Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC
Comrade Gift and Others, I hope you are well and good my friend. I must commend you for mustering sufficient courage to make the point about the sinking ship that we are. You have indeed taken it to a higher level in terms of the chosen method of cleansing the party. Whether this method is right or not is another matter. Your level of impatience with mediocrity is commendable. It is my wish that we all can assume intolerance against incapacity, mediocrity and outright counter-revolution. It is the lack of this intolerance which threatens the party. If we all assume indignation against the destruction of what is left of the PAC, we may be able to save it from total closure. The complexity lies here though: all these groups accuse each other of deviant agendas. So this begs the question: how deep is the damage on the party, and what precisely will it take to restore some respectable organisation. The jury is out on this one. Some argue that it is totally adulterated right from the centre, with divisions and mediocrity impacting on the young and old, themselves playing a part in that mediocrity as well. Others, hold a near religious view that somehow by some act the party will resuscitate. Over the years, in view of all of these, the party has developed a self-eating culture. The culture of quarels not for revolution but for side-shows. This has blinded many of us from even seeing the good in each other. It also interests me that we often talk of how opportunistic the charterists are. But equally how many amongst us share this opportunism with the charterists? Is it really true that a majority of us are not opportunistic and non-charterist minded ? We must differentiate the lack of exposure to opportunism from our ability to withstand it. Is it not true that there are many amongst us who given a chance would do just what the charterists are doing? So the reality may also just be the fact that our members are 'denied' a chance for opportunism; that if it were offered to them they will excel in it perhaps even better than the charterists themselves. These questions have kept me thinking long and hard. It is the same question that many here have asked. And rightly they fear that they too like a generation following Sobukwe 's, will get old, and old they are becoming, into irrelevance, having denied themselves a chance for revolutionary participation. How much of a disabler is the PAC in its current form. I have often argued that the agenda must supersede the vehicle. Yes, it never should be a lightly arrived at position to conclude that a vehicle is a wastage but it is a consideration we must brave and face. The stories of hurt and disappointment are many including how we elevate mediocrity and shun home talent. I and others have made a call for a focus on a program of action. I am having to handle my own exploding level of irritation at those pushing for conferences and elections of individuals who neither have a program of action nor capacity. I am up to here !!! For my sanity I will keep to the work on the program of action, and hope it is the PAC that will drive some of the ideas we share in the document. Izwe Lethu ! Matome Mashao Sent from my BlackBerry® -Original Message- From: chargein...@gmail.com Sender: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 14:28:31 To: payco@googlegroups.com Reply-To: payco@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC Comrade Gift My first input on this discussion was that to rescue PAC from current maximum infiltration is to take extraordinary actions unfortunately at a human cost. I agree with you totally in your sentiments. PAC has been hijacked from us at gun point. We cannot get it back to us without a bitter fight. -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: 'gift fuzane' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress payco@googlegroups.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:21:17 PM GMT+0100 Subject: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC This daily dialogues PAC members are busy with is not working. If my mind serve me well, this have been going on since from 80's. PAC is full of agents. Infact should I rather say PAC is an agent organization. Every leaders elected turns to work against the organization. Conference seems to fail in electing leaders cause these agents leaders are sponsored. The only solution to this problem we are facing is a coup. We retake PAC from people that thinks they own it. Appoint leaders that we think can unite the organization. We give them plan of action. Any one that is against our actions or takes us to courts will b assassinated. In order for us to fix PAC we need to take radical actions, period. Let us fix the organization once and for all. United PAC Zandisile aka Gift Fuzane -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr
Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC
Comrades, Former US President, John F Kennedy rightly said, Those who make nonviolent revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable . His powerful advice was not taken serious by his successors up to Obama. In effect, they defied him. When Gaddafi and Assad in Libya and Syria, respectively, ask for dialogue, US led imperialism looked aside and bombed them. The current international politics is biased to interests of US-led imperialism. Typical example are: 1. Nuclear crisis in Iran and North Korea. India, Israel and Pakistan test their and US is just winking, 2. Iraq invaded Kuiwait and US retariated and liberated Kuwait. Israel bombed Gaza while US was busy winking, 3. Crimea called for a referendum to break from Ukraine and condomned by US led imperiialism. Tommorrow Scoland goes for referundum to break from UK. America is again winkng, 4. US-led imperialism condomns Russia for supporting pro Russian rebels in Ukraine when same imperialists are supporting militarily Ukraine government and rebels in Syria in broad daylight. The same ISIS and Al Qaeda are product of US support. 5. The list is endless. South Africa must take the advice seriously. If nonviolent revolution cannot resolved the National Question (Land and Economic Question), violent revolution is inveitable in SA. Malema knows this fact and is exploiting it for his own agenda. Our country cannot afford to follow suite of what is happening worldwide after our bad experience with Apartheid regime's destruction in our lifetime. It doesnt whether is ANC government in power, it's our government. When crisis erupts, African people will have no option but to stand up in great numbers and join the revolutionary camp as they did to Apartheid, just like in Eastern Ukraine. What happened in Palstine, Syria, Ukraine, Iraq and Libya will be like a picnic compared to SA crisis. Spontaniety of the masses in marakana, SANDF strike, services delivery protests, etc sent clear signals to all serious-minded leaders. Associated militancy says it all. Killing PAC will not stop the revolution path SA must take. SA government must also be clear where it stands in international politics, either with or against US-led imperialism. Stop being dubious! Fence-sitters are always on the line of cross fire. Third World War is on the cards under current developments in the world. Remember: when two elephants fight (US Russia), it is the grass that suffers most. Izwe Lethu! When -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: 'gift fuzane' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress payco@googlegroups.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:21:17 PM GMT+0100 Subject: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC This daily dialogues PAC members are busy with is not working. If my mind serve me well, this have been going on since from 80's. PAC is full of agents. Infact should I rather say PAC is an agent organization. Every leaders elected turns to work against the organization. Conference seems to fail in electing leaders cause these agents leaders are sponsored. The only solution to this problem we are facing is a coup. We retake PAC from people that thinks they own it. Appoint leaders that we think can unite the organization. We give them plan of action. Any one that is against our actions or takes us to courts will b assassinated. In order for us to fix PAC we need to take radical actions, period. Let us fix the organization once and for all. United PAC Zandisile aka Gift Fuzane -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
[PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC
This daily dialogues PAC members are busy with is not working. If my mind serve me well, this have been going on since from 80's. PAC is full of agents. Infact should I rather say PAC is an agent organization. Every leaders elected turns to work against the organization. Conference seems to fail in electing leaders cause these agents leaders are sponsored. The only solution to this problem we are facing is a coup. We retake PAC from people that thinks they own it. Appoint leaders that we think can unite the organization. We give them plan of action. Any one that is against our actions or takes us to courts will b assassinated. In order for us to fix PAC we need to take radical actions, period. Let us fix the organization once and for all. United PAC Zandisile aka Gift Fuzane -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC
Comrade Gift My first input on this discussion was that to rescue PAC from current maximum infiltration is to take extraordinary actions unfortunately at a human cost. I agree with you totally in your sentiments. PAC has been hijacked from us at gun point. We cannot get it back to us without a bitter fight. -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: 'gift fuzane' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress payco@googlegroups.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:21:17 PM GMT+0100 Subject: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC This daily dialogues PAC members are busy with is not working. If my mind serve me well, this have been going on since from 80's. PAC is full of agents. Infact should I rather say PAC is an agent organization. Every leaders elected turns to work against the organization. Conference seems to fail in electing leaders cause these agents leaders are sponsored. The only solution to this problem we are facing is a coup. We retake PAC from people that thinks they own it. Appoint leaders that we think can unite the organization. We give them plan of action. Any one that is against our actions or takes us to courts will b assassinated. In order for us to fix PAC we need to take radical actions, period. Let us fix the organization once and for all. United PAC Zandisile aka Gift Fuzane -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
Re: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC
The enemy is prepared even to bomb genuine PAC members who will win the fight at the end group with Hamas, Zanu-PF, ISIS, etc. Nato may here already to deal with genuine PAC members. But, the kind of action -- Sent from my Nokia phone --Original message-- From: 'gift fuzane' via Pan Africanist Youth Congress payco@googlegroups.com To: payco@googlegroups.com Date: Sunday, September 14, 2014 1:21:17 PM GMT+0100 Subject: [PAYCO] coup is the only solution for PAC This daily dialogues PAC members are busy with is not working. If my mind serve me well, this have been going on since from 80's. PAC is full of agents. Infact should I rather say PAC is an agent organization. Every leaders elected turns to work against the organization. Conference seems to fail in electing leaders cause these agents leaders are sponsored. The only solution to this problem we are facing is a coup. We retake PAC from people that thinks they own it. Appoint leaders that we think can unite the organization. We give them plan of action. Any one that is against our actions or takes us to courts will b assassinated. In order for us to fix PAC we need to take radical actions, period. Let us fix the organization once and for all. United PAC Zandisile aka Gift Fuzane -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- -- Sending your posting to payco@googlegroups.com Unsubscribe by sending an email to payco-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com You can also visit http://groups.google.com/group/payco Visit our website at www.mayihlome.wordpress.com --- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups Pan Africanist Youth Congress group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to payco+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
