RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[John Gurd]

If I remember correctly it's a minimum of 7 hours.

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Anders
Holmberg
Sent: 21 February 2016 19:09
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

Hi!
How long does the battery in this unit last if you do not charge the iphone?
/A
> On 21 Feb 2016, at 14:26, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> 
> I didtry the charging function anditdoes work,Idid nottry it for very 
> long,just to test.
> 
> John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mary
>> 
>> Excellent description. Just to add that if you want to charge a 
>> mobile device then you have to hold in the battery indicator button 
>> for about 7 seconds and this will activate the charging function. I 
>> haven't used it so I don't know if you can still play music while 
>> charging but I've turned it on and off. The only way to tell that it 
>> is indeed charging the device is from the screen of the mobile device
itself.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> cov...@ccs.covici.com
>> Sent: 20 February 2016 05:40
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>> 
>> OK, that will help -- thanks.
>> 
>> Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, John already reported about most of the controls in his 
>>> initial post on this topic. And that certainly helped. There is one 
>>> side of the device which could be thought of like the spine of a 
>>> book. It has no controls and is completely covered by the leather 
>>> casing. If you have the ha-2 lying on a table with that side facing 
>>> you, on the left end, from closest to you to furthest away, you have 
>>> a small knob which turns the device on with an audible click and 
>>> adjusts volume up as you turn, like an old-fashioned radio on/off 
>>> knob. Moving on that same end but away from you, you have aan imput 
>>> which is for I think John said is for line out to active speakers, 
>>> but is also for analog in. Not sure how that works, and I didn't pay 
>>> attention, since I don't have anything for that. Then last input on that
end is for your headphones.
>>> On the long side that is furthest away from you, first control on 
>>> the left is a button which you can press in and shows the charge 
>>> level of the
>> device.
>>> Inaccessible, of course. That is the one thing I wish it had, a way 
>>> to tell how much charge remains if you can't see the lights. Moving 
>>> to the right, you have the two position bass boost switch, and then 
>>> next to it moving to the right is the two position high/low gain switch.
>>> Finally, on the right end of the device,  you have, from back to 
>>> front, a small usb input, which is for connecting a computer or an 
>>> android device, a "regular" usb for connecting Apple i-devices and 
>>> finally, a 3 position slider which selects the input, a b or c, 
>>> corresponding to the analog in and the two usb ports.
>>> 
>>> There are 3 small cables included with the device, a usb to 
>>> lightning, one with two small usb plugs on it for the small input on 
>>> the device and for a usb to go out on an android device, and 
>>> finallyone for the analog. Sorry I never can remember the 
>>> nomenclature, which is usb b or a or whatever, but it is obvious 
>>> when you look at the cables what goes where. And there is a wall 
>>> plug and a much longer cable that has a usb plut that fits into the 
>>> wall charger, and the other end fits into the small usb input on the 
>>> device where you would normally plug in the android or computer 
>>> audio source.  You are suppose to be able to charge your i-phone 
>>> from this device. I'm not sure how that works. I did have my ipad 
>>> plugged in last night, listenig to some music, and it was not 
>>> charging, according to voice over. In any case, I don't think I'd 
>>> want to use this as a charger for my mobile device and be listening to
music at the same time. Maybe you can't even do that.
>>> 
>>> There is documentation in print that comes with the device, but I 
>>> haven't tried scanning it. It may be on the oppo website in a more 
>>> or less accessible form, but I have not looked there either. Hope 
>>> that helped. Probably way too long.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
>> How do
>> you spend it?
>> 
>> John Covici
>> cov...@ccs.covici.com
>> 
>> 
> 
> --
> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> How do
> you spend it?
> 
> John Covici
> cov...@ccs.covici.com
> 

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
How long does the battery in this unit last if you do not charge the iphone?
/A
> On 21 Feb 2016, at 14:26, cov...@ccs.covici.com wrote:
> 
> I didtry the charging function anditdoes work,Idid nottry it for very
> long,just to test.
> 
> John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Mary
>> 
>> Excellent description. Just to add that if you want to charge a mobile
>> device then you have to hold in the battery indicator button for about 7
>> seconds and this will activate the charging function. I haven't used it so I
>> don't know if you can still play music while charging but I've turned it on
>> and off. The only way to tell that it is indeed charging the device is from
>> the screen of the mobile device itself.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
>> cov...@ccs.covici.com
>> Sent: 20 February 2016 05:40
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>> 
>> OK, that will help -- thanks.
>> 
>> Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> Well, John already reported about most of the controls in his initial 
>>> post on this topic. And that certainly helped. There is one side of 
>>> the device which could be thought of like the spine of a book. It has 
>>> no controls and is completely covered by the leather casing. If you 
>>> have the ha-2 lying on a table with that side facing you, on the left 
>>> end, from closest to you to furthest away, you have a small knob which 
>>> turns the device on with an audible click and adjusts volume up as you 
>>> turn, like an old-fashioned radio on/off knob. Moving on that same end 
>>> but away from you, you have aan imput which is for I think John said 
>>> is for line out to active speakers, but is also for analog in. Not 
>>> sure how that works, and I didn't pay attention, since I don't have 
>>> anything for that. Then last input on that end is for your headphones.  
>>> On the long side that is furthest away from you, first control on the 
>>> left is a button which you can press in and shows the charge level of the
>> device.
>>> Inaccessible, of course. That is the one thing I wish it had, a way to 
>>> tell how much charge remains if you can't see the lights. Moving to 
>>> the right, you have the two position bass boost switch, and then next 
>>> to it moving to the right is the two position high/low gain switch. 
>>> Finally, on the right end of the device,  you have, from back to 
>>> front, a small usb input, which is for connecting a computer or an 
>>> android device, a "regular" usb for connecting Apple i-devices and 
>>> finally, a 3 position slider which selects the input, a b or c, 
>>> corresponding to the analog in and the two usb ports.
>>> 
>>> There are 3 small cables included with the device, a usb to lightning, 
>>> one with two small usb plugs on it for the small input on the device 
>>> and for a usb to go out on an android device, and finallyone for the 
>>> analog. Sorry I never can remember the nomenclature, which is usb b or 
>>> a or whatever, but it is obvious when you look at the cables what goes 
>>> where. And there is a wall plug and a much longer cable that has a usb 
>>> plut that fits into the wall charger, and the other end fits into the 
>>> small usb input on the device where you would normally plug in the 
>>> android or computer audio source.  You are suppose to be able to 
>>> charge your i-phone from this device. I'm not sure how that works. I 
>>> did have my ipad plugged in last night, listenig to some music, and it 
>>> was not charging, according to voice over. In any case, I don't think 
>>> I'd want to use this as a charger for my mobile device and be 
>>> listening to music at the same time. Maybe you can't even do that.
>>> 
>>> There is documentation in print that comes with the device, but I 
>>> haven't tried scanning it. It may be on the oppo website in a more or 
>>> less accessible form, but I have not looked there either. Hope that 
>>> helped. Probably way too long.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
>> How do
>> you spend it?
>> 
>> John Covici
>> cov...@ccs.covici.com
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> How do
> you spend it?
> 
> John Covici
> cov...@ccs.covici.com
> 

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[covici]

I didtry the charging function anditdoes work,Idid nottry it for very
long,just to test.

John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:

> Hi Mary
> 
> Excellent description. Just to add that if you want to charge a mobile
> device then you have to hold in the battery indicator button for about 7
> seconds and this will activate the charging function. I haven't used it so I
> don't know if you can still play music while charging but I've turned it on
> and off. The only way to tell that it is indeed charging the device is from
> the screen of the mobile device itself.
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
> cov...@ccs.covici.com
> Sent: 20 February 2016 05:40
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> OK, that will help -- thanks.
> 
> Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> > Well, John already reported about most of the controls in his initial 
> > post on this topic. And that certainly helped. There is one side of 
> > the device which could be thought of like the spine of a book. It has 
> > no controls and is completely covered by the leather casing. If you 
> > have the ha-2 lying on a table with that side facing you, on the left 
> > end, from closest to you to furthest away, you have a small knob which 
> > turns the device on with an audible click and adjusts volume up as you 
> > turn, like an old-fashioned radio on/off knob. Moving on that same end 
> > but away from you, you have aan imput which is for I think John said 
> > is for line out to active speakers, but is also for analog in. Not 
> > sure how that works, and I didn't pay attention, since I don't have 
> > anything for that. Then last input on that end is for your headphones.  
> > On the long side that is furthest away from you, first control on the 
> > left is a button which you can press in and shows the charge level of the
> device.
> > Inaccessible, of course. That is the one thing I wish it had, a way to 
> > tell how much charge remains if you can't see the lights. Moving to 
> > the right, you have the two position bass boost switch, and then next 
> > to it moving to the right is the two position high/low gain switch. 
> > Finally, on the right end of the device,  you have, from back to 
> > front, a small usb input, which is for connecting a computer or an 
> > android device, a "regular" usb for connecting Apple i-devices and 
> > finally, a 3 position slider which selects the input, a b or c, 
> > corresponding to the analog in and the two usb ports.
> > 
> > There are 3 small cables included with the device, a usb to lightning, 
> > one with two small usb plugs on it for the small input on the device 
> > and for a usb to go out on an android device, and finallyone for the 
> > analog. Sorry I never can remember the nomenclature, which is usb b or 
> > a or whatever, but it is obvious when you look at the cables what goes 
> > where. And there is a wall plug and a much longer cable that has a usb 
> > plut that fits into the wall charger, and the other end fits into the 
> > small usb input on the device where you would normally plug in the 
> > android or computer audio source.  You are suppose to be able to 
> > charge your i-phone from this device. I'm not sure how that works. I 
> > did have my ipad plugged in last night, listenig to some music, and it 
> > was not charging, according to voice over. In any case, I don't think 
> > I'd want to use this as a charger for my mobile device and be 
> > listening to music at the same time. Maybe you can't even do that.
> > 
> > There is documentation in print that comes with the device, but I 
> > haven't tried scanning it. It may be on the oppo website in a more or 
> > less accessible form, but I have not looked there either. Hope that 
> > helped. Probably way too long.
> > 
> > Mary
> > 
> > 
> 
> --
> Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
> How do
> you spend it?
> 
>  John Covici
>  cov...@ccs.covici.com
> 
> 

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com

RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[John Gurd]

Hi Mary

Excellent description. Just to add that if you want to charge a mobile
device then you have to hold in the battery indicator button for about 7
seconds and this will activate the charging function. I haven't used it so I
don't know if you can still play music while charging but I've turned it on
and off. The only way to tell that it is indeed charging the device is from
the screen of the mobile device itself.

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
cov...@ccs.covici.com
Sent: 20 February 2016 05:40
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

OK, that will help -- thanks.

Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:

> Well, John already reported about most of the controls in his initial 
> post on this topic. And that certainly helped. There is one side of 
> the device which could be thought of like the spine of a book. It has 
> no controls and is completely covered by the leather casing. If you 
> have the ha-2 lying on a table with that side facing you, on the left 
> end, from closest to you to furthest away, you have a small knob which 
> turns the device on with an audible click and adjusts volume up as you 
> turn, like an old-fashioned radio on/off knob. Moving on that same end 
> but away from you, you have aan imput which is for I think John said 
> is for line out to active speakers, but is also for analog in. Not 
> sure how that works, and I didn't pay attention, since I don't have 
> anything for that. Then last input on that end is for your headphones.  
> On the long side that is furthest away from you, first control on the 
> left is a button which you can press in and shows the charge level of the
device.
> Inaccessible, of course. That is the one thing I wish it had, a way to 
> tell how much charge remains if you can't see the lights. Moving to 
> the right, you have the two position bass boost switch, and then next 
> to it moving to the right is the two position high/low gain switch. 
> Finally, on the right end of the device,  you have, from back to 
> front, a small usb input, which is for connecting a computer or an 
> android device, a "regular" usb for connecting Apple i-devices and 
> finally, a 3 position slider which selects the input, a b or c, 
> corresponding to the analog in and the two usb ports.
> 
> There are 3 small cables included with the device, a usb to lightning, 
> one with two small usb plugs on it for the small input on the device 
> and for a usb to go out on an android device, and finallyone for the 
> analog. Sorry I never can remember the nomenclature, which is usb b or 
> a or whatever, but it is obvious when you look at the cables what goes 
> where. And there is a wall plug and a much longer cable that has a usb 
> plut that fits into the wall charger, and the other end fits into the 
> small usb input on the device where you would normally plug in the 
> android or computer audio source.  You are suppose to be able to 
> charge your i-phone from this device. I'm not sure how that works. I 
> did have my ipad plugged in last night, listenig to some music, and it 
> was not charging, according to voice over. In any case, I don't think 
> I'd want to use this as a charger for my mobile device and be 
> listening to music at the same time. Maybe you can't even do that.
> 
> There is documentation in print that comes with the device, but I 
> haven't tried scanning it. It may be on the oppo website in a more or 
> less accessible form, but I have not looked there either. Hope that 
> helped. Probably way too long.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

--
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[covici]

OK, that will help -- thanks.

Mary Otten  wrote:

> Well, John already reported about most of the controls in his initial
> post on this topic. And that certainly helped. There is one side of the
> device which could be thought of like the spine of a book. It has no
> controls and is completely covered by the leather casing. If you have
> the ha-2 lying on a table with that side facing you, on the left end,
> from closest to you to furthest away, you have a small knob which turns
> the device on with an audible click and adjusts volume up as you turn,
> like an old-fashioned radio on/off knob. Moving on that same end but
> away from you, you have aan imput which is for I think John said is for
> line out to active speakers, but is also for analog in. Not sure how
> that works, and I didn't pay attention, since I don't have anything for
> that. Then last input on that end is for your headphones.  On the long
> side that is furthest away from you, first control on the left is a
> button which you can press in and shows the charge level of the device.
> Inaccessible, of course. That is the one thing I wish it had, a way to
> tell how much charge remains if you can't see the lights. Moving to the
> right, you have the two position bass boost switch, and then next to it
> moving to the right is the two position high/low gain switch. Finally,
> on the right end of the device,  you have, from back to front, a small
> usb input, which is for connecting a computer or an android device, a
> "regular" usb for connecting Apple i-devices and finally, a 3 position
> slider which selects the input, a b or c, corresponding to the analog
> in and the two usb ports. 
> 
> There are 3 small cables included with the device, a usb to lightning,
> one with two small usb plugs on it for the small input on the device
> and for a usb to go out on an android device, and finallyone for the
> analog. Sorry I never can remember the nomenclature, which is usb b or
> a or whatever, but it is obvious when you look at the cables what goes
> where. And there is a wall plug and a much longer cable that has a usb
> plut that fits into the wall charger, and the other end fits into the
> small usb input on the device where you would normally plug in the
> android or computer audio source.  You are suppose to be able to charge
> your i-phone from this device. I'm not sure how that works. I did have
> my ipad plugged in last night, listenig to some music, and it was not
> charging, according to voice over. In any case, I don't think I'd want
> to use this as a charger for my mobile device and be listening to music
> at the same time. Maybe you can't even do that.
> 
> There is documentation in print that comes with the device, but I
> haven't tried scanning it. It may be on the oppo website in a more or
> less accessible form, but I have not looked there either. Hope that
> helped. Probably way too long.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Mary Otten]

Well, John already reported about most of the controls in his initial
post on this topic. And that certainly helped. There is one side of the
device which could be thought of like the spine of a book. It has no
controls and is completely covered by the leather casing. If you have
the ha-2 lying on a table with that side facing you, on the left end,
from closest to you to furthest away, you have a small knob which turns
the device on with an audible click and adjusts volume up as you turn,
like an old-fashioned radio on/off knob. Moving on that same end but
away from you, you have aan imput which is for I think John said is for
line out to active speakers, but is also for analog in. Not sure how
that works, and I didn't pay attention, since I don't have anything for
that. Then last input on that end is for your headphones.  On the long
side that is furthest away from you, first control on the left is a
button which you can press in and shows the charge level of the device.
Inaccessible, of course. That is the one thing I wish it had, a way to
tell how much charge remains if you can't see the lights. Moving to the
right, you have the two position bass boost switch, and then next to it
moving to the right is the two position high/low gain switch. Finally,
on the right end of the device,  you have, from back to front, a small
usb input, which is for connecting a computer or an android device, a
"regular" usb for connecting Apple i-devices and finally, a 3 position
slider which selects the input, a b or c, corresponding to the analog
in and the two usb ports. 

There are 3 small cables included with the device, a usb to lightning,
one with two small usb plugs on it for the small input on the device
and for a usb to go out on an android device, and finallyone for the
analog. Sorry I never can remember the nomenclature, which is usb b or
a or whatever, but it is obvious when you look at the cables what goes
where. And there is a wall plug and a much longer cable that has a usb
plut that fits into the wall charger, and the other end fits into the
small usb input on the device where you would normally plug in the
android or computer audio source.  You are suppose to be able to charge
your i-phone from this device. I'm not sure how that works. I did have
my ipad plugged in last night, listenig to some music, and it was not
charging, according to voice over. In any case, I don't think I'd want
to use this as a charger for my mobile device and be listening to music
at the same time. Maybe you can't even do that.

There is documentation in print that comes with the device, but I
haven't tried scanning it. It may be on the oppo website in a more or
less accessible form, but I have not looked there either. Hope that
helped. Probably way too long.

Mary

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[covici]

Could you tell the control layout?

Thanks.

Mary Otten  wrote:

> Well, I just received my Oppo ha-2 yesterday and have had a little
> chance to play with it with both an android and an i-phone. And I have
> to agree with what John has said. It is a really nice piece of gear and
> is dead simple to operate. Some years ago, I had purchased a  less
> expensive portable headphone amplifier, but it was controlled via
> menus. So if you accidentally pressed one of the buttons on the side of
> the device, you could get into a menu and really unintentionally mess
> things up. This one is totally not like that, as John has stated, and
> it makes a huge difference, particularly with the Nexus 6, which is now
> a pleasure to use with both sets of phones that I own. And it also
> really drives home the difference between the AKG q701, which needs the
> high position on the 2 position gain switch, versus the B P7, which
> does just fine with the lower gain position.  If you're serious about
> music listening through a mobile device and can spend the money, this
> is a really good and versatile way to go.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

-- 
Your life is like a penny.  You're going to lose it.  The question is:
How do
you spend it?

 John Covici
 cov...@ccs.covici.com

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Mary Otten]

Well, I just received my Oppo ha-2 yesterday and have had a little
chance to play with it with both an android and an i-phone. And I have
to agree with what John has said. It is a really nice piece of gear and
is dead simple to operate. Some years ago, I had purchased a  less
expensive portable headphone amplifier, but it was controlled via
menus. So if you accidentally pressed one of the buttons on the side of
the device, you could get into a menu and really unintentionally mess
things up. This one is totally not like that, as John has stated, and
it makes a huge difference, particularly with the Nexus 6, which is now
a pleasure to use with both sets of phones that I own. And it also
really drives home the difference between the AKG q701, which needs the
high position on the 2 position gain switch, versus the B P7, which
does just fine with the lower gain position.  If you're serious about
music listening through a mobile device and can spend the money, this
is a really good and versatile way to go.

Mary

RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Hamit Campos]

AV forum did such a test, I forget the result though.

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Yes thanks much for that one.
Thats what i mostly do to but ofcourse i do like good sounding devices too.
/A
> On 15 Feb 2016, at 07:45, André van Deventer <andred...@webafrica.org.za> 
> wrote:
> 
> One thing I have been wondering about.
> 
> If a group of audiofiles are put in a room and not told what they are 
> listening to, will they really be able to hear the difference between 
> different formats of audio reproduction.
> 
> I always use the analogy of wine tasting.  If you are not told beforehand 
> what you are drinking, will you really be able to taste the difference 
> between what would be considered a good drinking wine at a reasonable price 
> and  a so-called superior one with also a higher price tag?  I believe I once 
> read about a group of wine tasters who were given different wines to taste  
> without them knowing what they were tasting.  And it turned out that in some 
> cases  they actually enjoyed the cheaper wines more!
> 
> I like my red and dry white wine but I am in no way a expert.  I just like a 
> good drinking wine that I can enjoy with good friends.
> 
> I knew a man once who spent thousands of dollars on the best audio equipment 
> he could find at that time.  He could talk to you about the qualities of each 
> of these superb systems.  But the interesting thing is that he had a very 
> small record collection and had little knowledge of the music he listened to. 
>  So he was listening more to the audio quality than the to the music itself.
> 
> I suspect that most individuals are like me and my wine drinking habits - you 
> just need to enjoy what you are having.  In the end they want a decent 
> sounding system with a lot of music to simply enjoy.  You don't want to 
> listen to every finest nuance but want a decent sounding system for a decent  
> price.  After all, many of us listen to our favourite music when doing 
> something around the house very often.  I believe in the end the enjoyment 
> should be in the music with decent sound and not necessarily all kinds of 
> fine points.  It is often happened to me that I was looking for a specific 
> song or album and that I could only get it at a lower bitrate say 192 kbps.  
> I would then gladly take it while looking for it in another higher bitrate.  
> But in the meantime I will just enjoy  the music and be glad that I have it!
> 
> Please don't misunderstand me - I also like good sound out of my system - 
> that is why I am getting the B mm-1 desktop speakers, but my main aim in 
> listening to music is to enjoy the music!
> 
> So I lift my glaas of nice ordinary red wine  to all lovers of good music for 
> the sake of music!
> 
> Andre
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
> Sent: 14 February 2016 07:59 PM
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> Subject: RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> I don't think it's the case anymore that vinyl sounds better than digital 
> music or even CD although I can remember a time when it did. I used to have a 
> fairly large LP collection in the eighties and I was so disappointed when I 
> bought my first CDs because they were so flat and lifeless with noticeably 
> less detail. Since the turn of the century digital recording and production 
> techniques have improved to the point that digital can capture the richness 
> and detail of a performance.
> 
> Usually there's one serious and unnecessary exemption. Most digital 
> recordings compress the relative loudness of instruments and vocals into one 
> narrow band so that much of the dynamics of the music are lost. This 
> technique isn't inherent to digital but is a production standard to make 
> music easier to hear at any volume; it's more convenient for radio 
> broadcasting and for compressing down into lossy formats. The exception is 
> usually in the classical or jazz genres. Vinyl tends to escape this level of 
> over production.
> 
> Having said that, digital HD recordings are some of the best recordings I've 
> ever heard. This despite the fact I know I personally don't hear higher 
> frequencies the way I used to when I was younger due to the natural roll-off 
> as you get older. By the way, before anyone gets too smug, this process 
> starts in your early twenties. Check out the Mosquito Anti-Loitering device 
> for a device that works on the principle of an annoying sound that only 
> teenagers can hear but the rest of us can't.
> 
> Just to go back to Dane's query about how to describe a high quality DAC, or 
> any Hi Fidelity audio for that matter, I think it is about presence. The more 
> an artist or piece of music sounds real, like you could almost reach out and 
> touch it, like 

RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[John Gurd]

Yes, they'll hear a difference... And spend the whole time arguing about what 
it is! (smiles)

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of André van 
Deventer
Sent: 15 February 2016 06:45
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

One thing I have been wondering about.

If a group of audiofiles are put in a room and not told what they are listening 
to, will they really be able to hear the difference between different formats 
of audio reproduction.

I always use the analogy of wine tasting.  If you are not told beforehand what 
you are drinking, will you really be able to taste the difference between what 
would be considered a good drinking wine at a reasonable price and  a so-called 
superior one with also a higher price tag?  I believe I once read about a group 
of wine tasters who were given different wines to taste  without them knowing 
what they were tasting.  And it turned out that in some cases  they actually 
enjoyed the cheaper wines more!

I like my red and dry white wine but I am in no way a expert.  I just like a 
good drinking wine that I can enjoy with good friends.

I knew a man once who spent thousands of dollars on the best audio equipment he 
could find at that time.  He could talk to you about the qualities of each of 
these superb systems.  But the interesting thing is that he had a very small 
record collection and had little knowledge of the music he listened to.  So he 
was listening more to the audio quality than the to the music itself.

I suspect that most individuals are like me and my wine drinking habits - you 
just need to enjoy what you are having.  In the end they want a decent sounding 
system with a lot of music to simply enjoy.  You don't want to listen to every 
finest nuance but want a decent sounding system for a decent  price.  After 
all, many of us listen to our favourite music when doing something around the 
house very often.  I believe in the end the enjoyment should be in the music 
with decent sound and not necessarily all kinds of fine points.  It is often 
happened to me that I was looking for a specific song or album and that I could 
only get it at a lower bitrate say 192 kbps.  I would then gladly take it while 
looking for it in another higher bitrate.  But in the meantime I will just 
enjoy  the music and be glad that I have it!

Please don't misunderstand me - I also like good sound out of my system - that 
is why I am getting the B mm-1 desktop speakers, but my main aim in listening 
to music is to enjoy the music!

So I lift my glaas of nice ordinary red wine  to all lovers of good music for 
the sake of music!

Andre



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: 14 February 2016 07:59 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

I don't think it's the case anymore that vinyl sounds better than digital music 
or even CD although I can remember a time when it did. I used to have a fairly 
large LP collection in the eighties and I was so disappointed when I bought my 
first CDs because they were so flat and lifeless with noticeably less detail. 
Since the turn of the century digital recording and production techniques have 
improved to the point that digital can capture the richness and detail of a 
performance. 

Usually there's one serious and unnecessary exemption. Most digital recordings 
compress the relative loudness of instruments and vocals into one narrow band 
so that much of the dynamics of the music are lost. This technique isn't 
inherent to digital but is a production standard to make music easier to hear 
at any volume; it's more convenient for radio broadcasting and for compressing 
down into lossy formats. The exception is usually in the classical or jazz 
genres. Vinyl tends to escape this level of over production. 

Having said that, digital HD recordings are some of the best recordings I've 
ever heard. This despite the fact I know I personally don't hear higher 
frequencies the way I used to when I was younger due to the natural roll-off as 
you get older. By the way, before anyone gets too smug, this process starts in 
your early twenties. Check out the Mosquito Anti-Loitering device for a device 
that works on the principle of an annoying sound that only teenagers can hear 
but the rest of us can't. 

Just to go back to Dane's query about how to describe a high quality DAC, or 
any Hi Fidelity audio for that matter, I think it is about presence. The more 
an artist or piece of music sounds real, like you could almost reach out and 
touch it, like it's a performance and not just a recording, then the closer you 
are to pure audio quality. Sadly, at least for the wallet, this also depends on 
the other equipment you're using but the starting point has to be the source 
signal. There's no question the simplest and cheapest way to achieve

RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[André van Deventer]

One thing I have been wondering about.

If a group of audiofiles are put in a room and not told what they are listening 
to, will they really be able to hear the difference between different formats 
of audio reproduction.

I always use the analogy of wine tasting.  If you are not told beforehand what 
you are drinking, will you really be able to taste the difference between what 
would be considered a good drinking wine at a reasonable price and  a so-called 
superior one with also a higher price tag?  I believe I once read about a group 
of wine tasters who were given different wines to taste  without them knowing 
what they were tasting.  And it turned out that in some cases  they actually 
enjoyed the cheaper wines more!

I like my red and dry white wine but I am in no way a expert.  I just like a 
good drinking wine that I can enjoy with good friends.

I knew a man once who spent thousands of dollars on the best audio equipment he 
could find at that time.  He could talk to you about the qualities of each of 
these superb systems.  But the interesting thing is that he had a very small 
record collection and had little knowledge of the music he listened to.  So he 
was listening more to the audio quality than the to the music itself.

I suspect that most individuals are like me and my wine drinking habits - you 
just need to enjoy what you are having.  In the end they want a decent sounding 
system with a lot of music to simply enjoy.  You don't want to listen to every 
finest nuance but want a decent sounding system for a decent  price.  After 
all, many of us listen to our favourite music when doing something around the 
house very often.  I believe in the end the enjoyment should be in the music 
with decent sound and not necessarily all kinds of fine points.  It is often 
happened to me that I was looking for a specific song or album and that I could 
only get it at a lower bitrate say 192 kbps.  I would then gladly take it while 
looking for it in another higher bitrate.  But in the meantime I will just 
enjoy  the music and be glad that I have it!

Please don't misunderstand me - I also like good sound out of my system - that 
is why I am getting the B mm-1 desktop speakers, but my main aim in listening 
to music is to enjoy the music!

So I lift my glaas of nice ordinary red wine  to all lovers of good music for 
the sake of music!

Andre



-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: 14 February 2016 07:59 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

I don't think it's the case anymore that vinyl sounds better than digital music 
or even CD although I can remember a time when it did. I used to have a fairly 
large LP collection in the eighties and I was so disappointed when I bought my 
first CDs because they were so flat and lifeless with noticeably less detail. 
Since the turn of the century digital recording and production techniques have 
improved to the point that digital can capture the richness and detail of a 
performance.

Usually there's one serious and unnecessary exemption. Most digital recordings 
compress the relative loudness of instruments and vocals into one narrow band 
so that much of the dynamics of the music are lost. This technique isn't 
inherent to digital but is a production standard to make music easier to hear 
at any volume; it's more convenient for radio broadcasting and for compressing 
down into lossy formats. The exception is usually in the classical or jazz 
genres. Vinyl tends to escape this level of over production.

Having said that, digital HD recordings are some of the best recordings I've 
ever heard. This despite the fact I know I personally don't hear higher 
frequencies the way I used to when I was younger due to the natural roll-off as 
you get older. By the way, before anyone gets too smug, this process starts in 
your early twenties. Check out the Mosquito Anti-Loitering device for a device 
that works on the principle of an annoying sound that only teenagers can hear 
but the rest of us can't.

Just to go back to Dane's query about how to describe a high quality DAC, or 
any Hi Fidelity audio for that matter, I think it is about presence. The more 
an artist or piece of music sounds real, like you could almost reach out and 
touch it, like it's a performance and not just a recording, then the closer you 
are to pure audio quality. Sadly, at least for the wallet, this also depends on 
the other equipment you're using but the starting point has to be the source 
signal. There's no question the simplest and cheapest way to achieve this 
nowadays is via a good DAC headphone amp and a good set of headphones.

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: 14 February 2016 14:09
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

Ah yeah, that's true. I mean with the CD

RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, John. Tax filing time is coming, so I think I know where the
refund money is going. That sounds like a nice versatile device.

Mary

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[hamitcampos]

It's Justt Apple being Apple according to Leo Laporte.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 14, 2016, at 6:01 PM, John Gurd <j.g...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary
> 
> Yes, strange as it seems, there are two digital inputs. The USB A (the
> bigger one) is for the little lightning connector, and is exclusively for
> Apple IOS devices. The USB B (the small  slot) is for the little connecting
> cable which has a normal male USB A on the other end and is for Android USB
> On-The-Go devices or Windows or Apple PCs. 
> 
> There must be a technical reason why IOS devices need that dedicated USB,
> probably the same reason you need to use a camera to USB connector to
> connect an IOS device to the USB input of the Chord DAC. That's the way it
> is though.
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: 14 February 2016 01:22
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> Hi John,
> So this comes with a short cable that has a lightning connector on one end
> and usb on the other which plugs into the headphone amp? Is that what you
> were saying? I guess I'm not getting why you'd need two different inputs
> into the amp, one for androids and one for i-devices.
> I certainly understand that the lightning connector and a usb are different,
> but those are the outs on the devices providing the source audio. When I
> last had a portable amp with dac was with the old 30-pin connector, and I
> can't remember how the cabling worked with that thing, did I buy an extra
> cable or what? Getting old isn't for the faint of heart.
> 
> Mary 
> 
> Mary
> 
> 
> 

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[hamitcampos]

Ah okay then, cool.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 14, 2016, at 6:05 PM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> The sound of an lp record is much smoother than a cd.
> If i could listen to classical music without cracles i would certainly use lp 
> records.
> /A
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 06:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Interesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard an LP record. So can't judge. But 
>> it does raze the question my mind, how could it compare to 192 KHZ 24 bit 
>> LPCM?
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 9:53 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>> 
>> And that’s why so many people say the LP records “Sound” better than CD’S.
>> 
>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 1:15 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yeah and even though at 192 24 bit it's said that you capture more than you 
>>> can actually hear, it still is good to do so so you have all the data 
>>> points of your source.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:20 PM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>>> 
>>> Ah yes, hearing frequency’s makes all the difference though it mightn’t be 
>>> obvious at first glance, its those extra frequency information that give 
>>> the music the detail, the depth and the added excitement of the expanded 
>>> sound stage, if this weren’t the case the studios wouldn’t bother making 
>>> master recordings using 192K or above sampling and so on.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Actually hearing does matter when it comes to frequencies. For 
>>>> instance when on the Twit network HD audio is discussed, Leo Laporte 
>>>> always points out that he can't really appreciate what higher sample 
>>>> rate and bit death does for the music as well but as he always says 
>>>> making fun of himself he has old ears. He's 58. So he says he can't 
>>>> hear what a mid 20s dude might. Pluss since he's always been in Radio 
>>>> and has had headphones on pretty loud he says that may have busted some of 
>>>> his hearing too.
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>>> Dane Trethowan
>>>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:28 PM
>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>>>> 
>>>> I don't knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and 
>>>> you pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people 
>>>> getting what they could afford to buy and that's fair enough as I'm 
>>>> in that boat too however I do look around for the good audio and if 
>>>> it means I have to save and wait? Well so be it and that attitude has 
>>>> proven its worth beyond question.
>>>> 
>>>> Yes an open mind is what's required but all this wasn't really the 
>>>> point I was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to 
>>>> describe the audio difference to someone between what you hear 
>>>> through a DAC and most audio equipment and the difference is certainly 
>>>> that of night and day.
>>>> 
>>>> You don't need good hearing to distinguish the difference though 
>>>> certainly you need some decent speakers or some reasonable 
>>>> headphones, you're not going to notice all that much with your $2 
>>>> earbuds which a lot of people are perfectly happy with.
>>>> 
>>>> Its like MP3 files I guess, they're perfectly acceptable when you're 
>>>> listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference 
>>>> when you start listening to music on CD'S and so on through 
>>>> reasonable equipment and the difference is even more pronounced when you 
>>>> turn on that DAC .
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and..

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
I have problems on my left ear with the mid range.
But i have listened to much to Led Zepelin so that might be a problem *smile*.
/A
> On 13 Feb 2016, at 23:13, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually hearing does matter when it comes to frequencies. For instance when
> on the Twit network HD audio is discussed, Leo Laporte always points out
> that he can't really appreciate what higher sample rate and bit death does
> for the music as well but as he always says making fun of himself he has old
> ears. He's 58. So he says he can't hear what a mid 20s dude might. Pluss
> since he's always been in Radio and has had headphones on pretty loud he
> says that may have busted some of his hearing too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
> Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:28 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> I don't knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and you
> pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people getting what
> they could afford to buy and that's fair enough as I'm in that boat too
> however I do look around for the good audio and if it means I have to save
> and wait? Well so be it and that attitude has proven its worth beyond
> question.
> 
> Yes an open mind is what's required but all this wasn't really the point I
> was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to describe the audio
> difference to someone between what you hear through a DAC and most audio
> equipment and the difference is certainly that of night and day.
> 
> You don't need good hearing to distinguish the difference though certainly
> you need some decent speakers or some reasonable headphones, you're not
> going to notice all that much with your $2 earbuds which a lot of people are
> perfectly happy with.
> 
> Its like MP3 files I guess, they're perfectly acceptable when you're
> listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference when you
> start listening to music on CD'S and so on through reasonable equipment and
> the difference is even more pronounced when you turn on that DAC .
> 
> 
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi nerds
> speak out their minds.
>> I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
>> I am not a hifi nerd in my own perspective.
>> But people know that i am very audio intrested and that i do want good
> audio quality.
>> TO be honest i don't hear some differences other might talk about and
> people may or may not judge me for that or laugh at me for that but i don't
> care.
>> I think you should try to be very open minded and very very humble and not
> critisize them for having their analog system for example.
>> I know you do but maybe they do not think you are humble enough.
>> We are talking about audio like an evangelist talks about Jesus.
>> Its like a religion where evrything we might say is the very word.
>> /A
>>> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 20:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>>> 
>>> I have a question which someone might be able to give me some advice on.
>>> 
>>> I've been using DAC'S for nearly 3 years now and there's no doubt about
> it in my mind that they do truly enhance the music listening whether it be
> through a good pair of speakers or through headphones.
>>> 
>>> Okay fine so how do you tell someone just how good a DAC actually is when
> they're stuck in "The Analogue World" for want of a better description.
>>> 
>>> You tell them about your DAC and they say something like, "Yep but I've
> got this CD player or that Sound Card", fact is though that its still
> analogue and - unless you've gone out of your way to buy some top notch gear
> - and most people don't as they don't walk into Hi-Fi specialist shops -
> then they just have no idea what they're missing so how does one describe
> that in words?
>>> 
>>> The only really good description I can think of is that a DAC enhances
> and expands the sound stage - in other words you get far more detail of the
> music -, the instruments are heard as you've most likely never heard them
> before if you've been listening to analogue equipment.
>>> 
>>> I went looking for a DAC for someone last night and even I got a shock
> when I saw the prices they were selling for, one can buy a DAC which handles
> sampling rates from 32-96KHZ for $40 Australian, not the

RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[John Gurd]

Hi Mary

Yes, strange as it seems, there are two digital inputs. The USB A (the
bigger one) is for the little lightning connector, and is exclusively for
Apple IOS devices. The USB B (the small  slot) is for the little connecting
cable which has a normal male USB A on the other end and is for Android USB
On-The-Go devices or Windows or Apple PCs. 

There must be a technical reason why IOS devices need that dedicated USB,
probably the same reason you need to use a camera to USB connector to
connect an IOS device to the USB input of the Chord DAC. That's the way it
is though.

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 14 February 2016 01:22
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

Hi John,
So this comes with a short cable that has a lightning connector on one end
and usb on the other which plugs into the headphone amp? Is that what you
were saying? I guess I'm not getting why you'd need two different inputs
into the amp, one for androids and one for i-devices.
I certainly understand that the lightning connector and a usb are different,
but those are the outs on the devices providing the source audio. When I
last had a portable amp with dac was with the old 30-pin connector, and I
can't remember how the cabling worked with that thing, did I buy an extra
cable or what? Getting old isn't for the faint of heart.

Mary 

Mary

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
The sound of an lp record is much smoother than a cd.
If i could listen to classical music without cracles i would certainly use lp 
records.
/A
> On 14 Feb 2016, at 06:04, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard an LP record. So can't judge. But 
> it does raze the question my mind, how could it compare to 192 KHZ 24 bit 
> LPCM?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 9:53 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> And that’s why so many people say the LP records “Sound” better than CD’S.
> 
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 1:15 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah and even though at 192 24 bit it's said that you capture more than you 
>> can actually hear, it still is good to do so so you have all the data points 
>> of your source.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:20 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>> 
>> Ah yes, hearing frequency’s makes all the difference though it mightn’t be 
>> obvious at first glance, its those extra frequency information that give the 
>> music the detail, the depth and the added excitement of the expanded sound 
>> stage, if this weren’t the case the studios wouldn’t bother making master 
>> recordings using 192K or above sampling and so on.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually hearing does matter when it comes to frequencies. For 
>>> instance when on the Twit network HD audio is discussed, Leo Laporte 
>>> always points out that he can't really appreciate what higher sample 
>>> rate and bit death does for the music as well but as he always says 
>>> making fun of himself he has old ears. He's 58. So he says he can't 
>>> hear what a mid 20s dude might. Pluss since he's always been in Radio 
>>> and has had headphones on pretty loud he says that may have busted some of 
>>> his hearing too.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:28 PM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>>> 
>>> I don't knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and 
>>> you pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people 
>>> getting what they could afford to buy and that's fair enough as I'm 
>>> in that boat too however I do look around for the good audio and if 
>>> it means I have to save and wait? Well so be it and that attitude has 
>>> proven its worth beyond question.
>>> 
>>> Yes an open mind is what's required but all this wasn't really the 
>>> point I was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to 
>>> describe the audio difference to someone between what you hear 
>>> through a DAC and most audio equipment and the difference is certainly that 
>>> of night and day.
>>> 
>>> You don't need good hearing to distinguish the difference though 
>>> certainly you need some decent speakers or some reasonable 
>>> headphones, you're not going to notice all that much with your $2 
>>> earbuds which a lot of people are perfectly happy with.
>>> 
>>> Its like MP3 files I guess, they're perfectly acceptable when you're 
>>> listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference 
>>> when you start listening to music on CD'S and so on through 
>>> reasonable equipment and the difference is even more pronounced when you 
>>> turn on that DAC .
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi 
>>>> nerds
>>> speak out their minds.
>>>> I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
>>>> I am not a hifi nerd in my own perspective.
>>>> But people know that i am very audio intrested and that i do want 
>>>> good
>>

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Hmm, then i missunderstood you.
Could you describe the audio as more real sounding or maybe more natural?
/A
> On 13 Feb 2016, at 21:27, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> I don’t knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and you 
> pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people getting what 
> they could afford to buy and that’s fair enough as I’m in that boat too 
> however I do look around for the good audio and if it means I have to save 
> and wait? Well so be it and that attitude has proven its worth beyond 
> question.
> 
> Yes an open mind is what’s required but all this wasn’t really the point I 
> was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to describe the audio 
> difference to someone between what you hear through a DAC and most audio 
> equipment and the difference is certainly that of night and day.
> 
> You don’t need good hearing to distinguish the difference though certainly 
> you need some decent speakers or some reasonable headphones, you’re not going 
> to notice all that much with your $2 earbuds which a lot of people are 
> perfectly happy with.
> 
> Its like MP3 files I guess, they’re perfectly acceptable when you’re 
> listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference when you 
> start listening to music on CD’S and so on through reasonable equipment and 
> the difference is even more pronounced when you turn on that DAC .
> 
> 
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi nerds 
>> speak out their minds.
>> I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
>> I am not a hifi nerd in my own perspective.
>> But people know that i am very audio intrested and that i do want good audio 
>> quality.
>> TO be honest i don’t hear some differences other might talk about and people 
>> may or may not judge me for that or laugh at me for that but i don’t care.
>> I think you should try to be very open minded and very very humble and not 
>> critisize them for having their analog system for example.
>> I know you do but maybe they do not think you are humble enough.
>> We are talking about audio like an evangelist talks about Jesus.
>> Its like a religion where evrything we might say is the very word.
>> /A
>>> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 20:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>>> 
>>> I have a question which someone might be able to give me some advice on.
>>> 
>>> I've been using DAC'S for nearly 3 years now and there's no doubt about it 
>>> in my mind that they do truly enhance the music listening whether it be 
>>> through a good pair of speakers or through headphones.
>>> 
>>> Okay fine so how do you tell someone just how good a DAC actually is when 
>>> they're stuck in "The Analogue World" for want of a better description.
>>> 
>>> You tell them about your DAC and they say something like, "Yep but I've got 
>>> this CD player or that Sound Card", fact is though that its still analogue 
>>> and - unless you've gone out of your way to buy some top notch gear - and 
>>> most people don't as they don't walk into Hi-Fi specialist shops - then 
>>> they just have no idea what they're missing so how does one describe that 
>>> in words?
>>> 
>>> The only really good description I can think of is that a DAC enhances and 
>>> expands the sound stage - in other words you get far more detail of the 
>>> music -, the instruments are heard as you've most likely never heard them 
>>> before if you've been listening to analogue equipment.
>>> 
>>> I went looking for a DAC for someone last night and even I got a shock when 
>>> I saw the prices they were selling for, one can buy a DAC which handles 
>>> sampling rates from 32-96KHZ for $40 Australian, not the DAC for me given I 
>>> have 192KHZ/24 Bit material here but its a good starting point.
>>> 
>>> I doubt whether it would come anywhere near my Rotel when it comes to 
>>> performance and the like but again, a good starting point for anyone who 
>>> wants to get into the DAC game.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 14/02/2016 5:49 AM, John Gurd wrote:
>>>> Hi Mary
>>>> 
>>>> I think you would notice a massive difference. I haven't heard the Oppo 
>>>> PM3s
>>>> but judging by the reviews they are certainly on a par with the P7s and
>>>> would sound incr

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
No, magnetostatic is a new type of headphones.
Though i have no idea in what they mean by magnetostatic.
/A
> On 13 Feb 2016, at 21:20, Gary Schindler <garys5...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Do you mean electrostatic?
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:01 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> Hi!
> I wonder if they’re magnetostatic.
> /A
>> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 19:01 skrev Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net>:
>> 
>> Interesting. I wonder if it would help the sound on my Nexus 6.
>> Something should!
>> 
>> Oppo makes a pair of headphones that seem to be quite favorably
>> reviewed, at least by amazon purchasers. These are the pm-3, and they
>> sell for a cool 400 bucks, so not cheap. One reviewer even compared
>> them favorably with the P7.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Hamit Campos]

Ah yeah, that's true. I mean with the CD there was the CD man. Though I'm not 
sure those ixist no more. I had a sony 1.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 12:14 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

Yep fair question.

You talked about those extra frequencies, an LP record - played on a reasonable 
turntable through a reasonable Hi-Fi setup exhibits some of those extra 
frequencies you would find in HD audio thus listeners often talk about the 
difference between CD and record.

As for me? Well if people want their LP records and so on then that’s fine but 
I prefer the convenience of CD or Hd Audio thanks - preferably HD audio - 
.


> On 14 Feb 2016, at 4:04 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard an LP record. So can't judge. But 
> it does raze the question my mind, how could it compare to 192 KHZ 24 bit 
> LPCM?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 9:53 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> And that’s why so many people say the LP records “Sound” better than CD’S.
> 
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 1:15 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah and even though at 192 24 bit it's said that you capture more than you 
>> can actually hear, it still is good to do so so you have all the data points 
>> of your source.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:20 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>> 
>> Ah yes, hearing frequency’s makes all the difference though it mightn’t be 
>> obvious at first glance, its those extra frequency information that give the 
>> music the detail, the depth and the added excitement of the expanded sound 
>> stage, if this weren’t the case the studios wouldn’t bother making master 
>> recordings using 192K or above sampling and so on.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually hearing does matter when it comes to frequencies. For 
>>> instance when on the Twit network HD audio is discussed, Leo Laporte 
>>> always points out that he can't really appreciate what higher sample 
>>> rate and bit death does for the music as well but as he always says 
>>> making fun of himself he has old ears. He's 58. So he says he can't 
>>> hear what a mid 20s dude might. Pluss since he's always been in 
>>> Radio and has had headphones on pretty loud he says that may have busted 
>>> some of his hearing too.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:28 PM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>>> 
>>> I don't knock people for having analogue systems or anything else 
>>> and you pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about 
>>> people getting what they could afford to buy and that's fair enough 
>>> as I'm in that boat too however I do look around for the good audio 
>>> and if it means I have to save and wait? Well so be it and that 
>>> attitude has proven its worth beyond question.
>>> 
>>> Yes an open mind is what's required but all this wasn't really the 
>>> point I was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to 
>>> describe the audio difference to someone between what you hear 
>>> through a DAC and most audio equipment and the difference is certainly that 
>>> of night and day.
>>> 
>>> You don't need good hearing to distinguish the difference though 
>>> certainly you need some decent speakers or some reasonable 
>>> headphones, you're not going to notice all that much with your $2 
>>> earbuds which a lot of people are perfectly happy with.
>>> 
>>> Its like MP3 files I guess, they're perfectly acceptable when you're 
>>> listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference 
>>> when you start listening to music on CD'S and so on through 
>>> reasonable equi

RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Hamit Campos]

Ah okay. Cool, thanks for the info. Like I said I've heard records, but not 
sure they were LPs.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Les Gordon
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 12:41 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

lp records are much more warmer sounding. the mids have more detail to them. 
digital is great for clearity but you do lose some warmth in the sound.

- Original Message - 
From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcam...@gmail.com>
To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 12:04 AM
Subject: RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...


Interesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard an LP record. So can't judge. But 
it does raze the question my mind, how could it compare to 192 KHZ 24 bit 
LPCM?

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 9:53 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

And that’s why so many people say the LP records “Sound” better than CD’S.

> On 14 Feb 2016, at 1:15 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Yeah and even though at 192 24 bit it's said that you capture more than 
> you can actually hear, it still is good to do so so you have all the data 
> points of your source.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:20 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>
> Ah yes, hearing frequency’s makes all the difference though it mightn’t be 
> obvious at first glance, its those extra frequency information that give 
> the music the detail, the depth and the added excitement of the expanded 
> sound stage, if this weren’t the case the studios wouldn’t bother making 
> master recordings using 192K or above sampling and so on.
>
>
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Actually hearing does matter when it comes to frequencies. For
>> instance when on the Twit network HD audio is discussed, Leo Laporte
>> always points out that he can't really appreciate what higher sample
>> rate and bit death does for the music as well but as he always says
>> making fun of himself he has old ears. He's 58. So he says he can't
>> hear what a mid 20s dude might. Pluss since he's always been in Radio
>> and has had headphones on pretty loud he says that may have busted some 
>> of his hearing too.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:28 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>>
>> I don't knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and
>> you pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people
>> getting what they could afford to buy and that's fair enough as I'm
>> in that boat too however I do look around for the good audio and if
>> it means I have to save and wait? Well so be it and that attitude has
>> proven its worth beyond question.
>>
>> Yes an open mind is what's required but all this wasn't really the
>> point I was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to
>> describe the audio difference to someone between what you hear
>> through a DAC and most audio equipment and the difference is certainly 
>> that of night and day.
>>
>> You don't need good hearing to distinguish the difference though
>> certainly you need some decent speakers or some reasonable
>> headphones, you're not going to notice all that much with your $2
>> earbuds which a lot of people are perfectly happy with.
>>
>> Its like MP3 files I guess, they're perfectly acceptable when you're
>> listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference
>> when you start listening to music on CD'S and so on through
>> reasonable equipment and the difference is even more pronounced when you 
>> turn on that DAC .
>>
>>
>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi!
>>> Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi
>>> nerds
>> speak out their minds.
>>> I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
>>> I am not a hifi nerd in my own 

RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[John Gurd]

I don't think it's the case anymore that vinyl sounds better than digital music 
or even CD although I can remember a time when it did. I used to have a fairly 
large LP collection in the eighties and I was so disappointed when I bought my 
first CDs because they were so flat and lifeless with noticeably less detail. 
Since the turn of the century digital recording and production techniques have 
improved to the point that digital can capture the richness and detail of a 
performance. 

Usually there's one serious and unnecessary exemption. Most digital recordings 
compress the relative loudness of instruments and vocals into one narrow band 
so that much of the dynamics of the music are lost. This technique isn't 
inherent to digital but is a production standard to make music easier to hear 
at any volume; it's more convenient for radio broadcasting and for compressing 
down into lossy formats. The exception is usually in the classical or jazz 
genres. Vinyl tends to escape this level of over production. 

Having said that, digital HD recordings are some of the best recordings I've 
ever heard. This despite the fact I know I personally don't hear higher 
frequencies the way I used to when I was younger due to the natural roll-off as 
you get older. By the way, before anyone gets too smug, this process starts in 
your early twenties. Check out the Mosquito Anti-Loitering device for a device 
that works on the principle of an annoying sound that only teenagers can hear 
but the rest of us can't. 

Just to go back to Dane's query about how to describe a high quality DAC, or 
any Hi Fidelity audio for that matter, I think it is about presence. The more 
an artist or piece of music sounds real, like you could almost reach out and 
touch it, like it's a performance and not just a recording, then the closer you 
are to pure audio quality. Sadly, at least for the wallet, this also depends on 
the other equipment you're using but the starting point has to be the source 
signal. There's no question the simplest and cheapest way to achieve this 
nowadays is via a good DAC headphone amp and a good set of headphones.

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Hamit Campos
Sent: 14 February 2016 14:09
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Subject: RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

Ah yeah, that's true. I mean with the CD there was the CD man. Though I'm not 
sure those ixist no more. I had a sony 1.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 12:14 AM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

Yep fair question.

You talked about those extra frequencies, an LP record - played on a reasonable 
turntable through a reasonable Hi-Fi setup exhibits some of those extra 
frequencies you would find in HD audio thus listeners often talk about the 
difference between CD and record.

As for me? Well if people want their LP records and so on then that s fine but 
I prefer the convenience of CD or Hd Audio thanks - preferably HD audio - 
.


> On 14 Feb 2016, at 4:04 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard an LP record. So can't judge. But 
> it does raze the question my mind, how could it compare to 192 KHZ 24 bit 
> LPCM?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 9:53 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> And that s why so many people say the LP records  Sound  better than CD S.
> 
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 1:15 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah and even though at 192 24 bit it's said that you capture more than you 
>> can actually hear, it still is good to do so so you have all the data points 
>> of your source.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:20 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>> 
>> Ah yes, hearing frequency s makes all the difference though it mightn t be 
>> obvious at first glance, its those extra frequency information that give the 
>> music the detail, the depth and the added excitement of the expanded sound 
>> stage, if this weren t the case the studios wouldn t bother making master 
>> recordings using 192K or above sampling and so on.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually he

Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[John Gurd]

.and I'm very impressed. I've only had a short time to try it out but I
think it's great. The audio with the P7s is quite perfect even just
listening to tracks from the Apple Music Service. It's better than the Arcam
MusicBoost (which itself is pretty good) but that's not surprising given the
price tag. 

 

It has an effortless, natural sound that doesn't over-emphasis anything,
just lets you hear the music. It's detailed, and you feel you can place
every instrument with pin-point accuracy. I briefly tried the bass-boost,
but although it does its job well enough, I really didn't think it
necessary.

 

The HA-2 is easy to use. It's about the size and thickness of the iPhone 6,
although it's a centremetre or so shorter. The switches are all easy to
locate and are positional and tactile in operation with the exception of the
button for checking power/charging attached units. That has to be pressed
and a blue light illuminates when it is charging another device. The only
way I could tell it was on was because my iPhone indicated through Voice
Over it was charging. 

 

With the leather surface it is nice to hold and fits easily in the hand.
It's light and could easily be carried in a bag or pocket. 

 

I haven't yet tried it with any other devices but it has 3 inputs: a USB A
for Apple devices, a USB B for Android phones or tablets or even a PC and a
3.5mm jack for analogue audio. This jack also doubles as a line out for amps
or active speakers. I'm looking forward to trying it out. There's a 2nd
3.5mm jack which is the outlet for the headphone amp. With a 2-position
low/high gain switch on the side it can drive headphones of almost any
impedance. You get a very handy set of extremely short connector leads for
the 3 kinds of inputs. 

 

Thanks to Dane for drawing it to my attention. 

 

John

 

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Mary Otten]

Interesting. I wonder if it would help the sound on my Nexus 6.
Something should!

Oppo makes a pair of headphones that seem to be quite favorably
reviewed, at least by amazon purchasers. These are the pm-3, and they
sell for a cool 400 bucks, so not cheap. One reviewer even compared
them favorably with the P7.

Mary

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Dane Trethowan]

Very definitely 

> On 14 Feb 2016, at 5:01 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I wonder if it would help the sound on my Nexus 6.
> Something should!
> 
> Oppo makes a pair of headphones that seem to be quite favorably
> reviewed, at least by amazon purchasers. These are the pm-3, and they
> sell for a cool 400 bucks, so not cheap. One reviewer even compared
> them favorably with the P7.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[John Gurd]

Hi Mary

I think you would notice a massive difference. I haven't heard the Oppo PM3s
but judging by the reviews they are certainly on a par with the P7s and
would sound incredible with the HA-2.

John

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: 13 February 2016 18:03
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

Very definitely 

> On 14 Feb 2016, at 5:01 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I wonder if it would help the sound on my Nexus 6.
> Something should!
> 
> Oppo makes a pair of headphones that seem to be quite favorably 
> reviewed, at least by amazon purchasers. These are the pm-3, and they 
> sell for a cool 400 bucks, so not cheap. One reviewer even compared 
> them favorably with the P7.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Dane Trethowan]

I'm looking to buy another set of headphones - can't have enough 
headphones around the place - so I may look at those.


Only a personal view of course but they're going to have to be pretty 
good to come anywhere near the B P7.




On 14/02/2016 6:36 AM, Mary Otten wrote:

Well, since I have indulged in the p7 and before that in the AKG q701,
I doubt I can justify another expensive set of headphones. But I'd be
curious if somebody who owns the p7 gets hands on with pm-3.

Mary




--

**
Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Anders Holmberg]

HI!
Yes sounds nice.
Not something i would buy anyway right now.
No work and no money.
/A
> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 18:19 skrev John Gurd :
> 
> .and I'm very impressed. I've only had a short time to try it out but I
> think it's great. The audio with the P7s is quite perfect even just
> listening to tracks from the Apple Music Service. It's better than the Arcam
> MusicBoost (which itself is pretty good) but that's not surprising given the
> price tag. 
> 
> 
> 
> It has an effortless, natural sound that doesn't over-emphasis anything,
> just lets you hear the music. It's detailed, and you feel you can place
> every instrument with pin-point accuracy. I briefly tried the bass-boost,
> but although it does its job well enough, I really didn't think it
> necessary.
> 
> 
> 
> The HA-2 is easy to use. It's about the size and thickness of the iPhone 6,
> although it's a centremetre or so shorter. The switches are all easy to
> locate and are positional and tactile in operation with the exception of the
> button for checking power/charging attached units. That has to be pressed
> and a blue light illuminates when it is charging another device. The only
> way I could tell it was on was because my iPhone indicated through Voice
> Over it was charging. 
> 
> 
> 
> With the leather surface it is nice to hold and fits easily in the hand.
> It's light and could easily be carried in a bag or pocket. 
> 
> 
> 
> I haven't yet tried it with any other devices but it has 3 inputs: a USB A
> for Apple devices, a USB B for Android phones or tablets or even a PC and a
> 3.5mm jack for analogue audio. This jack also doubles as a line out for amps
> or active speakers. I'm looking forward to trying it out. There's a 2nd
> 3.5mm jack which is the outlet for the headphone amp. With a 2-position
> low/high gain switch on the side it can drive headphones of almost any
> impedance. You get a very handy set of extremely short connector leads for
> the 3 kinds of inputs. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks to Dane for drawing it to my attention. 
> 
> 
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Dane Trethowan]

“All I need Is The Air That I Breathe” .

> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:00 AM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> HI!
> Yes sounds nice.
> Not something i would buy anyway right now.
> No work and no money.
> /A
>> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 18:19 skrev John Gurd :
>> 
>> .and I'm very impressed. I've only had a short time to try it out but I
>> think it's great. The audio with the P7s is quite perfect even just
>> listening to tracks from the Apple Music Service. It's better than the Arcam
>> MusicBoost (which itself is pretty good) but that's not surprising given the
>> price tag. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> It has an effortless, natural sound that doesn't over-emphasis anything,
>> just lets you hear the music. It's detailed, and you feel you can place
>> every instrument with pin-point accuracy. I briefly tried the bass-boost,
>> but although it does its job well enough, I really didn't think it
>> necessary.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The HA-2 is easy to use. It's about the size and thickness of the iPhone 6,
>> although it's a centremetre or so shorter. The switches are all easy to
>> locate and are positional and tactile in operation with the exception of the
>> button for checking power/charging attached units. That has to be pressed
>> and a blue light illuminates when it is charging another device. The only
>> way I could tell it was on was because my iPhone indicated through Voice
>> Over it was charging. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> With the leather surface it is nice to hold and fits easily in the hand.
>> It's light and could easily be carried in a bag or pocket. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I haven't yet tried it with any other devices but it has 3 inputs: a USB A
>> for Apple devices, a USB B for Android phones or tablets or even a PC and a
>> 3.5mm jack for analogue audio. This jack also doubles as a line out for amps
>> or active speakers. I'm looking forward to trying it out. There's a 2nd
>> 3.5mm jack which is the outlet for the headphone amp. With a 2-position
>> low/high gain switch on the side it can drive headphones of almost any
>> impedance. You get a very handy set of extremely short connector leads for
>> the 3 kinds of inputs. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks to Dane for drawing it to my attention. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Anders Holmberg]

Hi!
Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi nerds 
speak out their minds.
I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
I am not a hifi nerd in my own perspective.
But people know that i am very audio intrested and that i do want good audio 
quality.
TO be honest i don’t hear some differences other might talk about and people 
may or may not judge me for that or laugh at me for that but i don’t care.
I think you should try to be very open minded and very very humble and not 
critisize them for having their analog system for example.
I know you do but maybe they do not think you are humble enough.
We are talking about audio like an evangelist talks about Jesus.
Its like a religion where evrything we might say is the very word.
/A
> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 20:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
> 
> I have a question which someone might be able to give me some advice on.
> 
> I've been using DAC'S for nearly 3 years now and there's no doubt about it in 
> my mind that they do truly enhance the music listening whether it be through 
> a good pair of speakers or through headphones.
> 
> Okay fine so how do you tell someone just how good a DAC actually is when 
> they're stuck in "The Analogue World" for want of a better description.
> 
> You tell them about your DAC and they say something like, "Yep but I've got 
> this CD player or that Sound Card", fact is though that its still analogue 
> and - unless you've gone out of your way to buy some top notch gear - and 
> most people don't as they don't walk into Hi-Fi specialist shops - then they 
> just have no idea what they're missing so how does one describe that in words?
> 
> The only really good description I can think of is that a DAC enhances and 
> expands the sound stage - in other words you get far more detail of the music 
> -, the instruments are heard as you've most likely never heard them before if 
> you've been listening to analogue equipment.
> 
> I went looking for a DAC for someone last night and even I got a shock when I 
> saw the prices they were selling for, one can buy a DAC which handles 
> sampling rates from 32-96KHZ for $40 Australian, not the DAC for me given I 
> have 192KHZ/24 Bit material here but its a good starting point.
> 
> I doubt whether it would come anywhere near my Rotel when it comes to 
> performance and the like but again, a good starting point for anyone who 
> wants to get into the DAC game.
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/02/2016 5:49 AM, John Gurd wrote:
>> Hi Mary
>> 
>> I think you would notice a massive difference. I haven't heard the Oppo PM3s
>> but judging by the reviews they are certainly on a par with the P7s and
>> would sound incredible with the HA-2.
>> 
>> John
>> 
>> -Original Message-----
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
>> Trethowan
>> Sent: 13 February 2016 18:03
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>> 
>> Very definitely
>> 
>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 5:01 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Interesting. I wonder if it would help the sound on my Nexus 6.
>>> Something should!
>>> 
>>> Oppo makes a pair of headphones that seem to be quite favorably
>>> reviewed, at least by amazon purchasers. These are the pm-3, and they
>>> sell for a cool 400 bucks, so not cheap. One reviewer even compared
>>> them favorably with the P7.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> **
> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
> 
> 

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Mary Otten]

I haven't gone to the manufacturers website to check the technical details. On 
the Amazon site, they are described as close back, planar, and magnetic. So 
they may be what you are talking about.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 13, 2016, at 12:01 PM, Anders Holmberg  wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> I wonder if they’re magnetostatic.
> /A
>> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 19:01 skrev Mary Otten :
>> 
>> Interesting. I wonder if it would help the sound on my Nexus 6.
>> Something should!
>> 
>> Oppo makes a pair of headphones that seem to be quite favorably
>> reviewed, at least by amazon purchasers. These are the pm-3, and they
>> sell for a cool 400 bucks, so not cheap. One reviewer even compared
>> them favorably with the P7.
>> 
>> Mary
> 
> 

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Gary Schindler]

Do you mean electrostatic?


-Original Message- 
From: Anders Holmberg

Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:01 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

Hi!
I wonder if they’re magnetostatic.
/A

13 feb. 2016 kl. 19:01 skrev Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net>:

Interesting. I wonder if it would help the sound on my Nexus 6.
Something should!

Oppo makes a pair of headphones that seem to be quite favorably
reviewed, at least by amazon purchasers. These are the pm-3, and they
sell for a cool 400 bucks, so not cheap. One reviewer even compared
them favorably with the P7.

Mary

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Dane Trethowan]

I don’t knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and you 
pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people getting what 
they could afford to buy and that’s fair enough as I’m in that boat too however 
I do look around for the good audio and if it means I have to save and wait? 
Well so be it and that attitude has proven its worth beyond question.

Yes an open mind is what’s required but all this wasn’t really the point I was 
trying to make, I was asking the question how best to describe the audio 
difference to someone between what you hear through a DAC and most audio 
equipment and the difference is certainly that of night and day.

You don’t need good hearing to distinguish the difference though certainly you 
need some decent speakers or some reasonable headphones, you’re not going to 
notice all that much with your $2 earbuds which a lot of people are perfectly 
happy with.

Its like MP3 files I guess, they’re perfectly acceptable when you’re listening 
on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference when you start 
listening to music on CD’S and so on through reasonable equipment and the 
difference is even more pronounced when you turn on that DAC .


> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi nerds 
> speak out their minds.
> I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
> I am not a hifi nerd in my own perspective.
> But people know that i am very audio intrested and that i do want good audio 
> quality.
> TO be honest i don’t hear some differences other might talk about and people 
> may or may not judge me for that or laugh at me for that but i don’t care.
> I think you should try to be very open minded and very very humble and not 
> critisize them for having their analog system for example.
> I know you do but maybe they do not think you are humble enough.
> We are talking about audio like an evangelist talks about Jesus.
> Its like a religion where evrything we might say is the very word.
> /A
>> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 20:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>> 
>> I have a question which someone might be able to give me some advice on.
>> 
>> I've been using DAC'S for nearly 3 years now and there's no doubt about it 
>> in my mind that they do truly enhance the music listening whether it be 
>> through a good pair of speakers or through headphones.
>> 
>> Okay fine so how do you tell someone just how good a DAC actually is when 
>> they're stuck in "The Analogue World" for want of a better description.
>> 
>> You tell them about your DAC and they say something like, "Yep but I've got 
>> this CD player or that Sound Card", fact is though that its still analogue 
>> and - unless you've gone out of your way to buy some top notch gear - and 
>> most people don't as they don't walk into Hi-Fi specialist shops - then they 
>> just have no idea what they're missing so how does one describe that in 
>> words?
>> 
>> The only really good description I can think of is that a DAC enhances and 
>> expands the sound stage - in other words you get far more detail of the 
>> music -, the instruments are heard as you've most likely never heard them 
>> before if you've been listening to analogue equipment.
>> 
>> I went looking for a DAC for someone last night and even I got a shock when 
>> I saw the prices they were selling for, one can buy a DAC which handles 
>> sampling rates from 32-96KHZ for $40 Australian, not the DAC for me given I 
>> have 192KHZ/24 Bit material here but its a good starting point.
>> 
>> I doubt whether it would come anywhere near my Rotel when it comes to 
>> performance and the like but again, a good starting point for anyone who 
>> wants to get into the DAC game.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 14/02/2016 5:49 AM, John Gurd wrote:
>>> Hi Mary
>>> 
>>> I think you would notice a massive difference. I haven't heard the Oppo PM3s
>>> but judging by the reviews they are certainly on a par with the P7s and
>>> would sound incredible with the HA-2.
>>> 
>>> John
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
>>> Trethowan
>>> Sent: 13 February 2016 18:03
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>>> 
>>> Very definitely
>>> 
>>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 5:01 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Interestin

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Dane Trethowan]

They’re certainly not electrostatic .


> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:20 AM, Gary Schindler <garys5...@comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Do you mean electrostatic?
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Anders Holmberg
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:01 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> Hi!
> I wonder if they’re magnetostatic.
> /A
>> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 19:01 skrev Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net>:
>> 
>> Interesting. I wonder if it would help the sound on my Nexus 6.
>> Something should!
>> 
>> Oppo makes a pair of headphones that seem to be quite favorably
>> reviewed, at least by amazon purchasers. These are the pm-3, and they
>> sell for a cool 400 bucks, so not cheap. One reviewer even compared
>> them favorably with the P7.
>> 
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Hamit Campos]

Actually hearing does matter when it comes to frequencies. For instance when
on the Twit network HD audio is discussed, Leo Laporte always points out
that he can't really appreciate what higher sample rate and bit death does
for the music as well but as he always says making fun of himself he has old
ears. He's 58. So he says he can't hear what a mid 20s dude might. Pluss
since he's always been in Radio and has had headphones on pretty loud he
says that may have busted some of his hearing too.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:28 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

I don't knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and you
pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people getting what
they could afford to buy and that's fair enough as I'm in that boat too
however I do look around for the good audio and if it means I have to save
and wait? Well so be it and that attitude has proven its worth beyond
question.

Yes an open mind is what's required but all this wasn't really the point I
was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to describe the audio
difference to someone between what you hear through a DAC and most audio
equipment and the difference is certainly that of night and day.

You don't need good hearing to distinguish the difference though certainly
you need some decent speakers or some reasonable headphones, you're not
going to notice all that much with your $2 earbuds which a lot of people are
perfectly happy with.

Its like MP3 files I guess, they're perfectly acceptable when you're
listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference when you
start listening to music on CD'S and so on through reasonable equipment and
the difference is even more pronounced when you turn on that DAC .


> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
> 
> Hi!
> Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi nerds
speak out their minds.
> I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
> I am not a hifi nerd in my own perspective.
> But people know that i am very audio intrested and that i do want good
audio quality.
> TO be honest i don't hear some differences other might talk about and
people may or may not judge me for that or laugh at me for that but i don't
care.
> I think you should try to be very open minded and very very humble and not
critisize them for having their analog system for example.
> I know you do but maybe they do not think you are humble enough.
> We are talking about audio like an evangelist talks about Jesus.
> Its like a religion where evrything we might say is the very word.
> /A
>> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 20:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>> 
>> I have a question which someone might be able to give me some advice on.
>> 
>> I've been using DAC'S for nearly 3 years now and there's no doubt about
it in my mind that they do truly enhance the music listening whether it be
through a good pair of speakers or through headphones.
>> 
>> Okay fine so how do you tell someone just how good a DAC actually is when
they're stuck in "The Analogue World" for want of a better description.
>> 
>> You tell them about your DAC and they say something like, "Yep but I've
got this CD player or that Sound Card", fact is though that its still
analogue and - unless you've gone out of your way to buy some top notch gear
- and most people don't as they don't walk into Hi-Fi specialist shops -
then they just have no idea what they're missing so how does one describe
that in words?
>> 
>> The only really good description I can think of is that a DAC enhances
and expands the sound stage - in other words you get far more detail of the
music -, the instruments are heard as you've most likely never heard them
before if you've been listening to analogue equipment.
>> 
>> I went looking for a DAC for someone last night and even I got a shock
when I saw the prices they were selling for, one can buy a DAC which handles
sampling rates from 32-96KHZ for $40 Australian, not the DAC for me given I
have 192KHZ/24 Bit material here but its a good starting point.
>> 
>> I doubt whether it would come anywhere near my Rotel when it comes to
performance and the like but again, a good starting point for anyone who
wants to get into the DAC game.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 14/02/2016 5:49 AM, John Gurd wrote:
>>> Hi Mary
>>> 
>>> I think you would notice a massive difference. I haven't heard the 
>>> Oppo PM3s but judging by the reviews they are certainly on a par 
>>> with the P7s and would sound incredible w

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Richard Bartholomew]

Just as a matter of interest, can DAC improve the sound of compressed files 
such as MP3 or do you really only notice the difference on lossless?

> On 13 Feb 2016, at 20:27, Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net> wrote:
> 
> I don’t knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and you 
> pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people getting what 
> they could afford to buy and that’s fair enough as I’m in that boat too 
> however I do look around for the good audio and if it means I have to save 
> and wait? Well so be it and that attitude has proven its worth beyond 
> question.
> 
> Yes an open mind is what’s required but all this wasn’t really the point I 
> was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to describe the audio 
> difference to someone between what you hear through a DAC and most audio 
> equipment and the difference is certainly that of night and day.
> 
> You don’t need good hearing to distinguish the difference though certainly 
> you need some decent speakers or some reasonable headphones, you’re not going 
> to notice all that much with your $2 earbuds which a lot of people are 
> perfectly happy with.
> 
> Its like MP3 files I guess, they’re perfectly acceptable when you’re 
> listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference when you 
> start listening to music on CD’S and so on through reasonable equipment and 
> the difference is even more pronounced when you turn on that DAC .
> 
> 
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi nerds 
>> speak out their minds.
>> I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
>> I am not a hifi nerd in my own perspective.
>> But people know that i am very audio intrested and that i do want good audio 
>> quality.
>> TO be honest i don’t hear some differences other might talk about and people 
>> may or may not judge me for that or laugh at me for that but i don’t care.
>> I think you should try to be very open minded and very very humble and not 
>> critisize them for having their analog system for example.
>> I know you do but maybe they do not think you are humble enough.
>> We are talking about audio like an evangelist talks about Jesus.
>> Its like a religion where evrything we might say is the very word.
>> /A
>>> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 20:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>>> 
>>> I have a question which someone might be able to give me some advice on.
>>> 
>>> I've been using DAC'S for nearly 3 years now and there's no doubt about it 
>>> in my mind that they do truly enhance the music listening whether it be 
>>> through a good pair of speakers or through headphones.
>>> 
>>> Okay fine so how do you tell someone just how good a DAC actually is when 
>>> they're stuck in "The Analogue World" for want of a better description.
>>> 
>>> You tell them about your DAC and they say something like, "Yep but I've got 
>>> this CD player or that Sound Card", fact is though that its still analogue 
>>> and - unless you've gone out of your way to buy some top notch gear - and 
>>> most people don't as they don't walk into Hi-Fi specialist shops - then 
>>> they just have no idea what they're missing so how does one describe that 
>>> in words?
>>> 
>>> The only really good description I can think of is that a DAC enhances and 
>>> expands the sound stage - in other words you get far more detail of the 
>>> music -, the instruments are heard as you've most likely never heard them 
>>> before if you've been listening to analogue equipment.
>>> 
>>> I went looking for a DAC for someone last night and even I got a shock when 
>>> I saw the prices they were selling for, one can buy a DAC which handles 
>>> sampling rates from 32-96KHZ for $40 Australian, not the DAC for me given I 
>>> have 192KHZ/24 Bit material here but its a good starting point.
>>> 
>>> I doubt whether it would come anywhere near my Rotel when it comes to 
>>> performance and the like but again, a good starting point for anyone who 
>>> wants to get into the DAC game.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 14/02/2016 5:49 AM, John Gurd wrote:
>>>> Hi Mary
>>>> 
>>>> I think you would notice a massive difference. I haven't heard the Oppo 
>>>> PM3s
>>>> but judging by the reviews they are certainly on a par with the P7s an

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Mary Otten]

Hi Richard,
A dac can give you better sound from mp3 files. Really, what might be
happening is that the phones are driven better by the amplifier in the
unit, as opposed to the crappy one that is part of most portable
digital devices, but the end result is improved sound.  I use to have a
low end portable amp plus dac that was kind of a pain to operate, and
you could definitely hear the difference with my akg q701 phones.

Mary

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Richard Bartholomew]

Thanks, Mary…ah well, looks like more financial outlay! LOL

> On 13 Feb 2016, at 22:24, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi Richard,
> A dac can give you better sound from mp3 files. Really, what might be
> happening is that the phones are driven better by the amplifier in the
> unit, as opposed to the crappy one that is part of most portable
> digital devices, but the end result is improved sound.  I use to have a
> low end portable amp plus dac that was kind of a pain to operate, and
> you could definitely hear the difference with my akg q701 phones.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Dane Trethowan]

e can buy a DAC which 
>>>> handles sampling rates from 32-96KHZ for $40 Australian, not the DAC for 
>>>> me given I have 192KHZ/24 Bit material here but its a good starting point.
>>>> 
>>>> I doubt whether it would come anywhere near my Rotel when it comes to 
>>>> performance and the like but again, a good starting point for anyone who 
>>>> wants to get into the DAC game.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 14/02/2016 5:49 AM, John Gurd wrote:
>>>>> Hi Mary
>>>>> 
>>>>> I think you would notice a massive difference. I haven't heard the Oppo 
>>>>> PM3s
>>>>> but judging by the reviews they are certainly on a par with the P7s and
>>>>> would sound incredible with the HA-2.
>>>>> 
>>>>> John
>>>>> 
>>>>> -Original Message-
>>>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
>>>>> Trethowan
>>>>> Sent: 13 February 2016 18:03
>>>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>>>>> 
>>>>> Very definitely
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 5:01 AM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Interesting. I wonder if it would help the sound on my Nexus 6.
>>>>>> Something should!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Oppo makes a pair of headphones that seem to be quite favorably
>>>>>> reviewed, at least by amazon purchasers. These are the pm-3, and they
>>>>>> sell for a cool 400 bucks, so not cheap. One reviewer even compared
>>>>>> them favorably with the P7.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Mary
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>> **
>>>>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the
>>>>> halfwits in this world behind.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> 
>>>> **
>>>> Those who don't need help are prepared to help themselves
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> **
>> Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
>> halfwits in this world behind.
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Dane Trethowan]

Ah yes, hearing frequency’s makes all the difference though it mightn’t be 
obvious at first glance, its those extra frequency information that give the 
music the detail, the depth and the added excitement of the expanded sound 
stage, if this weren’t the case the studios wouldn’t bother making master 
recordings using 192K or above sampling and so on.


> On 14 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually hearing does matter when it comes to frequencies. For instance when
> on the Twit network HD audio is discussed, Leo Laporte always points out
> that he can't really appreciate what higher sample rate and bit death does
> for the music as well but as he always says making fun of himself he has old
> ears. He's 58. So he says he can't hear what a mid 20s dude might. Pluss
> since he's always been in Radio and has had headphones on pretty loud he
> says that may have busted some of his hearing too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane
> Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:28 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> I don't knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and you
> pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people getting what
> they could afford to buy and that's fair enough as I'm in that boat too
> however I do look around for the good audio and if it means I have to save
> and wait? Well so be it and that attitude has proven its worth beyond
> question.
> 
> Yes an open mind is what's required but all this wasn't really the point I
> was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to describe the audio
> difference to someone between what you hear through a DAC and most audio
> equipment and the difference is certainly that of night and day.
> 
> You don't need good hearing to distinguish the difference though certainly
> you need some decent speakers or some reasonable headphones, you're not
> going to notice all that much with your $2 earbuds which a lot of people are
> perfectly happy with.
> 
> Its like MP3 files I guess, they're perfectly acceptable when you're
> listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference when you
> start listening to music on CD'S and so on through reasonable equipment and
> the difference is even more pronounced when you turn on that DAC .
> 
> 
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi nerds
> speak out their minds.
>> I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
>> I am not a hifi nerd in my own perspective.
>> But people know that i am very audio intrested and that i do want good
> audio quality.
>> TO be honest i don't hear some differences other might talk about and
> people may or may not judge me for that or laugh at me for that but i don't
> care.
>> I think you should try to be very open minded and very very humble and not
> critisize them for having their analog system for example.
>> I know you do but maybe they do not think you are humble enough.
>> We are talking about audio like an evangelist talks about Jesus.
>> Its like a religion where evrything we might say is the very word.
>> /A
>>> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 20:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>>> 
>>> I have a question which someone might be able to give me some advice on.
>>> 
>>> I've been using DAC'S for nearly 3 years now and there's no doubt about
> it in my mind that they do truly enhance the music listening whether it be
> through a good pair of speakers or through headphones.
>>> 
>>> Okay fine so how do you tell someone just how good a DAC actually is when
> they're stuck in "The Analogue World" for want of a better description.
>>> 
>>> You tell them about your DAC and they say something like, "Yep but I've
> got this CD player or that Sound Card", fact is though that its still
> analogue and - unless you've gone out of your way to buy some top notch gear
> - and most people don't as they don't walk into Hi-Fi specialist shops -
> then they just have no idea what they're missing so how does one describe
> that in words?
>>> 
>>> The only really good description I can think of is that a DAC enhances
> and expands the sound stage - in other words you get far more detail of the
> music -, the instruments are heard as you've most likely never heard them
> before if you've been listening to analogue equipment.
>>> 
>&

RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Hamit Campos]

Interesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard an LP record. So can't judge. But it 
does raze the question my mind, how could it compare to 192 KHZ 24 bit LPCM?

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 9:53 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

And that’s why so many people say the LP records “Sound” better than CD’S.

> On 14 Feb 2016, at 1:15 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah and even though at 192 24 bit it's said that you capture more than you 
> can actually hear, it still is good to do so so you have all the data points 
> of your source.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:20 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> Ah yes, hearing frequency’s makes all the difference though it mightn’t be 
> obvious at first glance, its those extra frequency information that give the 
> music the detail, the depth and the added excitement of the expanded sound 
> stage, if this weren’t the case the studios wouldn’t bother making master 
> recordings using 192K or above sampling and so on.
> 
> 
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually hearing does matter when it comes to frequencies. For 
>> instance when on the Twit network HD audio is discussed, Leo Laporte 
>> always points out that he can't really appreciate what higher sample 
>> rate and bit death does for the music as well but as he always says 
>> making fun of himself he has old ears. He's 58. So he says he can't 
>> hear what a mid 20s dude might. Pluss since he's always been in Radio 
>> and has had headphones on pretty loud he says that may have busted some of 
>> his hearing too.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:28 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>> 
>> I don't knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and 
>> you pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people 
>> getting what they could afford to buy and that's fair enough as I'm 
>> in that boat too however I do look around for the good audio and if 
>> it means I have to save and wait? Well so be it and that attitude has 
>> proven its worth beyond question.
>> 
>> Yes an open mind is what's required but all this wasn't really the 
>> point I was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to 
>> describe the audio difference to someone between what you hear 
>> through a DAC and most audio equipment and the difference is certainly that 
>> of night and day.
>> 
>> You don't need good hearing to distinguish the difference though 
>> certainly you need some decent speakers or some reasonable 
>> headphones, you're not going to notice all that much with your $2 
>> earbuds which a lot of people are perfectly happy with.
>> 
>> Its like MP3 files I guess, they're perfectly acceptable when you're 
>> listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference 
>> when you start listening to music on CD'S and so on through 
>> reasonable equipment and the difference is even more pronounced when you 
>> turn on that DAC .
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi 
>>> nerds
>> speak out their minds.
>>> I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
>>> I am not a hifi nerd in my own perspective.
>>> But people know that i am very audio intrested and that i do want 
>>> good
>> audio quality.
>>> TO be honest i don't hear some differences other might talk about 
>>> and
>> people may or may not judge me for that or laugh at me for that but i 
>> don't care.
>>> I think you should try to be very open minded and very very humble 
>>> and not
>> critisize them for having their analog system for example.
>>> I know you do but maybe they do not think you are humble enough.
>>> We are talking about audio like an evangelist talks about Jesus.
>>> Its like a religion where evrything we m

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Mary Otten]

Hi John,
So this comes with a short cable that has a lightning connector on one
end and usb on the other which plugs into the headphone amp? Is that
what you were saying? I guess I'm not getting why you'd need two
different inputs into the amp, one for androids and one for i-devices.
I certainly understand that the lightning connector and a usb are
different, but those are the outs on the devices providing the source
audio. When I last had a portable amp with dac was with the old 30-pin
connector, and I can't remember how the cabling worked with that thing,
did I buy an extra cable or what? Getting old isn't for the faint of
heart.

Mary 

Mary

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Dane Trethowan]

And that’s why so many people say the LP records “Sound” better than CD’S.

> On 14 Feb 2016, at 1:15 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Yeah and even though at 192 24 bit it's said that you capture more than you 
> can actually hear, it still is good to do so so you have all the data points 
> of your source.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:20 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> Ah yes, hearing frequency’s makes all the difference though it mightn’t be 
> obvious at first glance, its those extra frequency information that give the 
> music the detail, the depth and the added excitement of the expanded sound 
> stage, if this weren’t the case the studios wouldn’t bother making master 
> recordings using 192K or above sampling and so on.
> 
> 
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually hearing does matter when it comes to frequencies. For 
>> instance when on the Twit network HD audio is discussed, Leo Laporte 
>> always points out that he can't really appreciate what higher sample 
>> rate and bit death does for the music as well but as he always says 
>> making fun of himself he has old ears. He's 58. So he says he can't 
>> hear what a mid 20s dude might. Pluss since he's always been in Radio 
>> and has had headphones on pretty loud he says that may have busted some of 
>> his hearing too.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:28 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>> 
>> I don't knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and 
>> you pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people 
>> getting what they could afford to buy and that's fair enough as I'm in 
>> that boat too however I do look around for the good audio and if it 
>> means I have to save and wait? Well so be it and that attitude has 
>> proven its worth beyond question.
>> 
>> Yes an open mind is what's required but all this wasn't really the 
>> point I was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to 
>> describe the audio difference to someone between what you hear through 
>> a DAC and most audio equipment and the difference is certainly that of night 
>> and day.
>> 
>> You don't need good hearing to distinguish the difference though 
>> certainly you need some decent speakers or some reasonable headphones, 
>> you're not going to notice all that much with your $2 earbuds which a 
>> lot of people are perfectly happy with.
>> 
>> Its like MP3 files I guess, they're perfectly acceptable when you're 
>> listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference when 
>> you start listening to music on CD'S and so on through reasonable 
>> equipment and the difference is even more pronounced when you turn on that 
>> DAC .
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi!
>>> Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi 
>>> nerds
>> speak out their minds.
>>> I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
>>> I am not a hifi nerd in my own perspective.
>>> But people know that i am very audio intrested and that i do want 
>>> good
>> audio quality.
>>> TO be honest i don't hear some differences other might talk about and
>> people may or may not judge me for that or laugh at me for that but i 
>> don't care.
>>> I think you should try to be very open minded and very very humble 
>>> and not
>> critisize them for having their analog system for example.
>>> I know you do but maybe they do not think you are humble enough.
>>> We are talking about audio like an evangelist talks about Jesus.
>>> Its like a religion where evrything we might say is the very word.
>>> /A
>>>> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 20:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>>>> 
>>>> I have a question which someone might be able to give me some advice on.
>>>> 
>>>> I've been using DAC'S for nearly 3 years now and there's no doubt 
>>>> about
>> it in my mind that they do truly enhance the music li

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Dane Trethowan]

Yep fair question.

You talked about those extra frequencies, an LP record - played on a reasonable 
turntable through a reasonable Hi-Fi setup exhibits some of those extra 
frequencies you would find in HD audio thus listeners often talk about the 
difference between CD and record.

As for me? Well if people want their LP records and so on then that’s fine but 
I prefer the convenience of CD or Hd Audio thanks - preferably HD audio - 
.


> On 14 Feb 2016, at 4:04 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Interesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard an LP record. So can't judge. But 
> it does raze the question my mind, how could it compare to 192 KHZ 24 bit 
> LPCM?
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
> Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 9:53 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> And that’s why so many people say the LP records “Sound” better than CD’S.
> 
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 1:15 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Yeah and even though at 192 24 bit it's said that you capture more than you 
>> can actually hear, it still is good to do so so you have all the data points 
>> of your source.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Dane Trethowan
>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:20 PM
>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>> 
>> Ah yes, hearing frequency’s makes all the difference though it mightn’t be 
>> obvious at first glance, its those extra frequency information that give the 
>> music the detail, the depth and the added excitement of the expanded sound 
>> stage, if this weren’t the case the studios wouldn’t bother making master 
>> recordings using 192K or above sampling and so on.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Actually hearing does matter when it comes to frequencies. For 
>>> instance when on the Twit network HD audio is discussed, Leo Laporte 
>>> always points out that he can't really appreciate what higher sample 
>>> rate and bit death does for the music as well but as he always says 
>>> making fun of himself he has old ears. He's 58. So he says he can't 
>>> hear what a mid 20s dude might. Pluss since he's always been in Radio 
>>> and has had headphones on pretty loud he says that may have busted some of 
>>> his hearing too.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Dane Trethowan
>>> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:28 PM
>>> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
>>> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
>>> 
>>> I don't knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and 
>>> you pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people 
>>> getting what they could afford to buy and that's fair enough as I'm 
>>> in that boat too however I do look around for the good audio and if 
>>> it means I have to save and wait? Well so be it and that attitude has 
>>> proven its worth beyond question.
>>> 
>>> Yes an open mind is what's required but all this wasn't really the 
>>> point I was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to 
>>> describe the audio difference to someone between what you hear 
>>> through a DAC and most audio equipment and the difference is certainly that 
>>> of night and day.
>>> 
>>> You don't need good hearing to distinguish the difference though 
>>> certainly you need some decent speakers or some reasonable 
>>> headphones, you're not going to notice all that much with your $2 
>>> earbuds which a lot of people are perfectly happy with.
>>> 
>>> Its like MP3 files I guess, they're perfectly acceptable when you're 
>>> listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference 
>>> when you start listening to music on CD'S and so on through 
>>> reasonable equipment and the difference is even more pronounced when you 
>>> turn on that DAC .
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi!
>>>> Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi 
>>>> nerds
>

Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Les Gordon]

lp records are much more warmer sounding. the mids have more detail to them. 
digital is great for clearity but you do lose some warmth in the sound.


- Original Message - 
From: "Hamit Campos" <hamitcam...@gmail.com>

To: "'PC Audio Discussion List'" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2016 12:04 AM
Subject: RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...


Interesting. I'm not sure I've ever heard an LP record. So can't judge. But 
it does raze the question my mind, how could it compare to 192 KHZ 24 bit 
LPCM?


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan

Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 9:53 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

And that’s why so many people say the LP records “Sound” better than CD’S.


On 14 Feb 2016, at 1:15 PM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:

Yeah and even though at 192 24 bit it's said that you capture more than 
you can actually hear, it still is good to do so so you have all the data 
points of your source.


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Dane Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:20 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

Ah yes, hearing frequency’s makes all the difference though it mightn’t be 
obvious at first glance, its those extra frequency information that give 
the music the detail, the depth and the added excitement of the expanded 
sound stage, if this weren’t the case the studios wouldn’t bother making 
master recordings using 192K or above sampling and so on.




On 14 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:

Actually hearing does matter when it comes to frequencies. For
instance when on the Twit network HD audio is discussed, Leo Laporte
always points out that he can't really appreciate what higher sample
rate and bit death does for the music as well but as he always says
making fun of himself he has old ears. He's 58. So he says he can't
hear what a mid 20s dude might. Pluss since he's always been in Radio
and has had headphones on pretty loud he says that may have busted some 
of his hearing too.


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of
Dane Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:28 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

I don't knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and
you pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people
getting what they could afford to buy and that's fair enough as I'm
in that boat too however I do look around for the good audio and if
it means I have to save and wait? Well so be it and that attitude has
proven its worth beyond question.

Yes an open mind is what's required but all this wasn't really the
point I was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to
describe the audio difference to someone between what you hear
through a DAC and most audio equipment and the difference is certainly 
that of night and day.


You don't need good hearing to distinguish the difference though
certainly you need some decent speakers or some reasonable
headphones, you're not going to notice all that much with your $2
earbuds which a lot of people are perfectly happy with.

Its like MP3 files I guess, they're perfectly acceptable when you're
listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference
when you start listening to music on CD'S and so on through
reasonable equipment and the difference is even more pronounced when you 
turn on that DAC .



On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> 
wrote:


Hi!
Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi
nerds

speak out their minds.

I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
I am not a hifi nerd in my own perspective.
But people know that i am very audio intrested and that i do want
good

audio quality.

TO be honest i don't hear some differences other might talk about
and

people may or may not judge me for that or laugh at me for that but i
don't care.

I think you should try to be very open minded and very very humble
and not

critisize them for having their analog system for example.

I know you do but maybe they do not think you are humble enough.
We are talking about audio like an evangelist talks about Jesus.
Its like a religion where evrything we might say is the very word.
/A

13 feb. 2016 kl. 20:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:

I have a question which someone might be able to give me some advice 
on.


I've been using DAC'S for nearly 3 years now and there's no doubt
about

it in my mind that they do truly enhance the music listening whether
it be through a good pair of s

RE: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

[Hamit Campos]

Yeah and even though at 192 24 bit it's said that you capture more than you can 
actually hear, it still is good to do so so you have all the data points of 
your source.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Dane 
Trethowan
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 7:20 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...

Ah yes, hearing frequency’s makes all the difference though it mightn’t be 
obvious at first glance, its those extra frequency information that give the 
music the detail, the depth and the added excitement of the expanded sound 
stage, if this weren’t the case the studios wouldn’t bother making master 
recordings using 192K or above sampling and so on.


> On 14 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Hamit Campos <hamitcam...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually hearing does matter when it comes to frequencies. For 
> instance when on the Twit network HD audio is discussed, Leo Laporte 
> always points out that he can't really appreciate what higher sample 
> rate and bit death does for the music as well but as he always says 
> making fun of himself he has old ears. He's 58. So he says he can't 
> hear what a mid 20s dude might. Pluss since he's always been in Radio 
> and has had headphones on pretty loud he says that may have busted some of 
> his hearing too.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of 
> Dane Trethowan
> Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2016 3:28 PM
> To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Subject: Re: Oppo HA--2 just arrived...
> 
> I don't knock people for having analogue systems or anything else and 
> you pretty much summed it up yourself when you talked about people 
> getting what they could afford to buy and that's fair enough as I'm in 
> that boat too however I do look around for the good audio and if it 
> means I have to save and wait? Well so be it and that attitude has 
> proven its worth beyond question.
> 
> Yes an open mind is what's required but all this wasn't really the 
> point I was trying to make, I was asking the question how best to 
> describe the audio difference to someone between what you hear through 
> a DAC and most audio equipment and the difference is certainly that of night 
> and day.
> 
> You don't need good hearing to distinguish the difference though 
> certainly you need some decent speakers or some reasonable headphones, 
> you're not going to notice all that much with your $2 earbuds which a 
> lot of people are perfectly happy with.
> 
> Its like MP3 files I guess, they're perfectly acceptable when you're 
> listening on the bus and so on but you soon notice the difference when 
> you start listening to music on CD'S and so on through reasonable 
> equipment and the difference is even more pronounced when you turn on that 
> DAC .
> 
> 
>> On 14 Feb 2016, at 7:11 AM, Anders Holmberg <and...@pipkrokodil.se> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi!
>> Well, this is a good question as i am often very skeptical when hifi 
>> nerds
> speak out their minds.
>> I think that others might think of them as not very open minded.
>> I am not a hifi nerd in my own perspective.
>> But people know that i am very audio intrested and that i do want 
>> good
> audio quality.
>> TO be honest i don't hear some differences other might talk about and
> people may or may not judge me for that or laugh at me for that but i 
> don't care.
>> I think you should try to be very open minded and very very humble 
>> and not
> critisize them for having their analog system for example.
>> I know you do but maybe they do not think you are humble enough.
>> We are talking about audio like an evangelist talks about Jesus.
>> Its like a religion where evrything we might say is the very word.
>> /A
>>> 13 feb. 2016 kl. 20:02 skrev Dane Trethowan <grtd...@internode.on.net>:
>>> 
>>> I have a question which someone might be able to give me some advice on.
>>> 
>>> I've been using DAC'S for nearly 3 years now and there's no doubt 
>>> about
> it in my mind that they do truly enhance the music listening whether 
> it be through a good pair of speakers or through headphones.
>>> 
>>> Okay fine so how do you tell someone just how good a DAC actually is 
>>> when
> they're stuck in "The Analogue World" for want of a better description.
>>> 
>>> You tell them about your DAC and they say something like, "Yep but 
>>> I've
> got this CD player or that Sound Card", fact is though that its still 
> analogue and - unless you've gone out of your way to