RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Hamit Campos]

Ah okay.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Brian
Olesen
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:25 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: SV: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi,
Wow no. It's only the plug that looks a little bit alike.

Brian

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Campos
Sendt: 17. februar 2016 14:19
Til: 'PC Audio Discussion List'
Emne: RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

This thing with the voice cutting out is disturbing and strange. I've seen
it with my Bose SoundLink blu-tooth speaker when I use it with a PC. Also
strangely it now does it with the IPhone too. I don't understand what's
going on over there with you all because and someone can correct me if thiss
ain't so, but HDMI is kinda like USB ain't it?

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:44 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi Mary

Ah well, you've got me there. I should have been more specific. I didn't use
the remote to enter any passwords, etc. Most of the set up was done using
that handy Bluetooth transfer thing you can do with your iPhone and my wife
put in the remaining password. I was only referring to navigation with the
remote. 

I have my Apple TV connected to an Arcam AVR750 reciever via an HDMI so you
could be right and it is affecting Voice Over for some reason. I haven't
tried disconnecting the TV from the receiver, but interestingly, anytime I
turn on the Apple TV my Sony Bravia TV automatically comes on as well. I'll
try turning off the Sony to see if it turns off the Apple TV. 

Regards

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 16 February 2016 20:51
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I think
you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant learning curve,
especially when it comes  to actually having to type something in, such as a
mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding out for bluetooth keyboard
access, which is supposedly coming with the next major release of tv os, if
I can believe what I read in the mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd generation
apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we experimented and
connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our tv, rather than going
through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound bar. When connected
directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem completely disappeared.
Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the sound from the apple tv went
to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results with
the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I haven't a
clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and use
all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an example,
with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch netflix unless
the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Hamit Campos]

This thing with the voice cutting out is disturbing and strange. I've seen
it with my Bose SoundLink blu-tooth speaker when I use it with a PC. Also
strangely it now does it with the IPhone too. I don't understand what's
going on over there with you all because and someone can correct me if thiss
ain't so, but HDMI is kinda like USB ain't it?

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of John Gurd
Sent: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 3:44 AM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi Mary

Ah well, you've got me there. I should have been more specific. I didn't use
the remote to enter any passwords, etc. Most of the set up was done using
that handy Bluetooth transfer thing you can do with your iPhone and my wife
put in the remaining password. I was only referring to navigation with the
remote. 

I have my Apple TV connected to an Arcam AVR750 reciever via an HDMI so you
could be right and it is affecting Voice Over for some reason. I haven't
tried disconnecting the TV from the receiver, but interestingly, anytime I
turn on the Apple TV my Sony Bravia TV automatically comes on as well. I'll
try turning off the Sony to see if it turns off the Apple TV. 

Regards

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 16 February 2016 20:51
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I think
you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant learning curve,
especially when it comes  to actually having to type something in, such as a
mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding out for bluetooth keyboard
access, which is supposedly coming with the next major release of tv os, if
I can believe what I read in the mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd generation
apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we experimented and
connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our tv, rather than going
through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound bar. When connected
directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem completely disappeared.
Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the sound from the apple tv went
to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results with
the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I haven't a
clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and use
all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an example,
with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch netflix unless
the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[John Gurd]

Hi Mary

Ah well, you've got me there. I should have been more specific. I didn't use
the remote to enter any passwords, etc. Most of the set up was done using
that handy Bluetooth transfer thing you can do with your iPhone and my wife
put in the remaining password. I was only referring to navigation with the
remote. 

I have my Apple TV connected to an Arcam AVR750 reciever via an HDMI so you
could be right and it is affecting Voice Over for some reason. I haven't
tried disconnecting the TV from the receiver, but interestingly, anytime I
turn on the Apple TV my Sony Bravia TV automatically comes on as well. I'll
try turning off the Sony to see if it turns off the Apple TV. 

Regards

John


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: 16 February 2016 20:51
To: PC Audio Discussion List
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I think
you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant learning curve,
especially when it comes  to actually having to type something in, such as a
mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding out for bluetooth keyboard
access, which is supposedly coming with the next major release of tv os, if
I can believe what I read in the mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd generation
apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we experimented and
connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our tv, rather than going
through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound bar. When connected
directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem completely disappeared.
Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the sound from the apple tv went
to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results with
the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I haven't a
clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and use
all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an example,
with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch netflix unless
the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Dane Trethowan]

BT Keyboard support has nothing whatever to do with BT Speakers .

You can of course connect an AirPlay device to the Apple TV right out of the 
box, you don’t even need to have the Apple TV connected to an existing Home 
Network.


> On 17 Feb 2016, at 9:13 AM, Stephanie Mitchell <sim.musicsch...@gmail.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I also got appletv last week. I'm debating if I get netflix, foxtell, or 
> some other service. I'd like to connect a bt speaker to the tv and cant wait 
> for bt keyboard support.
> Steph 
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: Robert Williams  <bobbyrob1...@gmail.com>
> To: PC Audio Discussion List  <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
> Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:52 am
> Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have the both the 3rd and the 4th generation apple tvs and you do not  
>> need to have the tv on.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Feb 16, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>> Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
>>> think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
>>> learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
>>> something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
>>> out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
>>> next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
>>> mainstream Apple-oriented press. 
>>> 
>>> That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
>>> generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
>>> experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
>>> tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
>>> bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
>>> completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
>>> sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
>>> Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
>>> with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
>>> haven't a clue why.
>>> 
>>> I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
>>> use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
>>> example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
>>> netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
>>> There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
>>> remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
>>> physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.
>>> 
>>> Mary
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
> 
> Mitchell Piano Studio
> Phone: 0450354342
> Web: www.mitchellpianostudio.com 
> 

**
Those of a positive and enquiring frame of mind will leave the rest of the 
halfwits in this world behind.

RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Hamit Campos]

That's right. If the TV has ARC audio return channel you can have the audio
go from the tv strangelyto the HDMI out of the AV that is sending the vid to
the TV. Odd right? But it works. Yeah HDCP this ticks off Leo Laporte and he
always ends any discussion of this kind of thing by saying thanks a lot
Holly Wood. He says they're paranoid. Same opinion applys for Microsoft.

-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Rick
Alfaro
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 6:16 PM
To: 'PC Audio Discussion List' <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi Mary. Funny you should mention the speech dropout issue as I recently ran
into this myself but not with the Apple TV. It was with a mini pc that I had
connected to an HDMI port on my receiver. It was really annoying and totally
ruined the whole experience of using the PC. Like you, the problem was
solved when I connected the PC to one of the HDMI ports on the TV. In my
case however, sound continued to be routed to my home theater system because
the TV was connected to the receiver via HDMI as well.

Regarding what you experienced  with Netflix not playing when your TV wasn't
plugged in, unfortunately, that's the way it is due to the HDCP (hd copy
protection) present on any of these media streamers which is required by any
of the services that offer movies and copy protected music.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:51 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I think
you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant learning curve,
especially when it comes  to actually having to type something in, such as a
mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding out for bluetooth keyboard
access, which is supposedly coming with the next major release of tv os, if
I can believe what I read in the mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd generation
apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we experimented and
connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our tv, rather than going
through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound bar. When connected
directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem completely disappeared.
Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the sound from the apple tv went
to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results with
the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I haven't a
clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and use
all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an example,
with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch netflix unless
the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

RE: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Mary. Funny you should mention the speech dropout issue as I recently ran
into this myself but not with the Apple TV. It was with a mini pc that I had
connected to an HDMI port on my receiver. It was really annoying and totally
ruined the whole experience of using the PC. Like you, the problem was
solved when I connected the PC to one of the HDMI ports on the TV. In my
case however, sound continued to be routed to my home theater system because
the TV was connected to the receiver via HDMI as well.

Regarding what you experienced  with Netflix not playing when your TV wasn't
plugged in, unfortunately, that's the way it is due to the HDCP (hd copy
protection) present on any of these media streamers which is required by any
of the services that offer movies and copy protected music.



Best regards,

Rick Alfaro


-Original Message-
From: Pc-audio [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Otten
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:51 PM
To: PC Audio Discussion List <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
haven't a clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Stephanie Mitchell]

I also got appletv last week. I'm debating if I get netflix, foxtell, or 
some other service. I'd like to connect a bt speaker to the tv and cant wait 
for bt keyboard support.
Steph 

- Original Message -
From: Robert Williams  <bobbyrob1...@gmail.com>
To: PC Audio Discussion List  <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 17, 2016 8:52 am
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

>
>
> 
> I have the both the 3rd and the 4th generation apple tvs and you do not  need 
> to have the tv on.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> > On Feb 16, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Mary Otten <maryot...@comcast.net> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi John,
> > 
> > Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
> > think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
> > learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
> > something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
> > out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
> > next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
> > mainstream Apple-oriented press. 
> > 
> > That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
> > generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
> > experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
> > tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
> > bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
> > completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
> > sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
> > Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
> > with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
> > haven't a clue why.
> > 
> > I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
> > use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
> > example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
> > netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
> > There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
> > remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
> > physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.
> > 
> > Mary
> > 
> > 
> 

Mitchell Piano Studio
Phone: 0450354342
Web: www.mitchellpianostudio.com 

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Robert Williams]

I have the both the 3rd and the 4th generation apple tvs and you do not  need 
to have the tv on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 16, 2016, at 2:50 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
> think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
> learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
> something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
> out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
> next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
> mainstream Apple-oriented press. 
> 
> That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
> generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
> experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
> tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
> bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
> completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
> sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
> Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
> with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
> haven't a clue why.
> 
> I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
> use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
> example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
> netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
> There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
> remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
> physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.
> 
> Mary
> 
> 

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Les Gordon]

mary, with the new apple tv you can use the hdmi and if connected to a 
surround sound receiver you do not need to have your tv on. you can just 
listen to the audio through the receiver. also the problem with voice over 
cutting out. the software could be corrupted and might need a fresh install 
of software. a full factory reset can sometimes fix those problems. i have 
the apple tv 3rd gen and also 4th gen and never any problems with voiceover 
cutting out.


- Original Message - 
From: "Mary Otten" <maryot...@comcast.net>

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" <pc-audio@pc-audio.org>
Sent: Tuesday, February 16, 2016 3:50 PM
Subject: Re: Apple TV 4th Gen



Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
mainstream Apple-oriented press.

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
haven't a clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary

Re: Apple TV 4th Gen

[Mary Otten]

Hi John,

Your observation about the remote being easy to use is interesting. I
think you are the first one who hasn't encountered a significant
learning curve, especially when it comes  to actually having to type
something in, such as a mixed case alphanumeric password. I'm holding
out for bluetooth keyboard access, which is supposedly coming with the
next major release of tv os, if I can believe what I read in the
mainstream Apple-oriented press. 

That deal where voice over cuts out has happened to me with a 2nd
generation apple tv. It happened a lot and only quit happening when we
experimented and connected the apple tv directly to the hdmi in on our
tv, rather than going through an a/v surround receiver or even a sound
bar. When connected directly to the tv, the voiceover cut out problem
completely disappeared. Unfortunately, that also meant the rest of the
sound from the apple tv went to the tv speakers, which are God awful.
Just food for thought. And I have heard others report varying results
with the voiceover cut out problem. Some have it. Others don't. And I
haven't a clue why.

I do have a question. Can you connect the apple tv 4th generation and
use all of its features without actually having a tv in the mix? As an
example, with my 2nd generation product, it was not possible to watch
netflix unless the tv was actually turned on. Netflix would not play.
There may have been others too, but Netflix is the one I specifically
remember. So even though I didn't need the picture, the tv had to be
physically on, not just the surround receiver and speakers.

Mary