Trying To Keep JuiceReceiver Alive
Maybe this is the same psychology that compels someone to wear the same pair of slippers for years and years ... but I still love the JuiceReceiver podcatcher program, and I have kept it with me through several computers and a few different operating systems. It even worked great, surprisingly enough, when I first installed Windows 7 Professional on my current Dell laptop. But after re-formatting and reinstalling Windows 7 following the attack of a boot sector virus, I've found I no longer can run Juice with any degree of success. Every time I attempt to start the program, I receive the following message: Errors occurred. See the logfile 'C:\Program Files (x86)\Juice\Juice.exe.log' for details. The text of this log file is as follows: Traceback (most recent call last): File gui.py, line 4, in ? File iPodderGui.pyc, line 3573, in main File ipodder\configuration.pyc, line 468, in __init__ File os.pyc, line 154, in makedirs OSError: [Errno 17] File exists: 'C:\\Users\\Home\\My Documents\\My Received Podcasts' I know from various other Web posts over the years that cleaning up bad log entries might lead to this program becoming useful again; but as of right now I can't even get into the proper option inside the program that would allow me to clean it up. Any ideas? Thanks to anyone out there for any suggestions that I've not yet thought of. Alternatively, if it is unlikely that Juice will work with Windows 7 as I currently have it installed, any better idea for how I can retain the same functionality without having to use iTunes for podcasts? -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Clarifying My Problem With Laptop's Not Recording Sound Card Output
On 10/27/11, Brett Boyer bboyer...@gmail.com wrote: is it that you are not able to see stereo mix in your sound control dialog box? Yes, Brett, this is indeed part of the problem. In all the reading I had done about laptops and direct sound recording, a consistent message seems to indicate that I need to specify that I want to record from the STEREO MIX in order for this to happen. The four options available to me in the RECORDING tab of my Control Panel sound settings are Rec. Playback, Microphone Array, Microphone/Line In, or Dock Mic. I have gone into the application and have checked both SHOW DISABLED DEVICES and SHOW DISCONNECTED DEVICES. Here's one point I mentioned before to the list; it could give you a clue to where my problem lies. Interestingly, if I am running speech output in JAWS when the recording is set to start, it will record JAWS speech output that comes through my integrated sound if I have specified the Dock Mic as my recording source. But it will not record the multimedia content that is playing via Windows Media Player, Internet Explorer, iTunes, etc., at the same time. To see whether JAWS itself was the problem, I turned off speech output and ran JAWS strictly through my Braille display. Then I started a media stream, set Replay AV's timer to record output from the integrated sound, and waited until the recording was supposed to stop. When I checked it later, there was no recording whatsoever, even though I had been present and knew the stream had been playing through my speakers all along. Just to be clear this is not a dell issue. I have owned a few dells in my time and I have been very happy with them. I too am very happy with my Dell, considering that it is a Precision that probably cost $6,000 on the new market. I purchased it lightly used from a U.T. grad student for $900, as she was switching over completely to the Apple platform to meet work requirements. It still had more than two years left on its Dell warranty when I purchased it, too, so I have received meaningful support from the manufacturer even though I paid a mere fraction of the original cost. As with all systems, though, one needs to get around various quirks and limitations before being able to do everything one wants. Not a surprise to me at this stage of my life. Also are all your sound drivers up-to-date? The dell updater is not completely accessible but it does work. I'll check this out next. Thanks to Brett and Kelly for your input so far. -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Clarifying My Problem With Laptop's Not Recording Sound Card Output
On 10/27/11, Steve Jacobson steve.jacob...@visi.com wrote: Are you now using Windows 7 and have your past successful experiences been with Windows XP? ... There are things about Windows 7 that I don't completely understand. For example, I've accidentally had Eloquence come out of my headphones while Windows sounds still came out of my speakers with the same sound card, but I have not been able to do this intentionally. Steve, you have it pegged correctly. Yes, my previous experiences have involved Windows XP Professional, while all of the issues I am trying to overcome here are with a Windows 7 notebook. Yes, I too have had that funny separation occur involving JAWS coming out of a different output channel from the one where multimedia content is playing. I've not figured that one out, either. I've not tried direct sound recording yet with a Windows 7 desktop that has a separate, dedicated sound card. So far I've used only this notebook with built-in, integrated sound. Regardless of the cause, a third-party software solution is logical to try; but the one which appears to work, according to testimonials I have read, seems to be inaccessible. Ultimately, my solution might look like keeping an older XP PC or netbook around just to make and process simple sound recordings, as well as other functions that don't necessarily require a lot of memory-intensive multitasking. My Windows 7 notebook is fast, and its function above all is to perform tasks related to profitable work. For this, I am satisfied it will do just fine. -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Any JAWS Scripts For I-Sound Recorder?
Hello. Not long ago I wrote to the BlindReplay list and to this list asking for solutions in respect to why I am not able to capture audio output directly from my Dell Precision notebook's sound card in Replay AV. Having received no answer from either list, I did some digging and discovered that the problem's likely cause is that my Dell notebook in reality has no sound card. Instead, it has integrated sound, and therefore I cannot point my RECORDING SETTINGS in Windows 7 Control Panel to Stereo Mixer, which seems to be required for me to record direct stereo sound like this in Windows 7. In reading solutions that have worked for some, I ran across a program called I-Sound Recorder, which claims to enable this function in Windows 7 and Vista without requiring a dedicated sound card. The claim is that if I use I-Sound Recorder to capture files in WMA or MP3 format, I can bypass the normal Windows 7 requirement to have a separate sound card and set my recording option to Stereo Mixer. Problem is, when I run I-Sound Recorder, I find that its controls are inaccessible--completely invisible, in fact, using JAWS. Has anyone ever tried to script a solution to this? If not, I will either have to commission someone to write a script, or I'll need to purchase and install a true sound card if this is possible. Thanks. -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Trouble Recording From Sound Card With Latest Replay AV
Hello. I am a blind user of Applian's Replay Suite, and not long ago I installed Version 8.3 of this program after I had upgraded my notebook to run the Windows 7 64-bit Professional operating system. To my disappointment, I found at first that portions of the latest Replay suite seem inaccessible running JAWS 11. I found I was able to work around my issue to some degree and, through manually entering a station's URL into the edit field in the Basic Tab in the show's properties, I' have verified that I can download streams. But my latest problem is that I am unable successfully to record media streams using the output from my laptop's sound card and/or speakers. Interestingly, if I am running speech output in JAWS when the recording is set to start, it will record JAWS speech output that comes through my sound card. But it will not record the multimedia content that is playing via Windows Media Player, Internet Explorer, or another program at the same time. To see whether JAWS itself was the problem, I turned off speech output and ran JAWS strictly through my Braille display. Then I started a media stream, set Replay AV's timer to record output from the sound card, and waited until the recording was supposed to stop. When I checked it later, there was no recording whatsoever, even though I had been present and knew the stream had been playing through my sound card all along. I notice in Replay Settings that I can choose as my preferred sound card driver any of three options: Microphone/Line In IDT High, Microphone Array (High Definition), or Dock Mic (High Definition). I think I've tried each of these, and the only one that even gives me a JAWS output recording is the first. Any idea what my problem is? Or how it might be solved? Thanks. -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Some Questions About Optimizing Graphical Display Settings In Windows 7 w/JFW
Hello, CathyAnne and Anna. First of all, I have been greatly enjoying the material I purchased from each of you on understanding Windows 7 with JAWS and the iPod Touch/iPhone, respectively. It's very detailed, and I have absorbed truly only a fraction of what you two have written. But these are fantastic references, and I have learned a few shortcuts from them already, with many more to come. My primary question here is about optimizing graphical-oriented settings in JAWS 11 (or above) so that it will work effectively with the Replay A/V audio and video capture program produced by Applian. I figured that the two of you, given your varied expertise, might have run across this issue before. Not long after upgrading my Dell laptop to Windows 7, I started experiencing accessibility problems when I attempted to install and use the latest version (8.3) of that particular program. My disappointment started when I discovered that much of Replay A/V now appears to be inaccessible to me--as in when I attempt to find and select a specific Internet radio station or to order up a customized recording for a later time. The only way I've found to use this program even partially is through utilizing the JAWS Cursor; but even with this method I can't effectively search for a radio or TV station, nor can I easily edit the properties for anything I wish to record or capture on given days or at given times. In the past I've never had to use any kind of JAWS scripts for this program, nor have I seen that any were ever written. I never had to use the JAWS Cursor--just the application cursor in conjunction with Tab and Arrow keys. The Media Guide used to look exactly like a Web browser screen, and I read it easily in XP using the Virtual PC Cursor just as I would read a Webpage using Internet Explorer 8. A sighted colleague who looked at this with me said that the Media Guide in Ver. 8.3 is still nothing more than a Web page written in HTML 4, which JAWS ought to read just fine. But nothing shows up with the Virtual PC Cursor--no edit boxes, text, or links of any kind. As a result, I've begun to wonder what the optimal display settings are for Windows 7 if one is running JAWS 11 or above. I've noticed that the various display options I can set as a user in Windows 7 are much more refined than in previous versions, with not all of them being grouped in the same menu or part of the Control Panel as what I remember from Windows XP. For example, there is even a setting for whether I want the screen to be viewed in Landscape mode or Portrait mode--(mine was set to Landscape by default, surprisingly enough). So my main question is whether either of you, FS, or anyone else has published a comprehensive training guide to optimization of visual settings specifically for the Windows 7 OS. Tech support staff at Freedom Scientific has told me that in essence none of this matters any more, except for remembering to set the theme to Windows 7 Basic. I understand my dilemma here is OS related; but since a fairly high number of blind computer users have purchased the Applian Capture Suite or parts of it, I am copying the PC Audio Discussion List on this message in case someone there has specific experience doing what I am trying to do. Similar messages written to the JFW Support Mailing List and the Blindreplay list have resulted in inconclusive answers that tell me nothing about what to try. So thanks in advance to everybody for your patience, as well as for any help you might provide. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Skype 4.0 with screen readers
Hello. I have limited experience using Skype, but have experimented with this increasingly over the last few months. I use Skype 4.0 with JFW 10 and have found that with the third party scripts it is simple to modify settings, to search for and add contacts, etc. I have also found that this is quite doable when I choose to use refreshable Braille exclusively as my method of reading the screen. -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Two Items of Accessible Broadcast Equipment for Sale
Greetings. I live in Mishawaka, Indiana, USA, and am a former member of the commercial radio fraternity. Because I served as a board operator for several years in the 1980s and early '90s, I've got two pieces of equipment that were meant to make my job accessible as a totally blind member of the industry: the Aud A Level and the Aud A Meter. The first is designed to help a blind board operator monitor and properly adjust levels on an analog board, while the second is designed for digital boards. Since I've been out of the industry for several years and am cleaning out my inventory of equipment I no longer use, I want to put these up to see what the best offer is they might command. Here is the Aud A Level product description, as posted on AbleData's Web site: AUD A LEVEL (MODELS 1102 1100) Aud A Level, models 1102 1100, are audible recording level indicators designed for use by individuals who are blind or have low vision. The devices connect to the monitor jack of recording equipment. A small speaker produces a tone if the volume level of the recording exceeds the proper level. Pitch of tone is proportional to the degree volume exceeds proper level; varying pitch level allows rapid adjustment of equipment. Time can be read to 2 second accuracy for broadcast and other precision timing. Professional model (1102) has additional control features. POWER: battery. DIMENSIONS: 1.5 by 2 by 3 inches. Next is the description of the Aud A Meter, taken from the same source: AUD A METER (MODEL 1070) 4 CHAN AUD A METER (MODEL 1071) Audible and tactile meter reader. Connects across the terminals of any electrically driven visual meter movement. Applications include ham radio, broadcast, automotive, analog computer readout, electronic, radio and TV test equipment. 4 channel unit connects to 4 different meters; has selector switch. My Aud A Level was used for several years, but never had any problems and, as far as I know, is still in excellent condition. Because I operated mostly analog boards, the Aud A Meter never has been used and is effectively new, although it was purchased some 20 years ago. I believe it is the four-channel unit; but obviously, if someone has interest, I will verify by looking at the product and getting in touch with its makers. The manufacturer of these two devices still is in business. Formerly known as Science Products for the Blind, this firm is now known as Captek, Inc., and it's located in Pennsylvania. It does not appear that Captek any longer manufactures these two particular devices, and AbleData does not publish a hint as to what price these would command at this time. Captek's Web site may be found at http://www.captek.net/Site/Welcome.html If interested, please reply to this message, or phone me at the numbers listed below. Sincerely, Kane Brolin Office: (574)254-9192, Ext. 1 Wireless: (574)386-8868 To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Trouble Capturing Real Media Streams with Replay A/V
Greetings. I want to start by saying that I've been quite happy overall with the capture of Internet radio streams I've been able to do using Replay A/V. But I have encountered one massive obstacle: the inability to listen to streams that represent stations transmitting in .RM (Real Media) format. Just this past Saturday evening, I attempted such a recording: a program that was to last for nine hours from a radio station (KUNI-FM of Cedar Falls, Iowa) that feeds to the Internet using Real Media. My Replay A/V recording broke this feed up into each individual hour, leaving me with nine separate .RM files and nine separate [converted] MP3 files to match them. Everything seemed to be captured. But the mP3 files were not playable with any program, and the .RM files will play for less than two seconds in RealPlayer before freezing. I am using Windows XP Pro SP3 with what I believe to be the newest version of Replay A/V (Ver. 8.52C) and a fairly recent version of the free RealPlayer (11.0.4). I also tried to convert my .RM files to MP3 using the fully licensed SoundTaxi 3.7.7, but each conversion attempt failed. Is Real Media incompatible with Replay A/V? Or do I just need to purchase an advanced version of RealPlayer? Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads
Gee, I didn't think I would create such a partisan firestorm by throwing out the descriptive video questions. But it is a fascinating discussion that has taken turns I did not expect. I am an NFB member, but do not look at issues with a viewpoint that's as partisan as the Boomer Generation Federationists. I don't spend a lot of time with video content at this point in my life, but have run into descriptive video in the past and simply presumed it would have become more prevalent in the last 5-10 years. It seems that the trend toward video description actually has reversed itself, at least in the United States. So Bruce, are you suggesting that if one finds a DVD series like your Canadian sitcom that's commercially available, use DVD Audio Extractor as a means of listening to the whole content of the DVD? Or does this program simply convert the DVD into a format that some other player such as Windows Media Player or Winamp can process? Regards, -Kane - Original Message - From: Bruce Toews br...@ogts.net To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 6:28 PM Subject: RE: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads If you like good humor, try the Canadian TV show Corner Gas. Seasons 2 through the present all have described video on the commercial DVD's. Bruce On Thu, 5 Mar 2009, Dave McElroy WA6BEF wrote: Oh really? What planet do you live on? lol NFB and their ilk kind of did it to us when they got the feds to say that it was no longer a requirement. So now if you really want descriptive programming you have to find it outside of our shores. -Original Message- From: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Thursday, March 05, 2009 1:42 PM To: j...@freelists.org Cc: Blind iPod Mailing List; pc-audio@pc-audio.org Subject: Descriptive Video on Commercial DVDs and Downloads Hi, folks. I'm probably about to ask a question that's painfully obvious to many. But I'm showing up at the descriptive video/SAP party much later than some. I'm writing to the JAWS list because I am a JAWS user. I'm writing to the Blind iPod list because purchasing video content on iTunes is now accessible through use of the J-tunes interface. So I hope others view this question as at least somewhat relevant. I'm presuming, first of all, that most Hollywood feature films on DVD come with a descriptive video track encoded somewhere on them. I'm presuming the same could be true with downloadable films and TV shows, too, as from iTunes. Certainly, most DVDs representing TV programs where action was described in the first place, should have that same DVS output on the subsequent DVD release. If this is true, I'm wondering about the following: 1. How can I be sure, if a film or TV show is downloaded, to get the download version that has descriptive video encoded? Is there a good source for such material? Is there a way I can know for sure about this feature before I buy? 2. When playing such downloaded or DVD content on the computer, is there a software player that is fairly accessible and which also has a menu option I can invok for activating or turning off the descriptions? I've not seen this in RealPlayer or Windows Media Player, but maybe I'm just not looking in the right place. 3. Am I being completely naive here? Obviously, I know a lot of stuff isn't accessible on its face, and I realize legislation in front of Congress is attempting to make much of this universal. I've heard of some people going to a place like the Serotek network to download versions of films that have been uploaded specifically for those wanting video description. But is this truly necessary? Or can the same content be obtained through regular channels with just a little bit of work on the part of the blind consumer? Just trying to get a handle on this issue, for my own benefit and for others I may encounter. Kind regards, -Kane To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
Re: Online GoldWave class starting October 28
Steve: Is the beginners' audio editing class available in any form from Web Conduit? I'm contemplating the purchase of GoldWave. I would say I'm on the strong end of the intermediate PC using category with excellent keyboarding skills. But I've never performed a digital audio edit to this point. Thanks. -Kane Jonathan Mosen List Founder Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MLB game day audio and BrailleSense
On 3/4/08, Gary G Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was able to listen to the Phillies and Pirates successfully yesterday. Gary, did you try this on your Braille Sense? I'm curious to see whether this will work on a Braille Sense, BrailleNote, PAC Mate, or (alternatively) an Icon. I haven't yet obtained one of these devices, but plan to do so rather soon. It would be fun to have portable access to MLB's media player through a wifi connection in the house. everything is back to normal now. the only thing worth mentioning is I lost my feed when browsing to another site on the internet. I was looking at some podcasts and my window disappeared, thus my audio was gone. This does happen sometimes. But I've not found that the MLB player window is highly unstable. It usually stays with me as long as I want it. When the ball clubs do webcasts, I wish the audio wouldn't sound so damn cheap. I guess that's why we pay around $15 for the entire season of just audio feeds, while those who want the television feed pay nearly $15 each month. There is a bandwidth difference. To be fair, the reason why some of these audio feeds sound as though they were filtered or as though they went through a bad phone line, is because that is reflective of how the signal is fed into the radio stations carrying the games. Even on HD radio, I doubt that you're getting CD-quality sound from the ballparks. Most stations probably believe this is unnecessary, since MLB over-the-air broadcasts usually are aired on low-wattage talk or sports talk AM stations any more, not on great clear channel stations and certainly not on FM stereo stations. I think this year's audio feeds from MLB.com are better than last year's. You gave a nice description of the various broadcast links. Thanks. I did this in case someone else on the list has an issue with GameDay Audio in the future. One other thing to keep in mind: MLB.com does not use the exact same media playing protocols for all feeds. For example, there's no way to play archived daily fast casts or videos (as of interviews that were done for MLB Radio) if you're using JAWS. You can get to these interview or headline feeds, but because they're all offered only using the SilverLight flash player, we as blind users have no way to activate those feeds' PLAY mechanism. Fortunately, it is possible for us to receive live or archived audio feeds of games, because even though these are offered to us in SilverLight to start with, you can switch to original media player. It also is possible always to listen to the audio feed of Baseball Channel.TV, which airs programs such as Staying Hot and Fantasy 411. This apparently doesn't stream by default in SilverLight. One more final, final note: If you delete your cookies in Internet Explorer, as I had to do yesterday for an unrelated reason, you'll have to opt for the original media player again next time you turn on a game feed. As long as you don't delete cookies, you'll not have to make that selection each time; GameDay Audio will default to the original media player setting -Kane - Original Message - From: Kane Brolin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Monday, March 03, 2008 5:40 PM Subject: Re: MLB game day audio and BrailleSense On 3/2/08, Gary G Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am glad you brought up the silver lite thing. somehow I was able to go back and choose the classic media player. I heard from a tech support rep at Freedom Scientific today. He affirms that, as far as he knows, SilverLight is not accessible to JAWS. In fact, the program might have been developed specifically so that only a mouse could invoke the SilverLight player. (Thanks again for your sensitivity to access issues, Microsoft!) When I tried the silverlight thing, I was told something about doing maintenance and to try later which didn't make sense at the time when I wanted to listen to a live ball game. Gary, I got that same message after switching from the SilverLight player to the classic media player and trying to listen to a game this past Friday. However, today I received some positive results: I loaded the GameDay Audio page, chose a feed I wanted to hear, logged in with my password, and realized that Internet Explorer had remembered my preference for the classic media player. I didn't have to select it again. And after getting past the security prompts, the game played just fine and with much better and more consistent audio quality than I had remembered from 2007. somehow I thought that I may have clicked on the TV feed by accident. During spring training, interestingly enough, some of those TV feeds actually are viewable by those who haven't paid the $14.99/month--or whatever it is--to watch the live TV games. MLB.com makes those available to us as a promotional thing, of course, so that people who benefit from
Re: MLB game day audio and BrailleSense
On 3/2/08, Gary G Schindler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am glad you brought up the silver lite thing. somehow I was able to go back and choose the classic media player. I heard from a tech support rep at Freedom Scientific today. He affirms that, as far as he knows, SilverLight is not accessible to JAWS. In fact, the program might have been developed specifically so that only a mouse could invoke the SilverLight player. (Thanks again for your sensitivity to access issues, Microsoft!) When I tried the silverlight thing, I was told something about doing maintenance and to try later which didn't make sense at the time when I wanted to listen to a live ball game. Gary, I got that same message after switching from the SilverLight player to the classic media player and trying to listen to a game this past Friday. However, today I received some positive results: I loaded the GameDay Audio page, chose a feed I wanted to hear, logged in with my password, and realized that Internet Explorer had remembered my preference for the classic media player. I didn't have to select it again. And after getting past the security prompts, the game played just fine and with much better and more consistent audio quality than I had remembered from 2007. somehow I thought that I may have clicked on the TV feed by accident. During spring training, interestingly enough, some of those TV feeds actually are viewable by those who haven't paid the $14.99/month--or whatever it is--to watch the live TV games. MLB.com makes those available to us as a promotional thing, of course, so that people who benefit from the visuals will buy the MLB video package. You probably know that you can opt for a certain home team or road team audio feed just by clicking on the name of the flagship station where the program airs in the radio world. For instance, I caught part of the St. Louis-Washington game earlier today and was able to go straight to it by clicking on the link labeled WWWT, which is the name of the Washington Nationals' flagship station this season. Usually the video feeds, while not named after a station, are named by the type or speed of the Web stream: such as 750K or 400K. Happy listening. Play ball! -Kane - Original Message - From: KANE BROLIN [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, March 02, 2008 5:51 PM Subject: Re: MLB game day audio and BrailleSense HHi, Gary and others. I've run MLB's GameDay Audio on a PC for ten years now. Just this year, I've discovered that MLB tends now to play most of its multimedia content inside a Microsoft SilverLight frame--somewhat somilar to an Adobe Flash Player frame, except it's Microsoft's proprietary flash player. Even on a PC, this causes lots of problems if one is totally without eyesight and running a screen reader, because JAWS does not seem to recognize or allow me to invoke any of the buttons inside of the SilverLight frame with the keyboard. I've brought up this issue on the PC Audio Discussion List previously, and I've presented it to JAWS Tech Support too. No answer as yet. You do have the option sometimes to make MLB's site honor your preference of going back to their classic media player, which seems to be just Windows Media Player running inside a separate IE window. This works as long as MLB's multimedia sites are up and runnning. All this might cause a problem with Braille Sense. But since I've not used a Braille Sense before, I regr3ettably can't help you there. -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: TT PodCast and J-Tunes 3.2 information
Terrific! Glad to read aabout the new functionality, as several enhancements mentioned here are things I'd specifically requested. Good show! -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MLB game day audio and BrailleSense
HHi, Gary and others. I've run MLB's GameDay Audio on a PC for ten years now. Just this year, I've discovered that MLB tends now to play most of its multimedia content inside a Microsoft SilverLight frame--somewhat somilar to an Adobe Flash Player frame, except it's Microsoft's proprietary flash player. Even on a PC, this causes lots of problems if one is totally without eyesight and running a screen reader, because JAWS does not seem to recognize or allow me to invoke any of the buttons inside of the SilverLight frame with the keyboard. I've brought up this issue on the PC Audio Discussion List previously, and I've presented it to JAWS Tech Support too. No answer as yet. You do have the option sometimes to make MLB's site honor your preference of going back to their classic media player, which seems to be just Windows Media Player running inside a separate IE window. This works as long as MLB's multimedia sites are up and runnning. All this might cause a problem with Braille Sense. But since I've not used a Braille Sense before, I regr3ettably can't help you there. -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Accessibility Problem with Microsoft Silverlight?
I've run into an unusual problem involving the Microsoft Silverlight 1.0 plugin: something I didn't even know about until recently. Not long ago, a few sites I visit started encoding multimedia content onto Web pages using Silverlight. This requires the installation of a plugin. One of these sites is the multimedia portion of MLB.com, where you can hear news headlines and feature interviews with prominent individuals in the world of baseball: http://mlb.mlb.com/media/video.jsp?video=200712122324359 Clicking on a particular FastCast or interview link used to bring up a player window and lead to the immediate playback of the requested clip. But recently I noticed that a frame pops up which directs me to install the Silverlight plugin. I have done this. But now, when I click on a link on that particular page, I get only an area of the page identifying itself as an article player frame, but there is no button inside the frame, and no audible content plays. Silverlight does appear in my list of installed programs. I have installed all software updates called for by Microsoft Update. In addition, I have removed Spybot SD, whose IE add-ons were causing frequent browser errors and shut-downs. And the downloading and playing of ActiveX controls within my Internet security options is enabled. Does anyone have an idea? I am a blind PC user, employing JAWS 8 and using Internet Explorer 6 with Windows XP Professional. I might soon upgrade to IE 7, but don't know if this in itself will solve this problem. -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Feedback On JLC Internet TV Tuner
Hi, folks. Having just reconnected to this list, someone might have covered this in the past. A friend recently sent me a blurb about a supposedly 100% accessible TV tuner software program known as JLC Internet TV Tuner. This is said to be completely free, unlike many other programs of its kind advertised around the Net for at least $70. Has anyone used this? If so, does it work as advertised? What are the drawbacks? Thanks, -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bookport and other assistive technology
There is supposed to be a discussion forum on APH products at http://www.aph.org/. But the FORUM link is dead; I keep getting a Cannot Find Server error message. So either the forum has been eliminated or there are changes needed to the design of APH's site. -Kane On 9/3/07, albert griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've assumed news would be posted to, www.aph.org. Is this not correct? If it's going to continue to be portable, the speaker can't sound better than a good cell phone. Personally, I'll purchase my own docking station if it means keeping the size down to something I can easily carry in a pocket. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russ Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:30 PM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bookport and other assistive technology Hi It would be a help if there was a site where we could check the latest news on the new bookport.Somewhere we could also make suggestions for features. I hope that the new bookport does include a decent speaker, the comments I have heard about the Victor Stream say it has a very poor under powered speaker. I would also like the new bookport to have variable speed and pitch control for playing of audio files on the fly. The Stream has this feature but I do not know how well it works. Russ On 9/3/07, albert griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You're right about that. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Gary G Schindler Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 11:26 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bookport and other assistive technology It seems that the victor reader may be light years ahead of the bookport devices so maybe they are trying to come up with more innovative ideas. I believe the victor reader needs no transfer software, where the bookport does. - Original Message - From: albert griffith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 1:10 PM Subject: RE: Bookport and other assistive technology Like many MP3 players, it didn't. Supposedly, the new board will allow for many enhancements but they're not telling what they might be. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dane Trethowan Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 9:54 AM To: PC Audio Discussion List Subject: Re: Bookport and other assistive technology Ah ok, I'm not up-to-date with Bookports or much else in that area but I have to admit to being a little surprised that such a device didn't already have an in-built speaker, ah well you learn something every day I guess smile. On 03/09/2007, at 2:31 AM, Keith Gillard wrote: Hi, There are a couple of minor changes but the one I do remember is that there will be a built in speaker on the new model...KG - Original Message - From: Dane Trethowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: PC Audio Discussion List pc-audio@pc-audio.org Sent: Sunday, September 02, 2007 10:22 AM Subject: Bookport and other assistive technology And what is the new Bookport supposed to do that the old one doesn't do and how's the Icon coming along? On 03/09/2007, at 1:12 AM, Bobcat wrote: I haven't heard anything in months about the new Book Port. Wasn't it scheduled to come out this summer? Has anyone heard any recent updates? Bob Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone uk 0121 288 4976 Phone/tty (+61 3) 9747 975 Fax +61 3 9743 7954 mobile/sms: +61425 777 508 Skype: callto:grtdane12 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Join the fight against spam! Have your ISP enable client/server authentication. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** Dane Trethowan From Melton Victoria Australia Email [EMAIL PROTECTED] phone uk 0121 288 4976 Phone/tty (+61 3) 9747 975 Fax +61 3 9743 7954 mobile/sms: +61425 777 508 Skype: callto:grtdane12 MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] **
RFBD: Victor Reader vs. Bookport
I've been following the discussion--(I think it was on this list)--about portable media players other than the iPod, that can play different file types. I get the impression -that the iPod cannot play the protected format used by Recording for the Blind Dyslexic in the production of its digitized audio books. I also get the impression Bookport will play these. Will Victor Reader play RFBD material as well? -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Updated Napster Scripts for JFW?
Near the end of 2003 I downloaded a short set of scripts for Napster that were designed for Napster Client 2.0.7.2. These were offered, I believe, on AccessiblePrograms.com, but are not any more. Since the iTunes Music Store is largely inaccessible to me as a blind PC user, especially when it comes to downloading or buying full albums, I've thought recently about Napster and have gotten a trial subscription to start with. But I've noticed the Napster client software is up to Ver. 3.8.1.4 now, and JAWS doesn't seem to respond to it well without scripts. Brian, I singled you out on this message because you've written on the Blind iPod list that you use this service and are happy with it. But I find that I must use the JAWS cursor to do most of the navigating; and selecting exactly what I want and getting to all the background info and all available albums is tricky, with the Virtual PC Cursor sometimes working and sometimes not. Anyone have tips? I haven't seen this issue discussed on the JFW list since 2004. -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: verification messages on sites
Perhaps Google will find a way to fix this YouTube problem, as it has done with originsites such as Gmail. Note that Google did not invent YouTube. It just recently acquired it. You do not, by the way, have to subscribe to YouTube or to get around CAPTCHAs to listen to audio or watch videos, unless those have explicit sexual content. But you did have to subscribe, using the CAPTCHA as one element of that process, if you wish to post content. -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Updated Napster Scripts for JFW?
Brian: Thanks for the tips. I've played around more extensively now with Napster and think I know what to do to find and purchase albums linked to a certain artist. I'm sure I will have additional questions as I gradually get to know Napster. Yes, please send me anything you have written about this topic in the past if you think helpful ideas were presented. -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cassette deck for Digitizing Audio
Just a correction. The firm you were trying to refer to, DJ, actually is Numark, spelled with a u. A site offering Numark's USB turntable is as follows: http://www.floridamusicco.com/proddetail~prod~numark_ttusb.htm I'm not sure whether Numark offers a stand-alone cassette deck like this; but I get the impression the turntable has some kind of built-in cassette deck, because the Florida Music Co. description of this USB turntable talks about cassette transfer as one of the product's features. Perhaps it just means the ability to transfer from vinyl to cassette; but I certainly wouldn't buy the TTUSB for that reason alone unless I had no alternative source for a turntable. The home page for Numark, which appears to be based in Germany, is http://www.numark.com/ There is also an Instant Music Vinyl and Cassette Ripper priced between $49-59 U.S., found at http://www.thinkgeek.com/electronics/mp3/85fb/ I've not tested any of these products, but am looking for myself. -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Cassette deck for Digitizing Audio
DJ, I have forwarded your questions to a friend who operates a small computer business nextdoor to me and who is an avid audiophile and music digitizer/collector. It's easy to find places who will sell you equipment, but not nearly as easy to tell which products truly are reliable or which sites will stand behind their products. So I hope to have some decent qualitative info for y'all by the weekend. -Kane On 8/29/07, Tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you looking for a cassette deck with digital output or one with just analog output? I just did a search for cassette on http://www.jandr.com and got a hundred and five results in music. There are some nice decks under a hundred dollars and others even less expensive. I usually get items I order from them the next day in Pennsylvania. Tom ** Original Message From: Gary Petraccaro ** Mine's dead and Sony has me on indefinite backorder. Still have 600 tapes to go and there's Nothing local. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to subscribe to podcasts in itunes,
Sunshine: I don't know a thing about how iTunes works with respect to Window-Eyes, though I suspect somehow it does. I can tell you what I do in JFW 8. The same thing works for lower versions of JFW between 5.0 and 7.1, in case you've not upgraded. There are three different ways I can think of to subscribe to a podcast with the help of iTunes, using JFW. Two of them involve the Web, the third involves using only iTunes. In the first way, you go onto the Web--either to individual content providers' sites or onto a podcast repository such as Podcast.net--and you find the podcast you want. Sometimes, a site offering podcasts will allow you to click on a subscription URL that opens in Internet Explorer, containing XML code that you wouldn't normally care to read. But if this happens, what you're looking at is actually the set of coded instructions iTunes will use to define and capture the podcast you're subscribing to. If you land on such a page with XML code on it that's a subscription page, then type ALT+d to get to the address bar. Copy the URL of the page you're on with CTRL+c. Then, open an iTunes window, go to the menus, and navigate to one of the right-hand menu lists that will contain an item called SUBSCRIBE TO PODCAST. I don't know if there is a keyboard shortcut to this, but I have just navigated with the arrow keys until I've found it. Click on the SUBSCRIBE TO PODCAST entry, and you will land in an edit box. Paste the URL you've just copied into your clipboard, click the OK button, and iTunes will then automatically find and subscribe you to the podcast. Second: Sometimes a content provider's Web site will not have a specific link to click on that takes you to XML code. In such cases, though, the URL of the subscription page will be presented on the content provider's Web page as a type of text entry that you can't click on. In such cases you might need to go into iTunes and manually type out the URL into the SUBSCRIBE TO PODCAST edit box rather than copying and pasting. Third: Sometimes the podcast you're looking for will be available directly through iTunes. If you are in the PODCASTS field, you can use your JAWS cursor to navigate to the bottom of the screen, where you will find something called PODCAST DIRECTORY. Left-click on this with your JAWS cursor, which is the Numpad minus sign found directly above Numpad 8. Then, going back to your PC cursor and navigating around with your Tab and arrow keys, you will reach a search box. You can type the name of a podcast provider or subject category you're interested in and hit ENTER right after typing the search. Then, by tabbing once or twice more, you will come upon a list of podcasts generated by the iTunes store which match your search criterion. Entries are alphabetized, so you can scroll up and down with arrow keys through this list. You can play these simply by highlighting one and hitting ENTER, to see if it's something you like. If it is, you can then return to your JAWS cursor, go to the bottom of the screen, and locate the words SUBSCRIBE TO PODCAST. Left-click on the word SUBSCRIBE using that Numpad Minus key again, and you will be subscribed without having to type in or paste the URL anywhere. I am presuming you are using Brian's scripts, or some other JAWS add-on that makes iTunes a little accessible. Does this help? Write back if you need more direction. -Kane - Original Message - From: Sunshine [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; pc-audio@pc-audio.org; gw-info-gwmicro.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 8:20 PM Subject: How to subscribe to podcasts in itunes, how do you subscribe to podcasts in itunes? and how do you download the podcasts using jaws 8.0 and window eyes 6.1 Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Converting WMV Files to iPod Friendly Format
This is related somewhat to my prior post, about a Quicktime .MOV file that would not convert to any other format using SoundTaxi. I found the same podcast I wanted, except with episodes delivered via Juice in a .WMV format (used for Windows movies). SoundTaxi this time didn't even think about converting this to an MP3 or MP4 format, and it occurs to me that this is probably because SoundTaxi is in essence an audio program that probably cannot handle video or movie files of any kind. This time the error message spoke of format mismatch. Is this true? If so, is there a similar but more advanced type of conversion program that can take a movie file in one format (compatible with Windows Media Player, Real Media, etc.) and convert it into something the iPod will accept and play? Thanks, -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
FM Transmitters: Which One?
I'm becoming more and more interested in a simple FM transmitter that will take output from a computer's sound card--such as something streaming across the Net--and transmit this at low power to an FM frequency of my choosing so the output may be heard throughout my building. I know these have come down in price, and there are lots of options. Is there a place I can go to gain a good basic understanding of pros and cons and of differences between brands? I want decent quality, and I want something that will transmit on any FM frequency used widely in North America, not just the low or high end of these bands. And it would help if this is simple enough for someone totally blind to use. The first I heard about these was on a C Crane advertisement, but I'm sure their brand is not the only choice. Price is a consideration, but I don't want junk that will need replacing immediately, either. So I would pay a little more for reliability. Thanks for any suggestions or reference links. Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Dedicated Internet Radio Listening Devices
I recently have heard advertisements for a device, I think sold by C Crane, which permits someone to select and listen to direct streams live from the Internet, without the need for a full-featured PC. This might be a great device with which to travel, because all one needs (according to the ad) is a broadband connection and a wall-mounted AC outlet. How well do these devices work? With so many streams, format types, and feed sources out there, how does the user interact with this device to point to what you want? Is this at all feasible to operate if one does not have eyesight? Just curious, -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Quicktime Movie File Not Playing or Converting
It occurs to me another problem might be that my version of Quicktime, the free version, is not able to process or play movie files. Has anyone encountered profound differences between the free version and the professional version of Quicktime in regard to file formats? -Kane - Original Message - From: merrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 5:36 PM Subject: [blindipod] Re: Quicktime Movie File Not Playing or Converting I'm guessing here, but it may be sound taxi isn't working because it's using quick time to do the conversion and it needs the plug in, too. ~Merrill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kane Brolin Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2007 4:57 PM To: Blind iPod Mailing List; PC Audio Discussion List Subject: [blindipod] Quicktime Movie File Not Playing or Converting Out of the blue I've run into a frustrating situation: One of the podcasts I've subscribed to has an episode that came across as a .MOV file, meant to be played in Quicktime. The file downloads fine in either Juice or iTunes. But when I tried to copy it to my iPod automatically with iTunes, just as one would do with practically any other podcast episode, I received an error message saying that my kind of iPod (Video 30 GB) would not play it, so the Apple software will not copy it over. Then I found two other interesting aspects: (1) When attempting to play this file directly using Quicktime 7.2, I am given a generic message saying that a third-party add-on or plugin is needed to play this type of file in Quicktime. I am referred generally to a third party plugin archive maintained by Apple's Music Store, but there is no indication of which one I need. (2) Then I decided to use SoundTaxi to convert the file. In the beginning everything seems to go fine as I identify the file and then begin the conversion process. But then, right at about the 16% mark, my conversion stops and I get an error message stating simply Conversion didn't start within 60 seconds. I thought the percentage prompts told me it was starting immediately! What am I not picking up on here? Why is it not natural for a video-enabled iPod to receive and play .MOV files designed for Apple software to begin with? Thanks in advance for any help. -Kane More information about portable media devices can be obtained from the Portable Player Portal. Please visit www.hartgen.org and choose the Portable Player Portal link. To post a message, send your e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this list, please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put the word unsubscribe in the subject line. To contact the List Owner, Brian Hartgen: E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SKYPE: brianhartgen PHONE (UK): 0208-133-7186 PHONE (US): 213-985-3581 -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.2/966 - Release Date: 8/22/2007 9:05 AM More information about portable media devices can be obtained from the Portable Player Portal. Please visit www.hartgen.org and choose the Portable Player Portal link. To post a message, send your e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from this list, please send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and put the word unsubscribe in the subject line. To contact the List Owner, Brian Hartgen: E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] SKYPE: brianhartgen PHONE (UK): 0208-133-7186 PHONE (US): 213-985-3581 Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sean's Question About Yahoo! Groups
Sean: I don't know for sure what you need in terms of Yahoo! Groups. But I do use this part of Yahoo! for various purposes and would help you manage them for yourself if I know what you're trying to turn on or turn off. Please write off-list to [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you still need assistance. -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Listening to TV on my computer
Mike: You say most people who buy these satellite TV reception programs regret their purchase. Why? Is it because these programs wre unnecessary in spite of working well? or is it because they create a backdoor for malware, spyware, and viruses to destroy a system? -Kane Audio List Help, Guidelines, Archives and more... http://www.pc-audio.org To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
