RE: Free-For-All Friday
Initially, I thought this would be a good idea but after reading the posts I have to agree with Bruce and others who think it isn't. Since there are other lists providing this service I see no need to provide it here. Plus, if we provide it we'll just be diluting the audience for the other lists and that's not a good thing. This list serves a group of people who want to get information about how to make audio related products work and to learn about new ones. I think we'd be biting off more than we could reasonably chew to broaden our scope to this extent. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:06 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday Bruce, no, you're not the only one. There are lists for this purpose already. I think the introduction of this will be the point at which I unsubscribe. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2008 3:54 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday I'll probably be the only one who doesn't like the idea, and that's okay, it's not my list, but I just think there are so many such forums out there already, and people cross-post to all of them. If it's a dedicated forum for advertising podcasts and shows and so on, fine, great. But if five other lists allow it, and I'm a member of all five lists for various reasons, I have to read five copies of the ad.Plus, you're always goingto have thepeople who will post ads on other than the designated days,a nd then claim that they didn't know.Just my two cents' worth, and I'm sure I'll be overruled on this one, which is fine. bruce On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:02:57 -0400, albert griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I like the idea but I'd rather we don't allow people to promote the presentations of others. If we do this will become just another advertising outlet for developers and vendors. I'd like it to have a noncommercial texture. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dennis Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:52 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday i think this is a great idea. - Original Message - From: Steve Pattison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday I think this is a good idea but I'd like to see the idea extended slightly so people could let people on the list know of podcasts or online radio stations they find interesting even if the person mentioning the podcast or station isn't involved with that podcast or station. Regards Steve. From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org I know several list members who have podcasts and webcasts and there are probably many others who I do not know about. I've been trying to think of a way to help podcasters and webcasters promote their casts and came up with this idea. Maybe a couple times a month, say the first and third Friday of each month, we could have a free-for-all Friday when any list member could post a short concise message telling about their cast. I'm thinking posts could be made all day Friday UTC. I would send out a message to the list a few hours prior to the start of the Friday time period and explain that it is a free-for-all Friday and what UTC time would be in the United States and maybe other parts of the world. If I don't get too many complaints against doing this maybe we can try it this Friday, the thirteenth of June. Send complaints to: tom at pc dash audio dot org. If you want to copy and paste the e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Steve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows Live Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: steve1963 Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free-For-All Friday
Bruce, no, you're not the only one. There are lists for this purpose already. I think the introduction of this will be the point at which I unsubscribe. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2008 3:54 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday I'll probably be the only one who doesn't like the idea, and that's okay, it's not my list, but I just think there are so many such forums out there already, and people cross-post to all of them. If it's a dedicated forum for advertising podcasts and shows and so on, fine, great. But if five other lists allow it, and I'm a member of all five lists for various reasons, I have to read five copies of the ad.Plus, you're always goingto have thepeople who will post ads on other than the designated days,a nd then claim that they didn't know.Just my two cents' worth, and I'm sure I'll be overruled on this one, which is fine. bruce On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:02:57 -0400, albert griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I like the idea but I'd rather we don't allow people to promote the presentations of others. If we do this will become just another advertising outlet for developers and vendors. I'd like it to have a noncommercial texture. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dennis Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:52 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday i think this is a great idea. - Original Message - From: Steve Pattison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday I think this is a good idea but I'd like to see the idea extended slightly so people could let people on the list know of podcasts or online radio stations they find interesting even if the person mentioning the podcast or station isn't involved with that podcast or station. Regards Steve. From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org I know several list members who have podcasts and webcasts and there are probably many others who I do not know about. I've been trying to think of a way to help podcasters and webcasters promote their casts and came up with this idea. Maybe a couple times a month, say the first and third Friday of each month, we could have a free-for-all Friday when any list member could post a short concise message telling about their cast. I'm thinking posts could be made all day Friday UTC. I would send out a message to the list a few hours prior to the start of the Friday time period and explain that it is a free-for-all Friday and what UTC time would be in the United States and maybe other parts of the world. If I don't get too many complaints against doing this maybe we can try it this Friday, the thirteenth of June. Send complaints to: tom at pc dash audio dot org. If you want to copy and paste the e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Steve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows Live Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: steve1963 Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free-For-All Friday
Hi, I also think it's not the list for this. Just my thought's. -- Kevin Cussick E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: mm0tmg - Original Message - From: albert griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday Initially, I thought this would be a good idea but after reading the posts I have to agree with Bruce and others who think it isn't. Since there are other lists providing this service I see no need to provide it here. Plus, if we provide it we'll just be diluting the audience for the other lists and that's not a good thing. This list serves a group of people who want to get information about how to make audio related products work and to learn about new ones. I think we'd be biting off more than we could reasonably chew to broaden our scope to this extent. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:06 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday Bruce, no, you're not the only one. There are lists for this purpose already. I think the introduction of this will be the point at which I unsubscribe. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2008 3:54 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday I'll probably be the only one who doesn't like the idea, and that's okay, it's not my list, but I just think there are so many such forums out there already, and people cross-post to all of them. If it's a dedicated forum for advertising podcasts and shows and so on, fine, great. But if five other lists allow it, and I'm a member of all five lists for various reasons, I have to read five copies of the ad.Plus, you're always goingto have thepeople who will post ads on other than the designated days,a nd then claim that they didn't know.Just my two cents' worth, and I'm sure I'll be overruled on this one, which is fine. bruce On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:02:57 -0400, albert griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I like the idea but I'd rather we don't allow people to promote the presentations of others. If we do this will become just another advertising outlet for developers and vendors. I'd like it to have a noncommercial texture. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dennis Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:52 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday i think this is a great idea. - Original Message - From: Steve Pattison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday I think this is a good idea but I'd like to see the idea extended slightly so people could let people on the list know of podcasts or online radio stations they find interesting even if the person mentioning the podcast or station isn't involved with that podcast or station. Regards Steve. From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org I know several list members who have podcasts and webcasts and there are probably many others who I do not know about. I've been trying to think of a way to help podcasters and webcasters promote their casts and came up with this idea. Maybe a couple times a month, say the first and third Friday of each month, we could have a free-for-all Friday when any list member could post a short concise message telling about their cast. I'm thinking posts could be made all day Friday UTC. I would send out a message to the list a few hours prior to the start of the Friday time period and explain that it is a free-for-all Friday and what UTC time would be in the United States and maybe other parts of the world. If I don't get too many complaints against doing this maybe we can try it this Friday, the thirteenth of June. Send complaints to: tom at pc dash audio dot org. If you want to copy and paste the e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Steve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows Live Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: steve1963 Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and
Re: Free-For-All Friday
There is another thought that occurred to me: Particuarly as related to this Friday, you aren't likely to see as many postings as feared as, frankly, it's too late for the word to filter out all that much. So, who will post. Regular readers of this list who, for the most part, haven't PRed anything here over time. Give them their 10 seconds in the limelight before they return to their obscurity of their radio shows which, with few exceptions, no one cares much about them. To Jonathan and Bruce, who have had their hand in this kind of streaming, I am sure you guys have experienced the frustration of trying to get the word out of what you do and probably appreciated every opportunity presented to highlight it. It is good pr for Tom and this list. After all, so-called list rules aren't carved in stone and are guidelines rather than inflexible albatrosses. They are a roadmap, which thanks to the general co-operation of listers, work most of the time; and all Tom is suggesting is a slight one-day detour which could be viewed as a thank you to those who have not posted such notices as a thank you for not having posted. And, as a list is a community, while I might not actually care about these shows, it is an opportunity to learn a little more about the folks that make up this community. Solid lists have to have a community feel; and this is a means of creating such a feel. Take it from someone who got paid to run forums for CompuServe for over a decade: in the long-run, if you want a list to flourish, you have to create a community atmosphere where folks not only ask and answer questions but where also individuals learn about those who contribute as for answers to have value, you *must* know a bit about those who are posting those responses. View Friday as part of that community-building process and perhaps to all of our collective surprises, we may just discover something we might want to listen to or learn something valuable about someone on this list. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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High Mike, You hit the knell dead on the head when you said that. One list that I'm a member of, people post once to often their home brood radio streams. It has gotten to the point where I just delete them without even opening them to read them. That also happened a few times on this list too as well. But yes, once every now and then won't hurt anything. My best regards. John. - Original Message - From: Mike Pietruk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday Let me make another suggestion after reflecting on Bruce's and Jonathan's comments. First, let me say I have about as much interest in reading about personal broadcasts as taking a vacation into the eye of a category 5 hurricane. i could care less as I don't have an interest in homebrew internet radio as there is already plenty of mainstream streams out there. Having said this, and as Friday the 13th is a rather rare occasion, let's try this on Friday and see just what happens. After Friday, Tom can sit back and evaluate the results -- how many posts, how many negative ones posted publicly and privately, how many thank yous both ways, and all the rest. And see if it has a positive or negative impact on postings down the road. Maybe twice a month is too much, but maybe a few times a year (such as on Fridays the 13th might make sense. While this kind of posting has no interest to me, there are people out there that do value this kind of stuff. Bruce and Jonathan are right that there are other lists for this kind of thing; but, on the other hand, not everyone either knows about those lists or would care to be bombarded by the incessant repeats week after week of the same thing. These shows, whatever we think of them, are a part of the world of pc audio and show casing them for a day or so will hurt no one especially if we can code the subject lines. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free-For-All Friday
There should be a list for broadcasters, as such to advertise their shows, but it shouldn't be this one. If it becomes this one, here's another who will unsubscribe. Curtis Delzer At 06:21 AM 6/11/2008, you wrote: Hi, I also think it's not the list for this. Just my thought's. -- Kevin Cussick E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: mm0tmg - Original Message - From: albert griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday Initially, I thought this would be a good idea but after reading the posts I have to agree with Bruce and others who think it isn't. Since there are other lists providing this service I see no need to provide it here. Plus, if we provide it we'll just be diluting the audience for the other lists and that's not a good thing. This list serves a group of people who want to get information about how to make audio related products work and to learn about new ones. I think we'd be biting off more than we could reasonably chew to broaden our scope to this extent. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 5:06 AM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday Bruce, no, you're not the only one. There are lists for this purpose already. I think the introduction of this will be the point at which I unsubscribe. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2008 3:54 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday I'll probably be the only one who doesn't like the idea, and that's okay, it's not my list, but I just think there are so many such forums out there already, and people cross-post to all of them. If it's a dedicated forum for advertising podcasts and shows and so on, fine, great. But if five other lists allow it, and I'm a member of all five lists for various reasons, I have to read five copies of the ad.Plus, you're always goingto have thepeople who will post ads on other than the designated days,a nd then claim that they didn't know.Just my two cents' worth, and I'm sure I'll be overruled on this one, which is fine. bruce On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:02:57 -0400, albert griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I like the idea but I'd rather we don't allow people to promote the presentations of others. If we do this will become just another advertising outlet for developers and vendors. I'd like it to have a noncommercial texture. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dennis Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:52 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday i think this is a great idea. - Original Message - From: Steve Pattison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday I think this is a good idea but I'd like to see the idea extended slightly so people could let people on the list know of podcasts or online radio stations they find interesting even if the person mentioning the podcast or station isn't involved with that podcast or station. Regards Steve. From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org I know several list members who have podcasts and webcasts and there are probably many others who I do not know about. I've been trying to think of a way to help podcasters and webcasters promote their casts and came up with this idea. Maybe a couple times a month, say the first and third Friday of each month, we could have a free-for-all Friday when any list member could post a short concise message telling about their cast. I'm thinking posts could be made all day Friday UTC. I would send out a message to the list a few hours prior to the start of the Friday time period and explain that it is a free-for-all Friday and what UTC time would be in the United States and maybe other parts of the world. If I don't get too many complaints against doing this maybe we can try it this Friday, the thirteenth of June. Send complaints to: tom at pc dash audio dot org. If you want to copy and paste the e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Steve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows Live Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: steve1963 Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To
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Hi all, I don't think this is the list for this discussion but it's only my thought's. But if it goes ahead I will also unsubscribe. -- Kevin Cussick E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: mm0tmg Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bruce, Jonathan and all. As a pretty regular podcaster, I have to come down very heavily on your side of this issue. Jeff Bishop and others have lists for advertising of podcasts, and I do not believe this should be the purpose of this particular list. It has not reallly ever been encouraged or even allowed in many cases, nor should it be. I thought this list was for the discussion of things audio- related, not a place to promote something that can surely be promoted on lists created strictly for that purpose, such as the blindcasting list. It is at freelists, so it is very simple to subscribe. That list is for all things podcasting, including the promotion of same. Thanks for reading, and please do not allow advertising on this list. Did I say please? On Jun 11, 2008, at 4:05 AM, Jonathan Mosen wrote: Bruce, no, you're not the only one. There are lists for this purpose already. I think the introduction of this will be the point at which I unsubscribe. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ] On Behalf Of Bruce Toews Sent: Wednesday, 11 June 2008 3:54 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday I'll probably be the only one who doesn't like the idea, and that's okay, it's not my list, but I just think there are so many such forums out there already, and people cross-post to all of them. If it's a dedicated forum for advertising podcasts and shows and so on, fine, great. But if five other lists allow it, and I'm a member of all five lists for various reasons, I have to read five copies of the ad.Plus, you're always goingto have thepeople who will post ads on other than the designated days,a nd then claim that they didn't know.Just my two cents' worth, and I'm sure I'll be overruled on this one, which is fine. bruce On Tue, 10 Jun 2008 10:02:57 -0400, albert griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: I like the idea but I'd rather we don't allow people to promote the presentations of others. If we do this will become just another advertising outlet for developers and vendors. I'd like it to have a noncommercial texture. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of dennis Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 9:52 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday i think this is a great idea. - Original Message - From: Steve Pattison [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday I think this is a good idea but I'd like to see the idea extended slightly so people could let people on the list know of podcasts or online radio stations they find interesting even if the person mentioning the podcast or station isn't involved with that podcast or station. Regards Steve. From: Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org I know several list members who have podcasts and webcasts and there are probably many others who I do not know about. I've been trying to think of a way to help podcasters and webcasters promote their casts and came up with this idea. Maybe a couple times a month, say the first and third Friday of each month, we could have a free-for-all Friday when any list member could post a short concise message telling about their cast. I'm thinking posts could be made all day Friday UTC. I would send out a message to the list a few hours prior to the start of the Friday time period and explain that it is a free-for-all Friday and what UTC time would be in the United States and maybe other parts of the world. If I don't get too many complaints against doing this maybe we can try it this Friday, the thirteenth of June. Send complaints to: tom at pc dash audio dot org. If you want to copy and paste the e-mail address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Regards Steve Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Windows Live Messenger: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype: steve1963 Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Shane Jackson Vestavia Hills, Alabama, USA. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Skype ID: cadal728 Twitter: jack728 Audio List Help, Guidelines,
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I think Mike has offered a rational approach here. A suggestion has been offered and trying it once seems reasonable enough. Like Mike, I really have no interest in the topic, but I recognize that others may. It seems to me that unsubscribing from the list over this issue might be just a tad extreme, premature at the very least. But if that is what works for you, it's your right. Personally though, the one thing that might convince me to unsubscribe is if I have to read one more threat to um... unsubscribe. *grin* Larry Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think Mike has offered a rational approach here. A suggestion has been offered and trying it once seems reasonable enough. Like Mike, I really have no interest in the topic, but I recognize that others may. It seems to me that unsubscribing from the list over this issue might be just a tad extreme, premature at the very least. But if that is what works for you, it's your right. Personally though, the one thing that might convince me to unsubscribe is if I have to read one more threat to um... unsubscribe. *grin* Larry Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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I think Mike has offered a rational approach. A suggestion has been offered and trying it once seems reasonable enough. Like Mike, I really have no interest in the topic, but I recognize that others may. It seems to me that unsubscribing from the list over this issue might be just a tad extreme. Personally, the one thing that might convince me to unsubscribe is if I have to read one more threat to um... unsubscribe. Larry Larry Naessens Vinyl Trans4mations A Division of Jalana Enterprises Bradford, Ontario Phone: 905 918 0658 Vinyl Trans4mations, a Burn Above the Rest At Vinyl Trans4mations, we turn old records and tapes into brand new CDs that you can listen to for a lifetime. Visit us at www.vinylguycafe.com. We welcome all of your enquiries by phone or email. Before sending us your media, please contact us for important shipping instructions. - Original Message - From: Mike Pietruk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday Let me make another suggestion after reflecting on Bruce's and Jonathan's comments. First, let me say I have about as much interest in reading about personal broadcasts as taking a vacation into the eye of a category 5 hurricane. i could care less as I don't have an interest in homebrew internet radio as there is already plenty of mainstream streams out there. Having said this, and as Friday the 13th is a rather rare occasion, let's try this on Friday and see just what happens. After Friday, Tom can sit back and evaluate the results -- how many posts, how many negative ones posted publicly and privately, how many thank yous both ways, and all the rest. And see if it has a positive or negative impact on postings down the road. Maybe twice a month is too much, but maybe a few times a year (such as on Fridays the 13th might make sense. While this kind of posting has no interest to me, there are people out there that do value this kind of stuff. Bruce and Jonathan are right that there are other lists for this kind of thing; but, on the other hand, not everyone either knows about those lists or would care to be bombarded by the incessant repeats week after week of the same thing. These shows, whatever we think of them, are a part of the world of pc audio and show casing them for a day or so will hurt no one especially if we can code the subject lines. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free-For-All Friday
I believe there is much on the internet that would be good for us to know about and this is but one of those areas. I just don't think this list should be the showcase for it. I enjoy this list because it has relatively low traffic and I can get answers to my audio related questions from knowledgeable people. To stray from that would diminish the lists value to me. Allowing this stuff on special days or for trial periods is just a compromise not worth making. It might be good to point people in the direction of those list where this material is advertised. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:16 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday Let me make another suggestion after reflecting on Bruce's and Jonathan's comments. First, let me say I have about as much interest in reading about personal broadcasts as taking a vacation into the eye of a category 5 hurricane. i could care less as I don't have an interest in homebrew internet radio as there is already plenty of mainstream streams out there. Having said this, and as Friday the 13th is a rather rare occasion, let's try this on Friday and see just what happens. After Friday, Tom can sit back and evaluate the results -- how many posts, how many negative ones posted publicly and privately, how many thank yous both ways, and all the rest. And see if it has a positive or negative impact on postings down the road. Maybe twice a month is too much, but maybe a few times a year (such as on Fridays the 13th might make sense. While this kind of posting has no interest to me, there are people out there that do value this kind of stuff. Bruce and Jonathan are right that there are other lists for this kind of thing; but, on the other hand, not everyone either knows about those lists or would care to be bombarded by the incessant repeats week after week of the same thing. These shows, whatever we think of them, are a part of the world of pc audio and show casing them for a day or so will hurt no one especially if we can code the subject lines. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Apology
When attempting to post in the Free For All Fiday thread, Outlook Express told me half a dozen times that my message had not been sent due to an error, when in fact it was sent each time. I'm not sure what's up with that, but I am sorry for annoying you with all the reruns. . Larry Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free-For-All Friday
Hi Larry, I don't think anyone is threatening anyone with anything. If a list no longer meets one's needs, it's perfectly appropriate to leave that list. As the discussion is about whether a change in the direction of the list is a good idea, those who believe that such a change would mean that the list no longer meets their needs are just as entitled to express a view as are those who believe it's a good idea. I already subscribe to a number of lists that exist exclusively for this purpose. One such list is streamad. [EMAIL PROTECTED] In fact, Streamad was founded in response to too many promotional posts on the PC-Audio list, which I founded back in 1998. I am a member of this list to read about tips and tricks regarding audio on the PC. That is at this point its purpose, and it is that which interests me. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Naessens Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2008 4:30 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday I think Mike has offered a rational approach here. A suggestion has been offered and trying it once seems reasonable enough. Like Mike, I really have no interest in the topic, but I recognize that others may. It seems to me that unsubscribing from the list over this issue might be just a tad extreme, premature at the very least. But if that is what works for you, it's your right. Personally though, the one thing that might convince me to unsubscribe is if I have to read one more threat to um... unsubscribe. *grin* Larry Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free-For-All Friday
Mike, you said hosting the advertising would help the list grow. Big isn't necessarily better. We have all seen lists grow too big even though they were good at the time we unsubscribed because there was just too much traffic for us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:59 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday Hi Larry, I don't think anyone is threatening anyone with anything. If a list no longer meets one's needs, it's perfectly appropriate to leave that list. As the discussion is about whether a change in the direction of the list is a good idea, those who believe that such a change would mean that the list no longer meets their needs are just as entitled to express a view as are those who believe it's a good idea. I already subscribe to a number of lists that exist exclusively for this purpose. One such list is streamad. [EMAIL PROTECTED] In fact, Streamad was founded in response to too many promotional posts on the PC-Audio list, which I founded back in 1998. I am a member of this list to read about tips and tricks regarding audio on the PC. That is at this point its purpose, and it is that which interests me. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Naessens Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2008 4:30 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday I think Mike has offered a rational approach here. A suggestion has been offered and trying it once seems reasonable enough. Like Mike, I really have no interest in the topic, but I recognize that others may. It seems to me that unsubscribing from the list over this issue might be just a tad extreme, premature at the very least. But if that is what works for you, it's your right. Personally though, the one thing that might convince me to unsubscribe is if I have to read one more threat to um... unsubscribe. *grin* Larry Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free-For-All Friday
I think Mike has offered a rational approach here. A suggestion has been offered and trying it once seems reasonable enough. Like Mike, I really have no interest in the topic, but I recognize that others may. It seems to me that unsubscribing from the list over this issue might be just a tad extreme, premature at the very least. But if that is what works for you, it's your right. Personally though, the one thing that might convince me to unsubscribe is if I have to read one more threat to um... unsubscribe. *grin* Larry Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free-For-All Friday
I think Mike has offered a rational approach here. A suggestion has been offered and trying it once seems reasonable enough. Like Mike, I really have no interest in the topic, but I recognize that others may. It seems to me that unsubscribing from the list over this issue might be just a tad extreme, premature at the very least. But if that is what works for you, it's your right. Personally though, the one thing that might convince me to unsubscribe is if I have to read one more threat to um... unsubscribe. *grin* Larry Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free-For-All Friday
I'm in full agreement with Jonathan on this one. There's no threat, either expressed or implied. One stays on, or leaves, a list, depending on one's needs and preferences. Bruce On Thu, 12 Jun 2008 04:58:57 +1200, Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Hi Larry, I don't think anyone is threatening anyone with anything. If a list no longer meets one's needs, it's perfectly appropriate to leave that list. As the discussion is about whether a change in the direction of the list is a good idea, those who believe that such a change would mean that the list no longer meets their needs are just as entitled to express a view as are those who believe it's a good idea. I already subscribe to a number of lists that exist exclusively for this purpose. One such list is streamad. [EMAIL PROTECTED] In fact, Streamad was founded in response to too many promotional posts on the PC-Audio list, which I founded back in 1998. I am a member of this list to read about tips and tricks regarding audio on the PC. That is at this point its purpose, and it is that which interests me. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Naessens Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2008 4:30 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday I think Mike has offered a rational approach here. A suggestion has been offered and trying it once seems reasonable enough. Like Mike, I really have no interest in the topic, but I recognize that others may. It seems to me that unsubscribing from the list over this issue might be just a tad extreme, premature at the very least. But if that is what works for you, it's your right. Personally though, the one thing that might convince me to unsubscribe is if I have to read one more threat to um... unsubscribe. *grin* Larry Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Bruce Toews [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free-For-All Friday
There will be no change to the rules and guidelines for the pc audio list. Thanks to all for your thoughtful and enlightening comments. I actually aggree with most of the posts thinking that an e-mail list should be rather restrictive in the content that is permitted. I'll explain my reasoning below for making the suggestion if anyone is interested in reading it. Otherwise, go to the next message. A week or so ago there were a few comments posted to the list about a piece of software that was no longer going to be accessible with a screen reader. Shortly after reading those posts I listened to the May issue of FS Cast and was amazed what all Jonathan was doing with the PAC Mate Omni. I got to thinking, and me thinking is a problem in itself, this is something any blind person who is the least bit interested in audio and computers should hear. I'm sure those podcasts have more listeners than this list has members, but there might be members of this list who aren't aware of that podcast. Likewise, there are other podcasts that I think are extremely helpful in teaching and demonstrating a lot of accessible hardware and software and perhaps a few list members would find them of interest. I think sometimes, we emphasize too much the negative and forget the positives of accessibility. Thanks again, Tom Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free-For-All Friday
Hi I also think that pointing people to the other lists for this purpose is the way to go here. It seems to me that that's why those lists exist so why not? Yes it can be argued that podcasts are audio related, but if there are lists for the purpose of advertising them, why not just post that stuff there? The adds wouldn't really bother me, but I know it does a lot of other folks so that seems like a good compromise. At 12:44 PM 6/11/2008, you wrote: I believe there is much on the internet that would be good for us to know about and this is but one of those areas. I just don't think this list should be the showcase for it. I enjoy this list because it has relatively low traffic and I can get answers to my audio related questions from knowledgeable people. To stray from that would diminish the lists value to me. Allowing this stuff on special days or for trial periods is just a compromise not worth making. It might be good to point people in the direction of those list where this material is advertised. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:16 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday Let me make another suggestion after reflecting on Bruce's and Jonathan's comments. First, let me say I have about as much interest in reading about personal broadcasts as taking a vacation into the eye of a category 5 hurricane. i could care less as I don't have an interest in homebrew internet radio as there is already plenty of mainstream streams out there. Having said this, and as Friday the 13th is a rather rare occasion, let's try this on Friday and see just what happens. After Friday, Tom can sit back and evaluate the results -- how many posts, how many negative ones posted publicly and privately, how many thank yous both ways, and all the rest. And see if it has a positive or negative impact on postings down the road. Maybe twice a month is too much, but maybe a few times a year (such as on Fridays the 13th might make sense. While this kind of posting has no interest to me, there are people out there that do value this kind of stuff. Bruce and Jonathan are right that there are other lists for this kind of thing; but, on the other hand, not everyone either knows about those lists or would care to be bombarded by the incessant repeats week after week of the same thing. These shows, whatever we think of them, are a part of the world of pc audio and show casing them for a day or so will hurt no one especially if we can code the subject lines. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3178 (20080611) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free-For-All Friday
I would never threaten to unsubscribe but I can't see where allowing this kind of advertising for a day is going to do much but cause me to mass delete material I receive on that Friday. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Naessens Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:22 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday I think Mike has offered a rational approach. A suggestion has been offered and trying it once seems reasonable enough. Like Mike, I really have no interest in the topic, but I recognize that others may. It seems to me that unsubscribing from the list over this issue might be just a tad extreme. Personally, the one thing that might convince me to unsubscribe is if I have to read one more threat to um... unsubscribe. Larry Larry Naessens Vinyl Trans4mations A Division of Jalana Enterprises Bradford, Ontario Phone: 905 918 0658 Vinyl Trans4mations, a Burn Above the Rest At Vinyl Trans4mations, we turn old records and tapes into brand new CDs that you can listen to for a lifetime. Visit us at www.vinylguycafe.com. We welcome all of your enquiries by phone or email. Before sending us your media, please contact us for important shipping instructions. - Original Message - From: Mike Pietruk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday Let me make another suggestion after reflecting on Bruce's and Jonathan's comments. First, let me say I have about as much interest in reading about personal broadcasts as taking a vacation into the eye of a category 5 hurricane. i could care less as I don't have an interest in homebrew internet radio as there is already plenty of mainstream streams out there. Having said this, and as Friday the 13th is a rather rare occasion, let's try this on Friday and see just what happens. After Friday, Tom can sit back and evaluate the results -- how many posts, how many negative ones posted publicly and privately, how many thank yous both ways, and all the rest. And see if it has a positive or negative impact on postings down the road. Maybe twice a month is too much, but maybe a few times a year (such as on Fridays the 13th might make sense. While this kind of posting has no interest to me, there are people out there that do value this kind of stuff. Bruce and Jonathan are right that there are other lists for this kind of thing; but, on the other hand, not everyone either knows about those lists or would care to be bombarded by the incessant repeats week after week of the same thing. These shows, whatever we think of them, are a part of the world of pc audio and show casing them for a day or so will hurt no one especially if we can code the subject lines. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free-For-All Friday
Tom I think we need to distinguish between informational podcasts and programs from those geared at entertainment only (music shows come to mind in this latter category). Most of the objections seem directed at this last type of promotion which, needless to say, is the most prevalent kinds of announcements seen on the ad lists. Can anyone suggest a source for this kind of news that doesn't carry the kind of baggage that bothers most folks. Or perhaps a slight revision of Pc-Audio guidelines might take care of that. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free-For-All Friday
Albert Right, bigger isn't better; but what is better is having to draw from a wider array of individuals when opinions or suggestions are sought. I am guessing, based on what I am reading here, is that twice a month is probably too much; but a few times a year, such as Friday the 13ths or quarterly, probably wouldn't overtax the list. I get the sense that Tom is trying to think out of the box unlike some 2nd or 3rd generation list owners, who reflexively say that's the way it always was and, hence, must be. Well, my study of the Bible has not let me to find any mandated rules or precepts for any given email list meaning that, as they were created by man, man is free to change them as seen fit. And, oh yes, an owner can do whatever they wish with their lists as on topic is a relative term which an owner can make as broad or narrow as desired. Of course, if list recipients don't agree with the owner's approach, the owner may have his list (with his beloved rules) but no posts. Tom, in this instance, has not suggested the changing of guidelines on a permanent basis. What he has suggested is trying, at least on a one day basis, something different which may or may not work. I can see folks reacting negatively if this was to be a permanent change of direction. No where do I see this being advocated here. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi tom, let me say that as the founder of this list, I am really glad you are looking after it. It's a thankless task. I also think it's a credit to you that you sound people out for their views on these sorts of issues. I'd like to suggest that there is a difference between free for all advertising of podcasts and streams, and the mentioning of PC-Audio related streams or podcasts in context. For example, I think someone posted here about the recent main menu broadcast on MP3 players. To me, such a post is perfectly appropriate, since it directs people to additional info on matters pertaining to the subject matter of this list. Similarly, I think in response to someone's question about iTunes on here a while back, I directed people to the January FSCast. Similarly, I think the may FSCast would indeed be of real interest to people on here. To be honest I just forgot to mention it here. Petro often mentions his podcasts on Replay AV, and that's right on topic too in my opinion. This, to me, is all good stuff. What I think would detract from the list is everyone being able to write in to say, come and listen to my podcast where I've done a sound seeing tour of my dentist's waiting room or whatever. So to me, if the subject matter of a stream or podcast is of the kind that would be considered on topic for this list, it is worth a one-off mention. Thanks for your work on the list and keep up the great work. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2008 5:36 a.m. To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday There will be no change to the rules and guidelines for the pc audio list. Thanks to all for your thoughtful and enlightening comments. I actually aggree with most of the posts thinking that an e-mail list should be rather restrictive in the content that is permitted. I'll explain my reasoning below for making the suggestion if anyone is interested in reading it. Otherwise, go to the next message. A week or so ago there were a few comments posted to the list about a piece of software that was no longer going to be accessible with a screen reader. Shortly after reading those posts I listened to the May issue of FS Cast and was amazed what all Jonathan was doing with the PAC Mate Omni. I got to thinking, and me thinking is a problem in itself, this is something any blind person who is the least bit interested in audio and computers should hear. I'm sure those podcasts have more listeners than this list has members, but there might be members of this list who aren't aware of that podcast. Likewise, there are other podcasts that I think are extremely helpful in teaching and demonstrating a lot of accessible hardware and software and perhaps a few list members would find them of interest. I think sometimes, we emphasize too much the negative and forget the positives of accessibility. Thanks again, Tom Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Jonathan, Please be assured that I agree. It is appropriate for any group member to leave any group at any time that he or she wishes. My post was a bit of a tongue in cheek response to the repeticious I'll leave the group posts. It represented my thoughts after looking in on the group and seeing that every single post available to me weighed in on this one topic. Are such posts of any more value than broadcast promos from other members? To me, they are not. To me, advisories stating that one may wish to leave the group might be more appropriately directed to the moderator. Of course, as always, your mileage may vary. Larry Larry Naessens Vinyl Trans4mations A Division of Jalana Enterprises Bradford, Ontario Phone: 905 918 0658 Vinyl Trans4mations, a Burn Above the Rest At Vinyl Trans4mations, we turn old records and tapes into brand new CDs that you can listen to for a lifetime. Visit us at www.vinylguycafe.com. We welcome all of your enquiries by phone or email. Before sending us your media, please contact us for important shipping instructions. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:58 PM Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday Hi Larry, I don't think anyone is threatening anyone with anything. If a list no longer meets one's needs, it's perfectly appropriate to leave that list. As the discussion is about whether a change in the direction of the list is a good idea, those who believe that such a change would mean that the list no longer meets their needs are just as entitled to express a view as are those who believe it's a good idea. I already subscribe to a number of lists that exist exclusively for this purpose. One such list is streamad. [EMAIL PROTECTED] In fact, Streamad was founded in response to too many promotional posts on the PC-Audio list, which I founded back in 1998. I am a member of this list to read about tips and tricks regarding audio on the PC. That is at this point its purpose, and it is that which interests me. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Naessens Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2008 4:30 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday I think Mike has offered a rational approach here. A suggestion has been offered and trying it once seems reasonable enough. Like Mike, I really have no interest in the topic, but I recognize that others may. It seems to me that unsubscribing from the list over this issue might be just a tad extreme, premature at the very least. But if that is what works for you, it's your right. Personally though, the one thing that might convince me to unsubscribe is if I have to read one more threat to um... unsubscribe. *grin* Larry Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
peculiar problem.
Hi all! I need someone who really knows about audio editing to take a crack at this one. Old condition, new computer: normalize a one hour and thirty minute file: fifty seconds. now, about 10 months later, almost three minutes. I unload scanners, have defragged, un-installed diskeeper, since it would go into it's auto-defragging mode when it thought I wasn't doing something and screw up recordings, so, bye bye! What else can I do? All conditions the same, ... same chip, same OS, same 1Gig memory, (xp home). Please, it would save me an inordinate amount of time is someone could help me solve this one. We're talking almost a 3 to one ratio of time. Program, Sound Forge 8, (or 9, about the same amount of time). ..c Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free-For-All Friday
PC audio is a specialty within a specialty, so it would be smaller than overall technology, like blind_tech. This list should be consistent with discussing audio newcomers problems and experienced audio engineers, so the traffic isn't too much to discourage the old hand from hanging around to help the newcomer. If I had to wade through advertising about shows, where people show off their talents at whatever, e.g. presenting the sounds of the eighties, or oldies, or new songs, or even discussion about technology, I could look for a podcast or cruise for some such via other methods, not here, please. :) Curtis Delzer At 12:05 PM 6/11/2008, you wrote: Mike, you said hosting the advertising would help the list grow. Big isn't necessarily better. We have all seen lists grow too big even though they were good at the time we unsubscribed because there was just too much traffic for us. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Mosen Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 12:59 PM To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday Hi Larry, I don't think anyone is threatening anyone with anything. If a list no longer meets one's needs, it's perfectly appropriate to leave that list. As the discussion is about whether a change in the direction of the list is a good idea, those who believe that such a change would mean that the list no longer meets their needs are just as entitled to express a view as are those who believe it's a good idea. I already subscribe to a number of lists that exist exclusively for this purpose. One such list is streamad. [EMAIL PROTECTED] In fact, Streamad was founded in response to too many promotional posts on the PC-Audio list, which I founded back in 1998. I am a member of this list to read about tips and tricks regarding audio on the PC. That is at this point its purpose, and it is that which interests me. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Larry Naessens Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2008 4:30 a.m. To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday I think Mike has offered a rational approach here. A suggestion has been offered and trying it once seems reasonable enough. Like Mike, I really have no interest in the topic, but I recognize that others may. It seems to me that unsubscribing from the list over this issue might be just a tad extreme, premature at the very least. But if that is what works for you, it's your right. Personally though, the one thing that might convince me to unsubscribe is if I have to read one more threat to um... unsubscribe. *grin* Larry Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free-For-All Friday
Jonathan That's exactly the kind of distinction I would like made. The kinds of things you and Petro do are invaluable to folks today (or down the road) in aiding us to gain more out of pc-audio whereas someone's weekly plug for their oldies show of 1956 or that beloved tour of their apartment, well who really cares. Certainly, Dean Martineau's Weekly TopTechTidbits Newsletter has done a good job of alerting folks to such things; but more venues for this info, on a timely basis, is needed. This is the type of thing where a list such as this can shine. I see the rationale of discouraging such postings. Perhaps such announcements ought to be sent to the moderator who, if he felt they warranted a mention, would repost them. Perhaps something else is workable. wWe need to encourage those that take the time to do such work be it on their own or at the behest of their employer. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free-For-All Friday
Mike, are you volunteering to host a list devoted to informational podcasts? smile -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 3:11 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday Jonathan That's exactly the kind of distinction I would like made. The kinds of things you and Petro do are invaluable to folks today (or down the road) in aiding us to gain more out of pc-audio whereas someone's weekly plug for their oldies show of 1956 or that beloved tour of their apartment, well who really cares. Certainly, Dean Martineau's Weekly TopTechTidbits Newsletter has done a good job of alerting folks to such things; but more venues for this info, on a timely basis, is needed. This is the type of thing where a list such as this can shine. I see the rationale of discouraging such postings. Perhaps such announcements ought to be sent to the moderator who, if he felt they warranted a mention, would repost them. Perhaps something else is workable. wWe need to encourage those that take the time to do such work be it on their own or at the behest of their employer. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Free-For-All Friday
I believe the ist is perfect in its present configuration. Anything added or taken away would make it a worse product. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mike Pietruk Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:57 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday Albert Right, bigger isn't better; but what is better is having to draw from a wider array of individuals when opinions or suggestions are sought. I am guessing, based on what I am reading here, is that twice a month is probably too much; but a few times a year, such as Friday the 13ths or quarterly, probably wouldn't overtax the list. I get the sense that Tom is trying to think out of the box unlike some 2nd or 3rd generation list owners, who reflexively say that's the way it always was and, hence, must be. Well, my study of the Bible has not let me to find any mandated rules or precepts for any given email list meaning that, as they were created by man, man is free to change them as seen fit. And, oh yes, an owner can do whatever they wish with their lists as on topic is a relative term which an owner can make as broad or narrow as desired. Of course, if list recipients don't agree with the owner's approach, the owner may have his list (with his beloved rules) but no posts. Tom, in this instance, has not suggested the changing of guidelines on a permanent basis. What he has suggested is trying, at least on a one day basis, something different which may or may not work. I can see folks reacting negatively if this was to be a permanent change of direction. No where do I see this being advocated here. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free-For-All Friday
Hi, I've yet to weigh in on this topic but I'll give you my thoughts now. If it has anything to do with audio related matters and programs that provide us with ways and means of doing things with audio and such by all means that works. As for podcasts talking about touring my living space, my moldy oldies show, or my day in the dentist chair; puh lease spare me and the rest of us. Tony - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday Hi tom, let me say that as the founder of this list, I am really glad you are looking after it. It's a thankless task. I also think it's a credit to you that you sound people out for their views on these sorts of issues. I'd like to suggest that there is a difference between free for all advertising of podcasts and streams, and the mentioning of PC-Audio related streams or podcasts in context. For example, I think someone posted here about the recent main menu broadcast on MP3 players. To me, such a post is perfectly appropriate, since it directs people to additional info on matters pertaining to the subject matter of this list. Similarly, I think in response to someone's question about iTunes on here a while back, I directed people to the January FSCast. Similarly, I think the may FSCast would indeed be of real interest to people on here. To be honest I just forgot to mention it here. Petro often mentions his podcasts on Replay AV, and that's right on topic too in my opinion. This, to me, is all good stuff. What I think would detract from the list is everyone being able to write in to say, come and listen to my podcast where I've done a sound seeing tour of my dentist's waiting room or whatever. So to me, if the subject matter of a stream or podcast is of the kind that would be considered on topic for this list, it is worth a one-off mention. Thanks for your work on the list and keep up the great work. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2008 5:36 a.m. To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday There will be no change to the rules and guidelines for the pc audio list. Thanks to all for your thoughtful and enlightening comments. I actually aggree with most of the posts thinking that an e-mail list should be rather restrictive in the content that is permitted. I'll explain my reasoning below for making the suggestion if anyone is interested in reading it. Otherwise, go to the next message. A week or so ago there were a few comments posted to the list about a piece of software that was no longer going to be accessible with a screen reader. Shortly after reading those posts I listened to the May issue of FS Cast and was amazed what all Jonathan was doing with the PAC Mate Omni. I got to thinking, and me thinking is a problem in itself, this is something any blind person who is the least bit interested in audio and computers should hear. I'm sure those podcasts have more listeners than this list has members, but there might be members of this list who aren't aware of that podcast. Likewise, there are other podcasts that I think are extremely helpful in teaching and demonstrating a lot of accessible hardware and software and perhaps a few list members would find them of interest. I think sometimes, we emphasize too much the negative and forget the positives of accessibility. Thanks again, Tom Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.2.0/1497 - Release Date: 6/11/2008 8:32 AM Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Free-For-All Friday
I agree completely. I made an assumption that when we were talking about podcasts and other homemade broadcasts that we were talking about audio related topics. Those are the only such announcements that would intrest me. My mistake for believing that was what would be allowed to a greater degree and perhaps with a slightly broader range. I have no interest in anyone's tour of their dentist's office or in any other non media related podcast. Come to think of it, I have to psych myself up before visiting my own dentist's office. Larry Larry Naessens Vinyl Trans4mations A Division of Jalana Enterprises Bradford, Ontario Phone: 905 918 0658 Vinyl Trans4mations, a Burn Above the Rest At Vinyl Trans4mations, we turn old records and tapes into brand new CDs that you can listen to for a lifetime. Visit us at www.vinylguycafe.com. We welcome all of your enquiries by phone or email. Before sending us your media, please contact us for important shipping instructions. - Original Message - From: Jonathan Mosen [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: RE: Free-For-All Friday Hi tom, let me say that as the founder of this list, I am really glad you are looking after it. It's a thankless task. I also think it's a credit to you that you sound people out for their views on these sorts of issues. I'd like to suggest that there is a difference between free for all advertising of podcasts and streams, and the mentioning of PC-Audio related streams or podcasts in context. For example, I think someone posted here about the recent main menu broadcast on MP3 players. To me, such a post is perfectly appropriate, since it directs people to additional info on matters pertaining to the subject matter of this list. Similarly, I think in response to someone's question about iTunes on here a while back, I directed people to the January FSCast. Similarly, I think the may FSCast would indeed be of real interest to people on here. To be honest I just forgot to mention it here. Petro often mentions his podcasts on Replay AV, and that's right on topic too in my opinion. This, to me, is all good stuff. What I think would detract from the list is everyone being able to write in to say, come and listen to my podcast where I've done a sound seeing tour of my dentist's waiting room or whatever. So to me, if the subject matter of a stream or podcast is of the kind that would be considered on topic for this list, it is worth a one-off mention. Thanks for your work on the list and keep up the great work. Jonathan -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Sent: Thursday, 12 June 2008 5:36 a.m. To: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Re: Free-For-All Friday There will be no change to the rules and guidelines for the pc audio list. Thanks to all for your thoughtful and enlightening comments. I actually aggree with most of the posts thinking that an e-mail list should be rather restrictive in the content that is permitted. I'll explain my reasoning below for making the suggestion if anyone is interested in reading it. Otherwise, go to the next message. A week or so ago there were a few comments posted to the list about a piece of software that was no longer going to be accessible with a screen reader. Shortly after reading those posts I listened to the May issue of FS Cast and was amazed what all Jonathan was doing with the PAC Mate Omni. I got to thinking, and me thinking is a problem in itself, this is something any blind person who is the least bit interested in audio and computers should hear. I'm sure those podcasts have more listeners than this list has members, but there might be members of this list who aren't aware of that podcast. Likewise, there are other podcasts that I think are extremely helpful in teaching and demonstrating a lot of accessible hardware and software and perhaps a few list members would find them of interest. I think sometimes, we emphasize too much the negative and forget the positives of accessibility. Thanks again, Tom Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
The Baringer USB Zoom 2H Z Podcasting Kit questions
Hi All, Here are a few questions regarding the podcasting kint mentioned in the subject. 1. Does anyone know of a very detailed tutorial/walk through discription of using the The Baringer USB Zoom 2H Z Podcasting Kit? I checked out blind cool tech site and a person named Neil was mentioned in Christian's podcast and I'd like to find that podcast. 2. Does one need to buy the zoom and podcast separate or does all this comein one package? 3. Please share any good/bad experiences you've had with the device. I am considering buying one to use in class as a tool for students to learn how to create podcast. 4. Christian's podcast mentioned the unit cost 80 pounds in the UUK. What is the transfer rate as of today, June 11, 2008? Thanks for any help in advance. Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
