Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
I can't find it on Comcast, unless I'm not doing something right! - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Actually, Dave happened to be telling the truth. There used to be DVS on Dishnet for some channels. Now, after that dustup, the only channel on which I find regular DVS is TCM. CBS doesn't have it and neither does PBS. These may be on other systems, ComCast, Directtv, I don't know, but not on Dishnet. When I've called them they reference legal issues of some sort. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: 3/6/2009 7:17 PM To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
I am using realtec soundcard on my asus laptop, and to me is all ok, I am using windows xp too. Demir Ajvazi! MSN: demir_z...@hotmail.com SKYPE: demir-2007 PRIVATE 4SHARED: http://demir1.4shared.com - Original Message - From: Roger Stewart paga...@wi.rr.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 1:27 AM Subject: Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Well, so many on this list are happy with the Real Tek sound card in the ASUS PC's. It's interface is totally inaccessible for me. How are you using it? Am using Windows XP and Window-Eyes. Common tasks are fine but if I plug anything into the PC like head phones or a mic I get an in accessible interface. Sighty's see it and there's a list box of buttons asking what you plugged in and an ok button. Screen reader doesn't see it and tab and arrow keys are useless. Hope someone can help. B B Roger To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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The saga continues . . . Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Okay, gang. So I've installed Total recorder on my Asus computer, and from what I can tell, there appears to be no What you hear option, and I'm guessing it's because of the sound card the Asus uses. I've also installed a demo version of VAC which is utterly and totally beyond my understanding! Lol! So, can anyone in Geekland please help me see if I can set up VAC to be able to record, either through Total recorder or Studio Recorder, both mike and sound card output at the same time? Seems so simple, but I guess it just isn't. Many thanks in advance. Peace, Kathy To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: The saga continues . . . Re: What you hear option not available onasus netbook
Kathy, Total Recorder installs a virtual device driver. it's this driver that simulates the what you hear effect on most sound cards. So what you do is make sure that Total Recorder is using the proper virtual driver (2000/XP can either use the user-mode driver or the kernel-mode driver whilst Vista and probably newer can only fully support the Kernel-mode driver). Next, make sure that it's set as both your default playback/recording devices. Total Recorder can do this for you. Next, make sure that in the recording source and parameters dialogue box, software mode is selected. This instructs Total Recorder to record through the virtual driver, rather than directly to your sound card's line in or microphone ports, depending on the system setting. You should now be able to capture stuff coming out of your sound card, including JAWS or whatever screen reader you use I hasten to use. If you'd rather use VAC, let me know and I'll try and help you out. For now though, happy recording with Total Recorder, grins! -- Chris Hallsworth e-mail: christopher...@googlemail.com MSN: ch9...@hotmail.com Skype: chrishallsworth7266 - Original Message - From: Kathy Szinnyey joyfulreneg...@insightbb.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 7:20 PM Subject: The saga continues . . . Re: What you hear option not available onasus netbook Okay, gang. So I've installed Total recorder on my Asus computer, and from what I can tell, there appears to be no What you hear option, and I'm guessing it's because of the sound card the Asus uses. I've also installed a demo version of VAC which is utterly and totally beyond my understanding! Lol! So, can anyone in Geekland please help me see if I can set up VAC to be able to record, either through Total recorder or Studio Recorder, both mike and sound card output at the same time? Seems so simple, but I guess it just isn't. Many thanks in advance. Peace, Kathy To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
What makes you think there wasn't feedback? I know, for example, for a fact that Dishnet got feedback when it dropped it's network DVS option. I would, therefore, believe that Congress got at least as much feedback if not more from individuals. - Original Message - From: Brett Boyer To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 11:57 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Amen on this topic. I know I'll probably get yelled at but everyone who wants anything described should contact congress if there is some current legislation. Remember that this is the reason tv networks stopped describing programs because they never got feedback from people. There was a time when the networks were starting come around but because of the lack of feedback and the NFB this was short-lived. thanks bb - Original Message - From: Kelly Pierce kellyt...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 2:24 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads The reason I joined the PC Audio list and not the National Federation of the blind is because I have a life beyond eating, sleeping, voting, working, paying taxes and going to the bathroom. All of these things the NFB wants access to but really nothing else. Kane, if you want audio described movies and television programs in the United States, I encourage you to contact your member of Congress to support and co-sponsor legislation currently being advanced that would establish this access. Sending your monthly dues off to Baltimore and Letting NFB do your talking for you has led to your current state of limited options. this is not a partisan opinion but a truthful statement of the facts. Kelly - Original Message - From: KANE BROLIN kbroli...@gmail.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Cc: JFW Mailing List j...@freelists.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 9:43 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes.
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Well, they're dependent on the local station to carry or not if the network makes it available. As for TCM, some movies have it , some do not and you will have to check that out with TCM's listings which will indicate which movies have that option. As for CBS, if I did not say it before, NCIS, Without a Trace, the original CSI, and Criminal Minds used to have DVS. Your cable system might carry that if the local channel did. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:31 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I can't find it on Comcast, unless I'm not doing something right! - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Actually, Dave happened to be telling the truth. There used to be DVS on Dishnet for some channels. Now, after that dustup, the only channel on which I find regular DVS is TCM. CBS doesn't have it and neither does PBS. These may be on other systems, ComCast, Directtv, I don't know, but not on Dishnet. When I've called them they reference legal issues of some sort. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.557 / Virus Database: 270.11.9/1988 - Release Date: 3/6/2009 7:17 PM To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
I wish there was a way I could get it, but I never found an option on Uverse to put it on. What I really need is DirecTV, but not too many complexes offer that that I know of. Everyone seems to be going to Dish for some reason. - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Well, they're dependent on the local station to carry or not if the network makes it available. As for TCM, some movies have it , some do not and you will have to check that out with TCM's listings which will indicate which movies have that option. As for CBS, if I did not say it before, NCIS, Without a Trace, the original CSI, and Criminal Minds used to have DVS. Your cable system might carry that if the local channel did. - Original Message - From: Gary Wood To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:31 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads I can't find it on Comcast, unless I'm not doing something right! - Original Message - From: Gary Petraccaro garyp...@verizon.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 5:17 AM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Actually, Dave happened to be telling the truth. There used to be DVS on Dishnet for some channels. Now, after that dustup, the only channel on which I find regular DVS is TCM. CBS doesn't have it and neither does PBS. These may be on other systems, ComCast, Directtv, I don't know, but not on Dishnet. When I've called them they reference legal issues of some sort. - Original Message - From: Mac Norins To: PC Audio Discussion List Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:26 PM Subject: Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Cane, I think your point is well taken, while Dave's is just a bit of unnecessary sarcasm! Mac Norins - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin kbroli...@gmail.com To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List blindi...@freelists.org; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:41 PM Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ E-mail message checked by Spyware Doctor (6.0.0.386) Database version: 5.11900 http://www.pctools.com/en/spyware-doctor-antivirus/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank
Re: The saga continues . . . Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Hi Kathy and all, ther is a pod cast somewhere of a fine fellow I think from the UK where he reviews the Axux 900x. The pod cast is amazing in that he had several things going including JAWS, something called Tank Commander and I think Goldwave while he was recording everything through his onboard mics. Does anyone know where that pod cast is? John At 03:20 PM 3/8/2009, you wrote: Okay, gang. So I've installed Total recorder on my Asus computer, and from what I can tell, there appears to be no What you hear option, and I'm guessing it's because of the sound card the Asus uses. I've also installed a demo version of VAC which is utterly and totally beyond my understanding! Lol! So, can anyone in Geekland please help me see if I can set up VAC to be able to record, either through Total recorder or Studio Recorder, both mike and sound card output at the same time? Seems so simple, but I guess it just isn't. Many thanks in advance. Peace, Kathy To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3917 (20090307) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: The saga continues . . . Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook
Maybe blind cool tech? - Original Message - From: John Chilelli j...@neo.rr.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 4:15 PM Subject: Re: The saga continues . . . Re: What you hear option not available on asus netbook Hi Kathy and all, ther is a pod cast somewhere of a fine fellow I think from the UK where he reviews the Axux 900x. The pod cast is amazing in that he had several things going including JAWS, something called Tank Commander and I think Goldwave while he was recording everything through his onboard mics. Does anyone know where that pod cast is? John At 03:20 PM 3/8/2009, you wrote: Okay, gang. So I've installed Total recorder on my Asus computer, and from what I can tell, there appears to be no What you hear option, and I'm guessing it's because of the sound card the Asus uses. I've also installed a demo version of VAC which is utterly and totally beyond my understanding! Lol! So, can anyone in Geekland please help me see if I can set up VAC to be able to record, either through Total recorder or Studio Recorder, both mike and sound card output at the same time? Seems so simple, but I guess it just isn't. Many thanks in advance. Peace, Kathy To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3917 (20090307) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: The saga continues . . . Re: What you hear option not available onasus netbook
you may have to go into control pannel, sound and audio devices, to the audio tab and set the stereo mix options from their. - Original Message - From: Kathy Szinnyey joyfulreneg...@insightbb.com To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 08, 2009 3:20 PM Subject: The saga continues . . . Re: What you hear option not available onasus netbook Okay, gang. So I've installed Total recorder on my Asus computer, and from what I can tell, there appears to be no What you hear option, and I'm guessing it's because of the sound card the Asus uses. I've also installed a demo version of VAC which is utterly and totally beyond my understanding! Lol! So, can anyone in Geekland please help me see if I can set up VAC to be able to record, either through Total recorder or Studio Recorder, both mike and sound card output at the same time? Seems so simple, but I guess it just isn't. Many thanks in advance. Peace, Kathy To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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From:Naama Erez na...@acbradio.org To: spicerack spicer...@thespicerack.org Hello friends, Please join Chrissie for Main Menu, which first airs on Wednesday at 1UTC, that's Tuesday evening in the US, and with the time changes it's at 9pm Eastern and 6pm Pacific only on ACB Radio Mainstream www.acbradio.org/mainstream This week we will have two very interesteing segments: 1. The first of two interviews about Human Ware's Keysoft 8, this one conducted by Jamie Pauls 2. A very interesting tuttorial by Geoff Shang about the Edcast encoder/streamer. You can visit our website at www.mainmenu.acbradio.org and you can also join our Main Menu friends list by sending a blank e mail to mainmenu-friends-subscr...@acbradio.org So don't forget to join us for what promises to be another interesting program. Sincerely, Naama Erez Executive producer Main Menu Regards Steve Email: s...@internode.on.net MSN Messenger: internetuser...@hotmail.com Skype: steve1963 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
