Re: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's
What the hell is a burst vagina anyway??? Sounds like a big crock to me. Amazing they way language can be used, so much for informed consent. Here is a nice definition: Informed consent is the process by which a fully informed patient can participate in choices about her health care. Perhaps they were referring to a Vaginal fistula, a potential result of obstructed labour. As many as 2/2000 3rd world births. Previous abdominal surgery (I assume C/sect fits here) is the primry cause in the western world. http://www.womenshealthsection.com/content/urog/urogvvf002.php3 Although the exact incidence of vesico-vaginal fistula in the United States is unknown, estimates range between 0.01 to 0.04% of gynecologic procedures. In developing countries vesico-vaginal fistulas are more common and are related to obstructed labor due to unattended deliveries, small pelvic dimensions, malpresentation, poor uterine contractions and introital stenosis. The primary cause of vesico-vaginal fistula in the United States is related to gynecologic surgery. -- My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nz My Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_Photographers New Photo site@ Mike - http://mikelinz.dotphoto.com Lindsay - Http://likeminz.dotphoto.com Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as it gets. Unknown -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
[ozmidwifery] burst vagina's
Any thoughts for this woman from HAS committee? lives in Eastern Subs of Sydney. Rant: My friend has recently had a caesarean section at the RHW here, she was told that she could keep going and try for a vaginal birth (she was 10cm dilated) but her vagina would probably burst. Talk about value laden language. Oddly enough she opted for a caesar rather than wait for the bursting. If anyone could let me know the amount of research that has been done on this phenomenon I would be interested, as I haven't come across it before. This has been a bit trying for me as everything I predicted would happen has come to pass, and I feel totally useless. I said don't go with the ob, but they wanted to make sure everything went well the first time and obviously the more money they spent the better care they would get. The best part of the labour was the time spent at home, but thank god they went to hospital otherwise the doctor couldnt' have saved their baby. Please don't get me wrong, I know these doctors are good sometimes, I just can't believe that they are really so necessary all the time. Currently I don't know anyone round here who has had a vaginal delivery, it is almost becoming unattainable. Yours in frustration at the system.
Re: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's
What the hell is a "burst" vagina anyway??? Sounds like a big crock to me. Lies told to get this woman into surgery. I wonder what her notes say? I'd bet FTP or CPD. I doubt there's research into "burst vaginas" since I don't believe such a phenomenon exists. Is it possible that the woman was in hyperstim. from Synto. and was told uterine rupture was possible? *shaking head in disbelief here* J - Original Message - From: jo To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:17 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's Any thoughts for this woman from HAS committee? lives in Eastern Subs of Sydney. Rant: My friend has recently had a caesarean section at the RHW here, she was told that she could keep going and try for a vaginal birth (she was 10cm dilated) but her vagina would probably "burst". Talk about value laden language. Oddly enough she opted for a caesar rather than wait for the bursting. If anyone could let me know the amount of research that has been done on this phenomenon I would be interested, as I haven't come across it before. This has been a bit trying for me as everything I predicted would happen has come to pass, and I feel totally useless. I said don't go with the ob, but they wanted to make sure everything went well the first time and obviously the more money they spent the better care they would get. The best part of the labour was the time spent at home, but thank god they went to hospital otherwise the doctor couldnt' have saved their baby. Please don't get me wrong, I know these doctors are good sometimes, I just can't believe that they are really so necessary all the time. Currently I don't know anyone round here who has had a vaginal delivery, it is almost becoming unattainable. Yours in frustration at the system.
Re: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's
i also have never heard of this but certainly i
would go with the thought of hyperstimulation of the uterus from
synt.
such a shame. i wish obs would lighten up a
little
- Original Message -
From:
Janet
Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:57
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] burst
vagina's
What the hell is a "burst"
vagina anyway??? Sounds like a big crock to me. Lies told to get this woman
into surgery. I wonder what her notes say? I'd bet FTP or CPD. I doubt there's
research into "burst vaginas" since I don't believe such a phenomenon exists.
Is it possible that the woman was in hyperstim. from Synto. and was told
uterine rupture was possible?
*shaking head in disbelief
here*
J
- Original Message -
From:
jo
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:17
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] burst
vagina's
Any thoughts for this
woman from HAS committee? lives in Eastern Subs of
Sydney.
Rant:
My friend has recently
had a caesarean section at the RHW here, she was told that she could keep
going and try for a vaginal birth (she was 10cm dilated) but her vagina
would probably "burst". Talk about value laden language.
Oddly enough she opted
for a caesar rather than wait for the bursting. If anyone could let me
know the amount of research that has been done on this phenomenon I would be
interested, as I haven't come across it before. This has been a bit
trying for me as everything I predicted would happen has come to pass, and I
feel totally useless. I said don't go with the ob, but they wanted to
make sure everything went well the first time and obviously the more money
they spent the better care they would get. The best part of the labour
was the time spent at home, but thank god they went to hospital otherwise
the doctor couldnt' have saved their baby. Please don't get me wrong,
I know these doctors are good sometimes, I just can't believe that they are
really so necessary all the time. Currently I don't know anyone round
here who has had a vaginal delivery, it is almost becoming
unattainable.
Yours in frustration at
the system.
Re: [ozmidwifery] burst vagina's
If they are talking about 'burst vagina's" I would
suggest perhaps it's another name for 'splitting, tearing etc". In that case,
most women just have a few stitches.
I have just been with a woman who was planning a
VBAC at home. We transferred in to a hospital on the northern beaches. We were
greeted by a lovely midwife. When the shift changed, another lovely midwife
attended us. The doctor on call, was sympathetic, he didn't burst the buldging
bag of waters, and told my client he would not do a c-section at 7cm, as she was
doing just fine.
Things didn't progress as the client would have
liked, and another c-section was attended. ALL staff treated the woman, her
husband, and I with respect. This is the way it should be, not an exception to
the rule.
Robyn Dempsey
- Original Message -
From:
sharon
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: 02 March, 2006 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] burst
vagina's
i also have never heard of this but certainly i
would go with the thought of hyperstimulation of the uterus from
synt.
such a shame. i wish obs would lighten up a
little
- Original Message -
From:
Janet
Fraser
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 1:57
PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] burst
vagina's
What the hell is a "burst"
vagina anyway??? Sounds like a big crock to me. Lies told to get this woman
into surgery. I wonder what her notes say? I'd bet FTP or CPD. I doubt
there's research into "burst vaginas" since I don't believe such a
phenomenon exists. Is it possible that the woman was in hyperstim. from
Synto. and was told uterine rupture was possible?
*shaking head in disbelief
here*
J
- Original Message -
From:
jo
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Sent: Thursday, March 02, 2006 2:17
PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] burst
vagina's
Any thoughts for this
woman from HAS committee? lives in Eastern Subs of
Sydney.
Rant:
My friend has recently
had a caesarean section at the RHW here, she was told that she could keep
going and try for a vaginal birth (she was 10cm dilated) but her vagina
would probably "burst". Talk about value laden language.
Oddly enough she opted
for a caesar rather than wait for the bursting. If anyone could let
me know the amount of research that has been done on this phenomenon I
would be interested, as I haven't come across it before. This has
been a bit trying for me as everything I predicted would happen has come
to pass, and I feel totally useless. I said don't go with the ob,
but they wanted to make sure everything went well the first time and
obviously the more money they spent the better care they would get.
The best part of the labour was the time spent at home, but thank god they
went to hospital otherwise the doctor couldnt' have saved their
baby. Please don't get me wrong, I know these doctors are good
sometimes, I just can't believe that they are really so necessary all the
time. Currently I don't know anyone round here who has had a vaginal
delivery, it is almost becoming unattainable.
Yours in frustration
at the system.
