RE: [Fwd: [PAYCO] Re: dogmatism]
Narius please noble son you are wasting our time with your President, stop vandalise and looting PAC coffers and property. You are just convincing yourself only together with your company of thuggery activities that you are committing because there is no one following you around. You just arrived yesterday in PAC and you were really craving for power for a long time since i know. By the way which head party building are you talking about? Tell your bosses that PAC is not for sale and you have lost the battle. They can give you(guys) money because you have tried guys but fail at least the project was halfway until Dr Pheko stop it. I think they will understand and give a reward. I have made my point and still stand by it.payco is nothing than a tool in the hands who put every efforts to destroy pac.there is no constructive exchange of views.i am the head of party building in the party and it is my duty to defend the party from any attacks by political opportunists like yourselves.the language your using has never been used before in the pac. Pac members are disciplined members and respect the disciplinary code of the party.pac youth leage will launged in September and payco reactionaries can stay away.but this programme have to stop.pac is taking a shape.by match next year all party structures will be operational and effective.those who deployed should recall you for other briefing.you are daily approaching the dustbin of history.agents programme is reactionary in both character and content and unsustainable.your disrespect of the party and its leadership is a reflection of how badly you were brought up and what kind of a family ur come from.you simply display shere arrogance. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Sent: 28 August 2009 12:38 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; paycoofaza...@gmail.com Subject: [Fwd: [PAYCO] Re: dogmatism] Original Message Subject: [Fwd: [PAYCO] Re: dogmatism] From:kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Date:Fri, August 28, 2009 11:44 To: -- Mr Narius Moloto, You never cease to disappoint me with your poor political understanding and childish behaviour. Your response on PAYCO's stance was poorly presented and lacked content. You are an embarassment to the party of intellectual giants and principled leaders. I did not want to entertain your gubbage but for the sake of young and new comrades who might be misdirected by your ill-concieved views let me address the following: 1.PAYCO no longer PAC structure I think you still need to be initiated on the constitution of the PAC,its culture and traditions. You sound like a man who have never seen or consulted PAC constitution and its founding documents. PAC component structures are constitutionally created and governed. The relations between PAC and its structure are regulated by constitution and conventional rules. No man including the President of the party can rename the structure or dissolve it just like that. PAYCO has to be consulted, engaged and convinced of any decision that affect it,in line with democratic centralism(which is the new concept to you). PAYCO has to agree and be part of the implementation of such a decision,if that is not the case then such a decision is in conflict with the Disciplinary Code and promotes factionalism and disunity. Since that detailed process was not followed to the letter,the decision to dissolve PAYCO and establish the so-called PAC youth leageu is null and void. To add salt on the wound be informed that the Cape Town Court Decision to reject the smuggled constitution and re-instating the original Constitution accordingly confirmed PAYCO as the only legitimate PAC youth component. Your actions and attacks on PAYCO are tantamount to contempt of court,you should know the consequences,if you don't get legal advice. 2.PAYCO captured by the enermy I am sure if you don't know what you are talking about. As far as I am concerned your enermies is PAC,Its Constitution,its Members,its Structues,its founding members and its supporters. It is you and your president who wanted to rename oue party New PAC,aping the New Labour Party in England(remember the Blomfontein Component Structures Summit), it is you and your President who smuggled the new anti-PAC constitution(thanks to courts it has been declared null and void),its you and your president who have stripped PAC die-hards and veterans party membership and embarrassed them over the media, its you and your president who undermine branches,suspend duly elected leaders and install stooges,its you guys who remove principled councillors and replace them with spineless stooge,it is you and your president who disband structures who refuse to serve you,(PAYCO and
Re: [Fwd: [PAYCO] Re: dogmatism]
Where does this thing will lead us fellow africans?. We believe Pan Africanism, the values are very clear. it pains me to see us fighting will the african youth is waiting for us. We were supposed to submit articles to newsletters giving direction to the youth of Africa, what i see here we are waisting our energies fighting. From my side i submit articles to newspapers to assist my african brothers and sisters. it troubles me to see the great ideas of kwame nkrumah, sobukwe, kwame ture and other martyers are not pratice by us on daily basis. it is not going to help us as africanist to fight. I for one i stand for change and development. let us stop pointing fingers to other people, let us do intropection to ourselves and move forward. one person can make a difference to our society. you must be the change that you want to see in Azania. My interest is one as an Africanist to serve the people of Azania, in my side i stand for students. let us go to basics and stop insulting each other. the african people are waiting for us 'they want to be served'. 2009/8/29 Narius Moloto g...@bcawu.co.za I have made my point and still stand by it.payco is nothing than a tool in the hands who put every efforts to destroy pac.there is no constructive exchange of views.i am the head of party building in the party and it is my duty to defend the party from any attacks by political opportunists like yourselves.the language your using has never been used before in the pac. Pac members are disciplined members and respect the disciplinary code of the party.pac youth leage will launged in September and payco reactionaries can stay away.but this programme have to stop.pac is taking a shape.by match next year all party structures will be operational and effective.those who deployed should recall you for other briefing.you are daily approaching the dustbin of history.agents programme is reactionary in both character and content and unsustainable.your disrespect of the party and its leadership is a reflection of how badly you were brought up and what kind of a family ur come from.you simply display shere arrogance. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Sent: 28 August 2009 12:38 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; paycoofaza...@gmail.com Subject: [Fwd: [PAYCO] Re: dogmatism] Original Message Subject: [Fwd: [PAYCO] Re: dogmatism] From:kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Date:Fri, August 28, 2009 11:44 To: -- Mr Narius Moloto, You never cease to disappoint me with your poor political understanding and childish behaviour. Your response on PAYCO's stance was poorly presented and lacked content. You are an embarassment to the party of intellectual giants and principled leaders. I did not want to entertain your gubbage but for the sake of young and new comrades who might be misdirected by your ill-concieved views let me address the following: 1.PAYCO no longer PAC structure I think you still need to be initiated on the constitution of the PAC,its culture and traditions. You sound like a man who have never seen or consulted PAC constitution and its founding documents. PAC component structures are constitutionally created and governed. The relations between PAC and its structure are regulated by constitution and conventional rules. No man including the President of the party can rename the structure or dissolve it just like that. PAYCO has to be consulted, engaged and convinced of any decision that affect it,in line with democratic centralism(which is the new concept to you). PAYCO has to agree and be part of the implementation of such a decision,if that is not the case then such a decision is in conflict with the Disciplinary Code and promotes factionalism and disunity. Since that detailed process was not followed to the letter,the decision to dissolve PAYCO and establish the so-called PAC youth leageu is null and void. To add salt on the wound be informed that the Cape Town Court Decision to reject the smuggled constitution and re-instating the original Constitution accordingly confirmed PAYCO as the only legitimate PAC youth component. Your actions and attacks on PAYCO are tantamount to contempt of court,you should know the consequences,if you don't get legal advice. 2.PAYCO captured by the enermy I am sure if you don't know what you are talking about. As far as I am concerned your enermies is PAC,Its Constitution,its Members,its Structues,its founding members and its supporters. It is you and your president who wanted to rename oue party New PAC,aping the New Labour Party in England(remember the Blomfontein Component Structures Summit), it is you and your President who smuggled the new anti-PAC constitution(thanks to courts it has been
RE: [Fwd: [PAYCO] Re: dogmatism]
I have made my point and still stand by it.payco is nothing than a tool in the hands who put every efforts to destroy pac.there is no constructive exchange of views.i am the head of party building in the party and it is my duty to defend the party from any attacks by political opportunists like yourselves.the language your using has never been used before in the pac. Pac members are disciplined members and respect the disciplinary code of the party.pac youth leage will launged in September and payco reactionaries can stay away.but this programme have to stop.pac is taking a shape.by match next year all party structures will be operational and effective.those who deployed should recall you for other briefing.you are daily approaching the dustbin of history.agents programme is reactionary in both character and content and unsustainable.your disrespect of the party and its leadership is a reflection of how badly you were brought up and what kind of a family ur come from.you simply display shere arrogance. -Original Message- From: payco@googlegroups.com [mailto:pa...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Sent: 28 August 2009 12:38 PM To: payco@googlegroups.com; paycoofaza...@gmail.com Subject: [Fwd: [PAYCO] Re: dogmatism] Original Message Subject: [Fwd: [PAYCO] Re: dogmatism] From:kwamendeb...@webmail.co.za Date:Fri, August 28, 2009 11:44 To: -- Mr Narius Moloto, You never cease to disappoint me with your poor political understanding and childish behaviour. Your response on PAYCO's stance was poorly presented and lacked content. You are an embarassment to the party of intellectual giants and principled leaders. I did not want to entertain your gubbage but for the sake of young and new comrades who might be misdirected by your ill-concieved views let me address the following: 1.PAYCO no longer PAC structure I think you still need to be initiated on the constitution of the PAC,its culture and traditions. You sound like a man who have never seen or consulted PAC constitution and its founding documents. PAC component structures are constitutionally created and governed. The relations between PAC and its structure are regulated by constitution and conventional rules. No man including the President of the party can rename the structure or dissolve it just like that. PAYCO has to be consulted, engaged and convinced of any decision that affect it,in line with democratic centralism(which is the new concept to you). PAYCO has to agree and be part of the implementation of such a decision,if that is not the case then such a decision is in conflict with the Disciplinary Code and promotes factionalism and disunity. Since that detailed process was not followed to the letter,the decision to dissolve PAYCO and establish the so-called PAC youth leageu is null and void. To add salt on the wound be informed that the Cape Town Court Decision to reject the smuggled constitution and re-instating the original Constitution accordingly confirmed PAYCO as the only legitimate PAC youth component. Your actions and attacks on PAYCO are tantamount to contempt of court,you should know the consequences,if you don't get legal advice. 2.PAYCO captured by the enermy I am sure if you don't know what you are talking about. As far as I am concerned your enermies is PAC,Its Constitution,its Members,its Structues,its founding members and its supporters. It is you and your president who wanted to rename oue party New PAC,aping the New Labour Party in England(remember the Blomfontein Component Structures Summit), it is you and your President who smuggled the new anti-PAC constitution(thanks to courts it has been declared null and void),its you and your president who have stripped PAC die-hards and veterans party membership and embarrassed them over the media, its you and your president who undermine branches,suspend duly elected leaders and install stooges,its you guys who remove principled councillors and replace them with spineless stooge,it is you and your president who disband structures who refuse to serve you,(PAYCO and APLAMVA are a case in point). You are the real enermies of the PAC and we would fight you to the last bitter-end and we would emerge victorious as history is on our side. 3.Forum of reactionaries and enermy agents Can you define a reactionary and enermy agents? 4.Politically and Ideologically bankrupt Who are you trying to bluff,us or yourself? We have been offering your free political and ideological lessons over the past months,soon we would start charging you as you waste too much of our time and you are really slow learners. Non of you have engaged us on a political or ideological debate. this debate only takes place between PAYCO members. It would be asking too much to draw you on the ideological debates when you are still struggling on the
