Re: Build

[Winston Pang]

What about XDDNA so it plays on like XNA :p


On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:53 AM, David Burela wrote:

> Earlier this year I sent out a newsletter, saying that I'd made the
> decision to change the Melbourne SDDN group to be a XAML usergroup, to cover
> Silverlight + Windows phone (+ WPF).
> For me there was enough crossover to stop it being an exclusively
> Silverlight usergroup.
>
> My plans for the rest of the year were to have a lot more generic design
> sessions, such as more examples of a design workflow, the creative process,
> etc. I figured there should be more "DESIGN" focus since it is in the
> usergroup's name (SDDN).
> Now with build, I'll definitely having WinRT XAML sessions (in fact, that's
> what this month's Melbourne talk is on).
>
>
> For me, the SDDN has evolved into being a usergroup focused on cutting edge
> Microsoft UI frameworks, and the design philosophies behind UI/UX. I guess
> the only issue is the name.
> I had kept the SDDN name only for the brand recognition.
> *My suggestion?* We rebrand SDDN to XDDN. Which could mean "XAML Design &
> Developer Network" or with the X meaning anything if you want to include
> HTML5 (like the XMUG run by thoughtworks).
> -David Burela
>
> On 21 September 2011 19:12, Stephen Price wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> So most people have probably absorbed the stuff shown at BUILD and so I
>> thought I'd kick off a new thread and see what people think. (I'm yet to
>> spend any time watching videos but have read a few blog posts about it)
>>
>> A couple of things spring to mind. Silverlight will soon be (if not
>> already) legacy code. I liked the quote I saw somewhere "The rumours of my
>> death have been greatly exaggerated. - Silverlight"
>>
>> Being a developer/designer/devigner, I think its great that XAML will be
>> available for C++, HTML5 and .Net. I'm wondering if it's time to
>> rebadge/rename/reinvent the SDDN user group. I'm thinking XUG would be a
>> good name. (Or perhaps XUGXUG, said in the voice of a peon from warcraft 3 -
>> pronounced Zug-zug).
>>
>> thoughts?
>>
>> Go.
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Re: A typical few hours

[Winston Pang]

Greg,

So the plain class implements INotifyPropertyChanged and explicitly raises
property changes on those bound values? What are the properties you're
binding to? No binding errors at all in the output?

On Fri, Jul 22, 2011 at 5:00 PM, Greg Keogh  wrote:

> So I have a plain class object as the DataContext for a UserControl with a
> variety of controls on it. All of the two-way binding works perfectly except
> for a group of 3 radio buttons which seem to change their checked states in
> an incomprehensible random way. For over 3 hours I stick debug displays into
> every crack I can find, I swap code in and out, I try it on different
> controls, I fiddle with the bool-enum converter, but absolutely nothing
> makes any difference. Similar radio buttons on another similar control work
> perfectly, only this one is stuffed.
>
> ** **
>
> I eventually deleted all binding code for the radio buttons and used an old
> WinForms style get/set property and it works.
>
> ** **
>
> I think this is a really typical case of what I’ve been complaining about
> for two years now, and it’s getting worse. As my working days pass, more and
> more roadblocks, workarounds, gotchas and bugs degrade my work satisfaction
> and income. Most of this suffering continues to come from Silverlight, WPF
> and WCF.
>
> ** **
>
> NRN, I’m just venting my boiling spleen.
>
> ** **
>
> Greg
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Re: Bob Muglias & Steve Balmers statements on committment to Silverlight

[Winston Pang]

Man do you ever sleep? Haha you seem to operate in US time.

Bobs post seems to be getting some interesting replies...


Sent from my iPad

On 02/11/2010, at 5:28 AM, Jose Fajardo  wrote:

> Here's Microsoft's official statements
> 
> 
> Bob Muglia has posted extensively on the Silverlight Team Blog:
> http://team.silverlight.net
> 
>  
> Steve Ballmer has also commented on his PDC blog:
> http://www.microsoft.com/presspass/press/2010/nov10/11-01Statement.mspx
> 
> 
> 
>  either believe them or not completely up to you guys!
> 
> 
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Silverlight - Sharepoint 2010 List Item, Uploading file limited to 3MB

[Winston Pang]

Hey guys,


I've got a custom silverlight web part, which will attach files to a List
Item, but it'm running into issues with file sizes limited to 3 megs only.

I've tried configuring the web.config's to up the max request limit, and
I've also tried configuring the upload size limit in Central Admin of
sharepoint.

Anyone have any idea?

Cheers


--Winston
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Re: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued!

[Winston Pang]

Good points... but I wonder, what's going to happen to smooth streaming
actually, it sounds a lot like the HTTP Live Streaming standard that Apple
made, which got people talking the other week when they had the ipod keynote
live stream.



On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Jose Fajardo <
jose.faja...@cynergysystems.com> wrote:

>
> Eg. Let's say a lot of the really cool features of SL make it into MS's
> HTML5 stack...
> 1. Smooth Streaming
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Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic

[Winston Pang]

I think everyone should try to keep their cool. Although I may not agree
with Scott's *opinion*, it is his opinion in some sense, and everyone has a
right to say whatever they want, whether it's right or wrong. I didn't read
his entire post, but I think it's definitely a combination of being
disgruntled and confused with Microsoft.

So long as everyone still has faith in the technology and are not swayed
with comments like his in the community, there's really no merit for a flame
war, even if he started it.

I definitely don't see WPF dieing anytime soon, a lot has been invested and
still will be to it, the only "dieing" that I see is going to happen will
more than likely be convergence with Silverlight, if it was to happen
someway some how.

HTML5 may be awesome, and fit the needs for what these two technologies can
do, but it's like any web standard it's contemporary, and fits the trend.
WPF/Silverlight will still inevitably innovate faster and keep up with
trends than browser vendors would.


--Winston

On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Darren Neimke wrote:

>   Great and gutsy email Corneliu... I agree with and fully support what
> you have said.  Scott needs to walk away and take a good hard look.
>
> - Darren Neimke
>
>
>  *From:* Corneliu Tusnea 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:06 PM
> *To:* ozSilverlight 
> *Subject:* RE: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic
>
>  Sorry to tell you but I'm so sick of Scott's overly-opinionated attitude.
> He has(had) access to a fair bit of internal knowledge inside Microsoft that
> he saw through his own eyes and now he got out and he's spitting everywhere
> around him having no clue about the (moral) damage he does to people he used
> to work with ... and maybe even his friends (though I doubt he had too
> many).
>
> We all know there is no company that is perfect and everywhere there are
> communication issues and we are all people with different attitudes and
> different opinions and yes, sometimes we don't agree but that's why we are
> smart and can talk and come to agree or disagree and move on.
> I so much dislike his attitude and "I've been there I know it all, it's
> doom day and all Microsoft should do the way I think cose they are all
> dead".
>  I bet you he left Microsoft because someone refused repeatedly his
> request to "move up the food/management chain" in a position where he can
> take bigger decisions that he thinks can do .. which got him 
> extremelyfrustrated :)
>
> I would not like to work with next to him in any project as I would feel
> the day he leaves he will turn around and spit on everyone's head.
>
> The article (just like his daily tweets that people hand on to like God's
> words) is yet another massive frustration throw up and "I know everything"
> attitude. Some comments are very good at exposing this.
>
> My 2 cents, (very personal opinion)
> Corneliu.
>
> PS>> I do take notes of his opinions when he stops being "morally and
> verbally violent" to the people around him and his ex-colleagues and a
> complete frustration declaration. This is simply called being polite to
> your peers.
>
>
>
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> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of
> danlaz...@arcamis.com [danlaz...@arcamis.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 14 September 2010 6:33 PM
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic
>
>  Via CodeProject 'Daily News' (14/09/2010) -
> http://www.riagenic.com/archives/363
>
> Dr. Dan Lazner, PhD | Software Architect/Engineer/Developer
>
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Re: Hijack: iPhone dev - was RE: Who is using Silverlight?

[Winston Pang]

Paul, regarding your question. I think it depends what ramp up time you're
referring to, as in a whole team? Individuals?

I spent about 3 weeks, on and off on days, reading about ti and writing
sample non-complete apps, and I find that, the learning curve isn't too
steep. The largest learning curve is the syntax, it's also interesting in
some aspects too, but once you overcome some of the more interesting bits,
it becomes pretty easy.

Their UI pattern is pretty much just MVC, so I mean, if anyone has had
exposure to the pattern per se, they could pick up on how each of the
components interact in your UI.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Paul Glavich wrote:

> We have a need in our company to come up with a quick cost estimate on
> iPhone and iPad app development.
>
>
>
> As a .Net dev, what can this list recommend for iPhone dev and in
> particular what is a typical general ramp up time. Monotouch is an obvious
> choice but am worried about its ability to be accepted in the app
> marketplace.
>
>
>
> -  Glav
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *
> carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 July 2010 1:33 PM
> *To:* ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
> *Subject:* RE: Who is using Silverlight?
>
>
>
> Hi Greg,
>
>
>
> I think once Windows Mobile 7 hits (and the inevitable quick succession of
> point releases) Silverlight will start to take off and (finally) begin the
> journey towards being a prominent target for business application.  I’m sure
> we all feel the mobile application movement hasn’t been realised yet*;
> we’re still only in the foothills of that dream; but Silverlight is such a
> compelling platform because it extends existing .NET skillsets rather than
> requiring developers to climb a vertical learning curve.
>
>
>
> Where I work is already developing iPhone applications (mainly for customer
> gimmick, riding the gadget wave) though there has been talk about long term
> projects using Silverlight on Windows Mobile phones.
>
>
>
> I would argue that business should definitely consider using the tools
> available now to develop Silverlight apps for Windows Mobile.  The tools
> appear very mature even at this early stage; hopefully a sign that Microsoft
> are taking special care to get this right.
>
>
>
> It all looks exciting to me, even from my WPF world.
>
>
>
> Carl.
>
>
>
> * iPhone users would probably argue against this, but there’s more to
> mobile than iPhones, iPads, and Apple
>
>
>
> Carl Scarlett
>
> Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team
>
> *IT Applications Delivery |** **Bankwest*
>
> A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004
>
> P: (08) 9449 8703
>
> M: 0408 913 870
>
> E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Greg Harris
> 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 27 July 2010 10:22 AM
> *To:* ozSilverlight 
> *Subject:* Re: Who is using Silverlight?
>
>
>
> Hi Perry,
>
>
>
> Thanks for that, I am more focused here on examples of true business
> applications.
>
> Not that video presentation can not be a true business application.
>
>
>
> Yes there are some in the showcase.
>
> But I am thinking more about things like company X developed a Silverlight
> add in to their line of business application allowing remote data entry or
> whatever.
>
> That is applications that are NOT using all the Silverlight UI wizardry!
>
>
>
> I feel that there is a real perception problem out there, you have to use
> all the Silverlight UI wizardry, even for simple line of business
> applications.
>
> Also, if possible, looking for more local stuff.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Greg
>
> On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 12:07 PM, Perry Stathopoulos 
> wrote:
>
> Well you have NetFlix on demand in the US that uses Silverlight exclusively
> for their online streaming. The Beijing and Vancouver Olympics were using
> Silverlight exclusively for NBC and CTV networks in US and Canada
> respectively. You then have the showcase here to take a look at:
>
> http://www.silverlight.net/showcase/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Greg Harris 
>
> *Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2010 9:31 PM
>
> *To:* ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
>
> *Subject:* Who is using Silverlight?
>
>
>
> Hi Everybody,
>
> I am putting together a presentation on Silverlight for managers, basically
> a “why you should not be afraid of using this technology”.
> There is one area that I am missing information on, that is who is using
> Silverlight.
>
> Question for the group:
> • Who is using Silverlight in Australia? / Overseas?
> • What for?
> • Is there public information available about the project?
>
> My interest is more focused on real business applications rather than just
> cute show off the user interface technology.
>
> Thanks
> Greg Harris
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Re: Hijack: iPhone dev - was RE: Who is using Silverlight?

[Winston Pang]

I don't think it's a wrong decision on Apple's part. Third party vendors
will always lag behind Apple's own tool set, if you end up having the market
saturated with .NET and Flash developers writing for the iPhone, then that
would mean Apple will need to work closely with Adobe and Mono to release
beta SDK's as well along with their own SDK's, so that all these Flash and
.NET devs would need be able to ramp up and develop against all the new
features in the next revision of the OS.

But it's definitely cool that they loosened the rules up a bit.

On Tue, Jul 27, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Sam Lai  wrote:

> Actually, they've changed their mind and the policy a little, to
> something along the lines of 'exceptions will be considered on a
> case-by-case basis'.
>
> The crux of the issue is to stop the OS being feature-limited and
> dependent on an external framework. The MonoTouch people seem fairly
> confident their framework (and also Unity) is ok - check out their
> website (http://monotouch.net/) and Miguel De Icaza's blog
> (http://tirania.org/blog/). They're definitely not scaling down
> operations.
>
> Their argument is that they provide a one-to-one binding to Apple's
> APIs where possible, instead of an abstraction framework on top, which
> is what Flash does, limiting the dev's ability to use features as the
> underlying APIs are updated until Flash is updated.
>
> Of course, they'll always have that cloud over them, but there are a
> fair few MonoTouch and Unity-based apps in the App Store already. Plus
> the aforementioned policy does not apply to enterprise deployments,
> only the App Store.
>
> On 27 July 2010 19:00, John OBrien  wrote:
> > Paul, Apple essentially stopped anything but Web or ObjectiveC with their
> > change to the TOU earlier this year. You can no longer use Adobe's
> products
> > or .Net to create great iPhone apps.
> > John.
> >
> > 
> > From: subscripti...@theglavs.com
> > To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
> > Subject: RE: Hijack: iPhone dev - was RE: Who is using Silverlight?
> > Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 18:32:15 +1000
> >
> > Oh and given it’s a Silverlight list, feel free to contact me directly on
> > glav AT aspalliance.com so we don’t pollute this list with non SL
> related
> > stuff.
> >
> >
> >
> > -  Glav
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Paul Glavich [mailto:subscripti...@theglavs.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 6:31 PM
> > To: 'ozSilverlight'
> > Subject: Hijack: iPhone dev - was RE: Who is using Silverlight?
> >
> >
> >
> > We have a need in our company to come up with a quick cost estimate on
> > iPhone and iPad app development.
> >
> >
> >
> > As a .Net dev, what can this list recommend for iPhone dev and in
> particular
> > what is a typical general ramp up time. Monotouch is an obvious choice
> but
> > am worried about its ability to be accepted in the app marketplace.
> >
> >
> >
> > -  Glav
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
> > [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of
> > carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au
> > Sent: Tuesday, 27 July 2010 1:33 PM
> > To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
> > Subject: RE: Who is using Silverlight?
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> >
> >
> > I think once Windows Mobile 7 hits (and the inevitable quick succession
> of
> > point releases) Silverlight will start to take off and (finally) begin
> the
> > journey towards being a prominent target for business application.  I’m
> sure
> > we all feel the mobile application movement hasn’t been realised yet*;
> we’re
> > still only in the foothills of that dream; but Silverlight is such a
> > compelling platform because it extends existing .NET skillsets rather
> than
> > requiring developers to climb a vertical learning curve.
> >
> >
> >
> > Where I work is already developing iPhone applications (mainly for
> customer
> > gimmick, riding the gadget wave) though there has been talk about long
> term
> > projects using Silverlight on Windows Mobile phones.
> >
> >
> >
> > I would argue that business should definitely consider using the tools
> > available now to develop Silverlight apps for Windows Mobile.  The tools
> > appear very mature even at this early stage; hopefully a sign that
> Microsoft
> > are taking special care to get this right.
> >
> >
> >
> > It all looks exciting to me, even from my WPF world.
> >
> >
> >
> > Carl.
> >
> >
> >
> > * iPhone users would probably argue against this, but there’s more to
> mobile
> > than iPhones, iPads, and Apple
> >
> >
> >
> > Carl Scarlett
> >
> > Senior .NET/WPF Developer, UX Designer - Genesis Team
> >
> > IT Applications Delivery | Bankwest
> >
> > A: Level 5, 199 Hay Street | Perth | Western Australia | 6004
> >
> > P: (08) 9449 8703
> >
> > M: 0408 913 870
> >
> > E: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
> > [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Greg
> Harris
> > 
> > 

Re: Sketchflow for ASP.Net

[Winston Pang]

Yes, it's only for WPF or Silverlight. It's really just a set of styles that
get applied on it, that's pretty much it.


On Wed, Apr 28, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Mark  wrote:

>  We have a Silverlight application and the boss likes using SketchFlow to
> mock up stuff. We are now looking at writing an ASP.Net app and he wants to
> know if he can use SketchFlow to create the mock pages.
>
> I’ve not looked into it, but AFAIK it’s XAML only so whilst he can create
> pages for demo,  we can’t reuse for our web pages.
>
>
>
> Is that correct? Is there another tool?
>
>
>
> I’d hope to use ASP.net MVC framework if that makes a difference.
>
>
>
> Cheers
>
>
>
> Mark
>
>
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Re: Silverlight 4

[Winston Pang]

Wow, that's pretty fast, already planning for next release. I barely have
time to catch up with using SL4.



On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 2:10 AM, Peter Blois  wrote:

> Don’t forget .NET 3.5 & SL3 support too J.
>
>
>
> Back to triaging Blend 4 bugs, speccing Blend for Windows Phone features,
> planning Blend 5, SL5 & WPF vNext features. Time to relax after shipping?
> Bah!
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
> *Sent:* Thursday, April 15, 2010 9:24 PM
>
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* RE: Silverlight 4
>
>
>
> Give the expression team some slack this time round, as think about their
> shipping dependencies..heheh
>
>
>
> - VS2010 compat
>
> - .NET 4 compat
>
> - SL4 compat
>
> - WP7 compat
>
> + New Features
>
>
>
> All within around a 9 month schedule. When we were told of the schedule
> after SL3 was launched I simply shook my head in disbelief and uttered the
> words "poor bastards"... they appear to have come through in the end
>
>
>
> Hats off to them though they've kept it together considering.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien [
> j...@soulsolutions.com.au]
> *Sent:* Friday, April 16, 2010 1:02 PM
> *To:* 'ozSilverlight'
> *Subject:* RE: Silverlight 4
>
> Great post from Tim explaining it all:
> http://timheuer.com/blog/archive/2010/04/15/download-silverlight-4-released.aspx
>
>
>
> Also he confirmed that VS2010 can multi target SL3 and SL4 so that is what
> I’ll be playing with on the weekend. Looks like RIA services for SL3 is the
> only problematic piece of the puzzle.
>
>
>
> John.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Jordan Knight
> *Sent:* Friday, 16 April 2010 12:07 PM
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* RE: Silverlight 4
>
>
>
> + It'll be done when it's done. It's good that we can use it before it's
> done :)
> --
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph [
> n...@builttoroam.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, 16 April 2010 12:02 PM
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* RE: Silverlight 4
>
> Right, so you’d prefer to wait for longer to get Silverlight 4 until all
> the designer bits are final, rather than get Silverlight 4 today h I
> know what I’d prefer.
>
>
>
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> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Winston Pang
> *Sent:* Friday, 16 April 2010 11:55 AM
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* Re: Silverlight 4
>
>
>
> Pooo :( I just wish they would just release it all at once, bit sick of all
> these beta and RC bits on my machine, I want to just install all the RTM
> bits at once.
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Jordan Knight  wrote:
>
> Yuppers
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Winston Pang 
> wrote:
>
> So wait, the tool's aren't final, but the runtime is?
>
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Nick Randolph 
> wrote:
>
> Note that this is RC2 for the Visual Studio tools. It's actually RTW for
> Silverlight 4 itself!
>
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> -Original Message-
> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vinay Tripathi
> Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 10:03 AM
> To: ozS

Re: Silverlight 4

[Winston Pang]

Pooo :( I just wish they would just release it all at once, bit sick of all
these beta and RC bits on my machine, I want to just install all the RTM
bits at once.

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:50 AM, Jordan Knight  wrote:

> Yuppers
>
>
> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:46 AM, Winston Pang wrote:
>
>> So wait, the tool's aren't final, but the runtime is?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Nick Randolph wrote:
>>
>>> Note that this is RC2 for the Visual Studio tools. It's actually RTW for
>>> Silverlight 4 itself!
>>>
>>> Nick Randolph | Built To Roam | Microsoft MVP - Device Application
>>> Development | +61 412 413 425
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>>> the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this
>>> email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any
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>>>
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
>>> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vinay Tripathi
>>> Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 10:03 AM
>>> To: ozSilverlight
>>> Subject: Silverlight 4
>>>
>>> Just checked, Silverlight 4 RC2 is now available for download.
>>>
>>>
>>> Vinay
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
>>> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight
>>> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:03 PM
>>> To: ozSilverlight
>>> Subject: RE: Move Silverlight Element around in HTML
>>>
>>> Hey Ross,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately the app is actually a CMS with a
>>> big framework - so chaning it isn't an option.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jordan.
>>>
>>> 
>>> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [
>>> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of ross [
>>> r...@perenni.com.au]
>>> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:00 PM
>>> To: ozSilverlight
>>> Subject: Re: Move Silverlight Element around in HTML
>>>
>>> If the SL app is inside an updatepanel I don't think you will ever win.
>>>
>>> You could try pagemethods instead of updatepanels perhaps, assuming
>>> the legacy permits.
>>>
>>> I just tried it out for fun.  I have two divs, one with a SL app and
>>> one with a html button.
>>>
>>> On clicking the button I hid the SL div, called the page method, and
>>> on the page method callback showed the SL div and updated a label in
>>> the html div with the time from the server.  The SL app definitely
>>> didn't reload, as I had a timestamp showing in the xaml side of things
>>> that didn't change.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Jordan Knight
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Having it outside was an option i've considered... the problem is that
>>> the
>>> > UI is quite complex with fold out bits etc... so having it float would
>>> > probably make it look a bit funny.
>>> >
>>> > JAK
>>> > 
>>> > From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
>>> > [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien
>>> > [j...@soulsolutions.com.au]
>>> > Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 12:00 PM
>>> > To: 'ozSilverlight'
>>> > Subject: RE: Move Silverlight Element around in HTML
>>> >
>>> > We talking updatepanels Jordan? You need to make sure you're SL
>>> controls are
>>> > not within the updatepanel or they are redrawn.
>>> >
>>> > The trick we used for the Bing Maps ASP.NET control was to have the
>>> update
>>> > panel just contain some divs used for communication while the large map
>>> > control sat just outside. This was all encapsulated within the control,
>>> the
>>> > developer didn't add their own updatepanel.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > John.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsi

Re: Silverlight 4

[Winston Pang]

So wait, the tool's aren't final, but the runtime is?

On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 11:31 AM, Nick Randolph wrote:

> Note that this is RC2 for the Visual Studio tools. It's actually RTW for
> Silverlight 4 itself!
>
> Nick Randolph | Built To Roam | Microsoft MVP - Device Application
> Development | +61 412 413 425
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>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Vinay Tripathi
> Sent: Friday, 16 April 2010 10:03 AM
> To: ozSilverlight
> Subject: Silverlight 4
>
> Just checked, Silverlight 4 RC2 is now available for download.
>
>
> Vinay
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan Knight
> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:03 PM
> To: ozSilverlight
> Subject: RE: Move Silverlight Element around in HTML
>
> Hey Ross,
>
> Thanks for the suggestion. Unfortunately the app is actually a CMS with a
> big framework - so chaning it isn't an option.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jordan.
>
> 
> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of ross [
> r...@perenni.com.au]
> Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 2:00 PM
> To: ozSilverlight
> Subject: Re: Move Silverlight Element around in HTML
>
> If the SL app is inside an updatepanel I don't think you will ever win.
>
> You could try pagemethods instead of updatepanels perhaps, assuming
> the legacy permits.
>
> I just tried it out for fun.  I have two divs, one with a SL app and
> one with a html button.
>
> On clicking the button I hid the SL div, called the page method, and
> on the page method callback showed the SL div and updated a label in
> the html div with the time from the server.  The SL app definitely
> didn't reload, as I had a timestamp showing in the xaml side of things
> that didn't change.
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 1:06 PM, Jordan Knight
>  wrote:
> > Having it outside was an option i've considered... the problem is that
> the
> > UI is quite complex with fold out bits etc... so having it float would
> > probably make it look a bit funny.
> >
> > JAK
> > 
> > From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
> > [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of John OBrien
> > [j...@soulsolutions.com.au]
> > Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 12:00 PM
> > To: 'ozSilverlight'
> > Subject: RE: Move Silverlight Element around in HTML
> >
> > We talking updatepanels Jordan? You need to make sure you're SL controls
> are
> > not within the updatepanel or they are redrawn.
> >
> > The trick we used for the Bing Maps ASP.NET control was to have the
> update
> > panel just contain some divs used for communication while the large map
> > control sat just outside. This was all encapsulated within the control,
> the
> > developer didn't add their own updatepanel.
> >
> >
> >
> > John.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
> > [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Jordan
> Knight
> > Sent: Thursday, 15 April 2010 11:36 AM
> > To: ozSilverlight
> > Subject: Move Silverlight Element around in HTML
> >
> >
> >
> > Hey guys,
> >
> >
> >
> > I have a situation where an existing ASP.NET AJAX based app has a series
> of
> > SL controls in them. Basically they don't want the SL elements to reload
> > when the ajax controls refresh.
> >
> >
> >
> > I've had a muck around with moving the element in JS, and it can be moved
> no
> > problem - but it re-initialises the control each time... pretty sure its
> the
> > browser doing it.
> >
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any ideas on how I might move an SL control without it
> > re-initialising?
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers!
> >
> > Jordan.
> >
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Re: You can't set Global Styles right?

[Winston Pang]

I think these are one of the many gripes I had with 3 and my lack of
motivation to write an actual SL app.

I know I'll be frustrated as hell moving from WPF down to SL3, with these
subtlties in the way. But hopefully SL4 becomes the starting path for me.

On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 6:27 PM, Stephen Price wrote:

> You can use the Silverlight toolkit to apply your theme.xaml file and then
> put implicit styles in that theme file.
>
> Its funny, I was surprised you couldn't do it, had forgotten I was using
> the toolkit to apply my implicit styles. Glad its part of SL4.
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 2:53 PM, ross  wrote:
>
>> In WPF you can do this in say your app.xaml or in a merged dictionary:
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> And all buttons will be red unless the style is overridden.
>>
>> This doesn't work in Silverlight 3.  You have to name the style then
>> reference it as a static resource:
>>
>>  
>>  
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>> Of course you can do this via the UI in Blend as well.
>>
>> I think it might be possible to set implicit styles in Silverlight 4
>> but haven't tried.
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 31, 2010 at 4:19 PM, Scott Barnes 
>> wrote:
>> > In WPF you can set global styles but in SIlverlight it's
>> right+click+Apply
>> > Style right? ie i'm not high in thinking that am I?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > J
>> >
>> >
>> >
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Re: ozsilverlight Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4

[Winston Pang]

Maybe you should tell them that tweeting is the new blogging. Or maybe you
can aggregate all your tweets and just paste it in a post and post that
haha.

On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 11:22 AM, Jose Fajardo <
jose.faja...@cynergysystems.com> wrote:

>  I know :( My time's currently being killed by a WPF project that just
> won't go away.
>
> I'll be blogging very soon again, especially once Mix and MWC (mobile world
> conference) are done.
>
> p.s. My blog is still at that address, and im also being hounded by my
> bosses to get back into blogging. Will do asap!
> 
> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of
> ozsilverlight-requ...@ozsilverlight.com [
> ozsilverlight-requ...@ozsilverlight.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, 3 February 2010 11:02 AM
> To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
> Subject: ozsilverlight Digest, Vol 6, Issue 4
>
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> Today's Topics:
>
>1. RE: Extension model in Blend (carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au)
>2. RE: Extension model in Blend (David Burela)
>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2010 13:46:49 +0800
> From: carl.scarl...@bankwest.com.au
> Subject: RE: Extension model in Blend
> To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Jose,
>
>
>
> Your blog has been quiet for a while; is it still at
> http://www.cynergysystems.com/blogs/rss/josefajardo or have you moved?
>
>
>
> Carl.
>
>
>
> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
> [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com]
> On Behalf Of Jose
> Fajardo 
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 February 2010 12:17 PM
> To: "ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com" 
> Subject: Extension model in Blend
>
>
>
> Hey David,
>
> I will blog about this soon BUT if you want to learn how to extend
> Blend, go through the Microsoft.Extension.Prototyping* dll's. Sketchflow
> was built using the private blend addin model.
>
> I believe a future version of Blend will have a public extension model.
> For now it's built your own plugins at your own risk..
>
> Hit me up if you need some help working out how to do it all, or wait a
> week or two when i finally get out a couple of posts explaining how it
> works.
>
> l8r
>
> 
> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
> [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of
> ozsilverlight-requ...@ozsilverlight.com
> [ozsilverlight-requ...@ozsilverlight.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, 2 February 2010 1:00 PM
> To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
> Subject: ozsilverlight Digest, Vol 6, Issue 2
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>
>
> --
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 1 Feb 2010 15:20:02 +1100
> From: David Burela 
> Subject: Addins in expression blend 3
> To: ozSilverlight 
> Message-ID:
> <469842e4eeba3d40bb5ae906cef5fa5d15f92fe...@rpex01.solar.system>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> There doesn't seem to be too much information out there on creating
> add-ins for expression blend.
> The main add-ins that existed (unify, colourful expression, xaml editor)
> are all still compiled for expression blend 2 but the add-in model
> changed in blend 3, so looking at the source code on codeplex isn't a
> help.
>
> Anyone got some links to get started?
> -David Burela
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Re: Merry Xmas from Readify.

[Winston Pang]

Hehe, I like the dancing reindeer's, how you do that? Never used Maya.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Scott Barnes wrote:

>  I know.. I am ashamed.. I will go now and sit in my readify corner and
> think about what I've done.
>
>
>
> You guys don't' get it.. I made REINDEERS DANCE PEOPLE.. DANCE... (Go
> Cinema 4D / Maya)
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Jordan Knight
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:34 PM
>
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* RE: Merry Xmas from Readify.
>
>
>
> That's just substandard dude. Geez.
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Scott Barnes
> *Sent:* Thursday, 3 December 2009 11:29 AM
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* RE: Merry Xmas from Readify.
>
>
>
> That was me being lazy and not doing the math of 139px / % :) and instead
> cheated with 100pixels wide progress bar :)
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Winston Pang
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 02, 2009 4:24 PM
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* Re: Merry Xmas from Readify.
>
>
>
> Looking good. Great work!
>
> One little thing I noticed though, the progress bar at start doesn't seem
> to correlate exactly to the percentile value, it seems a bit off... like
> when it reach the 90's mark, there was a large chunk left and it just
> jumped.
>
> Anyways, good stuff.
>
> On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Scott Barnes 
> wrote:
>
> http://readify.net/merry-christmas/
>
>
>
> Small little Silverlight piece that we've done :)
>
>
>
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Re: Merry Xmas from Readify.

[Winston Pang]

Looking good. Great work!

One little thing I noticed though, the progress bar at start doesn't seem to
correlate exactly to the percentile value, it seems a bit off... like when
it reach the 90's mark, there was a large chunk left and it just jumped.

Anyways, good stuff.

On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:21 AM, Scott Barnes wrote:

>  http://readify.net/merry-christmas/
>
>
>
> Small little Silverlight piece that we've done :)
>
>
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RE: Our new silverlight site

[Winston Pang]

Damian,

 

Interesting. Maybe I should give that link to my managers and sales peeps to
factor it in the estimate process. This must mean my company has broken the
law a million times haha doh

 

--Winston

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Damian Edwards
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 1:56 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site

 

Well in Australia it's law. The federal Disability Discrimination Act states
you can't discriminate based on someone's disability. This includes
websites. The body charged with enforcing this is the Australian Human
Rights Commission. They use the WCAG 1.0 standard as their baseline for
assessing a site's accessibility, level AA to be exact. That level states
that all functions of the site must be available with scripts & plug-ins
disabled.

 

So, if the site is for an Australian organisation or individual, or hosted
in Australia, and the core features of your site don't work with JS or
plug-ins disabled, you're breaking the law.

Regards,

Damian Edwards MSysDev
Readify | Senior Consultant, Technical Specialist (Web)
 <https://mvp.support.microsoft.com/profile/Damian.Edwards> Microsoft MVP:
ASP/ASP.NET

M: 0448 545 868 | E:  <mailto:damian.edwa...@readify.net>
damian.edwa...@readify.net | C:  
damian.edwa...@readify.net | W:  <http://www.readify.net/> www.readify.net

 

From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 11:58 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site

 

I do admire that gray's online can gracefully degrade so well. But as much
as we'd all like to design our sites to cater for every population, are
customers even willing to pay more to have support for non-javascript users,
I've found that development companies, all want to minimise development
cost, to have a bigger profit cut. It's just so sad sometimes.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Tatham Oddie  wrote:

Yahoo have a bunch of data around this.

During the development of graysonline.com we decided to support
non-JavaScript users because they represented a significant enough
percentage of our user base. Try it - disable JS in your browser and
everything will still work.

Progressive enhancement is the only way to develop for the web. :)



Thanks,

Tatham Oddie
au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 422 7068, skype: tathamoddie,
landline: +61 2 8011 3982, fax: +61 2 9475 5172

my business: tixi.com.au - Ticketing without the dramas


-Original Message-
From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com

[mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 11:41 AM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site

7% where did you get that stat from?

Is that 7% geo-specific? in that would say China bump that number into the
higher 7 percentile bracket, meanwhile 90% of the US is in the lower 2%.
Assuming its a flat 7% across all countries, now comes the potential vs
reality question.

In that out of that 7% what is the potential of buying / actionable customer
base vis the reality of 7% of users not caring?

If i said to you that i can reach 400million customers tomorrow in total,
and yield say 48% return on actionable events, vs i can target 1billion
tomorrow with a 48% click through, how would that change your ROI
assessment?

What works for Honda doesn't necessarily work for Ford is my point :)



From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
[ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of David Connors
[da...@codify.com]
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:34 PM
To: ozSilverlight
Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site

2009/12/2 Scott Barnes
mailto:scott.bar...@readify.net>>
Most of the research I've read / conducted around "plugins + risk" has
constantly shown that the average user will install anything put before them
provided they get access to the context of what they were seeking.
400million+ installs of Silverlight testifies to this behavior.

If you use javascript you lose up to 7% of users because their browsers
either don't run it, have it turned off or have McAfee/Norton/Whatever
"screw with my Internet experience 2009 edition" installed.

Let me explain that to you in another way: If you are going to sell $1 000
000 worth of stuff in a year on your site, then you will be immediately
flushing $70 000 of your revenue down the can. If you're paying $ to acquire
a lead, you're throwing out $7 in every $100 of your EDM budget.

And I'm just talking about JS.

Sending out marketing and then presenting customers with an Install button
instead of a sales call to action is crazy.

Don't get me wrong, SL and Flash have their place and I lo

Re: Our new silverlight site

[Winston Pang]

I do admire that gray's online can gracefully degrade so well. But as much
as we'd all like to design our sites to cater for every population, are
customers even willing to pay more to have support for non-javascript users,
I've found that development companies, all want to minimise development
cost, to have a bigger profit cut. It's just so sad sometimes.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Tatham Oddie  wrote:

> Yahoo have a bunch of data around this.
>
> During the development of graysonline.com we decided to support
> non-JavaScript users because they represented a significant enough
> percentage of our user base. Try it - disable JS in your browser and
> everything will still work.
>
> Progressive enhancement is the only way to develop for the web. :)
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Tatham Oddie
> au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 422 7068, skype: tathamoddie,
> landline: +61 2 8011 3982, fax: +61 2 9475 5172
> my business: tixi.com.au - Ticketing without the dramas
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
> [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 11:41 AM
> To: ozSilverlight
> Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site
>
> 7% where did you get that stat from?
>
> Is that 7% geo-specific? in that would say China bump that number into the
> higher 7 percentile bracket, meanwhile 90% of the US is in the lower 2%.
> Assuming its a flat 7% across all countries, now comes the potential vs
> reality question.
>
> In that out of that 7% what is the potential of buying / actionable
> customer
> base vis the reality of 7% of users not caring?
>
> If i said to you that i can reach 400million customers tomorrow in total,
> and yield say 48% return on actionable events, vs i can target 1billion
> tomorrow with a 48% click through, how would that change your ROI
> assessment?
>
> What works for Honda doesn't necessarily work for Ford is my point :)
>
>
> 
> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com
> [ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of David Connors
> [da...@codify.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 4:34 PM
> To: ozSilverlight
> Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site
>
> 2009/12/2 Scott Barnes
> mailto:scott.bar...@readify.net>>
> Most of the research I've read / conducted around "plugins + risk" has
> constantly shown that the average user will install anything put before
> them
> provided they get access to the context of what they were seeking.
> 400million+ installs of Silverlight testifies to this behavior.
>
> If you use javascript you lose up to 7% of users because their browsers
> either don't run it, have it turned off or have McAfee/Norton/Whatever
> "screw with my Internet experience 2009 edition" installed.
>
> Let me explain that to you in another way: If you are going to sell $1 000
> 000 worth of stuff in a year on your site, then you will be immediately
> flushing $70 000 of your revenue down the can. If you're paying $ to
> acquire
> a lead, you're throwing out $7 in every $100 of your EDM budget.
>
> And I'm just talking about JS.
>
> Sending out marketing and then presenting customers with an Install button
> instead of a sales call to action is crazy.
>
> Don't get me wrong, SL and Flash have their place and I love
> kongregate.com - but as an adjunct, not an
> impediment
> to a transaction.
>
> --
> David Connors (da...@codify.com)
> Software Engineer
> Codify Pty Ltd - www.codify.com
> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417
> 189 363
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Re: Our new silverlight site

[Winston Pang]

If that's the theory, then wouldn't the credibility of the source have some
sort of correlation to the credibility of the vendor? If flash has some big
vulnerability, and all their files are deleted, they'll be blamming youtube!

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 11:07 AM, Jordan Knight wrote:

> + you get the "have you heard of Adobe?". "nup". "What about Microsoft?".
> "Totally".
>
> Yet they still install Flash which is from a company they've never heard
> of... it's just the they trust YouTube to not bomb their puter machine...
>
> I reckon it's more about the source site's credibility than plug-in vendor
> credibility.
>
> (the only other thing is on locked down machines - up to the admin peeps to
> let the SL client trough their labyrinth of superfluous security systems :P)
>
> -Original Message-
> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Scott Barnes
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 10:56 AM
> To: ozSilverlight
> Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site
>
> Most of the research I've read / conducted around "plugins + risk" has
> constantly shown that the average user will install anything put before them
> provided they get access to the context of what they were seeking.
> 400million+ installs of Silverlight testifies to this behavior.
>
> Don't get my engines started on the misconception of what mums & dads do
> online, i used to bore my team in Redmond to sleep with my soap boxing on
> this subject :)
>
> 
> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang [
> winstonp...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 3:28 PM
> To: ozSilverlight
> Subject: Re: Our new silverlight site
>
> Haha yeah, that's true. I asked a family member once, "Flash is installed
> right?", "I have Windows Media Player Installed", "...", "Oh I also have
> iTunes installed".
>
> I love users, maybe it goes to show we're still a lot far off from making
> computers easily understandable for average users.
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Jordan Knight  <mailto:jordan.kni...@readify.net>> wrote:
> I find mum and dad users don't even know what tech they are using. "Do you
> have flash installed?". "What?". "Can you play youtube videos?"
>
> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com> [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com>] On Behalf Of Shane Morris
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 8:48 AM
>
> To: ozSilverlight
> Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site
>
> I don’t find that sad. Average users should not have to think about whether
> something is Flash or Silverlight. We think the technology is cool, users
> should just think the site is cool. Hopefully users today don’t say ‘nice
> PHP web site’? ☺
>
> Shane
>
> Shane Morris  |  User Experience Evangelist  |  Microsoft Australia  |
> shan...@microsoft.com<mailto:shan...@microsoft.com>  |
> blogs.msdn.com/shanemo<http://blogs.msdn.com/shanemo>
>
>
>
> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com> [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com>] On Behalf Of Winston Pang
> Sent: Wednesday, 2 December 2009 7:51 AM
> To: ozSilverlight
> Subject: Re: Re: Our new silverlight site
>
> One thing I find sad about all this stuff is, the average user is going to
> say "Nice Flash website". :(
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Miguel Madero  m...@miguelmadero.com>> wrote:
> I just noticed that you integrated 3 videos with the deep zoom. It looks
> cool.
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Miguel Madero  <mailto:m...@miguelmadero.com>> wrote:
> Wow that's nice :)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM,  rjemp...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> The company history page is another interesting use of deep zoom :
> http://www.michaelhill.com.au/#CompanyHistory
>
> Click the pause button to skip the video
>
>
> On 01/12/2009 10:45am, Miguel Madero  m...@miguelmadero.com>> wrote:
> > Thanks for sharing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you mean by Application lifetime objects / client side services?
> >
> >
> > It's nice the way you use deepzoom. Altough I was thinking I could zoom
> in out of the products and th

Re: Our new silverlight site

[Winston Pang]

Haha, well that's generally an indicator, but they could be frugal people to
save up to buy jewelery on the site =P

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:57 AM, David Burela wrote:

>  well then if they can't afford a computer newer than the last 7 years,
> they obviously can't afford the jewlery on the website, so it is a good
> initial filter :-P
>
>
> David Burela
> Readify | Senior Developer**
>
> Suite 206 Nolan Tower | 29 Rakaia Way | Docklands | VIC 3008 | Australia
> M: +61 (0)407 363 860 | E: david.bur...@readify.net| W: www.readify.net
>  --
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Winston Pang [
> winstonp...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 December 2009 10:54 AM
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* Re: Our new silverlight site
>
>  That's a very good point David. Not to mention that some of these
> secretary's have a passed down machine that's like 7 yrs old, I know this
> because my uncle pass's his old computers at his surgery to the secretary,
> and you can barely load SMH...
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM, David Connors  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> 2009/12/1 Ross McKinnon 
>>
>>  Hi all, as you guys aren’t exactly our target market, this can’t be
>>> considered a cheap marketing email to promote our new website, but more
>>> a demonstration of how silverlight can be utilized to create a global
>>> retail branding site.
>>>
>>  [ ... ]
>>
>>  http://www.statowl.com/silverlight.php
>>
>>  <http://www.statowl.com/silverlight.php>Silverlight/Flash is a great
>> adjunct to an HTML web site (to play video or a browser game), but you're
>> barking mad to turn two in three of your users away (except to see a basic
>> list of stores). Aside from an initial flash in the pan from nerds like me
>> looking at it purely because it is implemented in SL - your analytics/KPIs
>> are going to look like a train smash in a month.
>>
>>  The average secretary looking for some info on the next Gold Gold Silver
>> Silver Chain Chain Sale Sale on her work PC at lunch isn't going to be able
>> to install it anyway.
>>
>>  Turning away 2 in 3 customers in the lead up to Christmas ... ?
>>
>>  Hell, we try and talk customers out of using Javascript unless it is
>> needed (so you don't lose the 5-7% of people on rubbish browsers, behind
>> nazi proxies/anti-malware, etc)
>>
>>  I'll get back in my box now.
>>
>> --
>> David Connors (da...@codify.com)
>> Software Engineer
>> Codify Pty Ltd - www.codify.com
>> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417
>> 189 363
>> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
>> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
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Re: Our new silverlight site

[Winston Pang]

That's a very good point David. Not to mention that some of these
secretary's have a passed down machine that's like 7 yrs old, I know this
because my uncle pass's his old computers at his surgery to the secretary,
and you can barely load SMH...

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:42 AM, David Connors  wrote:

>
>
> 2009/12/1 Ross McKinnon 
>
>  Hi all, as you guys aren’t exactly our target market, this can’t be
>> considered a cheap marketing email to promote our new website, but more a
>> demonstration of how silverlight can be utilized to create a global
>> retail branding site.
>>
> [ ... ]
>
> http://www.statowl.com/silverlight.php
>
> Silverlight/Flash is a great
> adjunct to an HTML web site (to play video or a browser game), but you're
> barking mad to turn two in three of your users away (except to see a basic
> list of stores). Aside from an initial flash in the pan from nerds like me
> looking at it purely because it is implemented in SL - your analytics/KPIs
> are going to look like a train smash in a month.
>
> The average secretary looking for some info on the next Gold Gold Silver
> Silver Chain Chain Sale Sale on her work PC at lunch isn't going to be able
> to install it anyway.
>
> Turning away 2 in 3 customers in the lead up to Christmas ... ?
>
> Hell, we try and talk customers out of using Javascript unless it is needed
> (so you don't lose the 5-7% of people on rubbish browsers, behind nazi
> proxies/anti-malware, etc)
>
> I'll get back in my box now.
>
> --
> David Connors (da...@codify.com)
> Software Engineer
> Codify Pty Ltd - www.codify.com
> Phone: +61 (7) 3210 6268 | Facsimile: +61 (7) 3210 6269 | Mobile: +61 417
> 189 363
> V-Card: https://www.codify.com/cards/davidconnors
> Address Info: https://www.codify.com/contact
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Re: Our new silverlight site

[Winston Pang]

Haha yeah, that's true. I asked a family member once, "Flash is installed
right?", "I have Windows Media Player Installed", "...", "Oh I also have
iTunes installed".

I love users, maybe it goes to show we're still a lot far off from making
computers easily understandable for average users.

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Jordan Knight wrote:

>  I find mum and dad users don't even know what tech they are using. "Do
> you have flash installed?". "What?". "Can you play youtube videos?"
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Shane Morris
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 December 2009 8:48 AM
>
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* RE: Our new silverlight site
>
>
>
> I don’t find that sad. Average users should not have to think about whether
> something is Flash or Silverlight. We think the technology is cool, users
> should just think the site is cool. Hopefully users today don’t say ‘nice
> PHP web site’? J
>
>
>
> Shane
>
>
>
> *Shane Morris*  |  User Experience Evangelist  |  Microsoft Australia  |
> shan...@microsoft.com  |  blogs.msdn.com/shanemo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Winston Pang
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 December 2009 7:51 AM
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* Re: Re: Our new silverlight site
>
>
>
> One thing I find sad about all this stuff is, the average user is going to
> say "Nice Flash website". :(
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Miguel Madero  wrote:
>
> I just noticed that you integrated 3 videos with the deep zoom. It looks
> cool.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Miguel Madero 
> wrote:
>
> Wow that's nice :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM,  wrote:
>
>  The company history page is another interesting use of deep zoom :
> http://www.michaelhill.com.au/#CompanyHistory
>
>
> Click the pause button to skip the video
>
>
> On 01/12/2009 10:45am, Miguel Madero  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for sharing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you mean by Application lifetime objects / client side services?
> >
> >
> > It's nice the way you use deepzoom. Altough I was thinking I could zoom
> in out of the products and then I noticed that it was mainly to "preload".
> That's nice.
> >
> >
> > It would be good to know a bit more on some topics, for example security,
> how you used deep zoom, SEO and analytics.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree with most of the comments around navigation, slot transitions and
> movies. It's some valuable feedback.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Miguel.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Tatham Oddie tat...@oddie.com.au>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sounds like some really cool technical work you’ve done!
> >
> >
> >
> > From an interaction perspective, Nick’s response correlates with Twitter
> as well:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Tatham Oddie
> >
> > au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 422 7068, skype: tathamoddie,
> landline: +61 2 8011 3982, fax: +61 2 9475 5172
> >
> >
> >
> > my business: tixi.com.au – Ticketing without the dramas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
> >
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2009 10:55 AM
> > To: ozSilverlight
> > Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ross
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Since as you said this was a bit of a “cheap marketing email” I’m going
> to retaliate by providing what I hope will be constructive criticism:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -  I hate menus that disappear! The way the menus disappear
> completely makes the site hard to use.  I flipped windows

Re: Re: Our new silverlight site

[Winston Pang]

I find it sad in respect that the fun and good work of Silverlight gets
called flash :p which is inferior!! haha

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 8:48 AM, Shane Morris  wrote:

>  I don’t find that sad. Average users should not have to think about
> whether something is Flash or Silverlight. We think the technology is cool,
> users should just think the site is cool. Hopefully users today don’t say
> ‘nice PHP web site’? J
>
>
>
> Shane
>
>
>
> *Shane Morris*  |  User Experience Evangelist  |  Microsoft Australia  |
> shan...@microsoft.com  |  blogs.msdn.com/shanemo
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Winston Pang
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 2 December 2009 7:51 AM
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* Re: Re: Our new silverlight site
>
>
>
> One thing I find sad about all this stuff is, the average user is going to
> say "Nice Flash website". :(
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Miguel Madero  wrote:
>
> I just noticed that you integrated 3 videos with the deep zoom. It looks
> cool.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Miguel Madero 
> wrote:
>
> Wow that's nice :)
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM,  wrote:
>
>  The company history page is another interesting use of deep zoom :
> http://www.michaelhill.com.au/#CompanyHistory
>
>
> Click the pause button to skip the video
>
>
> On 01/12/2009 10:45am, Miguel Madero  wrote:
>
> > Thanks for sharing.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > What do you mean by Application lifetime objects / client side services?
> >
> >
> > It's nice the way you use deepzoom. Altough I was thinking I could zoom
> in out of the products and then I noticed that it was mainly to "preload".
> That's nice.
> >
> >
> > It would be good to know a bit more on some topics, for example security,
> how you used deep zoom, SEO and analytics.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > I agree with most of the comments around navigation, slot transitions and
> movies. It's some valuable feedback.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Miguel.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Tatham Oddie tat...@oddie.com.au>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Sounds like some really cool technical work you’ve done!
> >
> >
> >
> > From an interaction perspective, Nick’s response correlates with Twitter
> as well:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Tatham Oddie
> >
> > au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 422 7068, skype: tathamoddie,
> landline: +61 2 8011 3982, fax: +61 2 9475 5172
> >
> >
> >
> > my business: tixi.com.au – Ticketing without the dramas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
> >
> >
> > Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2009 10:55 AM
> > To: ozSilverlight
> > Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Ross
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Since as you said this was a bit of a “cheap marketing email” I’m going
> to retaliate by providing what I hope will be constructive criticism:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -  I hate menus that disappear! The way the menus disappear
> completely makes the site hard to use.  I flipped windows whilst the site
> was loading (sorry short attention span) and when I came back the menus had
> already gone – took me a while to find them.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -  The site’s infuriatingly slow – all the ui transitions are too
> slow for my liking.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -  There are some positioning issues whereby the close icon is
> half cut off by the edge of the screen
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -  When you go into looking at one of the products (
> http://www.michaelhill.com/#ProductList?ProductMenuItemId=8&ProductMenuSubItemId=&ParentScreenId=3)
> it’s then

Re: Re: Our new silverlight site

[Winston Pang]

One thing I find sad about all this stuff is, the average user is going to
say "Nice Flash website". :(

On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 1:10 AM, Miguel Madero  wrote:

> I just noticed that you integrated 3 videos with the deep zoom. It looks
> cool.
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 12:59 AM, Miguel Madero wrote:
>
>> Wow that's nice :)
>>
>>
>>
>>   On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 7:30 PM,  wrote:
>>
>>>  The company history page is another interesting use of deep zoom :
>>> http://www.michaelhill.com.au/#CompanyHistory
>>>
>>> Click the pause button to skip the video
>>>
>>>
>>> On 01/12/2009 10:45am, Miguel Madero  wrote:
>>>  > Thanks for sharing.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > What do you mean by Application lifetime objects / client side
>>> services?
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > It's nice the way you use deepzoom. Altough I was thinking I could zoom
>>> in out of the products and then I noticed that it was mainly to "preload".
>>> That's nice.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > It would be good to know a bit more on some topics, for example
>>> security, how you used deep zoom, SEO and analytics.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I agree with most of the comments around navigation, slot transitions
>>> and movies. It's some valuable feedback.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Miguel.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Tue, Dec 1, 2009 at 11:00 AM, Tatham Oddie tat...@oddie.com.au>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sounds like some really cool technical work you’ve done!
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From an interaction perspective, Nick’s response correlates with
>>> Twitter as well:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Tatham Oddie
>>> >
>>> > au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 422 7068, skype: tathamoddie,
>>> landline: +61 2 8011 3982, fax: +61 2 9475 5172
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > my business: tixi.com.au – Ticketing without the dramas
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
>>> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Nick Randolph
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2009 10:55 AM
>>> > To: ozSilverlight
>>> > Subject: RE: Our new silverlight site
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Ross
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Since as you said this was a bit of a “cheap marketing email” I’m going
>>> to retaliate by providing what I hope will be constructive criticism:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -  I hate menus that disappear! The way the menus disappear
>>> completely makes the site hard to use.  I flipped windows whilst the site
>>> was loading (sorry short attention span) and when I came back the menus had
>>> already gone – took me a while to find them.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -  The site’s infuriatingly slow – all the ui transitions are
>>> too slow for my liking.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -  There are some positioning issues whereby the close icon is
>>> half cut off by the edge of the screen
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > -  When you go into looking at one of the products (
>>> http://www.michaelhill.com/#ProductList?ProductMenuItemId=8&ProductMenuSubItemId=&ParentScreenId=3)
>>> it’s then not clear where to go from there.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > General feedback – visually it’s quite pleasing. Navigation leaves
>>> quite a bit to be desired.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Nick Randolph | Built To Roam | Microsoft MVP - Device Application
>>> Development | +61 412 413 425
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The information contained in this email is confidential. If you are not
>>> the intended recipient, you may not disclose or use the information in this
>>> email in any way. Built To Roam does not guarantee the integrity of any
>>> emails or attached files. The views or opinions expressed are the author's
>>> own and may not reflect the views or opinions of Built To Roam.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
>>> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Ross McKinnon
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sent: Tuesday, 1 December 2009 9:51 AM
>>> > To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com
>>> > Subject: Our new silverlight site
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hi all, as you guys aren’t exactly our target market, this can’t be
>>> considered a cheap marketing email to promote our new website, but more a
>>> demonstration of how silverlight can be utilized to create a global retail
>>> branding site.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On Monday, we released our new website which is written completely in
>>> silverlight. If you get a chance to look at the site (
>>> www.michaelhill.com) it has a number of interesting technical features
>>> that I would like to

Re: Silverlight 4.0 beta

[Winston Pang]

I'm definitely feeling overwhelmed with the continuous roll outs, it's like
you need to live and breathe it everyday to be really up to date with it =\

On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 8:46 AM, Philip Beadle wrote:

>  I am a book, Mahesh and I have to now update our SL3 book to SL4 ready
> for release in March when SL 4 gets the drop. J
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> *Philip Beadle
> *Readify | Principal Consultant
>
> Suite 408 Life.Lab Building | 198 Harbour Esplanade | Docklands | VIC 3008
> | Australia
>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
> *From:* ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:
> ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] *On Behalf Of *Craig Dunn
> *Sent:* Monday, 23 November 2009 5:28 PM
> *To:* ozSilverlight
> *Subject:* Re: Silverlight 4.0 beta
>
>
>
> >>I can't help but feel overwealmed with their release cycles. :)
>
> Imagine if you were a book author! SL4 could be out before these SL3 books
> reach the shelves...
>
> http://twitpic.com/q21be
>
> cd
>
> On Mon, Nov 23, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Stephen Price 
> wrote:
>
> Is anyone playing with the Silverlight 4.0 beta?
>
> How come everyone here is so quiet about it? I'm on semi holidays in
> Canberra and missed the announcement. Thought I would have seen some
> discussion on it here tho.
>
>
>
> Shame on you. :p
>
>
>
> In particular, this new feature has caught my eye... "The .NET Common
> Runtime (CLR) now enables the same compiled code to be run on the desktop
> and Silverlight without change."
>
>
>
> If I read that correctly then I should be able to do normal unit testing
> (ie using normal test runners such as Resharper, nUnit, TestDriven.net etc).
> Can anyone confirm that?
>
>
>
> Some pretty cool new features. I can't help but feel overwealmed with their
> release cycles. :)
>
>
>
> cheers,
>
> Stephen
>
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Re: Silverlight developer position in Sydney

[Winston Pang]

Which group is that posted in?

On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 10:51 AM, Shane Morris wrote:

>
> http://www.linkedin.com/groupAnswers?viewQuestionAndAnswers=&discussionID=8301808&gid=65145&trk=EML_anet_qa_ttle-d7hOon0JumNFomgJt7dBpSBA
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