register through to make sure they are being watched... not to promote these sleep people, but to stop the ripping us off for bad advice. On 2/20/2006, Janet Fraser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK I take that back : ) Born and raised in Ireland, Tizzie started her Save Our Sleep (SOS) business in the United Kingdom in 1996 after tertiary psychology studies and a career in private childcare. But even so, she's talking a crock on her site so obviously it was a wasted education ; ) J - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 11:50 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... LOL Janet, I am trying to hang in there and am biting my tongue so hard I think it's going to start bleeding!!! I got an email from her office, an assistant Penny who told me this: To whom it may concern: Save Our Sleep is going to commence legal action on Monday. You have put up words which lead people to question Tizzie Hall's education and if you did your sums you would see it was quite possible for Tizzie to have studied for 6 years. If Tizzie went to school from the age of 4 to 18 and did 6 years in University which you actually don't have to in the UK as it is only a 4 year course it would be possible to then have started Save Our Sleep in 1996 with a couple of years in the middle. So really you should have go your fact straight before making accusations that are fiction. This is called defamation
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Thankyou Kelly for you positive comments about me. I am flattered but will stay out of this discussion for ethical reasons . Pinky - Original Message - From: Kelly @ BellyBelly [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, February 20, 2006 4:07 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... I just emailed the editor of Practical Parenting, Lynne Cossar. You can read what I had to say below, but if you could please forward this onto everyone to email in their own comments of support for Pinky and lack of support for Tizzie, that would be a great way to show them what the public really think. I hope lots of people join me on this crusade ;) I wrote to Lynne Cossar at [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Lynne, I just wanted to write a letter to you personally, as the editor of a very popular, highly influential parenting magazine in regards to one of your writers. Many women on my very busy forum discuss Tizzie's advice and routines (in a very civil manner) and it's come to her attention and she's threatened to sue me because firstly I questioned her education status (I wanted her to clarify tertiary psychology studies as written on her site - is this or is this not a psychologist) and then she changed her mind and decided she'd instead try to go for a comment where a member had said she promoted 'crying it out'. I know she leaves babies to cry but doesn't come back which is called 'extinction' so I don't understand what she is on about there. I don't think you can publish what I want to say, but there are many, many online forums on the internet, particularly in Australia who have far worse things to say about Tizzie and her routines. Her conduct has been far from professional, she seems to have 'spies' or plants who sign up in these forums and defend her, but like I say, its only one person who doesn't post before or after this 'defense' post. You might like to read the discussion on my site: http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?t=21037 And there are plenty of other sites too, which are not just alternative sites but mainstream too, but a small selection: http://forums.naturalparenting.com.au/archive/index.php/t-9370.html http://www.alternativebaby.net/modules.php?name=Forumsfile=viewtopicp=3525 3 http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:MjwkW9bX0MsJ:www.birth.com.au/forum/pri ntthread.php%3Ft%3D4945%26pp%3D40+tizzie+hall+deephl=engl=auct=clnkcd=13 http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:WbluknKgWRcJ:www.naturalparenting.com.a u/forums/printthread.php%3Ft%3D6168+tizzie+hall+sleep+experthl=engl=auct= clnkcd=15 http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:wfOU0LXzcpEJ:www.essentialbaby.com.au/c FForum/viewmessages.cfm%3Fforum%3D108%26topic%3D150862+tizzie+hall+sleep+exp erthl=engl=auct=clnkcd=26 I really think it would be in the best interest of Practical Parenting to find another 'sleep' person (I don't like using the word expert as I believe this honouring title belongs to parents), Tizzie is ridiculed and disregarded on many sites and as you can see from the links, some people want refunds from their Practical Parenting subscriptions due to Tizzie's articles. I know Tizzie is friends with some of you in Practical Parenting, but you have a huge power and even a responsibility of sorts at hand, to change the way society is supporting and dealing with mums and their babies. We need to work with the root cause, which is a stand out lack of support and extra hands for mums - then we can deal with the issues much easier. I know you publish Pinky's articles every now and again - why not give her the big spreads that Tizzie has, Pinky gives power to the mums and lets them be the mum they want to be. The confidence Pinky imparts on mothers gives them the strength to deal with the issues and it does work!!! I've been to many of her talks and heard women chat amongst themselves afterwards, saying how much better of a mum they feel now. How wonderful is that and how much better could that be! She normalizes motherhood and doesn't make us feel like if our babies aren't sleeping then something is wrong with them or we are doing something wrong. Pinky has given me the best advice since my daughter failed two weeks of sleep school - she is now four and I have a second child, yet Pinky still helps me a great deal even now I am a more experienced mum. You can never stop getting great advice from experienced mums. I see Pinky as such a nurturing, warm, loving mother figure and without her, I seriously wonder where I would be, and I know it would not be a good place. She keeps me going when I feel all is lost. Pinky an amazing, intelligent woman who is not as money hungry to charge women for advice with their babies, please give her a go and do something massively positive for women around the world. Pinky has many children, great training, education and experience and mums love her. Please do something and please do it soon! I would happily promote more
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fyi http://www.saveoursleep.com.au/termsofuse.asp interesting read. btw, 'after tertiary psych studies' only *infers* a completed degree - doesnt actually say she holds a degree, or any other qualification. 'Tertiary studies' could mean that she once read a university textbook, or enrolled in a course she never completed, etc. I could say I had gone into a field of unregulated self-employment (as this is) after 'tertiary (x) studies' - even if I had completed only one semester or topic! just my 2c worth jennifairy Janet Fraser wrote: OK I take that back : ) Born and raised in Ireland, Tizzie started her Save Our Sleep (SOS) business in the United Kingdom in 1996 after tertiary psychology studies and a career in private childcare. But even so, she's talking a crock on her site so obviously it was a wasted education ; ) J -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken WArd Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... DAAIRY FARMERS MAY MILK AT THE SAME TIMES EACH DAY, BUT CALVES FEED ALL THE TIME, WHENEVER THEY ARE HUNGRY. AS HUMAN BABIES NEED TO. WHO IS HUNGRY AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY? ALL ANIMALS FEED AS REQUIRED AND I AM YET TO SEE ONE WITH A WATCH. MAUREEN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 3:47 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a controversial discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there is up to replying at all? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206 Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken WArd Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... DAAIRY FARMERS MAY MILK AT THE SAME TIMES EACH DAY, BUT CALVES FEED ALL THE TIME, WHENEVER THEY ARE HUNGRY. AS HUMAN BABIES NEED TO. WHO IS HUNGRY AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY? ALL ANIMALS FEED AS REQUIRED AND I AM YET TO SEE ONE WITH A WATCH. MAUREEN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 3:47 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a controversial discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there is up to replying at all? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206 Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1413 (20060217) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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When james, our youngest was 3 he said one day mummy, booby makes me feel brave when I get scared To me, that validates all I feel about little people and breastfeeding. I agree, WE are each the experts about our babies. I love a quote from an article by Kitty Frantz - you are not managing an inconvenience, you are raising a human being. Pinky Pinky - Original Message - From: Helen and Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:54 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... My husband and I have both just read your words with absolute understanding of where you are coming from. He has always been so supportive of our child's need to get boobie when he needed it. It was always more than a feed, he would sometimes be squarking for whatever reason, hot/cold/unhappy/out-of-sorts/lonely/needing-company/whatever..he would say give him the magic mountains and the little darling would just roll his eyes back into his head as he got on and before we knew it -- it was like some kind of electrical discharge with all the angst just going...going...gone... and he was happyso happy Helen and Graham - Original Message - From: Megan Larry [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 8:37 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... After 7 1/2 years and 4 children, I know with all my heart that breastfeeding isn't all about food. My last child, 19 mths old, is my confirmation that when he comes to me for a feed he is seeking so much more. Through my milk and the act of feeding, at whatever time, he is getting his cup full, food, attention, comfort, confidence, courage, love, the list just goes on and on. I don't need science or education to tell me how suitable breastfeeding on demand is to a young child. I know its not eveyones cup of tea, nor an option for some and to be honest it can be bloody tiring. I chose it for my 3rd 4th boys, the lack of sleep has cost me a lot at times, but having done the Mum controlled (for want of a better word) and the child controlled, I choose the latter without a seconds thought. But that's me and as Brenda said, I'm the expert on me, everyone else needs to sort that out for themselves. As youngest is pulling my hands away from keyboard demanding boob heaven, See ya Megan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken WArd Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 5:51 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... DAAIRY FARMERS MAY MILK AT THE SAME TIMES EACH DAY, BUT CALVES FEED ALL THE TIME, WHENEVER THEY ARE HUNGRY. AS HUMAN BABIES NEED TO. WHO IS HUNGRY AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY? ALL ANIMALS FEED AS REQUIRED AND I AM YET TO SEE ONE WITH A WATCH. MAUREEN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 3:47 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a controversial discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there is up to replying at all? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206 Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. __ NOD32 1.1413 (20060217) Information __ This message was checked by NOD32 antivirus system. http://www.eset.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a controversial discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there is up to replying at all? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206 Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Kelly, This is such a grey area, it's like pro agin IOL, there isn't a right or wrong answer. Only what works for the individual. I am the last person to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do. This whole topic has a long history (I have worked in a Mother/Baby Unit for 10 years on off) of getting you hung ! Women request help then if they don't like your message they shoot the messenger, always when you aren't looking !!! It's a lose/lose scenario, drop it!! The only person I'm an expert about is myself. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a controversial discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there is up to replying at all? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206 Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Oh of course, no desire to tell anyone what to do - the idea isnt about right and wrong at all, but I think that the person who joined the conversation was doing so for promotional purposes :) Hence the request for back-up in saying that mum knows best ;) On 2/18/2006, brendamanning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kelly, This is such a grey area, it's like pro agin IOL, there isn't a right or wrong answer. Only what works for the individual. I am the last person to tell anyone what they should or shouldn't do. This whole topic has a long history (I have worked in a Mother/Baby Unit for 10 years on off) of getting you hung ! Women request help then if they don't like your message they shoot the messenger, always when you aren't looking !!! It's a lose/lose scenario, drop it!! The only person I'm an expert about is myself. With kind regards Brenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Kelly Zantey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Saturday, February 18, 2006 3:47 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a controversial discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there is up to replying at all? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206 Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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DAAIRY FARMERS MAY MILK AT THE SAME TIMES EACH DAY, BUT CALVES FEED ALL THE TIME, WHENEVER THEY ARE HUNGRY. AS HUMAN BABIES NEED TO. WHO IS HUNGRY AT THE SAME TIME EVERY DAY? ALL ANIMALS FEED AS REQUIRED AND I AM YET TO SEE ONE WITH A WATCH. MAUREEN -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kelly Zantey Sent: Saturday, 18 February 2006 3:47 PM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: [ozmidwifery] Babies Sleep Again... Please ignore this post if it's innapropriate, but bit of a controversial discussion going on in the forums, wondering if anyone out there is up to replying at all? http://bellybelly.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?p=381206 Would be nice to have some other pro-gentle back-up! Kelly Zantey www.bellybelly.com.au -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
