Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
thats fine if you have time would love you to have a peek at whats been keeping me very busy for 12 years on www,safetsleep.comwould value your feedback on particularly the 'medical facts and testimonials ' rgds miriam - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 11:13 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Miriam, To another Carolyn, from the mail below. Sorry if I confused you. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:40 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push vedrana did you intend to send this to me or another carolyn somewhere else? rgds miriam - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an article of usefulness. From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and capabilites, such as giving birth. Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology now tells us that emotions (chemicals) are what fires the feeling/vibratory/electrical brain/nervous system into action (which affects/is expressed in the muscular etc reactions/behaviour of the whole body) and the conscious (spiritual) self, that bit of us that thinks in the moment and is untouchable and invisible, is the thinking director of the whole brain/body mind and action, This director is located in the prefrontal cortex of the brain. From my observation and experiences, an uncontrolled urge to push is often associated with thought patterns such as 'wanting it over' and the associated emotional response (through the amygdala) is a release
RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Miriam, To another Carolyn, from the mail below. Sorry if I confused you. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Tuesday, April 18, 2006 7:40 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push vedrana did you intend to send this to me or another carolyn somewhere else? rgds miriam - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an article of usefulness. From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and capabilites, such as giving birth. Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology now tells us that emotions (chemicals) are what fires the feeling/vibratory/electrical brain/nervous system into action (which affects/is expressed in the muscular etc reactions/behaviour of the whole body) and the conscious (spiritual) self, that bit of us that thinks in the moment and is untouchable and invisible, is the thinking director of the whole brain/body mind and action, This director is located in the prefrontal cortex of the brain. From my observation and experiences, an uncontrolled urge to push is often associated with thought patterns such as 'wanting it over' and the associated emotional response (through the amygdala) is a release of a chemical flooding, that matchs that pattern of thought. The brain and nervous system gets the chemical and electrical message, for example 'to get it over' and the body starts the pressure before it is really ready to do so. Doing physical things can help move the woman's focus and attention from what is wrong to what she wants to happen. In this instance, moving from
Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
vedrana did you intend to send this to me or another carolyn somewhere else? rgds miriam - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 6:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an article of usefulness. From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and capabilites, such as giving birth. Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology now tells us that emotions (chemicals) are what fires the feeling/vibratory/electrical brain/nervous system into action (which affects/is expressed in the muscular etc reactions/behaviour of the whole body) and the conscious (spiritual) self, that bit of us that thinks in the moment and is untouchable and invisible, is the thinking director of the whole brain/body mind and action, This director is located in the prefrontal cortex of the brain. From my observation and experiences, an uncontrolled urge to push is often associated with thought patterns such as 'wanting it over' and the associated emotional response (through the amygdala) is a release of a chemical flooding, that matchs that pattern of thought. The brain and nervous system gets the chemical and electrical message, for example 'to get it over' and the body starts the pressure before it is really ready to do so. Doing physical things can help move the woman's focus and attention from what is wrong to what she wants to happen. In this instance, moving from 'wanting it over' to turning the baby or the baby being born. To help the physical actions, (which, because of the neural networks throughout the body, also changes the mind) the woman can be helped to say and focus on what will actually help labour progress appropriately at the right time. Concerted and repeated efforts are necessary to change the thought patterns
Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an article of usefulness. From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and capabilites, such as giving birth. Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology now tells us that emotions (chemicals) are what fires the feeling/vibratory/electrical brain/nervous system into action (which affects/is expressed in the muscular etc reactions/behaviour of the whole body) and the conscious (spiritual) self, that bit of us that thinks in the moment and is untouchable and invisible, is the thinking director of the whole brain/body mind and action, This director is located in the prefrontal cortex of the brain. From my observation and experiences, an uncontrolled urge to push is often associated with thought patterns such as 'wanting it over' and the associated emotional response (through the amygdala) is a release of a chemical flooding, that matchs that pattern of thought. The brain and nervous system gets the chemical and electrical message, for example 'to get it over' and the body starts the pressure before it is really ready to do so. Doing physical things can help move the woman's focus and attention from what is wrong to what she wants to happen. In this instance, moving from 'wanting it over' to turning the baby or the baby being born. To help the physical actions, (which, because of the neural networks throughout the body, also changes the mind) the woman can be helped to say and focus on what will actually help labour progress appropriately at the right time. Concerted and repeated efforts are necessary to change the thought patterns and emotional response, especially when we are in challenging situations and labour is one of the most challenging. If the woman can be helped to change her focus and attention from pain or 'wanting it over' , this change can make big shifts in the electrical and chemical messages in her neurology which then automatically alters how her body responds and acts. Saying over and over again and getting emotional about aspects such as I welcome my baby, I'm a strong and powerful woman. I let go, my baby's coming etc changes the woman's neurology and the emotional code from impatience to one that facilitates birth. Deep relaxation and communication
RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an article of usefulness. From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and capabilites, such as giving birth. Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology now tells us that emotions (chemicals) are what fires the feeling/vibratory/electrical brain/nervous system into action (which affects/is expressed in the muscular etc reactions/behaviour of the whole body) and the conscious (spiritual) self, that bit of us that thinks in the moment and is untouchable and invisible, is the thinking director of the whole brain/body mind and action, This director is located in the prefrontal cortex of the brain. From my observation and experiences, an uncontrolled urge to push is often associated with thought patterns such as 'wanting it over' and the associated emotional response (through the amygdala) is a release of a chemical flooding, that matchs that pattern of thought. The brain and nervous system gets the chemical and electrical message, for example 'to get it over' and the body starts the pressure before it is really ready to do so. Doing physical things can help move the woman's focus and attention from what is wrong to what she wants to happen. In this instance, moving from 'wanting it over' to turning the baby or the baby being born. To help the physical actions, (which, because of the neural networks throughout the body, also changes the mind) the woman can be helped to say and focus on what will actually help labour progress appropriately at the right time. Concerted and repeated efforts are necessary to change the thought patterns and emotional response, especially when we are in challenging situations and labour is one of the most challenging. If the woman can be helped to change her focus and attention from pain
Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an article of usefulness. From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and capabilites, such as giving birth. Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology
RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Thank you :)! I opened a new topic at http://www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=23139highlight=, under the section Birth. Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Heartlogic Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 9:25 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Absolutely Vedrana, if you think it would be helpful. I am delighted to be asked. Thanks, :-) If you find after putting it up on the webforum, anyone would like to ask questions or if anything is not clear, I'm more than happy for people to contact me and see if I can help further. My email address is [EMAIL PROTECTED] My phone number is 0418 428 430 I'm co editing a book about Birth Territory - my chapter is all about mother (plus father, family, midwives/other health professionals, culture etc) as 'territory' of the fetus. so I'm doing lots of thinking/reading/pondering etc about all these aspects/ideas/concepts etc. I'm actually on time off to write as I haven't been able to get it to it with the work/processes/development involved with setting up and the first year (will be on 4th July!) of the wonderful, spectacular, normal, healthy physiologically enhancing birthspace of Belmont Birthing Service. What joy that is/has been. So good to be able to prove/demonstrate that if a woman understands and welcomes the process of birth and has had an opportunity to explore what it all means to her; you leave the woman and her process alone, while providing a loving, kind and supportive, individualised environment, birth happens and happens beautifully, joyfully and with the woman in charge of her process. What a difference that makes. The midwives are ecstatic, the women are happy and intact and the babies are smiling and relaxed. warmly, Carolyn - Original Message - From: Vedrana Valčić [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:50 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Dear Carolyn, I'd like to copy your mail to one web forum (mainly about pregnancy, birth, childhood) in Croatia. Its address is www.roda.hr/rodaphpBB2. Would that be OK? Warm regards, Vedrana -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of safetsleep international Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 8:12 AM To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned
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Wow! Have just read all the other responses to this question and am quite amazed - in most hospital situations all that would be thought of would be an epidural to lessen sensation! :-) Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thanks Sue... What is usually done to remedy it.? From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:21:42 +0800 Sometimes happens with OP positions. Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hi all, A good friend, during her labour, got to 3-4cm and had an uncontrollable urge to push. Her doula, midwives and all tried everything to perhaps lessen the sensation...to no avail. She ended up with CS. Now, what is this all about...? I'm thinking maybe presenting part doing something unusual?? Would love some knowledge re this? Ta -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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My thoughts exactly, Miriam.;-) and a big hug to you Carolyn Regards, Lynne - Original Message - From: safetsleep international [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push wow...'special lady'in my humble experience there are not many who have grown to grasp this level of intellectual and experiential awareness and intelligence ...i will be saving this email and reading it and the references for some time...thankyou warm regards miram - Original Message - From: Heartlogic [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 4:44 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an article of usefulness. From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and capabilites, such as giving birth. Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology now tells us that emotions (chemicals) are what fires the feeling/vibratory/electrical brain/nervous system into action (which affects/is expressed in the muscular etc reactions/behaviour of the whole body) and the conscious (spiritual) self, that bit of us that thinks in the moment and is untouchable and invisible, is the thinking director of the whole brain/body mind and action, This director is located in the prefrontal cortex of the brain. From my observation and experiences, an uncontrolled urge to push is often associated with thought patterns such as 'wanting it over' and the associated emotional response (through the amygdala) is a release of a chemical flooding, that matchs that pattern of thought. The brain and nervous system gets the chemical and electrical message, for example 'to get it over' and the body starts the pressure before it is really ready to do so. Doing physical things can help move the woman's focus and attention from what is wrong to what she wants to happen. In this instance, moving from 'wanting it over' to turning the baby or the baby being born. To help the physical actions, (which, because of the neural networks throughout the body, also changes the mind) the woman can be helped to say and focus on what will actually help labour progress appropriately at the right time. Concerted and repeated efforts are necessary to change the thought patterns and emotional response, especially when we are in challenging situations and labour is one of the most challenging. If the woman can be helped to change her focus and attention from pain or 'wanting it over' , this change can make big shifts in the electrical and chemical messages in her neurology which then automatically alters how her body responds and acts. Saying over and over
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Where I work, we offer position changes, walking, the shower, the bath if available, hands and knees, rocking etc etc all before the epidural is suggested. Even though it is in hospital we still try to make it as women centred as we can, after all we are all there for the woman and the family unit. Katrina On 12/04/2006, at 9:23 PM, Susan Cudlipp wrote: Wow! Have just read all the other responses to this question and am quite amazed - in most hospital situations all that would be thought of would be an epidural to lessen sensation! :-) Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Wednesday, April 12, 2006 10:52 AM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Thanks Sue... What is usually done to remedy it.? From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:21:42 +0800 Sometimes happens with OP positions. Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hi all, A good friend, during her labour, got to 3-4cm and had an uncontrollable urge to push. Her doula, midwives and all tried everything to perhaps lessen the sensation...to no avail. She ended up with CS. Now, what is this all about...? I'm thinking maybe presenting part doing something unusual?? Would love some knowledge re this? Ta -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Sometimes happens with OP positions. Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hi all, A good friend, during her labour, got to 3-4cm and had an uncontrollable urge to push. Her doula, midwives and all tried everything to perhaps lessen the sensation...to no avail. She ended up with CS. Now, what is this all about...? I'm thinking maybe presenting part doing something unusual?? Would love some knowledge re this? Ta -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Thanks Sue... What is usually done to remedy it.? From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:21:42 +0800 Sometimes happens with OP positions. Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hi all, A good friend, during her labour, got to 3-4cm and had an uncontrollable urge to push. Her doula, midwives and all tried everything to perhaps lessen the sensation...to no avail. She ended up with CS. Now, what is this all about...? I'm thinking maybe presenting part doing something unusual?? Would love some knowledge re this? Ta -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Pethidine actually seems to work quite well in this situation... but not so good for babies. I'm assuming all manner of positioning was tried, such as hands and knees, rocking, etc. I have found that for some women bouncing on the birth ball through contractions is a good distractor from pain/ pressure. Other than that, it's a tough one :( Jo On 12/04/2006, at 10:52 AM, Kristin Beckedahl wrote: Thanks Sue... What is usually done to remedy it.? From: Susan Cudlipp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Date: Tue, 11 Apr 2006 21:21:42 +0800 Sometimes happens with OP positions. Sue The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing Edmund Burke - Original Message - From: Kristin Beckedahl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, April 10, 2006 4:19 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] premature urge to push Hi all, A good friend, during her labour, got to 3-4cm and had an uncontrollable urge to push. Her doula, midwives and all tried everything to perhaps lessen the sensation...to no avail. She ended up with CS. Now, what is this all about...? I'm thinking maybe presenting part doing something unusual?? Would love some knowledge re this? Ta -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.385 / Virus Database: 268.4.1/307 - Release Date: 10/04/2006 -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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Hello Kristen, From the literature, uncontrollable urges to push before full dilatation of the woman's cervix and descent of the baby's head are certainly associated with babies who are in a posterior position, that is back of the baby's head, the bone called the occiput, pressing against the woman's sacrum and putting pressure on her bowel 'prematurely'. That is the accepted, physical version of events. Physical interventions to change the baby's position include, but are not limited to: *position changes of all kinds mostly during labour surges, *such as leaning forward, *leaning backward, *opening the ischial spines with various strategies such *as assisting with inwards pressure on the alae of the sacrum; * lifting the trochanters when the woman is squatting (that takes some doing but is a wonderful opener) *lunges with one leg raised on a chair, squatting etc; *the flapping fish (yoga) position which is lying down on the side the baby's back is on, with leg and arm behind, so the person is more on their abdomen - also called the recovery position; lunging as before, but with the woman's body leaning posteriorally into the side the baby is on to reduce space and encourage baby to rotate to the front. *Another excellent strategy is (the midwife or doctor) using the fingers of one hand in the woman's vagina to construct an artificial pelvic floor to help the baby rotate to the front. This is most useful with a greater degree of dilatation as the person needs to have their hand directly on the baby's head to put the counter pressure on (gently and firmly) for increased flexion and rotation of the baby's head. Of course, the woman needs to be informed and agree and be in a position (birth stool is great for this) to enable the midwife/doctor to do this. As we know, we are not merely physical, a bit of material, like a brick or plank of timber, we are a breathing, feeling, moving, social entity. We are more, much more than that which can be cut or fashioned into an article of usefulness. From another point of view, examining our human self, we are an amazing brain and nervous system network, whose function is predominately based on a lifetime collection of learned patterns, concepts and expressions overlaying a genetic intelligence of predetermined processes and capabilites, such as giving birth. Neuroscience. neuropsychology and endocrinology now tells us that emotions (chemicals) are what fires the feeling/vibratory/electrical brain/nervous system into action (which affects/is expressed in the muscular etc reactions/behaviour of the whole body) and the conscious (spiritual) self, that bit of us that thinks in the moment and is untouchable and invisible, is the thinking director of the whole brain/body mind and action, This director is located in the prefrontal cortex of the brain. From my observation and experiences, an uncontrolled urge to push is often associated with thought patterns such as 'wanting it over' and the associated emotional response (through the amygdala) is a release of a chemical flooding, that matchs that pattern of thought. The brain and nervous system gets the chemical and electrical message, for example 'to get it over' and the body starts the pressure before it is really ready to do so. Doing physical things can help move the woman's focus and attention from what is wrong to what she wants to happen. In this instance, moving from 'wanting it over' to turning the baby or the baby being born. To help the physical actions, (which, because of the neural networks throughout the body, also changes the mind) the woman can be helped to say and focus on what will actually help labour progress appropriately at the right time. Concerted and repeated efforts are necessary to change the thought patterns and emotional response, especially when we are in challenging situations and labour is one of the most challenging. If the woman can be helped to change her focus and attention from pain or 'wanting it over' , this change can make big shifts in the electrical and chemical messages in her neurology which then automatically alters how her body responds and acts. Saying over and over again and getting emotional about aspects such as I welcome my baby, I'm a strong and powerful woman. I let go, my baby's coming etc changes the woman's neurology and the emotional code from impatience to one that facilitates birth. Deep relaxation and communication with the baby, talking to the baby, instructing it to turn to the perfect position for birth, to tuck its head up so it can turn perfectly, etc are all helpful thought patterns for progress. We are amazing beings and if anyone is interested in cellular biology and our fantastic body/mind and how we are one wonderful system of many interconnecting communication processes, I recommend Bruce Lipton (a cellular biologist) and his work. He has a website
[ozmidwifery] premature urge to push
Hi all, A good friend, during her labour, got to 3-4cm and had an uncontrollable urge to push. Her doula, midwives and all tried everything to perhaps lessen the sensation...to no avail. She ended up with CS. Now, what is this all about...? I'm thinking maybe presenting part doing something unusual?? Would love some knowledge re this? Ta -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
