Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Safetsleep]

oops pinky forgot to say would love copy of your handouts also
thx
miriam
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Hi Pinky, I would love a copy of your handouts
Thanks Glenys
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Safetsleep]

pinky
i hv a very keen interest to meet up with you at some stage..
.from what i have heard and read about you our philosophies are very 
similar. My background being mainly nursing, parenting, counselling, 
community work and   nearly 20 years facilitating positive parenting 
workshops ,confidence building for women, trust building, sexuality /drug 
and alcohol awareness and other educationaly empowering issues .
29 yrs ago for my eldest son, and since then  subsequent children, i  happen 
to have designed a special sleepwrap which allows all natural movement 
depending on the age and stage of the baby, except those movements which 
could cause harm eg creeping and postional asphyxia, standing, climbing , 
falling, rolling off beds,helping to prevent and correct positional 
plagiocephaly (flat/deformed heads) and seems to provde a sence of security 
with minimal restriction ( far less even than total swaddling)...mothers 
report babies sleeping better/longer/more peacefullyand for them a huge 
feeling of peace of mind
13 years ago initial trials spanned 6 months, involved over 300 babies, 600 
parents and 15 clinicians from various fields within the medical profession 
(no mean feat as you will all know)
since then consistent 20-25% of all first-time babies in nz are 
reached...several countries including european countries have received the 
product and positive parenting philosophy that accompanies it very well 
with the enthusiasm and skill of one of my son's the product is just 
starting in the uk
.hospital clinical trials were completed 2 yrs ago under the guidance of a 
Canadian cranio-facial plastic surgeon, who was/is concerned with the 20% 
(!) of babies who do not respond to alternate head turning nor any of the 
interventions currently advocated and who will remain with permanently 
different degrees of deformed heads!
copy of the published study on the sleepwrap is on www.safetsleep.com under 
'heading 'medical facts'
i have presented 3 medical papers at international level .few details on 
the  'About Us' page more info avail.,

there is also a live wee video which takes aprox 2 mins to down load
about 40% of my work over the past 13 years has really amounted to a 
community service in terms of education and am exhausted but elated that in 
the well over 150,000 babies who have used my sleepwrap ( auditable) we have 
not had one reported 'cot death', or accident
the nzcom and individual midwives have been hugly objectively supportive of 
the concept
i would love to discuss  'sleep' aspects with you sometime and sincerely 
hope you can find some time to tiki-tour the website mentioned above
everything in my literature is based on national and international 
stats...and published dataall evidence-based


would welcome dialogue with anyone who is interested and a educational 
resource pack is avail.,


warm regards
miriam rutherford
mother/educator/designer/md



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From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman


thanks Janet - Brenda and I have "made up" and are speaking civilly to 
each other re the dilemma of confused identity and schedules versus mother 
support.


I am currently writing a new book on infant sleep - all sleep stories/ 
memories/ anecdotes - welcome.


Better clarify - I will not be advocating parent directed feeding, 
controlled crying or leaving babies to cry it out.


please email me offline if you want to share
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks,
Pinky
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Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:10 AM
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Hear hear!
: )
J
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Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Hi,

Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would

ever
be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky 
spends
quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems 
they
have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall 
and

Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such teachings.
They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves 
and

also give great practical advice when needed.

I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her speakshe 
is
one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check 
out

her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful.
http://www.pinky-mychild.com/

I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker 
and

her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She ma

Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Lisa Skelly]

I would love to distribute your brochures to my new parents.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Thanks Lisa

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From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Thanks too kelly

I have been neglecting my webiste - but you may like to read two new 
articles I have just put up -one on Birth Unplanned (one of my columns 
from Practical Parenting -I only get 500 words so can only skim a surface 
but at least can raise issues) in the pregnancy section and an article 
that was published in the September edition re The Language of Tears.(see 
baby section)


I also have some handouts that I am happy to email offlist to anybody who 
would like them to print out for parents - "Give me some respect" (also on 
my site but handout is properly designed) and "15 Ways to Help your baby 
sleep " (basic tips)  plus "15 Ways to Calm the Crying".


Pinky
www.pinky-mychild.com

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Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 AM
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Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there?

Hehehehe :)

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

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I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, 
it's

no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; )
:  )
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[jo]

My first and fourth baby used a dummy. It was something I was NEVER EVER
going to do before having children and when I found myself with my 8 week
old next to me in bed at night with my little finger in her mouth I decided
it was time. They only used them at sleep time, even when my fourth was a
toddler I used to pin the dummy in her cot during the day and sometimes
would find her standing next to the cot having  her dummy 'fix' and then
smiling at me and toddling off.

My first gave it up on her own when she was 20 months, my fourth was
different, she just loved her dummy. On her third birthday (after much talk
and preparation), she left her dummy under her birth/placenta tree for the
fairies to take to their babies. The fairies left her a present now that she
was a 'big girl' and we never heard about it again from her. 

I think there's such a lack of ritual and ceremony in our culture. It was a
definite ritual for her, the process and the control she had over it was
really important.

Any my 2 bobs worth!

Jo

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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman


A tip I heard from a few mums / nannies was that if you make a snip at
the end of the dummy, they quickly get bored of it - it no longer
provides that soothing suck so they become disinterested. My son had a
dummy which helped his reflux when he was little, but gave it up on his
own when his teeth came through - he kept biting holes in them and
ruined them.

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
BellyBelly & Toys4Tikes
www.bellybelly.com.au | www.toys4tikes.com.au

On 1/10/2005, "Kate &/or Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>>I heard there is a window about 5 - 6 months when you can remove the
>dummy, so I might wait another month and try then.  I am not prepared
>for the 'few days of crying' I was told to expect.
>
>
>With my first, everytime I tried to remove the dummy, she started sucking
>her thumb. My dentist said dummies were preferable to thumbs, so she kept
>her dummy - nights only - until she was 3.5 and I had something she was
>willing to relinquish it for. She gave it up cold turkey and never asked
for
>it again.
>
>Kate
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Kelly @ BellyBelly]

A tip I heard from a few mums / nannies was that if you make a snip at
the end of the dummy, they quickly get bored of it - it no longer
provides that soothing suck so they become disinterested. My son had a
dummy which helped his reflux when he was little, but gave it up on his
own when his teeth came through - he kept biting holes in them and
ruined them.

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
BellyBelly & Toys4Tikes
www.bellybelly.com.au | www.toys4tikes.com.au

On 1/10/2005, "Kate &/or Nick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>>I heard there is a window about 5 - 6 months when you can remove the
>dummy, so I might wait another month and try then.  I am not prepared
>for the 'few days of crying' I was told to expect.
>
>
>With my first, everytime I tried to remove the dummy, she started sucking
>her thumb. My dentist said dummies were preferable to thumbs, so she kept
>her dummy - nights only - until she was 3.5 and I had something she was
>willing to relinquish it for. She gave it up cold turkey and never asked for
>it again.
>
>Kate
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Kate &/or Nick]

>>I heard there is a window about 5 - 6 months when you can remove the
dummy, so I might wait another month and try then.  I am not prepared
for the 'few days of crying' I was told to expect.


With my first, everytime I tried to remove the dummy, she started sucking 
her thumb. My dentist said dummies were preferable to thumbs, so she kept 
her dummy - nights only - until she was 3.5 and I had something she was 
willing to relinquish it for. She gave it up cold turkey and never asked for 
it again.

Kate 

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[JoFromOz]

Pinky McKay wrote:


Hi Jo,
I feel sad that the only 'solutions' offered are letting babies cry -I 
also have an enormous problem with avoiding eye contact I have seen 
several babies lately whose mums have been concerned (worried and 
upset re bonding) because bubs are avoiding making eye contact with 
mum -babies make great eye contact with dad ( who isnt doing settling/ 
sleep training)and have found babies making direct eye contact and 
smiling at me as I talk to their parents -  I would never suggest to a 
mum that she had done anything 'wrong' , but each time have discovered 
mum has been using a method of avoiding eye contact with bub to give 
clear sleep messages - as advocated by lots of sleep trainers. Im 
finding a lot of mums using The Contented Little baby book by Gina 
Ford (Childless english nanny)


I find this really upsetting -isnt it precious to have a tiny bub look 
at you and smile in the dead of night? How would we feel if our 
partners deliberately avoided eye contact as we tried to engage?


Hang in there JO - there are gentle gradual ways to remove a dummy if 
you want -Think in terms of "gradually with love"  If you are ok about 
it dont worry - lots of babies give up dummies by themselves later in 
the first year - very few seem to naturally self settle before 4 
months anyway.


A dummy is apparently best out by a year because of teeth formation/ 
distortion but that leaves plenty of time to make changes - there is 
no need to make a baby cry it out.


Pinky


Thanks, Pinky :)
I know it is impossible to avoid eye contact... these dark little eyes 
in the middle of the night staring at me with utmost adoration, knowing 
that I am about to pick him up and feed him.  Even for daytime sleeps... 
I tried that, but his eyes just willed me to look at him.  So I do.  I 
look at him and say "nini" and he watches me leave the room.  Mostly, 
this works just fine! I just have to go in to him every few min when the 
dummy falls out when he's on the brink of sleep, to replace it.  Again, 
I can't help but make eye contact. 

I heard there is a window about 5 - 6 months when you can remove the 
dummy, so I might wait another month and try then.  I am not prepared 
for the 'few days of crying' I was told to expect.


Thanks again, :)

Jo

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Pinky McKay]

You would be a formidable mother to meet in a clinic Janet!
Im grinning here at the thought.

Pinky
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To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:38 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Oh no, Jo! I hear this stuff all the time. To find a MCHN who supports bf
and doesn't teach CC is bloody rare! I've got a list of recommended ones
across Oz and it's really pathetically small.
I just can't understand why a practice which causes brain damage and
attachment disorders is being promoted as the only way. It makes me livid
and nauseated. My MCHN (I only went twice...) warned me about cosleeping
because it's dangerous. I told her she obviously needed to do more 
research

if she felt that way. She told me her bosses say she has to warn women...
: (
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Pinky McKay]

Hi Jo,
I feel sad that the only 'solutions' offered are letting babies cry -I also 
have an enormous problem with avoiding eye contact I have seen several 
babies lately whose mums have been concerned (worried and upset re bonding) 
because bubs are avoiding making eye contact with mum -babies make great eye 
contact with dad ( who isnt doing settling/ sleep training)and have found 
babies making direct eye contact and smiling at me as I talk to their 
parents -  I would never suggest to a mum that she had done anything 'wrong' 
, but each time have discovered mum has been using a method of avoiding eye 
contact with bub to give clear sleep messages - as advocated by lots of 
sleep trainers. Im finding a lot of mums using The Contented Little baby 
book by Gina Ford (Childless english nanny)


I find this really upsetting -isnt it precious to have a tiny bub look at 
you and smile in the dead of night? How would we feel if our partners 
deliberately avoided eye contact as we tried to engage?


Hang in there JO - there are gentle gradual ways to remove a dummy if you 
want -Think in terms of "gradually with love"  If you are ok about it dont 
worry - lots of babies give up dummies by themselves later in the first 
year - very few seem to naturally self settle before 4 months anyway.


A dummy is apparently best out by a year because of teeth formation/ 
distortion but that leaves plenty of time to make changes - there is no need 
to make a baby cry it out.


Pinky
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From: "JoFromOz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Saturday, October 01, 2005 12:17 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Pinky McKay wrote:

thanks Janet - Brenda and I have "made up" and are speaking civilly to 
each other re the dilemma of confused identity and schedules versus 
mother support.


I am currently writing a new book on infant sleep - all sleep stories/ 
memories/ anecdotes - welcome.


Better clarify - I will not be advocating parent directed feeding, 
controlled crying or leaving babies to cry it out.


please email me offline if you want to share
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks,
Pinky


My CHN yesterday suggested I do a 'form of controlled crying' to get my 
4mo off his dummy for settling.  I could only nod politely, thinking "HELL 
NO!".  I'd really like to have him not use it (he only uses it for going 
to sleep), as sometimes that's the only thing waking him up - the fact 
that it's fallen out (again!).  But I'm not going to punish him for 
wanting it.  She said "just go in, pat pat pat, no eye contact, leave" 
Umno.


Jo (Mum to Will, 4 months old)

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[Janet Fraser]

Oh no, Jo! I hear this stuff all the time. To find a MCHN who supports bf
and doesn't teach CC is bloody rare! I've got a list of recommended ones
across Oz and it's really pathetically small.
I just can't understand why a practice which causes brain damage and
attachment disorders is being promoted as the only way. It makes me livid
and nauseated. My MCHN (I only went twice...) warned me about cosleeping
because it's dangerous. I told her she obviously needed to do more research
if she felt that way. She told me her bosses say she has to warn women...
: (
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[JoFromOz]

Pinky McKay wrote:

thanks Janet - Brenda and I have "made up" and are speaking civilly to 
each other re the dilemma of confused identity and schedules versus 
mother support.


I am currently writing a new book on infant sleep - all sleep stories/ 
memories/ anecdotes - welcome.


Better clarify - I will not be advocating parent directed feeding, 
controlled crying or leaving babies to cry it out.


please email me offline if you want to share
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks,
Pinky


My CHN yesterday suggested I do a 'form of controlled crying' to get my 
4mo off his dummy for settling.  I could only nod politely, thinking 
"HELL NO!".  I'd really like to have him not use it (he only uses it for 
going to sleep), as sometimes that's the only thing waking him up - the 
fact that it's fallen out (again!).  But I'm not going to punish him for 
wanting it.  She said "just go in, pat pat pat, no eye contact, leave"  
Umno.


Jo (Mum to Will, 4 months old)

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Alan Rooney]

Hi Pinky
I would love a copy if possible

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks
 Alan

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Pinky McKay
Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 11:29 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

Thanks too kelly

I have been neglecting my webiste - but you may like to read two new 
articles I have just put up -one on Birth Unplanned (one of my columns from 
Practical Parenting -I only get 500 words so can only skim a surface but at 
least can raise issues) in the pregnancy section and an article that was 
published in the September edition re The Language of Tears.(see baby 
section)

I also have some handouts that I am happy to email offlist to anybody who 
would like them to print out for parents - "Give me some respect" (also on 
my site but handout is properly designed) and "15 Ways to Help your baby 
sleep " (basic tips)  plus "15 Ways to Calm the Crying".

Pinky
www.pinky-mychild.com

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From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman


> Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there?
>
> Hehehehe :)
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Kelly Zantey
> Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
> Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
> Australian Little Tikes Specialists
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser
> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 10:48 AM
> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
>
>
> I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, 
> it's
> no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; )
> :  )
> J
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[Glenys Armstrong]

Hi Pinky, I would love a copy of your handouts
Thanks Glenys
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[Pauline]

I feel very sad for my niece, who for whatever the reason stopped sleeping 
thru at around 2 1/2 - 3 months. My sister ended up quite stressed b/c her 
first bay slep all night almost from the day she brought him hopme. So my 
sister did what her MCHN recommended and took her baby to "sleep school " . 
Within 2 days the poor possum was "sleeping thru" and my sister commented to 
me "She has finally got the message that her mother won't get up to her 
during the night any more" At all of 5 months old i found that tragici 
might add that my nearly 7 y o still sleeps with me and i dont stress about 
it because he won't be there when he is 18, but if he was at least i would 
kno who he was sleeping with

Cheers Pauline
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From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:51 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman


thanks Janet - Brenda and I have "made up" and are speaking civilly to 
each other re the dilemma of confused identity and schedules versus mother 
support.


I am currently writing a new book on infant sleep - all sleep stories/ 
memories/ anecdotes - welcome.


Better clarify - I will not be advocating parent directed feeding, 
controlled crying or leaving babies to cry it out.


please email me offline if you want to share
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thanks,
Pinky
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From: "Janet Fraser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Hear hear!
: )
J
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Hi,

Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would

ever
be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky 
spends
quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems 
they
have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall 
and

Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such teachings.
They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves 
and

also give great practical advice when needed.

I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her speakshe 
is
one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check 
out

her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful.
http://www.pinky-mychild.com/

I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker 
and

her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She makes heaps of
money out of really bad advice. But I won't get on to the Tizzie subject

it

makes me dizzie! lol!

Love Abby

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RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Tania Smallwood]

Hi Pinky,

The Birth Matters Group here in Adelaide would love to be able to give out
your handouts as a resource, your books are always popular in our library,
and it would be a great addition to our resource list.

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Thanks

Tania

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Trewern
Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 8:34 PM
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Hi Pinky, I would like to receive your handouts also  at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thank you
  Linda
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From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman


> Thanks too kelly
>
> I have been neglecting my webiste - but you may like to read two new 
> articles I have just put up -one on Birth Unplanned (one of my columns 
> from Practical Parenting -I only get 500 words so can only skim a surface 
> but at least can raise issues) in the pregnancy section and an article 
> that was published in the September edition re The Language of Tears.(see 
> baby section)
>
> I also have some handouts that I am happy to email offlist to anybody who 
> would like them to print out for parents - "Give me some respect" (also on

> my site but handout is properly designed) and "15 Ways to Help your baby 
> sleep " (basic tips)  plus "15 Ways to Calm the Crying".
>
> Pinky
> www.pinky-mychild.com
>
> - Original Message - 
> From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
>
>
>> Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there?
>>
>> Hehehehe :)
>>
>> Best Regards,
>>
>> Kelly Zantey
>> Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
>> Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
>> Australian Little Tikes Specialists
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser
>> Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 10:48 AM
>> To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
>> Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
>>
>>
>> I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, 
>> it's
>> no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; )
>> :  )
>> J
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[lisa chalmers]

Me too please, If I could hand it out to the doulas that I train..,I think 
we could reach quite a few mums!

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To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman


Hi Pinky, I would like to receive your handouts also  at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thank you

 Linda
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From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Thanks too kelly

I have been neglecting my webiste - but you may like to read two new 
articles I have just put up -one on Birth Unplanned (one of my columns 
from Practical Parenting -I only get 500 words so can only skim a surface 
but at least can raise issues) in the pregnancy section and an article 
that was published in the September edition re The Language of Tears.(see 
baby section)


I also have some handouts that I am happy to email offlist to anybody who 
would like them to print out for parents - "Give me some respect" (also 
on my site but handout is properly designed) and "15 Ways to Help your 
baby sleep " (basic tips)  plus "15 Ways to Calm the Crying".


Pinky
www.pinky-mychild.com

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From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there?

Hehehehe :)

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

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I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, 
it's
no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit 
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:  )
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Alan & Linda Trewern]

Hi Pinky, I would like to receive your handouts also  at 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  Thank you

 Linda
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From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Thanks too kelly

I have been neglecting my webiste - but you may like to read two new 
articles I have just put up -one on Birth Unplanned (one of my columns 
from Practical Parenting -I only get 500 words so can only skim a surface 
but at least can raise issues) in the pregnancy section and an article 
that was published in the September edition re The Language of Tears.(see 
baby section)


I also have some handouts that I am happy to email offlist to anybody who 
would like them to print out for parents - "Give me some respect" (also on 
my site but handout is properly designed) and "15 Ways to Help your baby 
sleep " (basic tips)  plus "15 Ways to Calm the Crying".


Pinky
www.pinky-mychild.com

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From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there?

Hehehehe :)

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

-Original Message-
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Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 10:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman


I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, 
it's

no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; )
:  )
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Janet Fraser]

Windy but warmish. Anyone else?
; )
J
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> Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there? 
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Janet Fraser]

Pinky,
I'd love to put some on the Joyous Birth website with a link to your site
: ) Let me know!
J
- Original Message -
From: "Pinky McKay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman


> Thanks too kelly
>
> I have been neglecting my webiste - but you may like to read two new
> articles I have just put up -one on Birth Unplanned (one of my columns
from
> Practical Parenting -I only get 500 words so can only skim a surface but
at
> least can raise issues) in the pregnancy section and an article that was
> published in the September edition re The Language of Tears.(see baby
> section)
>
> I also have some handouts that I am happy to email offlist to anybody who
> would like them to print out for parents - "Give me some respect" (also on
> my site but handout is properly designed) and "15 Ways to Help your baby
> sleep " (basic tips)  plus "15 Ways to Calm the Crying".
>
> Pinky
> www.pinky-mychild.com
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 AM
> Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
>
>
> > Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there?
> >
> > Hehehehe :)
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Kelly Zantey
> > Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
> > Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
> > Australian Little Tikes Specialists
> >
> > -----Original Message-
> > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser
> > Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 10:48 AM
> > To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
> > Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman
> >
> >
> > I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey,
> > it's
> > no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit
; )
> > :  )
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Pinky McKay]

Thanks too kelly

I have been neglecting my webiste - but you may like to read two new 
articles I have just put up -one on Birth Unplanned (one of my columns from 
Practical Parenting -I only get 500 words so can only skim a surface but at 
least can raise issues) in the pregnancy section and an article that was 
published in the September edition re The Language of Tears.(see baby 
section)


I also have some handouts that I am happy to email offlist to anybody who 
would like them to print out for parents - "Give me some respect" (also on 
my site but handout is properly designed) and "15 Ways to Help your baby 
sleep " (basic tips)  plus "15 Ways to Calm the Crying".


Pinky
www.pinky-mychild.com

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From: "Kelly @ BellyBelly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 11:01 AM
Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there?

Hehehehe :)

Best Regards,

Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Janet Fraser
Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 10:48 AM
To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman


I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, 
it's

no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; )
:  )
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RE: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Kelly @ BellyBelly]

Completely agree Janet... So how's the weather over there? 

Hehehehe :)

Best Regards,
 
Kelly Zantey
Director, www.bellybelly.com.au & www.toys4tikes.com.au
Gentle Solutions For Conception, Pregnancy, Birth & Baby
Australian Little Tikes Specialists

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Sent: Friday, 30 September 2005 10:48 AM
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Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman


I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, it's
no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; )
:  )
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Pinky McKay]

thanks Janet - Brenda and I have "made up" and are speaking civilly to each 
other re the dilemma of confused identity and schedules versus mother 
support.


I am currently writing a new book on infant sleep - all sleep stories/ 
memories/ anecdotes - welcome.


Better clarify - I will not be advocating parent directed feeding, 
controlled crying or leaving babies to cry it out.


please email me offline if you want to share
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Thanks,
Pinky
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Hear hear!
: )
J
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To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Hi,

Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would

ever

be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky spends
quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems 
they
have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall 
and

Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such teachings.
They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves and
also give great practical advice when needed.

I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her speakshe 
is

one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check out
her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful.
http://www.pinky-mychild.com/

I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker and
her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She makes heaps of
money out of really bad advice. But I won't get on to the Tizzie subject

it

makes me dizzie! lol!

Love Abby

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[Janet Fraser]

I saw it, Brenda, and I thought extremely well of you for it. And hey, it's
no bad thing to keep this subject heading flying back and forth a bit ; )
:  )
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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[brendamanning]

Janet,
See my public apology..
Foot & mouth disease
Brenda
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To: 
Sent: Friday, September 30, 2005 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Hear hear!
: )
J
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From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Hi,

Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would

ever

be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky spends
quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems 
they
have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall 
and

Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such teachings.
They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves and
also give great practical advice when needed.

I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her speakshe 
is

one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check out
her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful.
http://www.pinky-mychild.com/

I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker and
her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She makes heaps of
money out of really bad advice. But I won't get on to the Tizzie subject

it

makes me dizzie! lol!

Love Abby

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Re: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman

[Janet Fraser]

Hear hear!
: )
J
- Original Message -
From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman


> Hi,
>
> Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would
ever
> be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky spends
> quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems they
> have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall and
> Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such teachings.
> They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves and
> also give great practical advice when needed.
>
> I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her speakshe is
> one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check out
> her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful.
> http://www.pinky-mychild.com/
>
> I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker and
> her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She makes heaps of
> money out of really bad advice. But I won't get on to the Tizzie subject
it
> makes me dizzie! lol!
>
> Love Abby
>
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[Pinky McKay]

Hi Abby,
thanks heaps for your support and kind words.
Pinky
- Original Message - 
From: "Abby and Toby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: 
Sent: Thursday, September 29, 2005 9:44 PM
Subject: [ozmidwifery] Pinky McKay - an amazing woman



Hi,

Just thought I would let everyone know that there is no way Pinky would 
ever

be in agreement with the Ezzo's and their teachings. In fact Pinky spends
quite a lot of time with parents difusing the terrible belief systems they
have, that were put in place by such people as the Ezzo's, Tizzie Hall and
Gina Ford. Pinky's books are wonderful as a tool against such teachings.
They encourage parents to follow their instincts, trust in themselves and
also give great practical advice when needed.

I have met Pinky online and in real life and heard her speakshe is
one of the best and most passionate speakers I have ever heard. Check out
her site and read her books they are really gentle and wonderful.
http://www.pinky-mychild.com/

I wonder Brenda if you were thinking of Tizzie Hall. She is a shocker and
her attitude is terrible towards babies and children. She makes heaps of
money out of really bad advice. But I won't get on to the Tizzie subject 
it

makes me dizzie! lol!

Love Abby

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