RE: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued!
I'm so frustrated that I haven't been mentioned at all on this topic! I have a html renderer for silverlight that allows you to write one site in html, and have that site rendered in Silverlight if they have the plug-in. The CSS is not converted, instead the id and class values are used as the keys to resource dictionaries that are loaded in silverlight. This makes it completely SEO friendly, this also makes the content reuse 100% and the styling (that can be better in silverlight) is done in silverlight! The process is provisionally patented and I'll looking for ANYONE interested in licensing the patent so that we can build this into a full blown world-wide solution for html/silverlight compatability!. Many of you on this list do know about this, Please reply with your pro's cons on this converter. Thanks, Jason Schluter > Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2010 16:00:29 +1000 > Subject: Re: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued! > From: scott.bar...@gmail.com > To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > > The site itself is just a science project made by some really smart > folks in MSR :) ..typically MSR folks just dump that kind of thing > online as a discussion point for the masses (ie kind of a techfest > show and tell). I wouldn't rate the merits of Silverlight in this > instance just yet until it goes through the usual Vendor outsource (ie > dump into some marketing agencies hands and they'll in turn come back > with a site - eg Zaaz.com does a lot of work for Microsoft in this > space etc). > > Until it gets to that point atm it's just a public show and tell / > science project. > > As for Silverlight + Search Engines. It's possible to have a site SOE > compliant with a combination of deep linking and html/css. You just > need to approach your site carefully and establish page gating > smoothly for one and secondly ensure your content is within context to > the bookmarked URI's. > > Deep Linking was always one of these 800lbs gorilla that really could > of been tackled and it shouldn't rely on Google etc to index your > XAML/XAP as that kind of breaks the Search Engine(s) model anyway. > Instead there should be a way forward in terms of creating screen by > screen UI's that you can activate deep linking on (kind of like "take > snapshot here") and move forward. .NET RIA Services hinted at this but > its still coming up short on this approach and it really needs some > carefully planned out features from end to end to enable this so that > developers can tap into some basic API's and still have best of both > worlds - rich engaging experiences as well as SEO compliant engaging > experiences. > > Adobe Flash + Google partnered up here to try this via the Search > Engine and automation route, but it's kind of not worked given in > order for it to be effective via this route Google would have to > explain in more finite detail how it indexes .SWF files online, which > is bad as the moment this occurs all the SEO car salesmen out there > would quickly game the algorithiums and we'd be back to Circa 2002 - > Yahoo! days where highest bidder gets highest ranking. > > Technically though its all possible today even with the AS-IS > Silverlight runtime to make a site SEO compatible but you just need > the maturity of the developer team(s) in question to understand both > sides of the isle well enough. > > Regards, > > Scott Barnes > > http://www.riagenic.com > > > > On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tony Wright wrote: > > I guess I’d be asking what the purpose of the site is from project emporia’s > > point of view. If they are trying to attract traffic, they will have a lot > > of difficulty if they don’t solve the problem that search engines refuse to > > look at content inside Silverlight apps – it’s why no-one chooses > > Silverlight for blog engines! > > > > > > > > Because of this one issue, Silverlight is only good for: > > > > Line Of Business apps > > > > Small on page applets > > > > Video streaming > > > > > > > > T. > > > > > > > > From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com > > [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Darren Neimke > > Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2010 2:13 PM > > To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > > Subject: RE: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued! > > > > > > > > Just to extend yesterday's discussion about SL vs. X vs. Y... what do people > > on this list think about this site: > > > > http://www.projectemporia.com/ > > > > Use of Silverlight for a site like that? Good? Bad? Meh? > > >
Re: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued!
The site itself is just a science project made by some really smart folks in MSR :) ..typically MSR folks just dump that kind of thing online as a discussion point for the masses (ie kind of a techfest show and tell). I wouldn't rate the merits of Silverlight in this instance just yet until it goes through the usual Vendor outsource (ie dump into some marketing agencies hands and they'll in turn come back with a site - eg Zaaz.com does a lot of work for Microsoft in this space etc). Until it gets to that point atm it's just a public show and tell / science project. As for Silverlight + Search Engines. It's possible to have a site SOE compliant with a combination of deep linking and html/css. You just need to approach your site carefully and establish page gating smoothly for one and secondly ensure your content is within context to the bookmarked URI's. Deep Linking was always one of these 800lbs gorilla that really could of been tackled and it shouldn't rely on Google etc to index your XAML/XAP as that kind of breaks the Search Engine(s) model anyway. Instead there should be a way forward in terms of creating screen by screen UI's that you can activate deep linking on (kind of like "take snapshot here") and move forward. .NET RIA Services hinted at this but its still coming up short on this approach and it really needs some carefully planned out features from end to end to enable this so that developers can tap into some basic API's and still have best of both worlds - rich engaging experiences as well as SEO compliant engaging experiences. Adobe Flash + Google partnered up here to try this via the Search Engine and automation route, but it's kind of not worked given in order for it to be effective via this route Google would have to explain in more finite detail how it indexes .SWF files online, which is bad as the moment this occurs all the SEO car salesmen out there would quickly game the algorithiums and we'd be back to Circa 2002 - Yahoo! days where highest bidder gets highest ranking. Technically though its all possible today even with the AS-IS Silverlight runtime to make a site SEO compatible but you just need the maturity of the developer team(s) in question to understand both sides of the isle well enough. Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 2:16 PM, Tony Wright wrote: > I guess I’d be asking what the purpose of the site is from project emporia’s > point of view. If they are trying to attract traffic, they will have a lot > of difficulty if they don’t solve the problem that search engines refuse to > look at content inside Silverlight apps – it’s why no-one chooses > Silverlight for blog engines! > > > > Because of this one issue, Silverlight is only good for: > > Line Of Business apps > > Small on page applets > > Video streaming > > > > T. > > > > From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com > [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Darren Neimke > Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2010 2:13 PM > To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > Subject: RE: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued! > > > > Just to extend yesterday's discussion about SL vs. X vs. Y... what do people > on this list think about this site: > > http://www.projectemporia.com/ > > Use of Silverlight for a site like that? Good? Bad? Meh? > > Note that the site itself was created by teams which are internal to > Microsoft: > > >> "Project Emporia is an Alpha release from FUSE Labs and Microsoft > Research" > > > > Darren Neimke > darren.nei...@live.com > > > > > > > > Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:01:58 +1000 > Subject: Re: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued! > From: winstonp...@gmail.com > To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > > Good points... but I wonder, what's going to happen to smooth streaming > actually, it sounds a lot like the HTTP Live Streaming standard that Apple > made, which got people talking the other week when they had the ipod keynote > live stream. > > > On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Jose Fajardo > wrote: > > Eg. Let's say a lot of the really cool features of SL make it into MS's > HTML5 stack... > 1. Smooth Streaming > > ___ > ozsilverlight mailing list > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > ___ ozsilverlight mailing list > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > ___ > ozsilverlight mailing list > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued!
I guess I'd be asking what the purpose of the site is from project emporia's point of view. If they are trying to attract traffic, they will have a lot of difficulty if they don't solve the problem that search engines refuse to look at content inside Silverlight apps - it's why no-one chooses Silverlight for blog engines! Because of this one issue, Silverlight is only good for: Line Of Business apps Small on page applets Video streaming T. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of Darren Neimke Sent: Thursday, 16 September 2010 2:13 PM To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Subject: RE: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued! Just to extend yesterday's discussion about SL vs. X vs. Y... what do people on this list think about this site: http://www.projectemporia.com/ Use of Silverlight for a site like that? Good? Bad? Meh? Note that the site itself was created by teams which are internal to Microsoft: >> "Project Emporia is an Alpha release from FUSE Labs and Microsoft Research" Darren Neimke darren.nei...@live.com _ Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:01:58 +1000 Subject: Re: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued! From: winstonp...@gmail.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Good points... but I wonder, what's going to happen to smooth streaming actually, it sounds a lot like the HTTP Live Streaming standard that Apple made, which got people talking the other week when they had the ipod keynote live stream. On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Jose Fajardo wrote: Eg. Let's say a lot of the really cool features of SL make it into MS's HTML5 stack... 1. Smooth Streaming ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
RE: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued!
Just to extend yesterday's discussion about SL vs. X vs. Y... what do people on this list think about this site: http://www.projectemporia.com/ Use of Silverlight for a site like that? Good? Bad? Meh? Note that the site itself was created by teams which are internal to Microsoft: >> "Project Emporia is an Alpha release from FUSE Labs and Microsoft Research" Darren neimkedarren.nei...@live.com Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 14:01:58 +1000 Subject: Re: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued! From: winstonp...@gmail.com To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Good points... but I wonder, what's going to happen to smooth streaming actually, it sounds a lot like the HTTP Live Streaming standard that Apple made, which got people talking the other week when they had the ipod keynote live stream. On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Jose Fajardo wrote: Eg. Let's say a lot of the really cool features of SL make it into MS's HTML5 stack... 1. Smooth Streaming ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
Re: HTML5 vs WPF/SL - continued!
Good points... but I wonder, what's going to happen to smooth streaming actually, it sounds a lot like the HTTP Live Streaming standard that Apple made, which got people talking the other week when they had the ipod keynote live stream. On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:56 PM, Jose Fajardo < jose.faja...@cynergysystems.com> wrote: > > Eg. Let's say a lot of the really cool features of SL make it into MS's > HTML5 stack... > 1. Smooth Streaming > > ___ > ozsilverlight mailing list > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > ___ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
