re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
Hi Folks, I have to say that styleTap is excellent from a speed perspective: http://tamsppc.tamoggemon.com/2008/10/23/the-big-styletap-review-part-4-styletap-performance/ My tests are over a year old now, but I am pretty sure that the program already supported SD cards back then. The only thing it IMHO cant do is let you access the RAM drive of the PPC... All the best Tam Hanna P.S. Sorry for ad below mail - am on a vacation in Hungary and cant use Treo... -- Sensationsangebot verlängert: GMX FreeDSL - Telefonanschluss + DSL für nur 16,37 Euro/mtl.!* http://dsl.gmx.de/?ac=OM.AD.PD003K1308T4569a -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
Philip Sheard wrote: [...] I would not recommend StyleTap, but that is just my personal opinion. What is that based on? I don't use a WM device myself, but I tested my app under StyleTap and it works just fine. And when I noticed a problem with beaming (with IR library detection), StyleTap promptly fixed it and documented the change in the next release. Unless you want to port your code yourself, StyleTap sounds like the way to go. Not just for WM PDAs, but a few others. If Apple didn't keep such a tight control over what apps can run on their devices, my app would even run on an iPhone and perhaps iPod Touch! (StyleTap has a version for the iPhone.) Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
Thanks for the correction. My opinion is probably outdated, and prejudiced by the fact that I used to be a Microsoft Gold Certified Partner. But when I tried StyleTap, it did not support conduits, or SD cards. My IR printing routine crashed, which I admit that was an extreme test. But my biggest reservation would be over performance. My app can handle databases with over 30,000 records, quite comfortably. I would be gobsmacked if it could do that under StyleTap. Joyeux Noel, BTW. -Original Message- From: Luc Le Blanc [mailto:llebl...@cam.org] Sent: 25 December 2008 12:15 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? Philip Sheard wrote: [...] I would not recommend StyleTap, but that is just my personal opinion. What is that based on? I don't use a WM device myself, but I tested my app under StyleTap and it works just fine. And when I noticed a problem with beaming (with IR library detection), StyleTap promptly fixed it and documented the change in the next release. Unless you want to port your code yourself, StyleTap sounds like the way to go. Not just for WM PDAs, but a few others. If Apple didn't keep such a tight control over what apps can run on their devices, my app would even run on an iPhone and perhaps iPod Touch! (StyleTap has a version for the iPhone.) Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
Philip Sheard wrote: Thanks for the correction. My opinion is probably outdated, and prejudiced by the fact that I used to be a Microsoft Gold Certified Partner. But when I tried StyleTap, it did not support conduits, or SD cards. Dunno about SD cards, but no, it still doesn't support conduits. This the main drawback. When I'm back at the office, I'll borrow a colleague's iPaq to run some more tests on SD cards, performance and Bluetooth. Regrefully, if my users are going to have to switch over to a PPC, might as well know exactly what to expect. I too handle large DBs (of cave survey data). Note that the PalmOS app knows it's running under StyleTap and can adjust accordingly if need be. Joyeux Noel à vous aussi :) Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
Seems Palm also got a life line from Elevation Partners... http://www.gearlog.com/2008/12/palm_picks_up_100_million.php At least they may have the money to help out. And I guess some lucky folks are prevy after all... http://www.gearlog.com/2008/12/palm_confirms_nova_os_in_the_w.php Eric On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Philip Sheard shea...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: As opposed to ARMazing? I daresay you are right, but let us wait and see. Given the marketing expertise that Palm demonstrated once again with the Foleo, this could turn out to be the Cobalt that never was. Let us all hope, even pray. For a few days, anyway. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 December 2008 21:38 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? linuxy-craptastic Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Eric Bresie ebre...@gmail.com wrote: As long as we are talking about Palm vision... Is anyone prevy to what the new platform programming environment will be like for what is expected at CES on Jan 8? (see http://blog.palm.com/palm/2008/12/vote-for-your-favorite-cartoon.html ) Eric -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Eric Bresie ebre...@gmail.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
I agree, Palm has to produce. Fingers crossed. -Original Message- From: Eric Bresie [mailto:ebre...@gmail.com] Sent: 23 December 2008 19:59 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? Seems Palm also got a life line from Elevation Partners... http://www.gearlog.com/2008/12/palm_picks_up_100_million.php At least they may have the money to help out. And I guess some lucky folks are prevy after all... http://www.gearlog.com/2008/12/palm_confirms_nova_os_in_the_w.php Eric On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Philip Sheard shea...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: As opposed to ARMazing? I daresay you are right, but let us wait and see. Given the marketing expertise that Palm demonstrated once again with the Foleo, this could turn out to be the Cobalt that never was. Let us all hope, even pray. For a few days, anyway. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 December 2008 21:38 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? linuxy-craptastic Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Eric Bresie ebre...@gmail.com wrote: As long as we are talking about Palm vision... Is anyone prevy to what the new platform programming environment will be like for what is expected at CES on Jan 8? (see http://blog.palm.com/palm/2008/12/vote-for-your-favorite-cartoon.html ) Eric -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Eric Bresie ebre...@gmail.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
My application is used on the venerable Palm TX and uses Bluetooth and Wi-fi connections, which works nicely. I like this PDA and so do my users as it just works and does the job perfectly without the complication of adding a mobile phone into the mix. Inevitably though, users do break things and trying to get hold of new Palm TXs is proving a little tricky, especially in the UK where our supplier tells us it is a problem to get hold of new ones (although I have just checked Amazon.co.uk and they say they still have stock). I know the TX has been around for a while but it seems that Palm are focused on the smartphone side of things leaving pure PDA users out in the cold and so I don't see a replacement coming from them. So I was wondering how other people have dealt with this? One option I am looking at is to get a windows handheld (like the HP iPaq 110/210) and use the StyleTap emulation software. I don't like the idea of adding another layer to something - especially something from MS - but it would appear that this is the only route I am left with, if I still want a PDA with both Bluetooth and Wi-fi that is not a mobile phone aswell. Any thoughts? Regards Edward Jones -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
You should not have any problems buying new T|Xs from Amazon UK, at least for the time being. Apparently Palm is due to make some sort of announcement early next year. It could either be the next big thing, or another Foleo. I actually liked the Foleo, but it was a marketing disaster. If you are looking for second user devices, I may be able to help you there, depending on the number that you require. I can also carry out repair work, if necessary. I would not recommend StyleTap, but that is just my personal opinion. If you would like to discuss any of this we me direct, you can call me on 07530 574120. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
Thanks for the reply. Palm have indeed made an announcement, but it is not the one I wanted: Colligan: No New Palm Handhelds as reported on Palm InfoCenter - http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9654/colligan-no-new-palm-handhelds/ Thanks anyway for your response, I will bear you in mind for second hand devices and repairs! Edward Philip Sheard wrote: You should not have any problems buying new T|Xs from Amazon UK, at least for the time being. Apparently Palm is due to make some sort of announcement early next year. It could either be the next big thing, or another Foleo. I actually liked the Foleo, but it was a marketing disaster. If you are looking for second user devices, I may be able to help you there, depending on the number that you require. I can also carry out repair work, if necessary. I would not recommend StyleTap, but that is just my personal opinion. If you would like to discuss any of this we me direct, you can call me on 07530 574120. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
You are probably right about traditional handhelds as opposed to smartphones. There is very little movement in that direction. On the WM front, you only have the iPAQ 114 and 214, both of which are regarded as oddities. The only other new handhelds around are the iPod Touch (which is an iPhone without the phone), and the Nokia n770/n800/n810 (which will probably morph into phones). The only applications that are keeping handhelds going at all are satellite navigation and internet browsing. Although there are a lot of smartphones out there, they are being used very much as phones, and not as PDAs. People are downloading MP3s, ringtones, games and other small apps OTA. They are not syncing with PCs, or installing large apps such as yours and mine. People have moved on, and that window of opportunity has been missed. Most of my users now use Treos, and I have learnt to embrace this. It helps that I use a Treo myself. But the future for applications such as ours is bleak. -Original Message- From: Edward Jones [mailto:edward.jo...@nvs-ltd.co.uk] Sent: 22 December 2008 14:10 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? Thanks for the reply. Palm have indeed made an announcement, but it is not the one I wanted: Colligan: No New Palm Handhelds as reported on Palm InfoCenter - http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9654/colligan-no-new-palm-handhelds/ Thanks anyway for your response, I will bear you in mind for second hand devices and repairs! Edward Philip Sheard wrote: You should not have any problems buying new T|Xs from Amazon UK, at least for the time being. Apparently Palm is due to make some sort of announcement early next year. It could either be the next big thing, or another Foleo. I actually liked the Foleo, but it was a marketing disaster. If you are looking for second user devices, I may be able to help you there, depending on the number that you require. I can also carry out repair work, if necessary. I would not recommend StyleTap, but that is just my personal opinion. If you would like to discuss any of this we me direct, you can call me on 07530 574120. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
I have to agree. Historically, PDA's were useful as mobile data stores that could synchronize with a master database. Now that so many wireless devices have the ability to connect directly to the master db, there's far less need for the ability to store and sync. The other thing that made Palm devices and the Palm OS attractive was the minimalist Zen of Palm approach -- the application didn't try to be everything a desktop was because the technology couldn't support it. It's hard to compete with things like iPhones and netbook style PC's these days. More's the pity. But then I'm beginning to see the Luddite point-of-view more clearly of late. dga Philip Sheard wrote: You are probably right about traditional handhelds as opposed to smartphones. There is very little movement in that direction. On the WM front, you only have the iPAQ 114 and 214, both of which are regarded as oddities. The only other new handhelds around are the iPod Touch (which is an iPhone without the phone), and the Nokia n770/n800/n810 (which will probably morph into phones). The only applications that are keeping handhelds going at all are satellite navigation and internet browsing. Although there are a lot of smartphones out there, they are being used very much as phones, and not as PDAs. People are downloading MP3s, ringtones, games and other small apps OTA. They are not syncing with PCs, or installing large apps such as yours and mine. People have moved on, and that window of opportunity has been missed. Most of my users now use Treos, and I have learnt to embrace this. It helps that I use a Treo myself. But the future for applications such as ours is bleak. -Original Message- From: Edward Jones [mailto:edward.jo...@nvs-ltd.co.uk] Sent: 22 December 2008 14:10 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? Thanks for the reply. Palm have indeed made an announcement, but it is not the one I wanted: Colligan: No New Palm Handhelds as reported on Palm InfoCenter - http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9654/colligan-no-new-palm-handhelds/ Thanks anyway for your response, I will bear you in mind for second hand devices and repairs! Edward Philip Sheard wrote: You should not have any problems buying new T|Xs from Amazon UK, at least for the time being. Apparently Palm is due to make some sort of announcement early next year. It could either be the next big thing, or another Foleo. I actually liked the Foleo, but it was a marketing disaster. If you are looking for second user devices, I may be able to help you there, depending on the number that you require. I can also carry out repair work, if necessary. I would not recommend StyleTap, but that is just my personal opinion. If you would like to discuss any of this we me direct, you can call me on 07530 574120. -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
Palm offered a vision, a possibility of a digital lifestyle, that never became a reality. Those of us who remain on this forum bought in to that dream, but most people never did. The fact is that most people approach unfamiliar technology as they would an unexploded bomb. People go for internet appliances because they are familiar with the concept, while satellite navigation appeals to our love of the motor car. But apart from those examples, the PDA was an utter failure. -Original Message- From: Don Albertson [mailto:don.albert...@verizon.net] Sent: 22 December 2008 18:35 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? I have to agree. Historically, PDA's were useful as mobile data stores that could synchronize with a master database. Now that so many wireless devices have the ability to connect directly to the master db, there's far less need for the ability to store and sync. The other thing that made Palm devices and the Palm OS attractive was the minimalist Zen of Palm approach -- the application didn't try to be everything a desktop was because the technology couldn't support it. It's hard to compete with things like iPhones and netbook style PC's these days. More's the pity. But then I'm beginning to see the Luddite point-of-view more clearly of late. dga Philip Sheard wrote: You are probably right about traditional handhelds as opposed to smartphones. There is very little movement in that direction. On the WM front, you only have the iPAQ 114 and 214, both of which are regarded as oddities. The only other new handhelds around are the iPod Touch (which is an iPhone without the phone), and the Nokia n770/n800/n810 (which will probably morph into phones). The only applications that are keeping handhelds going at all are satellite navigation and internet browsing. Although there are a lot of smartphones out there, they are being used very much as phones, and not as PDAs. People are downloading MP3s, ringtones, games and other small apps OTA. They are not syncing with PCs, or installing large apps such as yours and mine. People have moved on, and that window of opportunity has been missed. Most of my users now use Treos, and I have learnt to embrace this. It helps that I use a Treo myself. But the future for applications such as ours is bleak. -Original Message- From: Edward Jones [mailto:edward.jo...@nvs-ltd.co.uk] Sent: 22 December 2008 14:10 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? Thanks for the reply. Palm have indeed made an announcement, but it is not the one I wanted: Colligan: No New Palm Handhelds as reported on Palm InfoCenter - http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9654/colligan-no-new-palm-handhelds/ Thanks anyway for your response, I will bear you in mind for second hand devices and repairs! Edward Philip Sheard wrote: You should not have any problems buying new T|Xs from Amazon UK, at least for the time being. Apparently Palm is due to make some sort of announcement early next year. It could either be the next big thing, or another Foleo. I actually liked the Foleo, but it was a marketing disaster. If you are looking for second user devices, I may be able to help you there, depending on the number that you require. I can also carry out repair work, if necessary. I would not recommend StyleTap, but that is just my personal opinion. If you would like to discuss any of this we me direct, you can call me on 07530 574120. -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
Well, at least you can take solace in the fact that it was a fun ride :) Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Philip Sheard shea...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Palm offered a vision, a possibility of a digital lifestyle, that never became a reality. Those of us who remain on this forum bought in to that dream, but most people never did. The fact is that most people approach unfamiliar technology as they would an unexploded bomb. People go for internet appliances because they are familiar with the concept, while satellite navigation appeals to our love of the motor car. But apart from those examples, the PDA was an utter failure. -Original Message- From: Don Albertson [mailto:don.albert...@verizon.net] Sent: 22 December 2008 18:35 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? I have to agree. Historically, PDA's were useful as mobile data stores that could synchronize with a master database. Now that so many wireless devices have the ability to connect directly to the master db, there's far less need for the ability to store and sync. The other thing that made Palm devices and the Palm OS attractive was the minimalist Zen of Palm approach -- the application didn't try to be everything a desktop was because the technology couldn't support it. It's hard to compete with things like iPhones and netbook style PC's these days. More's the pity. But then I'm beginning to see the Luddite point-of-view more clearly of late. dga Philip Sheard wrote: You are probably right about traditional handhelds as opposed to smartphones. There is very little movement in that direction. On the WM front, you only have the iPAQ 114 and 214, both of which are regarded as oddities. The only other new handhelds around are the iPod Touch (which is an iPhone without the phone), and the Nokia n770/n800/n810 (which will probably morph into phones). The only applications that are keeping handhelds going at all are satellite navigation and internet browsing. Although there are a lot of smartphones out there, they are being used very much as phones, and not as PDAs. People are downloading MP3s, ringtones, games and other small apps OTA. They are not syncing with PCs, or installing large apps such as yours and mine. People have moved on, and that window of opportunity has been missed. Most of my users now use Treos, and I have learnt to embrace this. It helps that I use a Treo myself. But the future for applications such as ours is bleak. -Original Message- From: Edward Jones [mailto:edward.jo...@nvs-ltd.co.uk] Sent: 22 December 2008 14:10 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? Thanks for the reply. Palm have indeed made an announcement, but it is not the one I wanted: Colligan: No New Palm Handhelds as reported on Palm InfoCenter - http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9654/colligan-no-new-palm-handhelds/ Thanks anyway for your response, I will bear you in mind for second hand devices and repairs! Edward Philip Sheard wrote: You should not have any problems buying new T|Xs from Amazon UK, at least for the time being. Apparently Palm is due to make some sort of announcement early next year. It could either be the next big thing, or another Foleo. I actually liked the Foleo, but it was a marketing disaster. If you are looking for second user devices, I may be able to help you there, depending on the number that you require. I can also carry out repair work, if necessary. I would not recommend StyleTap, but that is just my personal opinion. If you would like to discuss any of this we me direct, you can call me on 07530 574120. -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
And I can continue to produce applications for my Centro -- at least until my current wireless supplier continues to support it. dga Dmitry Grinberg wrote: Well, at least you can take solace in the fact that it was a fun ride :) Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Philip Sheard shea...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Palm offered a vision, a possibility of a digital lifestyle, that never became a reality. Those of us who remain on this forum bought in to that dream, but most people never did. The fact is that most people approach unfamiliar technology as they would an unexploded bomb. People go for internet appliances because they are familiar with the concept, while satellite navigation appeals to our love of the motor car. But apart from those examples, the PDA was an utter failure. -Original Message- From: Don Albertson [mailto:don.albert...@verizon.net] Sent: 22 December 2008 18:35 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? I have to agree. Historically, PDA's were useful as mobile data stores that could synchronize with a master database. Now that so many wireless devices have the ability to connect directly to the master db, there's far less need for the ability to store and sync. The other thing that made Palm devices and the Palm OS attractive was the minimalist Zen of Palm approach -- the application didn't try to be everything a desktop was because the technology couldn't support it. It's hard to compete with things like iPhones and netbook style PC's these days. More's the pity. But then I'm beginning to see the Luddite point-of-view more clearly of late. dga Philip Sheard wrote: You are probably right about traditional handhelds as opposed to smartphones. There is very little movement in that direction. On the WM front, you only have the iPAQ 114 and 214, both of which are regarded as oddities. The only other new handhelds around are the iPod Touch (which is an iPhone without the phone), and the Nokia n770/n800/n810 (which will probably morph into phones). The only applications that are keeping handhelds going at all are satellite navigation and internet browsing. Although there are a lot of smartphones out there, they are being used very much as phones, and not as PDAs. People are downloading MP3s, ringtones, games and other small apps OTA. They are not syncing with PCs, or installing large apps such as yours and mine. People have moved on, and that window of opportunity has been missed. Most of my users now use Treos, and I have learnt to embrace this. It helps that I use a Treo myself. But the future for applications such as ours is bleak. -Original Message- From: Edward Jones [mailto:edward.jo...@nvs-ltd.co.uk] Sent: 22 December 2008 14:10 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? Thanks for the reply. Palm have indeed made an announcement, but it is not the one I wanted: Colligan: No New Palm Handhelds as reported on Palm InfoCenter - http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9654/colligan-no-new-palm-handhelds/ Thanks anyway for your response, I will bear you in mind for second hand devices and repairs! Edward Philip Sheard wrote: You should not have any problems buying new T|Xs from Amazon UK, at least for the time being. Apparently Palm is due to make some sort of announcement early next year. It could either be the next big thing, or another Foleo. I actually liked the Foleo, but it was a marketing disaster. If you are looking for second user devices, I may be able to help you there, depending on the number that you require. I can also carry out repair work, if necessary. I would not recommend StyleTap, but that is just my personal opinion. If you would like to discuss any of this we me direct, you can call me on 07530 574120. -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
Another factor that I forgot to mention was the unalloyed greed of Handango. PalmGear were complicit in this, and between them they destroyed the developer community. 90% of peanuts might be fun, but 40% of peanuts sticks in the craw. -Original Message- From: Don Albertson [mailto:don.albert...@verizon.net] Sent: 22 December 2008 19:50 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? And I can continue to produce applications for my Centro -- at least until my current wireless supplier continues to support it. dga Dmitry Grinberg wrote: Well, at least you can take solace in the fact that it was a fun ride :) Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 11:14 AM, Philip Sheard shea...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Palm offered a vision, a possibility of a digital lifestyle, that never became a reality. Those of us who remain on this forum bought in to that dream, but most people never did. The fact is that most people approach unfamiliar technology as they would an unexploded bomb. People go for internet appliances because they are familiar with the concept, while satellite navigation appeals to our love of the motor car. But apart from those examples, the PDA was an utter failure. -Original Message- From: Don Albertson [mailto:don.albert...@verizon.net] Sent: 22 December 2008 18:35 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? I have to agree. Historically, PDA's were useful as mobile data stores that could synchronize with a master database. Now that so many wireless devices have the ability to connect directly to the master db, there's far less need for the ability to store and sync. The other thing that made Palm devices and the Palm OS attractive was the minimalist Zen of Palm approach -- the application didn't try to be everything a desktop was because the technology couldn't support it. It's hard to compete with things like iPhones and netbook style PC's these days. More's the pity. But then I'm beginning to see the Luddite point-of-view more clearly of late. dga Philip Sheard wrote: You are probably right about traditional handhelds as opposed to smartphones. There is very little movement in that direction. On the WM front, you only have the iPAQ 114 and 214, both of which are regarded as oddities. The only other new handhelds around are the iPod Touch (which is an iPhone without the phone), and the Nokia n770/n800/n810 (which will probably morph into phones). The only applications that are keeping handhelds going at all are satellite navigation and internet browsing. Although there are a lot of smartphones out there, they are being used very much as phones, and not as PDAs. People are downloading MP3s, ringtones, games and other small apps OTA. They are not syncing with PCs, or installing large apps such as yours and mine. People have moved on, and that window of opportunity has been missed. Most of my users now use Treos, and I have learnt to embrace this. It helps that I use a Treo myself. But the future for applications such as ours is bleak. -Original Message- From: Edward Jones [mailto:edward.jo...@nvs-ltd.co.uk] Sent: 22 December 2008 14:10 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? Thanks for the reply. Palm have indeed made an announcement, but it is not the one I wanted: Colligan: No New Palm Handhelds as reported on Palm InfoCenter - http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9654/colligan-no-new-palm-handhelds/ Thanks anyway for your response, I will bear you in mind for second hand devices and repairs! Edward Philip Sheard wrote: You should not have any problems buying new T|Xs from Amazon UK, at least for the time being. Apparently Palm is due to make some sort of announcement early next year. It could either be the next big thing, or another Foleo. I actually liked the Foleo, but it was a marketing disaster. If you are looking for second user devices, I may be able to help you there, depending on the number that you require. I can also carry out repair work, if necessary. I would not recommend StyleTap, but that is just my personal opinion. If you would like to discuss any of this we me direct, you can call me on 07530 574120. -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone
Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
As long as we are talking about Palm vision... Is anyone prevy to what the new platform programming environment will be like for what is expected at CES on Jan 8? (see http://blog.palm.com/palm/2008/12/vote-for-your-favorite-cartoon.html ) Eric -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
linuxy-craptastic Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Eric Bresie ebre...@gmail.com wrote: As long as we are talking about Palm vision... Is anyone prevy to what the new platform programming environment will be like for what is expected at CES on Jan 8? (see http://blog.palm.com/palm/2008/12/vote-for-your-favorite-cartoon.html ) Eric -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next?
As opposed to ARMazing? I daresay you are right, but let us wait and see. Given the marketing expertise that Palm demonstrated once again with the Foleo, this could turn out to be the Cobalt that never was. Let us all hope, even pray. For a few days, anyway. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 22 December 2008 21:38 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Developing on Palm PDAs - what next? linuxy-craptastic Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Mon, Dec 22, 2008 at 1:32 PM, Eric Bresie ebre...@gmail.com wrote: As long as we are talking about Palm vision... Is anyone prevy to what the new platform programming environment will be like for what is expected at CES on Jan 8? (see http://blog.palm.com/palm/2008/12/vote-for-your-favorite-cartoon.html ) Eric -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
