Re: [ozmidwifery] dive reflex
Hi Michelle Further to this, sometimes opening the baby's mouth may not be enough, as they make chest movements in attempting to breathe but cannot inhale. The reason for this is that the beby's toungue is 'vacuum' attached to the hard palate, which must be part of a strong dive reflex. Gently easing your finger between the toungue and the palate, and breaking the suction of it from the roof of the baby's mouth will enable to baby to take breath in. Cheers, Lynne - Original Message - From: Michelle Windsor To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Thursday, January 26, 2006 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [ozmidwifery] dive reflex Hi Emily, What I've read of the dive reflex (especially in relation to water birth) is that it is a reflex where the epiglottis stays closed, therefore not letting water enter the lungs. While there is fluid in the lungs prior to birth, this is secreted by the lungs and some of it is excreted and is a component of the liquor. The breathing movements that the baby makes prior to birth do not cause the outside fluid to enter the lungs.They say that thedive reflex will stay intact if the baby is not exposed to a different temperature, and the babyis not hypoxic. A tip passed on to me (in regard to waterbirth) was that if the baby was born and brought to the surface, was in good condition but not breathing, then gently bringing the baby's chin down with your finger and opening the mouth will break the dive reflex. I remember one waterbirth where the baby was brought to the surface, had great heart rate,excellent tone (actively pedalling her legs!) but wasn't breathing. After a few seconds (and because the parent's were getting anxious) I opened her mouth and she immediately began breathing. Cheers MichelleEmily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi jennythats not what ive read about it. i have read about the diversion of blood flow to essential areas due to prostaglandin E2 increases around labour time, but think this is separate to the dive reflex'One more important inhibitory reflex is the Dive Reflex, which involves the larynx. ...when a solution hits the back of the throat, passing the larynx, the taste buds interpret what substance it is and the glottis automatically closes. The solution is then swallowed, not inhaled...' - Heart and HandsemilyJenny Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dive reflex ! is a term used to describe the newborns ability to close off peripheral circulation and redirect the majority of its blood supply to the brain, heart and adrenals. It is a protective mechanism to ensure the vital organs are kept functioning in times of critically low oxygen. It is called the 'seal diving reflex' because seals do it to survive the freezing waters when diving for food etc. It has nothing to do with inhaling water or other fluids. Cheers Jenny Jennifer Cameron FRC! NA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 - Original Message - From: Emily To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] dive reflex Yahoo! PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.2! 0/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 Yahoo! PhotosGot holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. Do you Yahoo!?Find a local business fast with Yahoo! Local Search
Re: [ozmidwifery] dive reflex
You'll find the details here: http://www.birthinternational.com/product/ace/bk400.html Regards Andrea At 10:14 AM 25/01/2006, you wrote: On 1/23/06, Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you got The Midwife Companion? This book is my bible. Maureen Can you tell me the author of this book. rgds mike My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nz My Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_Photographers Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as life gets. Unknown -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Director Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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very subtle andrea R, you should do more bragging about it than that as it is a great resource for the rest of us What she means mike is that she wrote it and you can buy it from her webstore. Andrea Q On 26/01/2006, at 7:58 AM, Andrea Robertson wrote: You'll find the details here: http://www.birthinternational.com/product/ace/bk400.html Regards Andrea At 10:14 AM 25/01/2006, you wrote: On 1/23/06, Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you got The Midwife Companion? This book is my bible. Maureen Can you tell me the author of this book. rgds mike My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nz My Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_Photographers Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as life gets. Unknown -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. - Andrea Robertson Director Birth International * ACE Graphics * Associates in Childbirth Education e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] web: www.birthinternational.com -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe. -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
Re: [ozmidwifery] dive reflex
Hi Emily,What I've read of the dive reflex (especially in relation to water birth) is that it is a reflex where the epiglottis stays closed, therefore not letting water enter the lungs. While there is fluid in the lungs prior to birth, this is secreted by the lungs and some of it is excreted and is a component of the liquor. The breathing movements that the baby makes prior to birth do not cause the outside fluid to enter the lungs.They say that thedive reflex will stay intact if the baby is not exposed to a different temperature, and the babyis not hypoxic.A tip passed on to me (in regard to waterbirth) was that if the baby was born and brought to the surface, was in good condition but not breathing, then gently bringing the baby's chin down with your finger and opening the mouth will break the dive reflex. I remember one waterbirth where the baby was brought to the surface, had great heart rate,excellent tone (actively pedalling her legs!) but wasn't breathing. After a few seconds (and because the parent's were getting anxious) I opened her mouth and she immediately began breathing. Cheers MichelleEmily [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:hi jennythats not what ive read about it. i have read about the diversion of blood flow to essential areas due to prostaglandin E2 increases around labour time, but think this is separate to the dive reflex'One more important inhibitory reflex is the Dive Reflex, which involves the larynx. ...when a solution hits the back of the throat, passing the larynx, the taste buds interpret what substance it is and the glottis automatically closes. The solution is then swallowed, not inhaled...' - Heart and HandsemilyJenny Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dive reflex ! is a term used to describe the newborns ability to close off peripheral circulation and redirect the majority of its blood supply to the brain, heart and adrenals. It is a protective mechanism to ensure the vital organs are kept functioning in times of critically low oxygen. It is called the 'seal diving reflex' because seals do it to survive the freezing waters when diving for food etc. It has nothing to do with inhaling water or other fluids. Cheers JennyJennifer Cameron FRC! NA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717- Original Message - From: Emily To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:38 PM Subject: RE: [ozmidwifery] dive reflexYahoo! PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.2! 0/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 Yahoo! PhotosGot holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. Do you Yahoo!? Find a local business fast with Yahoo! Local Search
Re: [ozmidwifery] dive reflex
On 1/23/06, Ken WArd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have you got The Midwife Companion? This book is my bible. Maureen Can you tell me the author of this book. rgds mike My photos online @ http://community.webshots.com/user/mike1962nz My Group online @ http://groups.yahoo.com/group/PSP_for_Photographers Life is a sexually transmitted condition with 100% mortality and birth is as safe as life gets. Unknown -- This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics. Visit http://www.acegraphics.com.au to subscribe or unsubscribe.
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this is the 4th edition printed in 2004 so maybe a newer one.. i havent got the midwifes companion. although i will add it to my 20 book/video long list of things to buy when money magically appears after student-life :) i also just got 'gentle birth choices' and the dvd that comes with it is the best ! love emily Yahoo! Autos. Looking for a sweet ride? Get pricing, reviews, & more on new and used cars.
Re: [ozmidwifery] dive reflex
hi jenny thats not what ive read about it. i have read about the diversion of blood flow to essential areas due to prostaglandin E2 increases around labour time, but think this is separate to the dive reflex'One more important inhibitory reflex is the Dive Reflex, which involves the larynx. ...when a solution hits the back of the throat, passing the larynx, the taste buds interpret what substance it is and the glottis automatically closes. The solution is then swallowed, not inhaled...' - Heart and HandsemilyJenny Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The dive reflex ! is a term used to describe the newborns ability to close off peripheral circulation and redirect the majority of its blood supply to the brain, heart and adrenals. It is a protective mechanism to ensure the vital organs are kept functioning in times of critically low oxygen. It is called the 'seal diving reflex' because seals do it to survive the freezing waters when diving for food etc. It has nothing to do with inhaling water or other fluids. Cheers JennyJennifer Cameron FRCNA FACMPresident NT branch ACMIPO Box 1465Howard Springs NT 083508 8983 19260419 528 717 - Original Message - From: Emily To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 5:38 PMSubject: RE: [ozmidwifery] dive reflexYahoo! PhotosRing in the New Year with Photo Calendars. Add photos, events, holidays, whatever. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.2! 0/233 - Release Date: 18/01/2006 Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP.
Re: [ozmidwifery] dive reflex
Emily, I don't know the answer to your query but it just doesn't happen that babies inhale the pool water unless they are stimulated to do so by: over-handling, water temp unsuitable, cord no longer pulsating, intrauterine hypoxia (flat baby but will often gasp first)fetal distress, shoulder dystociaor others I can't recall just now. The science escapes me, I too have read all the research articles butmy anecdotal evidence is good enough for me. After 20 years ofattending waterbirths, I've seen 3 babies get an aspiration pneumonia which was attributed (doubtfully)to being born through water, unproven lots of I've seen asp pneumonia attributed to babiesinhaling liquorat birthtoo, go figure ! I guess some people just always have to have a reason for everything (and someone/thing to blame). The book you mentioned is agreat easy to read reference(albeit American so not always applicable here in OZ) getting old now or this an updated version? I too used it alot when I was in the early days of my IP, it was reassuring, if a bit esoteric in places. I too loved it. With kind regardsBrenda Manning www.themidwife.com.au - Original Message - From: Emily To: ozmidwifery@acegraphics.com.au Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 4:22 PM Subject: [ozmidwifery] dive reflex hi everyone i have a question about water births. ive read many times that the baby wont inhale underwater because of the dive relflex, preventing it inhaling whilst submerged in water but why doesnt this reflex occur in utero? i was under the impression the fetal lungs were full of fluid from 'practicing' breathing in utero? so if thats true then the dive reflex isnt working then.. So does this reflex only occur under certain pressure conditions or only after birth or something?thanks for your help. i read an awful article on water birth yesterday that called it a bad joke with no benefits for babies and very risky and against evidence based practice hahahaha ! so i guess im just trying to answer all the questions thative had lurkinglove emilyps today i have just bought 'heart and hands a midwifes guide to pregnancy and birth' and it is so great ive been absorbed all day. do others use this as a reference?Kylie Holden [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi allI'm a Mid student (who has finally finished all her birth requirements...yay!) and this issue has only just come up for me over the last week or two. For the first time in two years, a midwife I was working with pointed out the importance of flushing through the synto if you have given it IV, if there was no drip running to flush it through.This obviously makes sense, because if you don't flush it, the synto will just sit in the J loop or IV line. However, I had never actually seen a midwife do this before. Over the next few days I asked a few midwives what they do, and the responses I got ranged from "Why on earth would you need to do that?" to "Yes, of course you need to flush it!"Any thoughts on this topic?Kylie_New year, new job there's more than 100,00 jobs at SEEK http://a.ninemsn.com.au/b.aspx?URL="">--This mailing list is sponsored by ACE Graphics.Visit to subscribe or unsubscribe. Yahoo! PhotosGot holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP.
