RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
My 2 cents of wisdom on the digitizers: In my company we replace several dozens of them per day. And if we look at the manufacturing date we find that 90% of defect digitizers date from Q3/2007 till August 2008 (end of production). Just today I saw a device from early 2008 that was RMA-ed in late 2008, got a new digitizer from Palm and now is sent back to us to get its 3rd one! On the other hand we get devices from 2005/2006 that just need a new battery with the digi being still 100% accurate. To me Palm have become more and more negligent on quality management in the last years of Tungsten/Zire production. That had cost them a lot of goodwill in our customer base. Initially our customers viewed Palm PDAs high quality, durable goods (in fact many of them had bought a Palm V, M515 e.a. before and those were still working after 3-5 years). As of today I still see demand for a EUR 150/USD 200 PDA that does not carry the additional cost and functionality overhead of a phone. However the global volume is certainly way too low to justify new development for a listed company like Palm. Hadn't they continuously shot themself in the foot (and they did so on any occasion, HW- and SW-wise) they might still be milking a small but profitable cash-cow. Harry Or you could import replacement digitizers from China, and fit them instead. That is much cheaper than PowerDigi, even for a 480 x 320 display. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 May 2009 18:56 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Or you could install PowerDiGi on them, which will make them align 100% of the time, and is both much cheaper than Janam and cheaper than a new device... Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Of course it depends on the situation. But for someone in the recycling industry, your solution is massively overpriced. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 18 May 2009 04:22 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre hardly, if you include human time to replace digitizer :) Also if the new digitizer has a different resistance it will nto at ALL work without powerdigi Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 2009/5/17 Philip Sheard shea...@tiscali.co.uk: Or you could import replacement digitizers from China, and fit them instead. That is much cheaper than PowerDigi, even for a 480 x 320 display. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 May 2009 18:56 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Or you could install PowerDiGi on them, which will make them align 100% of the time, and is both much cheaper than Janam and cheaper than a new device... Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Baxter bax...@baxcode.com wrote: Aceeca sells the Meazura Palm starting at $399 USD - and it won't break -- Lee Church lchu...@mobitechsystems.com wrote in message news:187...@palm-dev-forum... Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. snip -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Or you could install PowerDiGi on them, which will make them align 100% of the time, and is both much cheaper than Janam and cheaper than a new device... Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Baxter bax...@baxcode.com wrote: Aceeca sells the Meazura Palm starting at $399 USD - and it won't break -- Lee Church lchu...@mobitechsystems.com wrote in message news:187...@palm-dev-forum... Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. snip -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Or you could import replacement digitizers from China, and fit them instead. That is much cheaper than PowerDigi, even for a 480 x 320 display. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 May 2009 18:56 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Or you could install PowerDiGi on them, which will make them align 100% of the time, and is both much cheaper than Janam and cheaper than a new device... Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Baxter bax...@baxcode.com wrote: Aceeca sells the Meazura Palm starting at $399 USD - and it won't break -- Lee Church lchu...@mobitechsystems.com wrote in message news:187...@palm-dev-forum... Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. snip -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Plus Janam have an OS 5.4 device with built-in barcode reader, which also won't break. Roger Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre From: Baxter bax...@baxcode.com Date: Sat, 16 May 2009 08:29:34 -0700 X-Message-Number: 1 Aceeca sells the Meazura Palm starting at $399 USD - and it won't break -- Lee Church lchu...@mobitechsystems.com wrote in message news:187...@palm-dev-forum... Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. snip --- END OF DIGEST -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Roger Stringer Marietta Systems, Inc. (www.rf-tp.com) -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
hardly, if you include human time to replace digitizer :) Also if the new digitizer has a different resistance it will nto at ALL work without powerdigi Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 2009/5/17 Philip Sheard shea...@tiscali.co.uk: Or you could import replacement digitizers from China, and fit them instead. That is much cheaper than PowerDigi, even for a 480 x 320 display. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 17 May 2009 18:56 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Or you could install PowerDiGi on them, which will make them align 100% of the time, and is both much cheaper than Janam and cheaper than a new device... Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Sat, May 16, 2009 at 10:29 AM, Baxter bax...@baxcode.com wrote: Aceeca sells the Meazura Palm starting at $399 USD - and it won't break -- Lee Church lchu...@mobitechsystems.com wrote in message news:187...@palm-dev-forum... Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. snip -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Aceeca sells the Meazura Palm starting at $399 USD - and it won't break -- Lee Church lchu...@mobitechsystems.com wrote in message news:187...@palm-dev-forum... Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. snip -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Lionscribe lionscr...@gmail.com a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... One thing I cannot understand. If Palm has the source code for the OS, the source code for the Windows Simulator, how hard would it be for them to port it to the Pre? Why do they have to outsource it to a 3rd party, and make users buy it? Unless the underlying OS of the Pre is so bad, that they couldn't do it themslves! Lionscribe Palm does not own Palm OS. Access does. -- Regis St-Gelais www.laubrass.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Palm did buy a perpetual license to use and extend what is now called Garnet oS P. Douglas Reeder sent from my Palm OS Treo 650 -Original Message- From: Regis St-Gelais regis.st-gel...@laubrass.com Subj: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:57 am Size: 657 bytes To: Palm Developer Forum palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Lionscribe lionscr...@gmail.com a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... One thing I cannot understand. If Palm has the source code for the OS, the source code for the Windows Simulator, how hard would it be for them to port it to the Pre? Why do they have to outsource it to a 3rd party, and make users buy it? Unless the underlying OS of the Pre is so bad, that they couldn't do it themslves! Lionscribe Palm does not own Palm OS. Access does. -- Regis St-Gelais www.laubrass.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
extend it; not port it/make an emulator. On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 7:57 AM, reeder...@gmail.com wrote: Palm did buy a perpetual license to use and extend what is now called Garnet oS P. Douglas Reeder sent from my Palm OS Treo 650 -Original Message- From: Regis St-Gelais regis.st-gel...@laubrass.com Subj: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:57 am Size: 657 bytes To: Palm Developer Forum palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Lionscribe lionscr...@gmail.com a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... One thing I cannot understand. If Palm has the source code for the OS, the source code for the Windows Simulator, how hard would it be for them to port it to the Pre? Why do they have to outsource it to a 3rd party, and make users buy it? Unless the underlying OS of the Pre is so bad, that they couldn't do it themslves! Lionscribe Palm does not own Palm OS. Access does. -- Regis St-Gelais www.laubrass.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Lionscribe lionscr...@gmail.com a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... One thing I cannot understand. If Palm has the source code for the OS, the source code for the Windows Simulator, how hard would it be for them to port it to the Pre? Why do they have to outsource it to a 3rd party, and make users buy it? Unless the underlying OS of the Pre is so bad, that they couldn't do it themslves! Lionscribe Palm inc and only Palm cause the death of Palmos. Working on palm emulator would be like admitting they are wrong. They just realize that nobody would wont a new phone without software. An emulator will solve this temporarily. Your email made me recall an old reply of mine that we should all find a way to license palmos and work with it. I still believe that if some real effort was made on a new version of Palmos will retain a worthy market share. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
One thing I cannot understand. If Palm has the source code for the OS, the source code for the Windows Simulator, how hard would it be for them to port it to the Pre? Why do they have to outsource it to a 3rd party, and make users buy it? Unless the underlying OS of the Pre is so bad, that they couldn't do it themslves! Lionscribe -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Or the license of the OS technically forbids it. On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 1:41 PM, Lionscribe lionscr...@gmail.com wrote: One thing I cannot understand. If Palm has the source code for the OS, the source code for the Windows Simulator, how hard would it be for them to port it to the Pre? Why do they have to outsource it to a 3rd party, and make users buy it? Unless the underlying OS of the Pre is so bad, that they couldn't do it themslves! Lionscribe -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Classic update: It can run with a virtual SD card but it does not support Bluetooth... http://motionapps.blogspot.com/2009/04/classic-faq.html Diego Acevedo wrote: Hello, I just watch a video of classic application running on Palm Pre. See link: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9131176intsrc=news_ts_head Click on video. Interesting! Diego, -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Which means they have access to a C compiler for webOS and a way to port windows applications, including dll's to ELF format. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, danny wong toys...@hotmail.com wrote: i think all they did was take the simulator source code and ported. -- Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:39:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre From: christopherstam...@gmail.com To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org wrote: Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... HotSync is not supported, afaik. So no need to wonder about conduits. -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Messenger has tons of new features that make chatting more fun. Click here to learn more. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650730 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
giving the c compiler to motion apps, who never produced a single interesting application (interesting is defined as overstepping conventionally defined boundaries) very disappointing, Palm. Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Which means they have access to a C compiler for webOS and a way to port windows applications, including dll's to ELF format. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, danny wong toys...@hotmail.com wrote: i think all they did was take the simulator source code and ported. Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:39:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre From: christopherstam...@gmail.com To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org wrote: Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... HotSync is not supported, afaik. So no need to wonder about conduits. -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Messenger has tons of new features that make chatting more fun. Click here to learn more. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Good point. They are not the most exciting company in the world, by the look of it. I am not sure that Palm is targeting the right developers anyway. They seem more interested in people who have experience with JavaScript and CSS, rather than people who have track records in mobile systems. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 April 2009 18:37 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre giving the c compiler to motion apps, who never produced a single interesting application (interesting is defined as overstepping conventionally defined boundaries) very disappointing, Palm. Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Which means they have access to a C compiler for webOS and a way to port windows applications, including dll's to ELF format. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, danny wong toys...@hotmail.com wrote: i think all they did was take the simulator source code and ported. Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:39:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre From: christopherstam...@gmail.com To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org wrote: Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... HotSync is not supported, afaik. So no need to wonder about conduits. -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Messenger has tons of new features that make chatting more fun. Click here to learn more. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
At least iPhone lets me program C, and now that everyone is jailbreaking theirs (for the piracy market) there is market for apps sold not through apple store. perhaps a greener pasture :) Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 10:49 AM, Philip Sheard shea...@tiscali.co.uk wrote: Good point. They are not the most exciting company in the world, by the look of it. I am not sure that Palm is targeting the right developers anyway. They seem more interested in people who have experience with JavaScript and CSS, rather than people who have track records in mobile systems. -Original Message- From: Dmitry Grinberg [mailto:dmitr...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 April 2009 18:37 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre giving the c compiler to motion apps, who never produced a single interesting application (interesting is defined as overstepping conventionally defined boundaries) very disappointing, Palm. Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 8:33 AM, Ryan Rix phrkonale...@gmail.com wrote: Which means they have access to a C compiler for webOS and a way to port windows applications, including dll's to ELF format. On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 5:35 PM, danny wong toys...@hotmail.com wrote: i think all they did was take the simulator source code and ported. Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:39:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre From: christopherstam...@gmail.com To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org wrote: Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... HotSync is not supported, afaik. So no need to wonder about conduits. -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Messenger has tons of new features that make chatting more fun. Click here to learn more. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Thanks and best regards, Ryan Rix TamsPalm - The PalmOS Blog (623)-239-1103 -- Grand Central, baby! Jasmine Bowden - Class of 2009, Marc Rasmussen - Class of 2008, Erica Sheffey - Class of 2009, Rest in peace. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Dmitry Grinberg dmitr...@gmail.com wrote: At least iPhone lets me program C, and now that everyone is jailbreaking theirs (for the piracy market) there is market for apps sold not through apple store. perhaps a greener pasture :) I'm a former palm developer user, that has switched to using iPhone OS (not developing yet though). And seriously, as much as I hate to say it, it isn't that bad (I don't like Apple). The SDK is terribly limited, but in OS 3.0 it will get a little better. At any rate, I'd rather start over with iPhone OS than Web OS (JavaScript? You gotta be kidding). If someone like Dmitry would develop for it, that would be so great... ;-) -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
I'm looking for a cheap iphone on ebay. even ones with broken screens go for 400's...WTF Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Christopher Stamper christopherstam...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Dmitry Grinberg dmitr...@gmail.com wrote: At least iPhone lets me program C, and now that everyone is jailbreaking theirs (for the piracy market) there is market for apps sold not through apple store. perhaps a greener pasture :) I'm a former palm developer user, that has switched to using iPhone OS (not developing yet though). And seriously, as much as I hate to say it, it isn't that bad (I don't like Apple). The SDK is terribly limited, but in OS 3.0 it will get a little better. At any rate, I'd rather start over with iPhone OS than Web OS (JavaScript? You gotta be kidding). If someone like Dmitry would develop for it, that would be so great... ;-) -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Consider an iTouch as an alternative. Basically an iPhone without the phone (which makes it an i ?) If you then get into apps that require telephone functions you can justify the extra cost. Jeff Dmitry Grinberg wrote: I'm looking for a cheap iphone on ebay. even ones with broken screens go for 400's...WTF Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Christopher Stamper christopherstam...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Dmitry Grinberg dmitr...@gmail.com wrote: At least iPhone lets me program C, and now that everyone is jailbreaking theirs (for the piracy market) there is market for apps sold not through apple store. perhaps a greener pasture :) I'm a former palm developer user, that has switched to using iPhone OS (not developing yet though). And seriously, as much as I hate to say it, it isn't that bad (I don't like Apple). The SDK is terribly limited, but in OS 3.0 it will get a little better. At any rate, I'd rather start over with iPhone OS than Web OS (JavaScript? You gotta be kidding). If someone like Dmitry would develop for it, that would be so great... ;-) -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
i did play with iTouch, on a jailbroken one, i was able to bring up my SDHC driver, and using some wires attach an SDHC card to the device and read it Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 3:13 PM, Jeff Summers j...@smallsyssoft.com wrote: Consider an iTouch as an alternative. Basically an iPhone without the phone (which makes it an i ?) If you then get into apps that require telephone functions you can justify the extra cost. Jeff Dmitry Grinberg wrote: I'm looking for a cheap iphone on ebay. even ones with broken screens go for 400's...WTF Best Regards, Dmitry Grinberg (847) 226 9295 On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 11:36 AM, Christopher Stamper christopherstam...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 2:24 PM, Dmitry Grinberg dmitr...@gmail.com wrote: At least iPhone lets me program C, and now that everyone is jailbreaking theirs (for the piracy market) there is market for apps sold not through apple store. perhaps a greener pasture :) I'm a former palm developer user, that has switched to using iPhone OS (not developing yet though). And seriously, as much as I hate to say it, it isn't that bad (I don't like Apple). The SDK is terribly limited, but in OS 3.0 it will get a little better. At any rate, I'd rather start over with iPhone OS than Web OS (JavaScript? You gotta be kidding). If someone like Dmitry would develop for it, that would be so great... ;-) -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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Shorin wrote: One thing I'm kinda pissed about is that I heard it has a capacitive touchscreen... which means no stylus. I had never thought of that, and my cave survey program does need a stylus to accurately poke the map, so I checked a friend's iPod. You're right about the stylus, yet we found iPhone (and presumably Pré)-compatible styli online. See http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/cellphone/a31f/ or http://www.oriongadgets.com/2182.html for instance. Luc Le Blanc http://www.speleo.qc.ca/Auriga -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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Regis St-Gelais regis.st-gel...@laubrass.com a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... If I'm right, StyleTap and Classic has to very different approche oups to = two I think that Clasic uses a modified palm rom and that they programmed a layer (simulator or emulator depending on how the processor familly are similar) to execute the rom. You will notice that when Clasic starts, you see an Access Powered logo. Which indicate that they are using the Acces OS. Looks like palm outsourced there Access licence. -- Regis St-Gelais www.laubrass.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... Unless StyleTap has to pay royalties to Palm; do they? Not to my knowledge. If I'm right, StyleTap and Classic has to very different approche. StyleTap emulates the OS itself. It does not use the Palm rom. I think that Clasic uses a modified palm rom and that they programmed a layer (simulator or emulator depending on how the processor familly are similar) to execute the rom. -- Regis St-Gelais www.laubrass.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Whatever the solution is in moving our apps to the new webOS platform is fine. however, it doesn't solve the issues of the PDA platform disappearing from the face of the planet leaving a PDA market without the necessary hardware to run these applications that are more of a realtime data collections than phone conversations. the beauty of the TX and similar PDAs is their pricing structure, once that is gone, then we have the Symbols and the like able to charge an exhorbitant price for PDAs which are used just to collect data and nothing more. so we're stuck with an expensive monthly phone service which is secondary to our real needs... There is a market out for these units, it's just not sexy enough and offcourse it doesn't have the 49.99 to 159.99 monthly service fee tag to go along with it Luis. From: llebl...@cam.org To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:31:26 -0700 Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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The days of the $200 PDA are gone forever. The Palm market lasted longer than most (Windows Mobile manufacturers exited several years ago, and the low-end HP units are now $400 +). If you want just a Palm OS device w/o phone then the Acceda and the Janam units will have to do. I do find your comment that phone service is secondary to our real needs somewhat myopic. None of my customers carry only a PDA and no cell phone. Asked which they would give up first, I would bet the PDA would lose. So let's do some math: option 1 would have been to buy a Tungsten E2 at $200, and get a free phone with a cell contract at $49 per month, and I carry 2 devices. Option 2 would have been (and now is) to pay $99 for a Centro (current market price in my area), plus $49 per month for cell service, and I carry one device. So option 2 costs me less money and cuts my device count in half; that seems like a good deal for the consumer. It's not the PDA portion of the device that costs $49 - 159 per month, it's the cell service. From: luis maldonado [mailto:luis.maldon...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:27 AM To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Whatever the solution is in moving our apps to the new webOS platform is fine. however, it doesn't solve the issues of the PDA platform disappearing from the face of the planet leaving a PDA market without the necessary hardware to run these applications that are more of a realtime data collections than phone conversations. the beauty of the TX and similar PDAs is their pricing structure, once that is gone, then we have the Symbols and the like able to charge an exhorbitant price for PDAs which are used just to collect data and nothing more. so we're stuck with an expensive monthly phone service which is secondary to our real needs... There is a market out for these units, it's just not sexy enough and offcourse it doesn't have the 49.99 to 159.99 monthly service fee tag to go along with it Luis. From: llebl...@cam.org To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:31:26 -0700 Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ _ Windows LiveT: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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I think it's more accurate to say that all the extras above and beyond the ability to make and receive phone calls are secondary to my needs. I got my Centro for $50 when I renewed my basic ATT contract -- which I would have done anyway because I get a discount. I no longer carry my E2 and a phone that takes pictures of the inside of my pocket but won't connect to my PC to share them. I can manage my calendar and my contacts using a real keyboard and keep the one at work sync'd to the one at home. I may not be typical, but I suspect that given the choice of having a sensible phone service plan over a full data plan a lot more people would take the sensible option. This, however, is not in the best interests of Spring, ATT, Verizon, et al. so you won't see sensible options -- just more ways to bill for airtime (whether you use it or not). dga Lee Church wrote: The days of the $200 PDA are gone forever. The Palm market lasted longer than most (Windows Mobile manufacturers exited several years ago, and the low-end HP units are now $400 +). If you want just a Palm OS device w/o phone then the Acceda and the Janam units will have to do. I do find your comment that phone service is secondary to our real needs somewhat myopic. None of my customers carry only a PDA and no cell phone. Asked which they would give up first, I would bet the PDA would lose. So let's do some math: option 1 would have been to buy a Tungsten E2 at $200, and get a free phone with a cell contract at $49 per month, and I carry 2 devices. Option 2 would have been (and now is) to pay $99 for a Centro (current market price in my area), plus $49 per month for cell service, and I carry one device. So option 2 costs me less money and cuts my device count in half; that seems like a good deal for the consumer. It's not the PDA portion of the device that costs $49 - 159 per month, it's the cell service. *From:* luis maldonado [mailto:luis.maldon...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:27 AM *To:* Palm Developer Forum *Subject:* RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Whatever the solution is in moving our apps to the new webOS platform is fine. however, it doesn't solve the issues of the PDA platform disappearing from the face of the planet leaving a PDA market without the necessary hardware to run these applications that are more of a realtime data collections than phone conversations. the beauty of the TX and similar PDAs is their pricing structure, once that is gone, then we have the Symbols and the like able to charge an exhorbitant price for PDAs which are used just to collect data and nothing more. so we're stuck with an expensive monthly phone service which is secondary to our real needs... There is a market out for these units, it's just not sexy enough and offcourse it doesn't have the 49.99 to 159.99 monthly service fee tag to go along with it Luis. From: llebl...@cam.org To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:31:26 -0700 Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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It really doesn't have a card slot? I would be certain that they'd put it in the battery compartment like the Centro at least. Palms have always had card slots, haven't they? One thing I'm kinda pissed about is that I heard it has a capacitive touchscreen... which means no stylus. . . Now there's no reason to port any art programs onto the Palm Pre, and that's one of my favorite things to do on the Palm. Edward Jones wrote: Yes Palm says it has a total of 8Gb internal storage (see here for the full specs : http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9668/palm-announces-the-palm-pre-smartphone/) but with regards to the absence of an SD slot the only thing I can think of is that Palm designers were trying to keep the thickness/cost of the Pre down? To me though it would be worth sacrificing a lttle more thickness for the undoubted usefulness of an SD slot. Maybe the production model will have it or maybe even one of the other models that Palm say will follow... A lot of maybes... Edward Jones Martin Henne wrote: On Dienstag 07 April 2009, Edward Jones wrote: Thank goodness Palm have woken up to the fact that people might still want to use their PalmOS apps on their new baby. I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards as this is what my app uses a lot and as far as I am aware the Pre will not have an SD slot? It has no SD-Slot? Why is that? So I wont buy one. Or does it have heaps of GB space? it should have at least 8 GB then. Martin -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
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They have, however left the option of using dial-up in there right up to the centro. However some areas (northeast US switched over to somebody else running the PSTN and ffed up something so that wireless dialup calls no longer got through.) (CDMA only btw). I am actually surprised that Dialup over CDMA worked at all, considering the underlying protocol. I used dial up instead of a data plan for a while, until I just happened to get one for $5 a month (One of those famous screwups and they throw in a dataplan to make up for it), and then I ended up getting rid of that too. Nowdays, I realize that I don't need a dataplan at all. I have a laptop, and its always with me. Don Albertson wrote: I think it's more accurate to say that all the extras above and beyond the ability to make and receive phone calls are secondary to my needs. I got my Centro for $50 when I renewed my basic ATT contract -- which I would have done anyway because I get a discount. I no longer carry my E2 and a phone that takes pictures of the inside of my pocket but won't connect to my PC to share them. I can manage my calendar and my contacts using a real keyboard and keep the one at work sync'd to the one at home. I may not be typical, but I suspect that given the choice of having a sensible phone service plan over a full data plan a lot more people would take the sensible option. This, however, is not in the best interests of Spring, ATT, Verizon, et al. so you won't see sensible options -- just more ways to bill for airtime (whether you use it or not). dga Lee Church wrote: The days of the $200 PDA are gone forever. The Palm market lasted longer than most (Windows Mobile manufacturers exited several years ago, and the low-end HP units are now $400 +). If you want just a Palm OS device w/o phone then the Acceda and the Janam units will have to do. I do find your comment that phone service is secondary to our real needs somewhat myopic. None of my customers carry only a PDA and no cell phone. Asked which they would give up first, I would bet the PDA would lose. So let's do some math: option 1 would have been to buy a Tungsten E2 at $200, and get a free phone with a cell contract at $49 per month, and I carry 2 devices. Option 2 would have been (and now is) to pay $99 for a Centro (current market price in my area), plus $49 per month for cell service, and I carry one device. So option 2 costs me less money and cuts my device count in half; that seems like a good deal for the consumer. It's not the PDA portion of the device that costs $49 - 159 per month, it's the cell service. *From:* luis maldonado [mailto:luis.maldon...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:27 AM *To:* Palm Developer Forum *Subject:* RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Whatever the solution is in moving our apps to the new webOS platform is fine. however, it doesn't solve the issues of the PDA platform disappearing from the face of the planet leaving a PDA market without the necessary hardware to run these applications that are more of a realtime data collections than phone conversations. the beauty of the TX and similar PDAs is their pricing structure, once that is gone, then we have the Symbols and the like able to charge an exhorbitant price for PDAs which are used just to collect data and nothing more. so we're stuck with an expensive monthly phone service which is secondary to our real needs... There is a market out for these units, it's just not sexy enough and offcourse it doesn't have the 49.99 to 159.99 monthly service fee tag to go along with it Luis. From: llebl...@cam.org To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:31:26 -0700 Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
How do you unsubscribe (Was: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre)
Discussions like this help me realize that I don't belong here. My cell phone voice and data plan is less expensive than my landline voice and data and I can get higher data rates on the cell phone. So, which is more 'sensible'? Every phone that I have ever had with ATT has had the capability to connect to a PC to access the photos that I shot on it. Text and data plans are separately charged items on ATT; if you don't want them, don't sign up for them. Most people who keep a calendar would prefer NOT to bring a laptop with them as well. Most of my apps don't use any of the fancy new features on modern devices. However, those modern features enable a bunch of really interesting possibilities for future versions of those apps and new apps. So, how does one unsubscribe from this list these days? The URL appended to the bottom of these messages is no good any more and the instructions to unsubscribe are not in any obvious place on the page that you get redirected to. alan Don Albertson wrote: I think it's more accurate to say that all the extras above and beyond the ability to make and receive phone calls are secondary to my needs. I got my Centro for $50 when I renewed my basic ATT contract -- which I would have done anyway because I get a discount. I no longer carry my E2 and a phone that takes pictures of the inside of my pocket but won't connect to my PC to share them. I can manage my calendar and my contacts using a real keyboard and keep the one at work sync'd to the one at home. I may not be typical, but I suspect that given the choice of having a sensible phone service plan over a full data plan a lot more people would take the sensible option. This, however, is not in the best interests of Spring, ATT, Verizon, et al. so you won't see sensible options -- just more ways to bill for airtime (whether you use it or not). dga Lee Church wrote: The days of the $200 PDA are gone forever. The Palm market lasted longer than most (Windows Mobile manufacturers exited several years ago, and the low-end HP units are now $400 +). If you want just a Palm OS device w/o phone then the Acceda and the Janam units will have to do. I do find your comment that phone service is secondary to our real needs somewhat myopic. None of my customers carry only a PDA and no cell phone. Asked which they would give up first, I would bet the PDA would lose. So let's do some math: option 1 would have been to buy a Tungsten E2 at $200, and get a free phone with a cell contract at $49 per month, and I carry 2 devices. Option 2 would have been (and now is) to pay $99 for a Centro (current market price in my area), plus $49 per month for cell service, and I carry one device. So option 2 costs me less money and cuts my device count in half; that seems like a good deal for the consumer. It's not the PDA portion of the device that costs $49 - 159 per month, it's the cell service. *From:* luis maldonado [mailto:luis.maldon...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:27 AM *To:* Palm Developer Forum *Subject:* RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Whatever the solution is in moving our apps to the new webOS platform is fine. however, it doesn't solve the issues of the PDA platform disappearing from the face of the planet leaving a PDA market without the necessary hardware to run these applications that are more of a realtime data collections than phone conversations. the beauty of the TX and similar PDAs is their pricing structure, once that is gone, then we have the Symbols and the like able to charge an exhorbitant price for PDAs which are used just to collect data and nothing more. so we're stuck with an expensive monthly phone service which is secondary to our real needs... There is a market out for these units, it's just not sexy enough and offcourse it doesn't have the 49.99 to 159.99 monthly service fee tag to go along with it Luis. From: llebl...@cam.org To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:31:26 -0700 Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access
Re: How do you unsubscribe (Was: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre)
http://www.accessdevnet.com/index.php/Forums/ On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Alan Perry al...@snowmoose.com wrote: Discussions like this help me realize that I don't belong here. My cell phone voice and data plan is less expensive than my landline voice and data and I can get higher data rates on the cell phone. So, which is more 'sensible'? Every phone that I have ever had with ATT has had the capability to connect to a PC to access the photos that I shot on it. Text and data plans are separately charged items on ATT; if you don't want them, don't sign up for them. Most people who keep a calendar would prefer NOT to bring a laptop with them as well. Most of my apps don't use any of the fancy new features on modern devices. However, those modern features enable a bunch of really interesting possibilities for future versions of those apps and new apps. So, how does one unsubscribe from this list these days? The URL appended to the bottom of these messages is no good any more and the instructions to unsubscribe are not in any obvious place on the page that you get redirected to. alan Don Albertson wrote: I think it's more accurate to say that all the extras above and beyond the ability to make and receive phone calls are secondary to my needs. I got my Centro for $50 when I renewed my basic ATT contract -- which I would have done anyway because I get a discount. I no longer carry my E2 and a phone that takes pictures of the inside of my pocket but won't connect to my PC to share them. I can manage my calendar and my contacts using a real keyboard and keep the one at work sync'd to the one at home. I may not be typical, but I suspect that given the choice of having a sensible phone service plan over a full data plan a lot more people would take the sensible option. This, however, is not in the best interests of Spring, ATT, Verizon, et al. so you won't see sensible options -- just more ways to bill for airtime (whether you use it or not). dga Lee Church wrote: The days of the $200 PDA are gone forever. The Palm market lasted longer than most (Windows Mobile manufacturers exited several years ago, and the low-end HP units are now $400 +). If you want just a Palm OS device w/o phone then the Acceda and the Janam units will have to do. I do find your comment that phone service is secondary to our real needs somewhat myopic. None of my customers carry only a PDA and no cell phone. Asked which they would give up first, I would bet the PDA would lose. So let's do some math: option 1 would have been to buy a Tungsten E2 at $200, and get a free phone with a cell contract at $49 per month, and I carry 2 devices. Option 2 would have been (and now is) to pay $99 for a Centro (current market price in my area), plus $49 per month for cell service, and I carry one device. So option 2 costs me less money and cuts my device count in half; that seems like a good deal for the consumer. It's not the PDA portion of the device that costs $49 - 159 per month, it's the cell service. *From:* luis maldonado [mailto:luis.maldon...@hotmail.com] *Sent:* Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:27 AM *To:* Palm Developer Forum *Subject:* RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Whatever the solution is in moving our apps to the new webOS platform is fine. however, it doesn't solve the issues of the PDA platform disappearing from the face of the planet leaving a PDA market without the necessary hardware to run these applications that are more of a realtime data collections than phone conversations. the beauty of the TX and similar PDAs is their pricing structure, once that is gone, then we have the Symbols and the like able to charge an exhorbitant price for PDAs which are used just to collect data and nothing more. so we're stuck with an expensive monthly phone service which is secondary to our real needs... There is a market out for these units, it's just not sexy enough and offcourse it doesn't have the 49.99 to 159.99 monthly service fee tag to go along with it Luis. From: llebl...@cam.org To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:31:26 -0700 Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_allup_1a_explore_042009 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access
Re: How do you unsubscribe (Was: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre)
Yeah, I got that far. I see nothing there about unsubscribing from this list. Jeff Loucks wrote: http://www.accessdevnet.com/index.php/Forums/ On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Alan Perry al...@snowmoose.com mailto:al...@snowmoose.com wrote: So, how does one unsubscribe from this list these days? The URL appended to the bottom of these messages is no good any more and the instructions to unsubscribe are not in any obvious place on the page that you get redirected to. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: How do you unsubscribe (Was: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre)
Go to http://news.palmos.com, log in, and unsubscribe there. If you have trouble with the login dialog you can use the password retrieval tool at http://news.palmos.com/emailpassword.tml to reset your password and get logged in to manage your subscriptions. Tom -Original Message- From: Alan Perry [mailto:al...@snowmoose.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:54 AM To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: How do you unsubscribe (Was: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre) Yeah, I got that far. I see nothing there about unsubscribing from this list. Jeff Loucks wrote: http://www.accessdevnet.com/index.php/Forums/ On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Alan Perry al...@snowmoose.com mailto:al...@snowmoose.com wrote: So, how does one unsubscribe from this list these days? The URL appended to the bottom of these messages is no good any more and the instructions to unsubscribe are not in any obvious place on the page that you get redirected to. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: How do you unsubscribe (Was: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre)
Closer, but not quite. I went to password retrieval, got the e-mail to reset my password, reset my password, but news.palmos.com still wouldn't recognize it. Under MacOS/Safari, it just kept prompting me. Under Solaris/Firefox, it is sitting in a perpetual Loading.../Waiting for news.palmos.com state. alan Tom Chavez wrote: Go to http://news.palmos.com, log in, and unsubscribe there. If you have trouble with the login dialog you can use the password retrieval tool at http://news.palmos.com/emailpassword.tml to reset your password and get logged in to manage your subscriptions. Tom -Original Message- From: Alan Perry [mailto:al...@snowmoose.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:54 AM To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: How do you unsubscribe (Was: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre) Yeah, I got that far. I see nothing there about unsubscribing from this list. Jeff Loucks wrote: http://www.accessdevnet.com/index.php/Forums/ On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Alan Perry al...@snowmoose.com mailto:al...@snowmoose.com wrote: So, how does one unsubscribe from this list these days? The URL appended to the bottom of these messages is no good any more and the instructions to unsubscribe are not in any obvious place on the page that you get redirected to. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: How do you unsubscribe (Was: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre)
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RE: How do you unsubscribe (Was: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre)
It does not want to let you go. -Original Message- From: Alan Perry [mailto:al...@snowmoose.com] Sent: 08 April 2009 20:07 To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: How do you unsubscribe (Was: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre) Closer, but not quite. I went to password retrieval, got the e-mail to reset my password, reset my password, but news.palmos.com still wouldn't recognize it. Under MacOS/Safari, it just kept prompting me. Under Solaris/Firefox, it is sitting in a perpetual Loading.../Waiting for news.palmos.com state. alan Tom Chavez wrote: Go to http://news.palmos.com, log in, and unsubscribe there. If you have trouble with the login dialog you can use the password retrieval tool at http://news.palmos.com/emailpassword.tml to reset your password and get logged in to manage your subscriptions. Tom -Original Message- From: Alan Perry [mailto:al...@snowmoose.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 11:54 AM To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: How do you unsubscribe (Was: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre) Yeah, I got that far. I see nothing there about unsubscribing from this list. Jeff Loucks wrote: http://www.accessdevnet.com/index.php/Forums/ On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 11:39 AM, Alan Perry al...@snowmoose.com mailto:al...@snowmoose.com wrote: So, how does one unsubscribe from this list these days? The URL appended to the bottom of these messages is no good any more and the instructions to unsubscribe are not in any obvious place on the page that you get redirected to. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
i think all they did was take the simulator source code and ported. Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 09:39:18 -0400 Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre From: christopherstam...@gmail.com To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org wrote: Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... HotSync is not supported, afaik. So no need to wonder about conduits. -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ _ Share photos with friends on Windows Live Messenger http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9650734 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Lee your comment about YOUR custmers not wanting to give up the phone makes my point, these customers DO need both services and in that case the phone/PDA combo wins hands down. Howerver, my comment was directed towards those applications like restaurants, small warehouses, doctors and others where the phone is NOT necessary and the PDA is only used for data collection, then the phone is an EXTRA charge for a data collector unit. In some of these areas a 200.00 unit is what the doctor ordered Luis, From: lchu...@mobitechsystems.com To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2009 09:48:33 -0500 The days of the $200 PDA are gone forever. The Palm market lasted longer than most (Windows Mobile manufacturers exited several years ago, and the low-end HP units are now $400 +). If you want just a Palm OS device w/o phone then the Acceda and the Janam units will have to do. I do find your comment that phone service is secondary to our real needs somewhat myopic. None of my customers carry only a PDA and no cell phone. Asked which they would give up first, I would bet the PDA would lose. So let's do some math: option 1 would have been to buy a Tungsten E2 at $200, and get a free phone with a cell contract at $49 per month, and I carry 2 devices. Option 2 would have been (and now is) to pay $99 for a Centro (current market price in my area), plus $49 per month for cell service, and I carry one device. So option 2 costs me less money and cuts my device count in half; that seems like a good deal for the consumer. It's not the PDA portion of the device that costs $49 - 159 per month, it's the cell service. From: luis maldonado [mailto:luis.maldon...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:27 AM To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Whatever the solution is in moving our apps to the new webOS platform is fine. however, it doesn't solve the issues of the PDA platform disappearing from the face of the planet leaving a PDA market without the necessary hardware to run these applications that are more of a realtime data collections than phone conversations. the beauty of the TX and similar PDAs is their pricing structure, once that is gone, then we have the Symbols and the like able to charge an exhorbitant price for PDAs which are used just to collect data and nothing more. so we're stuck with an expensive monthly phone service which is secondary to our real needs... There is a market out for these units, it's just not sexy enough and offcourse it doesn't have the 49.99 to 159.99 monthly service fee tag to go along with it Luis. From: llebl...@cam.org To: palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2009 06:31:26 -0700 Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. Check it out.-- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Now available on your iPhone or BlackBerry http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Mobile1_042009 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
You are right. I support delivery drivers who use Palms as a Point of Sale device. Had a poor woman call that her E2 wouldn't digitize and Palm couldn't sell her one. She couldn't use a Unlocked Centro because a.) we don't support it, and b.) it won't hook to her printer. (Although I got one to work by jamming it against the leads on the printer and if she bought one I would tell her how to get it to work with our software, but we don't test on them.) My customers need PDA's. I redirected her to a reseller of refurbish Palms, but soon that source will dry up. We face the possibility of having to switch to Windows Mobile, and having the nightmare of supporting two platforms that the customers can't tell apart. (Trust me.) Cell phones do not work for delivery drivers. Janam has a Palm PDA for just such a use, but it cost $1500. Many of our customers are small family owned businesses that would rather buy or replace $200 or $300 PDAs as they break. Benjamin luis maldonado wrote: Lee your comment about YOUR custmers not wanting to give up the phone makes my point, these customers DO need both services and in that case the phone/PDA combo wins hands down. Howerver, my comment was directed towards those applications like restaurants, small warehouses, doctors and others where the phone is NOT necessary and the PDA is only used for data collection, then the phone is an EXTRA charge for a data collector unit. In some of these areas a 200.00 unit is what the doctor ordered Luis, -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Most of my customers started with E2's to get a low entry price. But the customers we support that have delivery drivers or route salesmen have found them to be a false economy. Many of these customer found they were replacing units every 6-9 months. I visited with one customer last month, and out of 6 units only one would align the digitizer properly, all due to rough handling. Right now his guys are putting up with it, since he cannot buy any new units. But Janam units are in his budget for this summer. In warehouses or restaurant usage I could not image the usage pattern would be much different. This is the same discussion I saw back when a Zire was available for under $100; it's just penny-wise and pound-foolish in my experience. Janam will sell a color unit w/o scanner and Wifi, and I can match the Internet resellers and sell it for a price that's very close to the price of three E2 units. Over a three year period I estimate the Janam units will cut the TCO in half. And that's not counting the lost productivity due to a broken unit or the spare inventory a user had to stock. I run two small businesses so I understand the value of cash, but I also understand the value of a sound investment. As for doctor's, well that's an interesting group. If there was ever a bigger bunch of cheapskates who can absolutely afford whatever toy they desire, I've never met them. I've worked in the medical field before, and my experience is that if you sell them cheap, you've sold your soul. I listened to one guy tell me to my face that he could build a better system in 3 weekends or less, and run it on Zire units which I would not support. After whining and complaining for over an hour, he walked out and got into a car worth over $100K. I would never base any business plan around that group. BTW, the doc never ended up with a system. -Original Message- From: Ben Rittgers [mailto:britt...@mchsi.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 08, 2009 9:31 PM To: Palm Developer Forum Subject: Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre You are right. I support delivery drivers who use Palms as a Point of Sale device. Had a poor woman call that her E2 wouldn't digitize and Palm couldn't sell her one. She couldn't use a Unlocked Centro because a.) we don't support it, and b.) it won't hook to her printer. (Although I got one to work by jamming it against the leads on the printer and if she bought one I would tell her how to get it to work with our software, but we don't test on them.) My customers need PDA's. I redirected her to a reseller of refurbish Palms, but soon that source will dry up. We face the possibility of having to switch to Windows Mobile, and having the nightmare of supporting two platforms that the customers can't tell apart. (Trust me.) Cell phones do not work for delivery drivers. Janam has a Palm PDA for just such a use, but it cost $1500. Many of our customers are small family owned businesses that would rather buy or replace $200 or $300 PDAs as they break. Benjamin luis maldonado wrote: Lee your comment about YOUR custmers not wanting to give up the phone makes my point, these customers DO need both services and in that case the phone/PDA combo wins hands down. Howerver, my comment was directed towards those applications like restaurants, small warehouses, doctors and others where the phone is NOT necessary and the PDA is only used for data collection, then the phone is an EXTRA charge for a data collector unit. In some of these areas a 200.00 unit is what the doctor ordered Luis, -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
On Dienstag 07 April 2009, Diego Acevedo wrote: Hello, I just watch a video of classic application running on Palm Pre. See link: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicart icleId=9131176intsrc=news_ts_head Looks very promising. This might be a reason for me to buy a pre. Martin -- www.martinhenne.de martin.he...@web.de -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Thank goodness Palm have woken up to the fact that people might still want to use their PalmOS apps on their new baby. I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards as this is what my app uses a lot and as far as I am aware the Pre will not have an SD slot? Edward Jones Martin Henne wrote: On Dienstag 07 April 2009, Diego Acevedo wrote: Hello, I just watch a video of classic application running on Palm Pre. See link: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicart icleId=9131176intsrc=news_ts_head Looks very promising. This might be a reason for me to buy a pre. Martin -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
On Dienstag 07 April 2009, Edward Jones wrote: Thank goodness Palm have woken up to the fact that people might still want to use their PalmOS apps on their new baby. I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards as this is what my app uses a lot and as far as I am aware the Pre will not have an SD slot? It has no SD-Slot? Why is that? So I wont buy one. Or does it have heaps of GB space? it should have at least 8 GB then. Martin -- www.martinhenne.de martin.he...@web.de -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Yes Palm says it has a total of 8Gb internal storage (see here for the full specs : http://www.palminfocenter.com/news/9668/palm-announces-the-palm-pre-smartphone/) but with regards to the absence of an SD slot the only thing I can think of is that Palm designers were trying to keep the thickness/cost of the Pre down? To me though it would be worth sacrificing a lttle more thickness for the undoubted usefulness of an SD slot. Maybe the production model will have it or maybe even one of the other models that Palm say will follow... A lot of maybes... Edward Jones Martin Henne wrote: On Dienstag 07 April 2009, Edward Jones wrote: Thank goodness Palm have woken up to the fact that people might still want to use their PalmOS apps on their new baby. I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards as this is what my app uses a lot and as far as I am aware the Pre will not have an SD slot? It has no SD-Slot? Why is that? So I wont buy one. Or does it have heaps of GB space? it should have at least 8 GB then. Martin -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Diego Acevedo diegoacev...@worldnet.att.net a écrit dans le message de news: 187...@palm-dev-forum... Hello, I just watch a video of classic application running on Palm Pre. See link: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9131176intsrc=news_ts_head It is just a shame they did not mandate StyleTap for this outsource. -- Regis St-Gelais www.laubrass.com -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:31 AM, Luc Le Blanc llebl...@cam.org wrote: Edward Jones wrote: I wonder how Classic will cope with Bluetooth and SD cards ...and conduits and beaming... HotSync is not supported, afaik. So no need to wonder about conduits. -- Christopher Stamper Email: christopherstam...@gmail.com Web: http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg gTalk: http://tinyurl.com/6e359r Skype: cdstamper -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Regis St-Gelais wrote: } It is just a shame they did not mandate StyleTap for this outsource. I too thought like this at first, given StyleTap's quality and their excellent service to developers. However, Palm may have felt differently about them. After all, Palm often boasted its vast program base (a pride unfortunately not reflected in their appreciation of PalmOS developers when announcing the Pre), so when these programs can be used on non-Palm hardware, that doesn't put any money in Palm's pocket. Unless StyleTap has to pay royalties to Palm; do they? Luc Le Blanc -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Classic emulator interface on Palm Pre
Hello, I just watch a video of classic application running on Palm Pre. See link: http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasicarticleId=9131176intsrc=news_ts_head Click on video. Interesting! Diego, -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Launching the emulator
I'm using Codewarrior 9.3, and have lost the ability to launch the Emulator from within the Codewarrior IDE - neither the button nor the menu option works. I can launch from the Desktop and then connect, but it would be more convenient to be able to launch within the IDE. Anybody have any ideas on how to fix this? note: I'm using Windows 2000 - I would guess it is a OS issue and not a CW issue (but it may be some setting or config file ...) -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
detect emulator
Anyone know how to set different values to a defined variable for emulator and a real unit, this doesnt seem to work at all: #if EMULATION_LEVEL != EMULATION_NONE #define delay 2 #else #define delay 12 #endif Thanks / Jimmy -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Emulator Won't run
Have you altered the FLASH on your Vx with an app such as FlashPro? If so, Poser won't be able to use the ROM image. - Original Message - From: Dean Salman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Newsgroups: palm-dev-forum To: Palm Developer Forum palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Sent: Thursday, September 28, 2000 12:20 PM Subject: Emulator Won't run Does the emulator work with NT 4.0 client service pack 4 I downloaded the ROM from my Vx but I get a check sum error. I clicked the OK and the emulator started. The problem is it does nothing: I can't click the buttons or use the keyboard. The only thing that does work is the right click and that displays a menu. What I need to do is test a PQA that wil access a local server on the Intranet. I am assuming that I can send HTTP to the emulator -- For information on using the Palm Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/support/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Can't use Palm device after emulator?
The emulator can be configured to use one of your PC's serial ports as the serial port on the emulated Palm. If your cradle and real device are plugged into the same port while the emulator is still running you'll get that conflict. To solve this problem you can close the emulator before hotsyncing or debugging on the real device. Alternately, you can configure the emulator to not use a serial port at all by right-clicking the emulator, choosing Properties and changing Serial Port to None. If the emulator is configured to a different port than the cradle it's still possible that you're getting a conflict. On a typically configured PC, COM1 and COM3 share an interrupt, and COM2 and COM4 also share an interrupt. If your cradle is on COM1 and your emulator is using COM3, the two probably can't share that interrupt. If this is the problem, the solutions are the same, or you can reconfigure the emulator to use a port which doesn't conflict with the cradle. Good luck! -Bob Whiteman -Original Message- From: DIAMOND JEFF To: Palm Developer Forum Sent: 8/3/2000 10:46 PM Subject: Can't use Palm device after emulator? I'm currently using the most uptodate versions of CodeWarrior and the Debugger (Update 1, patch, etc.) What I've found is that if I'm doing a programming session using POSE, nomatter how cleanly I exit the session, when I try to THEN try out my program on a real Palm, I get a Serial port is busy when it starts the download. The only thing that seems to remedy this is to reboot my computer. In fact, after I've done the POSE debugging, I can't even do a hotsync without the same effect. What's tying up the serial port? Thanks folks! - Jeff -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: emulator speed
Farzin Ashraghi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I think that I am developing my patience :) I don't know why, but I perceive that the Palm emulator responses to external instructions is very slow and sometimes it doesn't react but after retrying several times pressing a button. Do you think that it is related with the computer processor speed? I try to use in two similar computers (Pentium 166MHz, 32Mb RAM) but in both cases I have the same delay. You might be having the problem that's remedied in the following news article from the emulator forum: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Good luck, Noah Young (Metta4) -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Emulator for hotsynch
Löfving, Christer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Does anyone know how to use the Palm emulator for hotsynch? You need null-modem cable to connect your two com-ports. Then tune HotSyncto one of them and Emulator to the second one. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Error #773 in Emulator?
Hi all... COuld someone please point me to where I might find out why I can't upload my M110 ROMs to the Emulator? I get an Error # 773 on the palm screen. Oh, and if I click on the button on the Emulator itself to ask it to upload it reports that there is already another app running... and all Iget is a QUIT button. Pointer please to where I can find out more? Jim -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: About infrared in palm emulator
The same way you do when you have only one Palm device to debug with: http://oasis.palm.com/dev/kb/faq/1428.cfm - Original Message - From: hymanho [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Palm Developer Forum palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Sent: Tuesday, November 28, 2000 5:48 AM Subject: About infrared in palm emulator hello, how can I test the infrared program with palm emulaotr? regard __ === ÐÂÀËÃâ·Ñµç×ÓÓÊÏä http://mail.sina.com.cn ÐÂÀËÍƳö°ÂÔ˶ÌÐÅÏ¢ÊÖ»úµã²¥·þÎñ http://sms.sina.com.cn/ -- For information on using the Palm Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/support/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Test infrared program in emulator?
Hello All, Who can tell me how to test the infrared program in palm emulaotr? I have a infrared program, but I didn't have two palm device, so I want to use the emulator to beam with my palm device through the IR device. but I don't know how to do. regard. __ === ÐÂÀËÃâ·Ñµç×ÓÓÊÏä http://mail.sina.com.cn ÐÂÀËÍƳö°ÂÔ˶ÌÐÅÏ¢ÊÖ»úµã²¥·þÎñ http://sms.sina.com.cn/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
About infrared in palm emulator
hello, how can I test the infrared program with palm emulaotr? regard __ === ÐÂÀËÃâ·Ñµç×ÓÓÊÏä http://mail.sina.com.cn ÐÂÀËÍƳö°ÂÔ˶ÌÐÅÏ¢ÊÖ»úµã²¥·þÎñ http://sms.sina.com.cn/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: detect emulator
Try something like this...
Err err;
UInt32 value;
Boolean emulator;
err = FtrGet('pose', 0, value);
if (err) {
emulator = false;
} else {
emulator = true;
}
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Re: Application size too large emulator is not loading prc File
http://oasis.palm.com/dev/kb/faq/1848.cfm http://oasis.palm.com/dev/kb/faq/1486.cfm http://oasis.palm.com/dev/kb/faq/1418.cfm Maybe you should try the smart code model. - Original Message - From: amit saini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Palm Developer Forum palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 9:50 AM Subject: Re: Application size too large emulator is not loading prc File -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Application size too large emulator is not loading prc File
You may need to break up your function into smaller chunks. Your function may be exceeding the max chunk size. - Original Message - From: amit saini [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Palm Developer Forum palm-dev-forum@news.palmos.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 20, 2000 4:54 AM Subject: Application size too large emulator is not loading prc File Hi everybody, My Problem is that Emulator is not loading executable file and giving Error as Follows Error out of memmory occured while installing recource code it is possible that size of recource is larger than the currently allowed maximum of 65505. I have already converted our application from small to large project so I guess may be the problem is with huge size of recources taken up by the Application.If I comment around 100 lines from our code then emulator excepts the file. Please Help me. Thanks [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- For information on using the Palm Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.palmos.com/dev/tech/support/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
netErrWrongSocketType error on NetLibReceive In Emulator
Hi, I am running into a problem working with sockets using the Native NetLib calls. Everything seems to be fine on the Palm itself. Even on the Emulator things are doing fine until I try a NetLibReceive call, that's when I get a netErrWrongSocketType. I am running Palm OS Emulateor 3.0a6 on WinNT 4.0 with the Redirect NetLib calls to host TCP/IP turned on. Thanks in Advance. Ali __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Messenger - Talk while you surf! It's FREE. http://im.yahoo.com/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Problem with Emulator 3.0a7
Greetings everyone, I have upgraded to Palm OS 3.5 with Code Warrior Release 6.0 I am using the Emulator 3.0a7 with Rom image 3.5 EZ configured as Palm Vx, and Ram size 8192K to test my application. My program has called WinDrawLine(x1, y1, x2, y2) several places. x y are type Coord. My program crashes at the first call to WinDrawLine with an error message Bus Error at (address) WinDrawLine. Also, all of the WinDraw... functions don't draw anymore. My program works well with Emulator and Rom image version 3.3. I then try to use Emulator 3.0a7 with Rom image 3.5 Non EZ configured as Palm III and Ram size 8192K. I still got the same error. If I comment all the WinDrawLine, then the program works. I checked my #include and the paths to make sure that the file Window.h is included. It is. I have tried to look at Palm's documentations regarding OS 3.5, but I can't seem to find any clues. Could anyone with the experience please help me out? Your help is truly appreciated. Thanks ! = Best regards, Van Nguyen. __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Slooow Ultralite PalmOS emulator (reply)
I reply to all of you in once... I hope it's not a problem for you all... original message: We are developing an application for palm with Ultralite support (sybase). There is one big problem. Synchronizing with emulator takes more then 1 hour. I would believe that it takes so much with real palm connected by serial cable (not tested), but why is the emulator so slow? Saved PDB after synchronization is about 1.2 MB long. Does anyone know how to make emulator faster? your replies: Subject: Re: Ultralite slw PalmOS Emulator From: JB Parrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 10:19:15 -0400 X-Message-Number: 28 I would perform the sync with a real device - you might find that the problem has nothing to do with POSE at all. The bottleneck might be in Ultralite or the HotSync process. The comments of others here will be a poor substitute for your own empirical data. That's what I think, but I believed I was wrong... Because if it's problem of ultralite I can do nothing with it (at the moment) :-( -- Subject: Re: Ultralite slw PalmOS Emulator From: Brian Mathis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 17:14:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Message-Number: 64 I'm going to take a guess here that the database you are syncing contains many records. Each record cotains overhead, and requires a separate write when syncing. If you were able to pack many smaller records into larger ones, the speed of the sync would increase dramatically. Yes, you are right I have about 1 records (in 1.2mb long final pdb file). But it's hard (read very difficult) to change, it would be nice to have ultralite engineers add some support for it (batch mode or something). But thanks for reply anyway -- Subject: Re: Ultralite slw PalmOS Emulator From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2000 14:45:55 -0700 X-Message-Number: 66 What makes you think it's slow? It's doing a lot of stuff! What makes you think it should be any faster than it is? Once you do your comparisons, I'd be interested in seeing how long it takes to: * HotSync with Poser using Network HotSync * HotSync with Poser using a serial loopback cable * HotSync with an actual device using NetWork HotSync * HotSync with an actual device over a serial cable In the first two cases, it would also be interesting to know what kind of host computer you're using. sorry, maybe I haven't written what I really wanted (writing in english isn't so easy for me...) what I wanted to ask is why it takes the same time (or not very different) to synchronize data with emulator (Netlib redirected to tcp/ip) and with real palm connected to serial port. But it doesn't matter now, because it turned out to be ultralite problem (too much records). But I will try to make suggested comparisons when I will get the real palm again and if it will show something interesting I will send you results. - -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Ultralite sloooow PalmOS Emulator
Greetings We are developing an application for palm with Ultralite support (sybase). There is one big problem. Synchronizing with emulator takes more then 1 hour. I would believe that it takes so much with real palm connected by serial cable (not tested), but why is the emulator so slow? Saved PDB after synchronization is about 1.2 MB long. Does anyone know how to make emulator faster? btw, we have much more problem with ultralite (sometimes Open crash, or Dr.Watson kills emulator while trying to Close() some table and much more...) Can anyone sugest some workaround to make it run better? (or any conditions we have to fulfill...) thnx for help, bye -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: is the UP addres 207.240.80.136 still valid( for Palm emulator for web clippig apps)
I received a Developers' Dialogue mail from Palm Inc today. There was mention of some IP changed for Palm VII stuff. Gaurav Palvia wrote: folks. in my org i ve an static ip and i m out of firewall. i m using palm emulator with Palm vii rom image.But i m not abble to connect For web clipping apps it connects to 207.240.80.136/ so thR IP address 207.240.80.136 is still valid or i need to change it. Thanx in advance -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Emulator OR Pilot?
Yes Adam you are right, but as far as the emulator documentation and/or
header files, maybe I didn't look hard enough but.. I didn't find anything
like what what Chris Faherty suggested (and it worked), the following:
if (FtrGet('pose', 0, temp) == ftrErrNoSuchFeature) inposer = false;
else inposer=true;
thanks for the input folks.
JB Parrett wrote:
on 8/24/00 10:06 AM, Rick Gadbois at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Is there a way to tell from within your program if it is running in the
emulator or a real palm pilot??
#if EMULATION_LEVEL != EMULATION_NONE
// You are on the emulator
#else
// You are on a device
#endif
Those are compile time directives for conditional inclusion of code. I
don't think that's what Rick was after. As I understood the question,
he has one PRC and he wants it to be able to tell, at run time,
whether it is in the emulator or in a real palm pilot.
Perhaps looking into the behavior of the various Host*() functions
might lead you to a solution. Reading the Emulator docs might not
hurt *grin*.
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Re: Emulator OR Pilot?
JB Parrett wrote: on 8/24/00 10:06 AM, Rick Gadbois at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is there a way to tell from within your program if it is running in the emulator or a real palm pilot?? #if EMULATION_LEVEL != EMULATION_NONE // You are on the emulator #else // You are on a device #endif Those are compile time directives for conditional inclusion of code. I don't think that's what Rick was after. As I understood the question, he has one PRC and he wants it to be able to tell, at run time, whether it is in the emulator or in a real palm pilot. Perhaps looking into the behavior of the various Host*() functions might lead you to a solution. Reading the Emulator docs might not hurt *grin*. -- Adam Wozniak Chief Architect Surveyor Corporation [EMAIL PROTECTED]4548 Broad Street [EMAIL PROTECTED] San Luis Obispo, CA 93401 -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
RE: Emulator OR Pilot?
thanks chris
Is there a way to tell from within your program if it is running in the
emulator or a real palm pilot??
Boolean inposer;
DWord temp;
if (FtrGet('pose', 0, temp) == ftrErrNoSuchFeature) inposer = false;
else inposer=true;
/* Chris Faherty [EMAIL PROTECTED] */
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RE: Emulator OR Pilot?
thanks JB... - Is there a way to tell from within your program if it is running in the emulator or a real palm pilot?? - #if EMULATION_LEVEL != EMULATION_NONE // You are on the emulator #else // You are on a device #endif -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Emulator OR Pilot?
Is there a way to tell from within your program if it is running in the emulator or a real palm pilot?? thank you...rickG -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Treo modem/phone emulator?
In the first stage of testing you can create your own small sister application, that sends the phone notifications. You can also use the alarm to send multiple notifications. Lionscribe -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Treo modem/phone emulator?
At 03:15 AM 4/2/2008, you wrote: Subject: Treo modem/phone emulator? From: Lincoln Ramsay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 21:04:25 +1000 X-Message-Number: 6 I'm trying to write an app that responds to phone events (call connected, call released) but something seems to not be working. Since my phone calls aren't free I'd prefer to have some sort of modem/phone emulator that I can use to simulate phone calls (while ensuring that notifications and stuff are sent out as they are on a real Treo). I haven't tried them yet (because I haven't got a Windows environment handy) but it sounds like the Palm OS or Treo Simulators won't help me out here. Are there any other options? Getting a better phone plan seems the only solution, sorry! Roger Stringer Marietta Systems, Inc. (www.rf-tp.com) -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Treo modem/phone emulator?
I'm trying to write an app that responds to phone events (call connected, call released) but something seems to not be working. Since my phone calls aren't free I'd prefer to have some sort of modem/phone emulator that I can use to simulate phone calls (while ensuring that notifications and stuff are sent out as they are on a real Treo). I haven't tried them yet (because I haven't got a Windows environment handy) but it sounds like the Palm OS or Treo Simulators won't help me out here. Are there any other options? Thanks in advance. -- Link -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Invalid card # error in Emulator
Hi guys, I fixed it. It was ( of course ;-) a stupid error. I used a non-existing database in my code :-( . Before I sound too stupid: It was in an error handling code, where the program couldn't find a needed DB and wanted to clean up. Some some code still wanted to use the non-existing database. Bad Luck! Thanks for your help ! Jürgen Jürgen Wind schrieb: Hi Jan, thanks for the help. I will check for it ( tomorrow ;-). Best regards, Juergen -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Invalid card # error in Emulator
You're probably using a card number other than 0(1?) in one of your function calls. CardNo does not refer to external VFS volumes, such as SD cards. It is only for internal 'cards'. On Jan 26, 2008 6:52 PM, Juergen Wind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, a (hopefully) small question: When I quit my application, Emulator stops with the following message: 'Application called SysFatalAlert with the message MemoryMgr.c, Line: 3188, Invalid card#' The callstack is as follows: Thread [1] (Suspended) 5 ErrDisplayFileLineMsg() 4 MemLocalIDToGlobal() 3 DmOpenDBNoOverlay() 2 DmOpenDBWithLocale() 1 DmOpenDatabase() BTW: Simulator simply breaks on it :-( Any ideas? Juergen -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Christopher Stamper [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Re: Invalid card # error in Emulator
I don't know if you're not actually setting cardno. Are you calling somewhow a db that doesn't exist? (Wrong CreatorID, type, etc) Tried on a real device? Hopefully someone else knows, cause I don't... :-) On Jan 28, 2008 2:50 PM, Jürgen Wind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chjristopher, thanks for your answer. I'm not setting the card # explicitly. Could it be that the system tries to free a DB that I have already freed? The callstack is not inside my program. Best wishes, Juergen - original message Subject: Re: Invalid card # error in Emulator Sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 From: Christopher Stamper You're probably using a card number other than 0(1?) in one of your function calls. CardNo does not refer to external VFS volumes, such as SD cards. It is only for internal 'cards'. On Jan 26, 2008 6:52 PM, Juergen Wind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, a (hopefully) small question: When I quit my application, Emulator stops with the following message: 'Application called SysFatalAlert with the message MemoryMgr.c, Line: 3188, Invalid card#' The callstack is as follows: Thread [1] (Suspended) 5 ErrDisplayFileLineMsg() 4 MemLocalIDToGlobal() 3 DmOpenDBNoOverlay() 2 DmOpenDBWithLocale() 1 DmOpenDatabase() BTW: Simulator simply breaks on it :-( Any ideas? Juergen -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Christopher Stamper [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg-- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ --- original message end -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Christopher Stamper [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Re: Invalid card # error in Emulator
Hi Chjristopher, thanks for your answer. I'm not setting the card # explicitly. Could it be that the system tries to free a DB that I have already freed? The callstack is not inside my program. Best wishes, Juergen - original message Subject: Re: Invalid card # error in Emulator Sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 From: Christopher Stamper You're probably using a card number other than 0(1?) in one of your function calls. CardNo does not refer to external VFS volumes, such as SD cards. It is only for internal 'cards'. On Jan 26, 2008 6:52 PM, Juergen Wind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, a (hopefully) small question: When I quit my application, Emulator stops with the following message: 'Application called SysFatalAlert with the message MemoryMgr.c, Line: 3188, Invalid card#' The callstack is as follows: Thread [1] (Suspended) 5 ErrDisplayFileLineMsg() 4 MemLocalIDToGlobal() 3 DmOpenDBNoOverlay() 2 DmOpenDBWithLocale() 1 DmOpenDatabase() BTW: Simulator simply breaks on it :-( Any ideas? Juergen -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Christopher Stamper [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg-- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ --- original message end -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Re: Invalid card # error in Emulator
The call to void * MemLocalIDToGlobal(LocalID local, UInt16 cardNo) has invalid cardNo. This value is passed from DmOpenDBNoOverlay - DmOpenDBNoOverlay - DmOpenDatabase. Looks like an invalid handle. Any advice is difficult. Maybe traversing list of opened DBs just before app exit and doing some checks? BTW: Simulator simply breaks on it :-( You at least have a test case. Emulator gives you the possibility to view/investigate list of databases. With best regards, Jan Slodicka Resco, Palm Division - Original Message - From: Christopher Stamper To: Palm Developer Forum Sent: Monday, January 28, 2008 8:56 PM Subject: Re: Re: Invalid card # error in Emulator I don't know if you're not actually setting cardno. Are you calling somewhow a db that doesn't exist? (Wrong CreatorID, type, etc) Tried on a real device? Hopefully someone else knows, cause I don't... :-) On Jan 28, 2008 2:50 PM, Jürgen Wind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Chjristopher, thanks for your answer. I'm not setting the card # explicitly. Could it be that the system tries to free a DB that I have already freed? The callstack is not inside my program. Best wishes, Juergen - original message Subject: Re: Invalid card # error in Emulator Sent: Mon, 28 Jan 2008 From: Christopher Stamper You're probably using a card number other than 0(1?) in one of your function calls. CardNo does not refer to external VFS volumes, such as SD cards. It is only for internal 'cards'. On Jan 26, 2008 6:52 PM, Juergen Wind [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, a (hopefully) small question: When I quit my application, Emulator stops with the following message: 'Application called SysFatalAlert with the message MemoryMgr.c, Line: 3188, Invalid card#' The callstack is as follows: Thread [1] (Suspended) 5 ErrDisplayFileLineMsg() 4 MemLocalIDToGlobal() 3 DmOpenDBNoOverlay() 2 DmOpenDBWithLocale() 1 DmOpenDatabase() BTW: Simulator simply breaks on it :-( Any ideas? Juergen -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Christopher Stamper [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg-- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ --- original message end -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- Christopher Stamper [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://tinyurl.com/2ooncg -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Invalid card # error in Emulator
Hi Jan, thanks for the help. I will check for it ( tomorrow ;-). Best regards, Juergen Jan Slodicka wrote: The call to void * MemLocalIDToGlobal(LocalID local, UInt16 cardNo) has invalid cardNo. This value is passed from DmOpenDBNoOverlay - DmOpenDBNoOverlay - DmOpenDatabase. Looks like an invalid handle. Any advice is difficult. Maybe traversing list of opened DBs just before app exit and doing some checks? BTW: Simulator simply breaks on it :-( You at least have a test case. Emulator gives you the possibility to view/investigate list of databases. With best regards, Jan Slodicka Resco, Palm Division -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: vfsErrFileGeneric returned on call to VFSDirCreate() on Palm OS Emulator
Correct, thank you. May I suggest documenting this issue in the next version of the Emulator (should be under Emulating Expansion Memory, currently on page 52 of Using Palm OS Emulator). 2008/1/26, P. Douglas Reeder [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I encountered something like this (possibly identical) several years ago. It appears to be a bug in the Emulator. I just trapped vfsErrFileGeneric as another possible error from VFSDirCreate. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/ -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: vfsErrFileGeneric returned on call to VFSDirCreate() on Palm OS Emulator
On Jan 27, 2008 3:54 AM, Jonathan Carse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Correct, thank you. May I suggest documenting this issue in the next version of the Emulator (should be under Emulating Expansion Memory, currently on page 52 of Using Palm OS Emulator). You can suggest that, but considering that the current version of the emulator has been out for five years now with no update, I don't think it will do much good :) -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Invalid card # error in Emulator
Hi all, a (hopefully) small question: When I quit my application, Emulator stops with the following message: 'Application called SysFatalAlert with the message MemoryMgr.c, Line: 3188, Invalid card#' The callstack is as follows: Thread [1] (Suspended) 5 ErrDisplayFileLineMsg() 4 MemLocalIDToGlobal() 3 DmOpenDBNoOverlay() 2 DmOpenDBWithLocale() 1 DmOpenDatabase() BTW: Simulator simply breaks on it :-( Any ideas? Juergen -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
vfsErrFileGeneric returned on call to VFSDirCreate() on Palm OS Emulator
Hello, I am running my software on the emulator. It is built and debugged using PRC-Tools. I am using HostFS to emulate a memory card, and I'm testing a backup module I wrote that backs up information on a memory card. In one of the functions I'm ensuring that the backup folder on the memory card exists, and I'm doing that by using the VFSDirCreate() function (documented p. 1049 in Palm OS Reference). I am getting a return value of 10754 from the function, which is 0x2A02, which is the definition of vfsErrFileGeneric in VFSMgr.h. There is no mention of such a return value in the documentation of the VFSDirCreate() function. The function worked fine on a physical device, but I do not have one accessible now, so I need to use the emulator. Here is a log of the debug session (#define BACKUP_FOLDER /PALM/SivanBackup): Breakpoint 1, EnsureBackupFolderExistance (u_wVolumeReference=1, szBackupFolder=0x3d920 /PALM/SivanBackup/2008-01-26 18-25-24) at Backup.c:168 168 error = VFSDirCreate(u_wVolumeReference, BACKUP_FOLDER); (gdb) print u_wVolumeReference $1 = 1 (gdb) n 170 if(error == 0 || error == vfsErrFileAlreadyExists) (gdb) print error $2 = 10754 Can anyone help me with this? Thanks P.S. My restoration module, which restores data from previous back-ups, works fine. This proves the memory card emulation works when reading from it, but there seems to be a problem when writing to it. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: vfsErrFileGeneric returned on call to VFSDirCreate() on Palm OS Emulator
I encountered something like this (possibly identical) several years ago. It appears to be a bug in the Emulator. I just trapped vfsErrFileGeneric as another possible error from VFSDirCreate. -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Phone on/off in emulator
phone doesn't work in simulator and only way to test your program is to use real device Jayaseelan wrote: hi, this is jayaseelan, i installed 68k application into 650 simulator successfuly, while starts execution, it displays The phone is off. Would you like to turn it on? yes no i press the yes button. but the simulator hanged long time, so any one help me how to on the phone in simulator? it is webservice application. thanks regards Jayaseelan -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Phone on/off in emulator
hi, this is jayaseelan, i installed 68k application into 650 simulator successfuly, while starts execution, it displays The phone is off. Would you like to turn it on? yes no i press the yes button. but the simulator hanged long time, so any one help me how to on the phone in simulator? it is webservice application. thanks regards Jayaseelan -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Simulator/Emulator Distribution
On 5/18/07, JamesSturdevant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Someone with more knowledge will probably answer but this is my understanding: The emulator is free software but the ROM images are not. You would need a license from Access (PalmSource) or Palm to distribute them. i can confirm this. we used to ship POSE on a CD rom (saved session) with the rom built in. we needed an agreement with palm to do this. we don't do it anymore tho, because now we have a native binary for windows. you might find it better just to wite a native version. -- // Aaron Ardiri -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Simulator/Emulator Distribution
A client wants to distribute his Palm OS application to clients currently using Tablet PCs for other field applications. The Palm OS Emulator appears to be freely distributable under the GPL. However, the Palm Simulators for devices that support NVFS would be ideal. Users would not have to worry about loading and saving sessions with NVFS simulators. 1. Is the emulator freely distributable under the GPL? I believe the answer is yes. 2. Does anyone have experience in redistributing the Palm.com Simulators? Is there a licensing fee with Palm? Thanks! Eric Lyons -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Simulator/Emulator Distribution
Someone with more knowledge will probably answer but this is my understanding: The emulator is free software but the ROM images are not. You would need a license from Access (PalmSource) or Palm to distribute them. JamesS Eric Lyons wrote: A client wants to distribute his Palm OS application to clients currently using Tablet PCs for other field applications. The Palm OS Emulator appears to be freely distributable under the GPL. However, the Palm Simulators for devices that support NVFS would be ideal. Users would not have to worry about loading and saving sessions with NVFS simulators. 1. Is the emulator freely distributable under the GPL? I believe the answer is yes. 2. Does anyone have experience in redistributing the Palm.com Simulators? Is there a licensing fee with Palm? Thanks! Eric Lyons -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Palm Emulator (Working) Vs Simulator (Problems)
Hello All, We have written an application in PODS/C and it is working well in Emulator. but, it is not at all running in Garnet Simulator (nor it is throwing an error) If this matters, Application uses NetLib (INetMgr.h) library Any help would be highly appreciated. Thanks in advance, ~Sagar -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
re: Palm Emulator (Working) Vs Simulator (Problems)
yes this is only the matter if your application using the net lib and in the simulator by default net lib not comes so it not opening the net lib when u try to open it.put a alert box and check weather the net lib is open our check even for the net lib is loaded or not . -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Re: Palm Emulator (Working) Vs Simulator (Problems)
On 2007-03-30, Sagar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello All, We have written an application in PODS/C and it is working well in Emulator. but, it is not at all running in Garnet Simulator (nor it is throwing an error) If this matters, Application uses NetLib (INetMgr.h) library It does matter. You are *not* using NetLib, but the now obsolete Internet Library. This was used on the Palm VII using a not longer existing proxy server. From the docs: WARNING! The information in this chapter applies only to a very specific set of Palm, Inc. handhelds such as the Palm VII® running Palm OS® version 3.2 or later. You must check for the presence of the Wireless Internet Feature Set prior to using the Internet Library. Never assume that the Internet Library is present on any given class of handheld. All PalmOS5 do *not* support this. Jus use the normal TCP/IP socket functions in NetLib and forget INetMgr.h. HTH Ton van Overbeek -- For information on using the ACCESS Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.access-company.com/developers/forums/
Garnet Simulator and PalmOS emulator compatibility issues
I get fatal errors in garnet where I do not get in Palm OS 4.12 ROM. Lots of bad forms, bad ptrs and bad window. Could I have some tips on how to start debuging this? Thank you -- For information on using the PalmSource Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/forums/
Emulator Sources?
[Doctor Nick] Hi everybody! [/Doctor Nick] So, I'm using the Palm Emulator 3.5 from PalmOS. That gives me the Palm 4.1.2 ROMs in debug and release forms, but that isn't a very wide selection, now is it? ;) What about emulators for Sony stuff, palm phones, SOMETHING that supports color, and so on? Where are they? Thanks everyone. :) Cheers, Anders ( .) Anders Green ( -- For information on using the PalmSource Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/forums/
Re: Emulator Sources?
For starters, you'll want to download the Garnet (PalmOS 5.x) simulators from palmsource.com. You can also download a number of interesting Treo simulators from pluggedin.palm.com. -Gary Anders Green wrote: [Doctor Nick] Hi everybody! [/Doctor Nick] So, I'm using the Palm Emulator 3.5 from PalmOS. That gives me the Palm 4.1.2 ROMs in debug and release forms, but that isn't a very wide selection, now is it? ;) What about emulators for Sony stuff, palm phones, SOMETHING that supports color, and so on? Where are they? Thanks everyone. :) Cheers, Anders ( .) Anders Green ( -- For information on using the PalmSource Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/forums/
Re: Debugging with Emulator log file
Thanks! Here's the solution if anyone else has a similar problem in the future: In a Managed Make project in PODS, go to the project's Properties. Go to C/C++ Build Under PRC-Tools 68K Compiler - Miscellaneous, add the option: -mdebug-labels -- For information on using the PalmSource Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/forums/
Debugging with Emulator log file
I'm using PODS and have an app with a memory leak. Is there any way that I can have the emulator's log file display the actual trace of the leak instead of Unknown @ 0x0004A0E8, etc? I'm using a Managed Make project and it's using the Debug configuration. Are there any other symbols that I have to set? Thanks. -- For information on using the PalmSource Developer Forums, or to unsubscribe, please see http://www.palmos.com/dev/support/forums/
