Bowers & Wilkins P9 Signature Headphones Review | StereoNET

[Dane Trethowan]

Since these cans are under discussion I thought I'd go in search of a 
review and this is an interesting read.
Those who know the B P7 cans - as I do - can look at some interesting 
comparisons between P7 and P9.
Should you upgrade? Well in the end that decision is between both you 
and your bank manager  but the review certainly puts forward some 
very compelling reasons as to why the Bowers and Wilkins P9 cans should 
be on a future shopping list.
http://www.stereo.net.au/reviews/bowers-wilkins-p9-signature-headphones-review 

Re: Bowers And Wilkins P9 Headphones

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I think i will save money for them then.
/A
> 4 okt. 2016 kl. 19:48 skrev Dane Trethowan :
> 
> Just got notification that the Bowers And Wilkins P9 Headphones have just 
> been released, they’re supposed to be the best headphones B have ever 
> released, can’t keep up with the best can you .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Bowers And Wilkins P9 Headphones

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Very very expensive.
In sweden around 8000 swedish krona.
/A
> 4 okt. 2016 kl. 21:07 skrev Mary Otten :
> 
> Did that notice have a price?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>> 
>> Just got notification that the Bowers And Wilkins P9 Headphones have just 
>> been released, they’re supposed to be the best headphones B have ever 
>> released, can’t keep up with the best can you .
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Whats the name of that one?
That would be something for me if its not extremly expensive?
/AD
> 4 okt. 2016 kl. 08:37 skrev John Gurd :
> 
> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both Airplay
> and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you select either.
> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
> Trethowan
> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
> 
> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just how
> many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years ago?
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio using 
>> a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
>> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
>> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
>>> least it
>> is still there.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
 
>> wrote:
 Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control center, 
 it
>> was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
>> you not mentioned it.
 
 **
 
 Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
 outlooks
>> are the solution.
 
> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although 
> you
>> might not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to 
>> "page 2, in your control center view, by doing the iOS page change 
>> three finger flick, one of the things you will see in there with other 
>> music controls is the announcement iPhone, assuming you were using an 
>> iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're using an iPad. Double tap on 
>> that, and you will see all the choices of whatever other airplay and 
>> able audio devices you have. This is true for the Amazon music app and 
>> the Apple Music app. I assume it's true in general, although those are 
>> the only two I tried. Frankly, I like the option of having the air 
>> play control it within the app. That's how it used to be before they moved
> it to control center. And I wish they would put it back.
>> Or at least wish they would have the flexibility for app developers to 
>> include that airplay functionality right in the main screen of the 
>> app. That was the most convenient I thought.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?
>> 
>> I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the 
>> control
>> center and activate AirPlay from there.
>> On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - 
>> which I
>> don't have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio 
>> to any other compatible device.
>> The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the Music 
>> App,
>> launch the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, a 
>> little annoying to have to perform that extra step but at least I can 
>> still select my AirPlay device of choice in a roundabout way it has to be
> said.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: Bowers And Wilkins P9 Headphones

[Mary Otten]

Wow! Way too rich for my blood, no matter how good they are. I'll just have to 
be happy with my P7.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 1:16 PM, Walter  wrote:
> 
> Hi.  In the UK they are £700 and with the exchange rate with the US dollar,
> it works out at $889.  Walter.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: 04 October 2016 20:07
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins P9 Headphones
> 
> Did that notice have a price?
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Dane Trethowan 
> wrote:
>> 
>> Just got notification that the Bowers And Wilkins P9 Headphones have just
> been released, they’re supposed to be the best headphones B have ever
> released, can’t keep up with the best can you .
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the
> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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Re: Bowers And Wilkins P9 Headphones

[Dane Trethowan]

Busy at the moment, I'll have another look a little later on today and 
let the list know.




On 5/10/2016 6:07 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

Did that notice have a price?


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:

Just got notification that the Bowers And Wilkins P9 Headphones have just been released, 
they’re supposed to be the best headphones B have ever released, can’t keep up with 
the best can you .

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Bowers And Wilkins P9 Headphones

[Mary Otten]

Did that notice have a price?


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 10:48 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> Just got notification that the Bowers And Wilkins P9 Headphones have just 
> been released, they’re supposed to be the best headphones B have ever 
> released, can’t keep up with the best can you .
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 

Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Hmm.. not sure as yet, going to go and hear them but one thing is for sure I 
reckon, whatever I choose I certainly won’t be disappointed.

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 5:01 am, Walter  wrote:
> 
> Which floor standers are you thinking about?  CM9, CM10 or are you going to 
> splash out for the 800 series?  Walter.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 04 October 2016 18:47
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
> 
> Thanks for that.
> I really relish the difference in the way systems sound in my house, makes 
> music all the more worth the while listening to in my view if you have a 
> couple of different sources.
> I have the Bowers And Wilkins A7 by my bed, the system based around the Hotel 
> RA10 Amp I built 3 years ago in the Den and the Denon AVR2113 receiver in the 
> lounge, that’s where I want to put the Bowers and Wilkins floor standing 
> speakers.
> I’m using some Polk Audio bookshelf speakers with my Hotel which will do for 
> now but the speakers for my Denon are cheap and nasty, they need replacing so 
> I’ll tackle them first.
> I’m quite surprised at just how many people on this list are using Bowers And 
> Wilkins gear, that says quite a lot, people love their music ,smile>
> 
>> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 4:39 am, Walter  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi.  I have a system upstairs and one downstairs.  Down stairs are the B & W 
>> CM9 and they are big but great speakers.  I was toying with the idea of 
>> upgrading to the CM10 but haven't done so thus far.  My upstairs system has 
>> the B & W CM5 which are stand mount speakers and are really wonderful 
>> speakers.  They don't have the solid bass that the CM9 do but very 
>> respectful nonetheless.  I did though add the B & W C2 Subwoofer and that 
>> makes a world of a difference.  It is hard to decide which is the better 
>> system because the set up is different.  The speakers downstairs are 15 feet 
>> apart while the CM5s are 8 Feet apart.  A friend though reckons that the 
>> system upstairs is much more superior in sound reproduction and thinks I 
>> should sell my downstairs system.  At this point I'll keep both although if 
>> truth is told, the downstairs system has rarely been played and I'm not even 
>> sure the CM9s have been fully run in.  After the CM series you are talking 
>> about the 800 series but then, you are also talking funny money.  Walter.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:40
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
>> 
>> You have my deepest sympathy’s I can assure you .
>> I’ll be going down to have a listen to a few Bowers And Wilkins floor 
>> standing models in a few days, the floor standing units I’m after range in 
>> price from around $1600 for the basic to $3500 for the top model though 
>> secretly I’m hoping the basic model will sound good enough for my ears and 
>> even that will take a bit of time to get.
>> Floor standing speakers in my lounge are going to be put exactly where they 
>> were intended to be put, they will stand on the floor.
>> The “Old Man” has his speakers in the ceiling believe it or not which is an 
>> eye opener to me - pardon the terrible pun  - didn’t know that some 
>> people were born with ears on the top of their heads.
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 10:58 pm, John Gurd  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Dane
>>> Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years.
>>> B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers
>>> B MT1 rear speakers
>>> Linn Sizmik sub-woofer
>>> 
>>> Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The 
>>> fact I have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the 
>>> products. Mind you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them 
>>> either! I am still very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a 
>>> driver a couple of years ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as 
>>> I was warned there weren't many left.
>>> 
>>> The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front 
>>> speakers built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the 
>>> living room completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated 
>>> my previous floor standing speakers with a passion because of their size 
>>> and the trailing cables. She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap 
>>> me in all the wire I have around the house and bury me in them! So the 
>>> cabinet was a way of hiding the cables. I even had the cables leading to 
>>> the rear speakers plastered into the wall. The problem I have now is that 
>>> when I have to replace the front speakers I will either have to find 
>>> something the same size that will fit the cabinet or get rid of a very 
>>> expensive and elaborate piece of 

RE: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[Walter]

Which floor standers are you thinking about?  CM9, CM10 or are you going to 
splash out for the 800 series?  Walter.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 04 October 2016 18:47
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

Thanks for that.
I really relish the difference in the way systems sound in my house, makes 
music all the more worth the while listening to in my view if you have a couple 
of different sources.
I have the Bowers And Wilkins A7 by my bed, the system based around the Hotel 
RA10 Amp I built 3 years ago in the Den and the Denon AVR2113 receiver in the 
lounge, that’s where I want to put the Bowers and Wilkins floor standing 
speakers.
I’m using some Polk Audio bookshelf speakers with my Hotel which will do for 
now but the speakers for my Denon are cheap and nasty, they need replacing so 
I’ll tackle them first.
I’m quite surprised at just how many people on this list are using Bowers And 
Wilkins gear, that says quite a lot, people love their music ,smile>

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 4:39 am, Walter  wrote:
>
> Hi.  I have a system upstairs and one downstairs.  Down stairs are the B & W 
> CM9 and they are big but great speakers.  I was toying with the idea of 
> upgrading to the CM10 but haven't done so thus far.  My upstairs system has 
> the B & W CM5 which are stand mount speakers and are really wonderful 
> speakers.  They don't have the solid bass that the CM9 do but very respectful 
> nonetheless.  I did though add the B & W C2 Subwoofer and that makes a world 
> of a difference.  It is hard to decide which is the better system because the 
> set up is different.  The speakers downstairs are 15 feet apart while the 
> CM5s are 8 Feet apart.  A friend though reckons that the system upstairs is 
> much more superior in sound reproduction and thinks I should sell my 
> downstairs system.  At this point I'll keep both although if truth is told, 
> the downstairs system has rarely been played and I'm not even sure the CM9s 
> have been fully run in.  After the CM series you are talking about the 800 
> series but then, you are also talking funny money.  Walter.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:40
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
>
> You have my deepest sympathy’s I can assure you .
> I’ll be going down to have a listen to a few Bowers And Wilkins floor 
> standing models in a few days, the floor standing units I’m after range in 
> price from around $1600 for the basic to $3500 for the top model though 
> secretly I’m hoping the basic model will sound good enough for my ears and 
> even that will take a bit of time to get.
> Floor standing speakers in my lounge are going to be put exactly where they 
> were intended to be put, they will stand on the floor.
> The “Old Man” has his speakers in the ceiling believe it or not which is an 
> eye opener to me - pardon the terrible pun  - didn’t know that some 
> people were born with ears on the top of their heads.
>
>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 10:58 pm, John Gurd  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Dane
>> Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years.
>> B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers
>> B MT1 rear speakers
>> Linn Sizmik sub-woofer
>>
>> Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The fact 
>> I have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the products. 
>> Mind you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them either! I am 
>> still very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a driver a couple 
>> of years ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as I was warned 
>> there weren't many left.
>>
>> The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front speakers 
>> built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the living room 
>> completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated my previous 
>> floor standing speakers with a passion because of their size and the 
>> trailing cables. She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap me in 
>> all the wire I have around the house and bury me in them! So the cabinet was 
>> a way of hiding the cables. I even had the cables leading to the rear 
>> speakers plastered into the wall. The problem I have now is that when I have 
>> to replace the front speakers I will either have to find something the same 
>> size that will fit the cabinet or get rid of a very expensive and elaborate 
>> piece of furniture. Secretly I would like to go back to floor standing 
>> speakers one day but she will kill me!
>>
>> John
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: 03 October 2016 00:43
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Bowers And 

Bowers And Wilkins P9 Headphones

[Dane Trethowan]

Just got notification that the Bowers And Wilkins P9 Headphones have just been 
released, they’re supposed to be the best headphones B have ever released, 
can’t keep up with the best can you .

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

Thanks for that.
I really relish the difference in the way systems sound in my house, makes 
music all the more worth the while listening to in my view if you have a couple 
of different sources.
I have the Bowers And Wilkins A7 by my bed, the system based around the Hotel 
RA10 Amp I built 3 years ago in the Den and the Denon AVR2113 receiver in the 
lounge, that’s where I want to put the Bowers and Wilkins floor standing 
speakers.
I’m using some Polk Audio bookshelf speakers with my Hotel which will do for 
now but the speakers for my Denon are cheap and nasty, they need replacing so 
I’ll tackle them first.
I’m quite surprised at just how many people on this list are using Bowers And 
Wilkins gear, that says quite a lot, people love their music ,smile>

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 4:39 am, Walter  wrote:
> 
> Hi.  I have a system upstairs and one downstairs.  Down stairs are the B & W 
> CM9 and they are big but great speakers.  I was toying with the idea of 
> upgrading to the CM10 but haven't done so thus far.  My upstairs system has 
> the B & W CM5 which are stand mount speakers and are really wonderful 
> speakers.  They don't have the solid bass that the CM9 do but very respectful 
> nonetheless.  I did though add the B & W C2 Subwoofer and that makes a world 
> of a difference.  It is hard to decide which is the better system because the 
> set up is different.  The speakers downstairs are 15 feet apart while the 
> CM5s are 8 Feet apart.  A friend though reckons that the system upstairs is 
> much more superior in sound reproduction and thinks I should sell my 
> downstairs system.  At this point I'll keep both although if truth is told, 
> the downstairs system has rarely been played and I'm not even sure the CM9s 
> have been fully run in.  After the CM series you are talking about the 800 
> series but then, you are also talking funny money.  Walter.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:40
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
> 
> You have my deepest sympathy’s I can assure you .
> I’ll be going down to have a listen to a few Bowers And Wilkins floor 
> standing models in a few days, the floor standing units I’m after range in 
> price from around $1600 for the basic to $3500 for the top model though 
> secretly I’m hoping the basic model will sound good enough for my ears and 
> even that will take a bit of time to get.
> Floor standing speakers in my lounge are going to be put exactly where they 
> were intended to be put, they will stand on the floor.
> The “Old Man” has his speakers in the ceiling believe it or not which is an 
> eye opener to me - pardon the terrible pun  - didn’t know that some 
> people were born with ears on the top of their heads.
> 
>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 10:58 pm, John Gurd  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dane
>> Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years.
>> B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers
>> B MT1 rear speakers
>> Linn Sizmik sub-woofer
>> 
>> Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The fact 
>> I have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the products. 
>> Mind you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them either! I am 
>> still very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a driver a couple 
>> of years ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as I was warned 
>> there weren't many left.
>> 
>> The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front speakers 
>> built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the living room 
>> completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated my previous 
>> floor standing speakers with a passion because of their size and the 
>> trailing cables. She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap me in 
>> all the wire I have around the house and bury me in them! So the cabinet was 
>> a way of hiding the cables. I even had the cables leading to the rear 
>> speakers plastered into the wall. The problem I have now is that when I have 
>> to replace the front speakers I will either have to find something the same 
>> size that will fit the cabinet or get rid of a very expensive and elaborate 
>> piece of furniture. Secretly I would like to go back to floor standing 
>> speakers one day but she will kill me!
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: 03 October 2016 00:43
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
>> 
>> Hi John!
>> You mention you have some Bowers And Wilkins speakers as part of your system 
>> so which models do you have? I m looking at their range of floor standing 
>> models for the lounge, a bit of saving to do to own a pair of those but - if 
>> the B A5, A7 and Z2 active speaker systems which 

RE: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[Walter]

Hi.  I have a system upstairs and one downstairs.  Down stairs are the B & W 
CM9 and they are big but great speakers.  I was toying with the idea of 
upgrading to the CM10 but haven't done so thus far.  My upstairs system has the 
B & W CM5 which are stand mount speakers and are really wonderful speakers.  
They don't have the solid bass that the CM9 do but very respectful nonetheless. 
 I did though add the B & W C2 Subwoofer and that makes a world of a 
difference.  It is hard to decide which is the better system because the set up 
is different.  The speakers downstairs are 15 feet apart while the CM5s are 8 
Feet apart.  A friend though reckons that the system upstairs is much more 
superior in sound reproduction and thinks I should sell my downstairs system.  
At this point I'll keep both although if truth is told, the downstairs system 
has rarely been played and I'm not even sure the CM9s have been fully run in.  
After the CM series you are talking about the 800 series but then, you are also 
talking funny money.  Walter.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 04 October 2016 16:40
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

You have my deepest sympathy’s I can assure you .
I’ll be going down to have a listen to a few Bowers And Wilkins floor standing 
models in a few days, the floor standing units I’m after range in price from 
around $1600 for the basic to $3500 for the top model though secretly I’m 
hoping the basic model will sound good enough for my ears and even that will 
take a bit of time to get.
Floor standing speakers in my lounge are going to be put exactly where they 
were intended to be put, they will stand on the floor.
The “Old Man” has his speakers in the ceiling believe it or not which is an eye 
opener to me - pardon the terrible pun  - didn’t know that some people 
were born with ears on the top of their heads.

> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 10:58 pm, John Gurd  wrote:
>
> Hi Dane
> Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years.
> B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers
> B MT1 rear speakers
> Linn Sizmik sub-woofer
>
> Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The fact 
> I have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the products. Mind 
> you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them either! I am still 
> very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a driver a couple of years 
> ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as I was warned there weren't 
> many left.
>
> The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front speakers 
> built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the living room 
> completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated my previous 
> floor standing speakers with a passion because of their size and the trailing 
> cables. She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap me in all the wire 
> I have around the house and bury me in them! So the cabinet was a way of 
> hiding the cables. I even had the cables leading to the rear speakers 
> plastered into the wall. The problem I have now is that when I have to 
> replace the front speakers I will either have to find something the same size 
> that will fit the cabinet or get rid of a very expensive and elaborate piece 
> of furniture. Secretly I would like to go back to floor standing speakers one 
> day but she will kill me!
>
> John
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 03 October 2016 00:43
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
>
> Hi John!
> You mention you have some Bowers And Wilkins speakers as part of your system 
> so which models do you have? I m looking at their range of floor standing 
> models for the lounge, a bit of saving to do to own a pair of those but - if 
> the B A5, A7 and Z2 active speaker systems which I ve owned are anything to 
> go by - then a year s saving will be well worth the wait, any additional 
> comments?
>
>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 5:12 am, John Gurd  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jim
>> I just saw your enquiry. I don't have the Sonos Conect:Amp, but I do have 
>> the Sonos Connect. So I don't know how good the Connect Amp is at powering 
>> Speakers and How they would sound. I got the Connect which feeds my Arcam 
>> AVR750 receiver with a digital signal which in turn powers a 5.1 set of B 
>> speakers. I use the Connect with Wi-Fi and listen to streaming media from 
>> Apple Music and Amazon. There is never any buffering or dropout. It sounds 
>> surprisingly excellent with these music sources. I expected it to sound 
>> inferior to my old Logitech Transporter but it doesn't. I never got around 
>> to listening to uncompressed music on it yet which I hope should sound even 
>> better. The only drawback may be that it 

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[Paul Porter via Pc-audio]

--- Begin Message ---
I can sympathise. My wife and I replaced our system because she didn't like 
wires. We got something smaller. We have now gone back to a similar arrangement 
with BMW speakers because it sounds so good. Paul

Sent from my iPhone

> On 4 Oct 2016, at 16:40, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> You have my deepest sympathy’s I can assure you .
> I’ll be going down to have a listen to a few Bowers And Wilkins floor 
> standing models in a few days, the floor standing units I’m after range in 
> price from around $1600 for the basic to $3500 for the top model though 
> secretly I’m hoping the basic model will sound good enough for my ears and 
> even that will take a bit of time to get.
> Floor standing speakers in my lounge are going to be put exactly where they 
> were intended to be put, they will stand on the floor.
> The “Old Man” has his speakers in the ceiling believe it or not which is an 
> eye opener to me - pardon the terrible pun  - didn’t know that some 
> people were born with ears on the top of their heads.
> 
>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 10:58 pm, John Gurd  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Dane
>> Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years. 
>> B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers 
>> B MT1 rear speakers 
>> Linn Sizmik sub-woofer
>> 
>> Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The fact 
>> I have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the products. 
>> Mind you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them either! I am 
>> still very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a driver a couple 
>> of years ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as I was warned 
>> there weren't many left. 
>> 
>> The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front speakers 
>> built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the living room 
>> completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated my previous 
>> floor standing speakers with a passion because of their size and the 
>> trailing cables. She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap me in 
>> all the wire I have around the house and bury me in them! So the cabinet was 
>> a way of hiding the cables. I even had the cables leading to the rear 
>> speakers plastered into the wall. The problem I have now is that when I have 
>> to replace the front speakers I will either have to find something the same 
>> size that will fit the cabinet or get rid of a very expensive and elaborate 
>> piece of furniture. Secretly I would like to go back to floor standing 
>> speakers one day but she will kill me!
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: 03 October 2016 00:43
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
>> 
>> Hi John!
>> You mention you have some Bowers And Wilkins speakers as part of your system 
>> so which models do you have? I m looking at their range of floor standing 
>> models for the lounge, a bit of saving to do to own a pair of those but - if 
>> the B A5, A7 and Z2 active speaker systems which I ve owned are anything 
>> to go by - then a year s saving will be well worth the wait, any additional 
>> comments?
>> 
>>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 5:12 am, John Gurd  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Jim
>>> I just saw your enquiry. I don't have the Sonos Conect:Amp, but I do have 
>>> the Sonos Connect. So I don't know how good the Connect Amp is at powering 
>>> Speakers and How they would sound. I got the Connect which feeds my Arcam 
>>> AVR750 receiver with a digital signal which in turn powers a 5.1 set of B 
>>> speakers. I use the Connect with Wi-Fi and listen to streaming media from 
>>> Apple Music and Amazon. There is never any buffering or dropout. It sounds 
>>> surprisingly excellent with these music sources. I expected it to sound 
>>> inferior to my old Logitech Transporter but it doesn't. I never got around 
>>> to listening to uncompressed music on it yet which I hope should sound even 
>>> better. The only drawback may be that it can't play HD audio sources by 
>>> which I mean anything sampled above 48000 or 24bit. But anything at CD 
>>> quality is very good. 
>>> 
>>> As the Connect:Amp has its own amplification stage I can't comment on that 
>>> side of things from a personal experience. I will say that my other Sonos 
>>> equipment i.e.: a stereo pair of the small Sonos Play 1 speakers sound very 
>>> good for their size.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: 29 September 2016 19:21
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: SonosConnectAmp.
>>> 
>>> I don t own one though I certainly will be looking at one in the coming 
>>> days.
>>> The Songs connect gets good write-ups and I m looking forward to using one 
>>> for two 

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Dane Trethowan]

I share your disappointment.

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 3:11 am, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Yes. I was really looking forward to that in iOS 10. That was the feature I 
> most wanted as a matter of fact. And then it turned out to be useless. Really 
> disappointing, especially for Apple TV.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 4, 2016, at 9:01 AM, John Gurd  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm, Maybe I'll have another go with Airplay then. Incidentally, there was
>> a rumour that IOS 10 was going to allow one to keep Voice Over on a device
>> while playing audio over Bluetooth. I was disappointed when it didn't
>> transpire. Instead, it allows you to have audio on one channel and Voice
>> Over on the other. 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>> Otten
>> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:32
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> For anyone using an Apple device, there are some Stansel advantages to using
>> airplay. For one thing, VoiceOver stays on your device and doesn't interfere
>> with the music. For another, you can have multiple rooms playing from one
>> Mac. Of course you have to have airport expresses. But it still beats
>> Bluetooth for sound as far as I'm concerned. And not having VoiceOver
>> interfering with my music is a huge advantage. And it's also less laggy
>> Bluetooth. I have to disagree with John on that one. Trying to use my
>> android device when I'm playing music through my mega boom speakers is not
>> fun. Plus, I have a stereo downstairs. If I were stuck using Bluetooth, my
>> Mac wouldn't reach there. And if I left my eye device upstairs and went
>> downstairs for something, I'd be out of luck if I wanted to use that
>> downstairs stereo. Bluetooth won't go that far.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I'll get to that in a moment.
>>> I've not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of something
>> that sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which has
>> Bluetooth and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
>>> Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the Zeplin Air
>> DLNA connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B is that DLNA isn't as good as
>> AirPlay.
>>> Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don't see a future for
>> AirPlay and the "Lag" exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most telling point
>> in this discussion, absolutely no good for wireless headphones for example.
>>> 
 On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd  wrote:
 
 I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both 
 Airplay and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you
>> select either.
 I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
 
 John
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
 Dane Trethowan
 Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
 
 Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just 
 how many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years
>> ago?
 
 
 
> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio 
> using a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
> 
> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
>> least it
> is still there.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>> 
> wrote:
>>> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control 
>>> center, it
> was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
> you not mentioned it.
>>> 
>>> **
>>> 
>>> Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
>>> outlooks
> are the solution.
>>> 
 On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten  wrote:
 
 You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, 
 although you
> might 

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Mary Otten]

I suppose that this to channel thing with voiceover in one and sound in the 
other could be useful if you're wearing a headset, taking a phone call and 
listening to the phone with one here and VoiceOver doing something with the 
other ear. I couldn't do that, but somebody probably good. Also for people who 
use mixers, of whom I am not one, I guess this could be useful. But for the use 
I wanted it for, it's useless.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2016, at 9:09 AM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> Well that’s really good down to earth common sense ain’t it , too bad 
> if you want to listen to stereo.
> On the other hand perhaps Apple can’t easily separate Voiceover from the 
> Bluetooth stream without a major redesign.
> 
>> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 3:01 am, John Gurd  wrote:
>> 
>> Hmmm, Maybe I'll have another go with Airplay then. Incidentally, there was
>> a rumour that IOS 10 was going to allow one to keep Voice Over on a device
>> while playing audio over Bluetooth. I was disappointed when it didn't
>> transpire. Instead, it allows you to have audio on one channel and Voice
>> Over on the other. 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>> Otten
>> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:32
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> For anyone using an Apple device, there are some Stansel advantages to using
>> airplay. For one thing, VoiceOver stays on your device and doesn't interfere
>> with the music. For another, you can have multiple rooms playing from one
>> Mac. Of course you have to have airport expresses. But it still beats
>> Bluetooth for sound as far as I'm concerned. And not having VoiceOver
>> interfering with my music is a huge advantage. And it's also less laggy
>> Bluetooth. I have to disagree with John on that one. Trying to use my
>> android device when I'm playing music through my mega boom speakers is not
>> fun. Plus, I have a stereo downstairs. If I were stuck using Bluetooth, my
>> Mac wouldn't reach there. And if I left my eye device upstairs and went
>> downstairs for something, I'd be out of luck if I wanted to use that
>> downstairs stereo. Bluetooth won't go that far.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I'll get to that in a moment.
>>> I've not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of something
>> that sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which has
>> Bluetooth and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
>>> Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the Zeplin Air
>> DLNA connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B is that DLNA isn't as good as
>> AirPlay.
>>> Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don't see a future for
>> AirPlay and the "Lag" exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most telling point
>> in this discussion, absolutely no good for wireless headphones for example.
>>> 
 On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd  wrote:
 
 I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both 
 Airplay and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you
>> select either.
 I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
 
 John
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
 Dane Trethowan
 Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
 
 Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just 
 how many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years
>> ago?
 
 
 
> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio 
> using a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
> 
> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
> 
> 
> 
>> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
>> least it
> is still there.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>> 
> wrote:
>>> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control 
>>> center, it
> was where you said on page two, 

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Dane Trethowan]

Well that’s really good down to earth common sense ain’t it , too bad if 
you want to listen to stereo.
On the other hand perhaps Apple can’t easily separate Voiceover from the 
Bluetooth stream without a major redesign.

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 3:01 am, John Gurd  wrote:
> 
> Hmmm, Maybe I'll have another go with Airplay then. Incidentally, there was
> a rumour that IOS 10 was going to allow one to keep Voice Over on a device
> while playing audio over Bluetooth. I was disappointed when it didn't
> transpire. Instead, it allows you to have audio on one channel and Voice
> Over on the other. 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: 04 October 2016 16:32
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
> 
> For anyone using an Apple device, there are some Stansel advantages to using
> airplay. For one thing, VoiceOver stays on your device and doesn't interfere
> with the music. For another, you can have multiple rooms playing from one
> Mac. Of course you have to have airport expresses. But it still beats
> Bluetooth for sound as far as I'm concerned. And not having VoiceOver
> interfering with my music is a huge advantage. And it's also less laggy
> Bluetooth. I have to disagree with John on that one. Trying to use my
> android device when I'm playing music through my mega boom speakers is not
> fun. Plus, I have a stereo downstairs. If I were stuck using Bluetooth, my
> Mac wouldn't reach there. And if I left my eye device upstairs and went
> downstairs for something, I'd be out of luck if I wanted to use that
> downstairs stereo. Bluetooth won't go that far.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I'll get to that in a moment.
>> I've not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of something
> that sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which has
> Bluetooth and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
>> Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the Zeplin Air
> DLNA connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B is that DLNA isn't as good as
> AirPlay.
>> Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don't see a future for
> AirPlay and the "Lag" exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most telling point
> in this discussion, absolutely no good for wireless headphones for example.
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both 
>>> Airplay and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you
> select either.
>>> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>> 
>>> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just 
>>> how many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years
> ago?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
 Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio 
 using a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
 designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
 get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
 
 John
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
 Dane Trethowan
 Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
 
 Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
 
 
 
> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
> least it
 is still there.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> 
 wrote:
>> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control 
>> center, it
 was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
 you not mentioned it.
>> 
>> **
>> 
>> Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
>> outlooks
 are the solution.
>> 
>>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten  wrote:
>>> 
>>> You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, 
>>> although you
 might not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to 
 "page 2, in your control center view, by doing the iOS page change 
 three finger flick, one of the things you will see in there with 
 other music controls is the 

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes, an excellent point regarding Bluetooth and the iPhone with Voiceover and 
having Voiceover play with your music is quite a pain, that’s one of the 
annoyances I had when I had the Apple TV 2nd Generation, Voiceover would 
announce each new track as it played and the only way I knew of to stop that 
happening was to go into the menu system, turn Voiceover off and hope I’d 
remember to turn Voiceover back on again when I’d finished playing my music.
I didn’t think one could play to multi rooms or multiple devices using AirPlay 
on an iOS device?
And whilst we’re on the subject of AirPlay, congratulations to Spotify as 
they’ve found a way around Apple’s reluctance to allow third party Apps to put 
the AirPlay Icon near the volume control where it used to be in Apps, there’s a 
“Button” at the bottom of the Spotify App which isn’t labeled.
Double-tap on this and you’ll see a list of Spotify Connect devices if you have 
any but even more importantly you’ll see a “More Devices” icon, double-tap this 
and you’ll be presented with a list of AirPlay and Bluetooth devices Spotify 
can connect to.

> On 5 Oct. 2016, at 2:32 am, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> For anyone using an Apple device, there are some Stansel advantages to using 
> airplay. For one thing, VoiceOver stays on your device and doesn't interfere 
> with the music. For another, you can have multiple rooms playing from one 
> Mac. Of course you have to have airport expresses. But it still beats 
> Bluetooth for sound as far as I'm concerned. And not having VoiceOver 
> interfering with my music is a huge advantage. And it's also less laggy 
> Bluetooth. I have to disagree with John on that one. Trying to use my android 
> device when I'm playing music through my mega boom speakers is not fun. Plus, 
> I have a stereo downstairs. If I were stuck using Bluetooth, my Mac wouldn't 
> reach there. And if I left my eye device upstairs and went downstairs for 
> something, I'd be out of luck if I wanted to use that downstairs stereo. 
> Bluetooth won't go that far.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
>> 
>> Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I’ll get to that in a moment.
>> I’ve not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of something that 
>> sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which has 
>> Bluetooth and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
>> Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the Zeplin Air 
>> DLNA connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B is that DLNA isn’t as good as 
>> AirPlay.
>> Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don’t see a future for 
>> AirPlay and the “Lag” exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most telling point 
>> in this discussion, absolutely no good for wireless headphones for example.
>> 
>>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both Airplay
>>> and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you select either.
>>> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
>>> Trethowan
>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>> 
>>> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just how
>>> many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years ago?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
 Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio using 
 a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
 designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
 get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
 
 John
 
 -Original Message-
 From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
 Dane Trethowan
 Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
 To: PC Audio Discussion List
 Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
 
 Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
 
 
 
> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
> least it
 is still there.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> 
 wrote:
>> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control center, 
>> it
 was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
 you not mentioned it.
>> 
>> **
>> 
>> Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
>> outlooks
 are the solution.
>> 
>>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten  

Re: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[Dane Trethowan]

You have my deepest sympathy’s I can assure you .
I’ll be going down to have a listen to a few Bowers And Wilkins floor standing 
models in a few days, the floor standing units I’m after range in price from 
around $1600 for the basic to $3500 for the top model though secretly I’m 
hoping the basic model will sound good enough for my ears and even that will 
take a bit of time to get.
Floor standing speakers in my lounge are going to be put exactly where they 
were intended to be put, they will stand on the floor.
The “Old Man” has his speakers in the ceiling believe it or not which is an eye 
opener to me - pardon the terrible pun  - didn’t know that some people 
were born with ears on the top of their heads.

> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 10:58 pm, John Gurd  wrote:
> 
> Hi Dane
> Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years. 
> B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers 
> B MT1 rear speakers 
> Linn Sizmik sub-woofer
> 
> Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The fact 
> I have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the products. Mind 
> you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them either! I am still 
> very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a driver a couple of years 
> ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as I was warned there weren't 
> many left. 
> 
> The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front speakers 
> built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the living room 
> completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated my previous 
> floor standing speakers with a passion because of their size and the trailing 
> cables. She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap me in all the wire 
> I have around the house and bury me in them! So the cabinet was a way of 
> hiding the cables. I even had the cables leading to the rear speakers 
> plastered into the wall. The problem I have now is that when I have to 
> replace the front speakers I will either have to find something the same size 
> that will fit the cabinet or get rid of a very expensive and elaborate piece 
> of furniture. Secretly I would like to go back to floor standing speakers one 
> day but she will kill me!
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: 03 October 2016 00:43
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers
> 
> Hi John!
> You mention you have some Bowers And Wilkins speakers as part of your system 
> so which models do you have? I m looking at their range of floor standing 
> models for the lounge, a bit of saving to do to own a pair of those but - if 
> the B A5, A7 and Z2 active speaker systems which I ve owned are anything to 
> go by - then a year s saving will be well worth the wait, any additional 
> comments?
> 
>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 5:12 am, John Gurd  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jim
>> I just saw your enquiry. I don't have the Sonos Conect:Amp, but I do have 
>> the Sonos Connect. So I don't know how good the Connect Amp is at powering 
>> Speakers and How they would sound. I got the Connect which feeds my Arcam 
>> AVR750 receiver with a digital signal which in turn powers a 5.1 set of B 
>> speakers. I use the Connect with Wi-Fi and listen to streaming media from 
>> Apple Music and Amazon. There is never any buffering or dropout. It sounds 
>> surprisingly excellent with these music sources. I expected it to sound 
>> inferior to my old Logitech Transporter but it doesn't. I never got around 
>> to listening to uncompressed music on it yet which I hope should sound even 
>> better. The only drawback may be that it can't play HD audio sources by 
>> which I mean anything sampled above 48000 or 24bit. But anything at CD 
>> quality is very good. 
>> 
>> As the Connect:Amp has its own amplification stage I can't comment on that 
>> side of things from a personal experience. I will say that my other Sonos 
>> equipment i.e.: a stereo pair of the small Sonos Play 1 speakers sound very 
>> good for their size.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: 29 September 2016 19:21
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: SonosConnectAmp.
>> 
>> I don t own one though I certainly will be looking at one in the coming days.
>> The Songs connect gets good write-ups and I m looking forward to using one 
>> for two reasons, I m looking forward to having a play with the Songs App and 
>> I m looking forward to using the digital output on my system with my DAC.
>> 
>>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 4:16 am, Jim Noseworthy 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> HiGang:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Can anyone on this list comment about the quality of the Sonos 
>>> Connect Amp":?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks all over the place.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Mary Otten]

For anyone using an Apple device, there are some Stansel advantages to using 
airplay. For one thing, VoiceOver stays on your device and doesn't interfere 
with the music. For another, you can have multiple rooms playing from one Mac. 
Of course you have to have airport expresses. But it still beats Bluetooth for 
sound as far as I'm concerned. And not having VoiceOver interfering with my 
music is a huge advantage. And it's also less laggy Bluetooth. I have to 
disagree with John on that one. Trying to use my android device when I'm 
playing music through my mega boom speakers is not fun. Plus, I have a stereo 
downstairs. If I were stuck using Bluetooth, my Mac wouldn't reach there. And 
if I left my eye device upstairs and went downstairs for something, I'd be out 
of luck if I wanted to use that downstairs stereo. Bluetooth won't go that far.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2016, at 11:50 PM, Dane Trethowan  wrote:
> 
> Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I’ll get to that in a moment.
> I’ve not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of something that 
> sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which has 
> Bluetooth and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
> Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the Zeplin Air 
> DLNA connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B is that DLNA isn’t as good as 
> AirPlay.
> Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don’t see a future for 
> AirPlay and the “Lag” exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most telling point 
> in this discussion, absolutely no good for wireless headphones for example.
> 
>> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd  wrote:
>> 
>> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both Airplay
>> and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you select either.
>> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just how
>> many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years ago?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio using 
>>> a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
>>> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
>>> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>>> 
>>> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
 Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
 least it
>>> is still there.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> 
>>> wrote:
> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control center, 
> it
>>> was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
>>> you not mentioned it.
> 
> **
> 
> Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
> outlooks
>>> are the solution.
> 
>> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although 
>> you
>>> might not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to 
>>> "page 2, in your control center view, by doing the iOS page change 
>>> three finger flick, one of the things you will see in there with other 
>>> music controls is the announcement iPhone, assuming you were using an 
>>> iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're using an iPad. Double tap on 
>>> that, and you will see all the choices of whatever other airplay and 
>>> able audio devices you have. This is true for the Amazon music app and 
>>> the Apple Music app. I assume it's true in general, although those are 
>>> the only two I tried. Frankly, I like the option of having the air 
>>> play control it within the app. That's how it used to be before they moved
>> it to control center. And I wish they would put it back.
>>> Or at least wish they would have the flexibility for app developers to 
>>> include that airplay functionality right in the main screen of the 
>>> app. That was the most convenient I thought.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>> 
>>> wrote:
>>> Has anyone bothered to 

RE: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[Hamit Campos]

Lol ah girls. Yes I hear this over and over again on home theater geeks. The 
Wife axeptency factor. Lol. So some boys sacrifice half of the story just to 
keep the wife happy. I don't know man. I can kinda see their point but come on 
now, you need true Dolby Atmos to get the full story.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2016 7:59 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' 
Subject: RE: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

Hi Dane
Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years. 
B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers B MT1 rear speakers Linn Sizmik 
sub-woofer

Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The fact I 
have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the products. Mind 
you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them either! I am still 
very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a driver a couple of years 
ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as I was warned there weren't 
many left. 

The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front speakers 
built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the living room 
completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated my previous floor 
standing speakers with a passion because of their size and the trailing cables. 
She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap me in all the wire I have 
around the house and bury me in them! So the cabinet was a way of hiding the 
cables. I even had the cables leading to the rear speakers plastered into the 
wall. The problem I have now is that when I have to replace the front speakers 
I will either have to find something the same size that will fit the cabinet or 
get rid of a very expensive and elaborate piece of furniture. Secretly I would 
like to go back to floor standing speakers one day but she will kill me!

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 03 October 2016 00:43
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

Hi John!
You mention you have some Bowers And Wilkins speakers as part of your system so 
which models do you have? I m looking at their range of floor standing models 
for the lounge, a bit of saving to do to own a pair of those but - if the B 
A5, A7 and Z2 active speaker systems which I ve owned are anything to go by - 
then a year s saving will be well worth the wait, any additional comments?

> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 5:12 am, John Gurd  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim
> I just saw your enquiry. I don't have the Sonos Conect:Amp, but I do have the 
> Sonos Connect. So I don't know how good the Connect Amp is at powering 
> Speakers and How they would sound. I got the Connect which feeds my Arcam 
> AVR750 receiver with a digital signal which in turn powers a 5.1 set of B 
> speakers. I use the Connect with Wi-Fi and listen to streaming media from 
> Apple Music and Amazon. There is never any buffering or dropout. It sounds 
> surprisingly excellent with these music sources. I expected it to sound 
> inferior to my old Logitech Transporter but it doesn't. I never got around to 
> listening to uncompressed music on it yet which I hope should sound even 
> better. The only drawback may be that it can't play HD audio sources by which 
> I mean anything sampled above 48000 or 24bit. But anything at CD quality is 
> very good. 
> 
> As the Connect:Amp has its own amplification stage I can't comment on that 
> side of things from a personal experience. I will say that my other Sonos 
> equipment i.e.: a stereo pair of the small Sonos Play 1 speakers sound very 
> good for their size.
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 29 September 2016 19:21
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: SonosConnectAmp.
> 
> I don t own one though I certainly will be looking at one in the coming days.
> The Songs connect gets good write-ups and I m looking forward to using one 
> for two reasons, I m looking forward to having a play with the Songs App and 
> I m looking forward to using the digital output on my system with my DAC.
> 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 4:16 am, Jim Noseworthy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> HiGang:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can anyone on this list comment about the quality of the Sonos 
>> Connect Amp":?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks all over the place.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

[John Gurd]

Hi Dane
Yes, I've had the following set up for about ten years. 
B CWM8180 left right and centre speakers 
B MT1 rear speakers 
Linn Sizmik sub-woofer

Sadly, all the above are now obsolete so it's not much help to you. The fact I 
have kept them so long shows I have been very happy with the products. Mind 
you, it could also show I couldn't afford to replace them either! I am still 
very happy with the sound. The centre speaker blew a driver a couple of years 
ago and I was lucky to get a part to replace it as I was warned there weren't 
many left. 

The mistake I made at the time I bought them was having the 3 front speakers 
built into a purpose built media cabinet. We were having the living room 
completely renovated at the time and my wife has always hated my previous floor 
standing speakers with a passion because of their size and the trailing cables. 
She hates wires. She says when I die she will wrap me in all the wire I have 
around the house and bury me in them! So the cabinet was a way of hiding the 
cables. I even had the cables leading to the rear speakers plastered into the 
wall. The problem I have now is that when I have to replace the front speakers 
I will either have to find something the same size that will fit the cabinet or 
get rid of a very expensive and elaborate piece of furniture. Secretly I would 
like to go back to floor standing speakers one day but she will kill me!

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: 03 October 2016 00:43
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Bowers And Wilkins Speakers

Hi John!
You mention you have some Bowers And Wilkins speakers as part of your system so 
which models do you have? I m looking at their range of floor standing models 
for the lounge, a bit of saving to do to own a pair of those but - if the B 
A5, A7 and Z2 active speaker systems which I ve owned are anything to go by - 
then a year s saving will be well worth the wait, any additional comments?

> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 5:12 am, John Gurd  wrote:
> 
> Hi Jim
> I just saw your enquiry. I don't have the Sonos Conect:Amp, but I do have the 
> Sonos Connect. So I don't know how good the Connect Amp is at powering 
> Speakers and How they would sound. I got the Connect which feeds my Arcam 
> AVR750 receiver with a digital signal which in turn powers a 5.1 set of B 
> speakers. I use the Connect with Wi-Fi and listen to streaming media from 
> Apple Music and Amazon. There is never any buffering or dropout. It sounds 
> surprisingly excellent with these music sources. I expected it to sound 
> inferior to my old Logitech Transporter but it doesn't. I never got around to 
> listening to uncompressed music on it yet which I hope should sound even 
> better. The only drawback may be that it can't play HD audio sources by which 
> I mean anything sampled above 48000 or 24bit. But anything at CD quality is 
> very good. 
> 
> As the Connect:Amp has its own amplification stage I can't comment on that 
> side of things from a personal experience. I will say that my other Sonos 
> equipment i.e.: a stereo pair of the small Sonos Play 1 speakers sound very 
> good for their size.
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 29 September 2016 19:21
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: SonosConnectAmp.
> 
> I don t own one though I certainly will be looking at one in the coming days.
> The Songs connect gets good write-ups and I m looking forward to using one 
> for two reasons, I m looking forward to having a play with the Songs App and 
> I m looking forward to using the digital output on my system with my DAC.
> 
>> On 30 Sep. 2016, at 4:16 am, Jim Noseworthy 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> HiGang:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Can anyone on this list comment about the quality of the Sonos 
>> Connect Amp":?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks all over the place.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> **
> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
> halfwits in this world behind.
> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[Dane Trethowan]

Yes, you pretty much summed it up and I’ll get to that in a moment.
I’ve not heard of the speaker you mentioned but I do know of something that 
sounds similar, the new Bowers And Wilkins Zeplin wireless which has Bluetooth 
and Airplay facilities as well as Spotify Connect.
Unfortunately Bowers And Wilkins have seen fit not to give the Zeplin Air DLNA 
connectivity, perhaps the thinking at B is that DLNA isn’t as good as AirPlay.
Now that Bluetooth AptX is in use widely I just don’t see a future for AirPlay 
and the “Lag” exhibited by AirPlay is perhaps the most telling point in this 
discussion, absolutely no good for wireless headphones for example.

> On 4 Oct. 2016, at 5:37 pm, John Gurd  wrote:
> 
> I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both Airplay
> and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you select either.
> I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.
> 
> John
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
> Trethowan
> Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
> 
> Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just how
> many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years ago?
> 
> 
> 
> On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
>> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio using 
>> a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
>> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
>> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>> 
>> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
>>> least it
>> is still there.
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
 On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
 
>> wrote:
 Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control center, 
 it
>> was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
>> you not mentioned it.
 
 **
 
 Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
 outlooks
>> are the solution.
 
> On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although 
> you
>> might not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to 
>> "page 2, in your control center view, by doing the iOS page change 
>> three finger flick, one of the things you will see in there with other 
>> music controls is the announcement iPhone, assuming you were using an 
>> iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're using an iPad. Double tap on 
>> that, and you will see all the choices of whatever other airplay and 
>> able audio devices you have. This is true for the Amazon music app and 
>> the Apple Music app. I assume it's true in general, although those are 
>> the only two I tried. Frankly, I like the option of having the air 
>> play control it within the app. That's how it used to be before they moved
> it to control center. And I wish they would put it back.
>> Or at least wish they would have the flexibility for app developers to 
>> include that airplay functionality right in the main screen of the 
>> app. That was the most convenient I thought.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>> 
>> wrote:
>> Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?
>> 
>> I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the 
>> control
>> center and activate AirPlay from there.
>> On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - 
>> which I
>> don't have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio 
>> to any other compatible device.
>> The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the Music 
>> App,
>> launch the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, a 
>> little annoying to have to perform that extra step but at least I can 
>> still select my AirPlay device of choice in a roundabout way it has to be
> said.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: IOS 10 And AirPlay

[John Gurd]

I've got a speaker in my loft called a Stealth Air 2 which has both Airplay
and Bluetooth with a rather nifty little remote that lets you select either.
I use Bluetooth every time. Less laggy for one thing.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: 03 October 2016 12:37
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay

Hmm.. interesting point however take a look around you and count just how
many AirPlayed enabled devices there are now compared to a few years ago?



On 3/10/2016 5:32 PM, John Gurd wrote:
> Surely Apple wouldn't invent a whole system of Airplaying audio using 
> a method different from anyone else to thousands of appliances 
> designed just for it and depended upon by millions of people just to 
> get rid of it? No, that doesn't sound like Apple! (Grin)
>
> John
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: 03 October 2016 04:15
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: IOS 10 And AirPlay
>
> Still there yes but I'm given to wondering just how long for?
>
>
>
> On 3/10/2016 1:14 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Well, they don't exactly advertise it, nor is it well labeled. At 
>> least it
> is still there.
>> Mary
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 2, 2016, at 5:40 PM, Dane Trethowan 
>>> 
> wrote:
>>> Okay thanks for that, I found the iPhone icon in the Control center, 
>>> it
> was where you said on page two, would never have known about it had 
> you not mentioned it.
>>>
>>> **
>>>
>>> Those with negative attitudes are a problem, those with positive 
>>> outlooks
> are the solution.
>>>
 On 3 Oct. 2016, at 7:06 am, Mary Otten  wrote:

 You can still get to the audio airplay in control center, although 
 you
> might not know it because it's in adequately labeled. If you go to 
> "page 2, in your control center view, by doing the iOS page change 
> three finger flick, one of the things you will see in there with other 
> music controls is the announcement iPhone, assuming you were using an 
> iPhone. Or it might say iPad, if you're using an iPad. Double tap on 
> that, and you will see all the choices of whatever other airplay and 
> able audio devices you have. This is true for the Amazon music app and 
> the Apple Music app. I assume it's true in general, although those are 
> the only two I tried. Frankly, I like the option of having the air 
> play control it within the app. That's how it used to be before they moved
it to control center. And I wish they would put it back.
> Or at least wish they would have the flexibility for app developers to 
> include that airplay functionality right in the main screen of the 
> app. That was the most convenient I thought.
 Mary


 Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 2, 2016, at 12:27 PM, Dane Trethowan 
> 
> wrote:
> Has anyone bothered to use IOS 10 with AirPlay?
>
> I'm wondering if you've noticed what I have if you go into the 
> control
> center and activate AirPlay from there.
> On my iPhone I only see the option to Mirror to an Apple TV - 
> which I
> don't have at the moment - and I don't see an option to stream audio 
> to any other compatible device.
> The only way I know of to get around this is to go into the Music 
> App,
> launch the mini player view and select an AirPlay device from there, a 
> little annoying to have to perform that extra step but at least I can 
> still select my AirPlay device of choice in a roundabout way it has to be
said.
>
>
>
>
>

is windows 10 still free

[André van Deventer]

Hi all

 

Just want to know – is the windows 10 upgrade still free?