Re: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I'm not sure I see the arrogance you do. It looks to me like we just
have two sides of an issue. Both sides seem to be stating their case
with equal certitude, so if there's any arrogance it's on both sides. I
also don't understand the reference to RAR files. I sort of recall
someone thinking RAR files were a compressed file format, so I can see
where they'd think asking about them would be on topic for this list,
but as I recall, it was explained in just a message or two what was
going on and how to deal with them. I don't recall anyone arguing that
discussing archive formats was on topic for this list. Even so, I don't
think one off topic posting means everything is on topic.

On 14/01/12 16:07, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> At least the matter was dealt with in part and I would hope! that if anyone 
> else had questions that they were at least given some leads to follow rather 
> than met with an arrogant response as demonstrated in the last couple of 
> messages, again couldn't be any worse than talking about RAR archives .
> 
> 
> On 15/01/2012, at 4:45 AM, Bardia Zakeri wrote:
> 
>> It is oftopic
>>
>> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
>> Från: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
>> För Christopher Chaltain
>> Skickat: den 14 januari 2012 18:11
>> Till: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Ämne: Re: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?
>>
>> For my part, this is clearly off topic for this list, but obviously it's
>> ultimately up to Tom to decide. If any topic related to cell phones or
>> screen readers was on topic for this list then we'd quickly be
>> overwhelmed. I think this is evident given how many lists there are
>> dedicated to screen readers and cell phones. In fact, whether this is on
>> topic for this list or not, a list dedicated to cell phone access would
>> be a more efficient way to get you the information you're looking for,
>> as a previous message from Dane will demonstrate.
>>
>> A good list would be the accessible phones list, which you can subscribe
>> to by sending a blank email message to:
>> blindphones-subscr...@mosenexplosion.com
>>
>> BTW, back to the original question, I don't think Samsung is trying to
>> compete with the iPhone. Look at the specifications of the Galaxy line
>> of phones and how many devices are out there running Android versus IOS,
>> and you might find that it's the other way around.
>>
>> Not all Galxy phones run Android 2.3. The Galaxy Nexis for example, runs
>> Android 4.0 (also known as Ice Cream Sandwich) which has some serious
>> accessibility improvements, including being able to activate Talk Back
>> from the setup screen with no sighted assistance. In addition to Talk
>> Back, other screen readers for Android include the free and open source
>> Spiel as well as Mobile Accessibility for Android from Code Factory,
>> which is not free.
>>
>> Back to the topic of the mailing list, here's what it says about what's
>> on topic for this list in the greeting email each of us got when we
>> subscribed to the list:
>>
>> PC-audio is a list for the discussion of any PC audio related topic
>> such as PC audio software like sound editors, audio players and audio
>> formats; and hardware like sound cards, CD and DVD devices and so on.
>>
>> Willfully posting an off-topic message is
>> strictly prohibited. While it may be considered that one or two
>> messages that are off topic can't hurt, if everyone on a large list
>> like this took that approach, we would quickly descend into chaos.
>> Asking for replies to be sent privately makes no difference.
>>
>> On 14/01/12 09:47, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>>> Everything! it connects to a computer, plays MP3 but most importantly it
>> can talk and uses a Screen Reader.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15/01/2012, at 2:36 AM, Bardia Zakeri wrote:
>>>
>>>> What  has this  do with pc-audio ?
>>>>
>>>> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
>>>> Från: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
>> [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
>>>> För Clifford Blackwell
>>>> Skickat: den 14 januari 2012 16:22
>>>> Till: PC Audio Discussion List
>>>> Ämne: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?
>>>>
>>>> Samsung seems to be trying to compeat with Apple's iPad and iPod Touch
>> with
>>>> their Galaxy line of Android accessible products.  Are there any screen
>>>> readers that work with these?  Will the 

Re: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?

[Dane Trethowan]

At least the matter was dealt with in part and I would hope! that if anyone 
else had questions that they were at least given some leads to follow rather 
than met with an arrogant response as demonstrated in the last couple of 
messages, again couldn't be any worse than talking about RAR archives .


On 15/01/2012, at 4:45 AM, Bardia Zakeri wrote:

> It is oftopic
> 
> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
> Från: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
> För Christopher Chaltain
> Skickat: den 14 januari 2012 18:11
> Till: PC Audio Discussion List
> Ämne: Re: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?
> 
> For my part, this is clearly off topic for this list, but obviously it's
> ultimately up to Tom to decide. If any topic related to cell phones or
> screen readers was on topic for this list then we'd quickly be
> overwhelmed. I think this is evident given how many lists there are
> dedicated to screen readers and cell phones. In fact, whether this is on
> topic for this list or not, a list dedicated to cell phone access would
> be a more efficient way to get you the information you're looking for,
> as a previous message from Dane will demonstrate.
> 
> A good list would be the accessible phones list, which you can subscribe
> to by sending a blank email message to:
> blindphones-subscr...@mosenexplosion.com
> 
> BTW, back to the original question, I don't think Samsung is trying to
> compete with the iPhone. Look at the specifications of the Galaxy line
> of phones and how many devices are out there running Android versus IOS,
> and you might find that it's the other way around.
> 
> Not all Galxy phones run Android 2.3. The Galaxy Nexis for example, runs
> Android 4.0 (also known as Ice Cream Sandwich) which has some serious
> accessibility improvements, including being able to activate Talk Back
> from the setup screen with no sighted assistance. In addition to Talk
> Back, other screen readers for Android include the free and open source
> Spiel as well as Mobile Accessibility for Android from Code Factory,
> which is not free.
> 
> Back to the topic of the mailing list, here's what it says about what's
> on topic for this list in the greeting email each of us got when we
> subscribed to the list:
> 
> PC-audio is a list for the discussion of any PC audio related topic
> such as PC audio software like sound editors, audio players and audio
> formats; and hardware like sound cards, CD and DVD devices and so on.
> 
> Willfully posting an off-topic message is
> strictly prohibited. While it may be considered that one or two
> messages that are off topic can't hurt, if everyone on a large list
> like this took that approach, we would quickly descend into chaos.
> Asking for replies to be sent privately makes no difference.
> 
> On 14/01/12 09:47, Dane Trethowan wrote:
>> Everything! it connects to a computer, plays MP3 but most importantly it
> can talk and uses a Screen Reader.
>> 
>> 
>> On 15/01/2012, at 2:36 AM, Bardia Zakeri wrote:
>> 
>>> What  has this  do with pc-audio ?
>>> 
>>> -----Ursprungligt meddelande-
>>> Från: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
> [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
>>> För Clifford Blackwell
>>> Skickat: den 14 januari 2012 16:22
>>> Till: PC Audio Discussion List
>>> Ämne: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?
>>> 
>>> Samsung seems to be trying to compeat with Apple's iPad and iPod Touch
> with
>>> their Galaxy line of Android accessible products.  Are there any screen
>>> readers that work with these?  Will the Code Factory products work with
>>> Android 2.3.5 and hence one of these beasties?
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts or information will be appreciated.
>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to:
>>> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
>>> 
>>> 
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SV: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?

[Bardia Zakeri]

It is oftopic

-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Från: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
För Christopher Chaltain
Skickat: den 14 januari 2012 18:11
Till: PC Audio Discussion List
Ämne: Re: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?

For my part, this is clearly off topic for this list, but obviously it's
ultimately up to Tom to decide. If any topic related to cell phones or
screen readers was on topic for this list then we'd quickly be
overwhelmed. I think this is evident given how many lists there are
dedicated to screen readers and cell phones. In fact, whether this is on
topic for this list or not, a list dedicated to cell phone access would
 be a more efficient way to get you the information you're looking for,
as a previous message from Dane will demonstrate.

A good list would be the accessible phones list, which you can subscribe
to by sending a blank email message to:
blindphones-subscr...@mosenexplosion.com

BTW, back to the original question, I don't think Samsung is trying to
compete with the iPhone. Look at the specifications of the Galaxy line
of phones and how many devices are out there running Android versus IOS,
and you might find that it's the other way around.

Not all Galxy phones run Android 2.3. The Galaxy Nexis for example, runs
Android 4.0 (also known as Ice Cream Sandwich) which has some serious
accessibility improvements, including being able to activate Talk Back
from the setup screen with no sighted assistance. In addition to Talk
Back, other screen readers for Android include the free and open source
Spiel as well as Mobile Accessibility for Android from Code Factory,
which is not free.

Back to the topic of the mailing list, here's what it says about what's
on topic for this list in the greeting email each of us got when we
subscribed to the list:

PC-audio is a list for the discussion of any PC audio related topic
such as PC audio software like sound editors, audio players and audio
formats; and hardware like sound cards, CD and DVD devices and so on.

Willfully posting an off-topic message is
strictly prohibited. While it may be considered that one or two
messages that are off topic can't hurt, if everyone on a large list
like this took that approach, we would quickly descend into chaos.
Asking for replies to be sent privately makes no difference.

On 14/01/12 09:47, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> Everything! it connects to a computer, plays MP3 but most importantly it
can talk and uses a Screen Reader.
> 
> 
> On 15/01/2012, at 2:36 AM, Bardia Zakeri wrote:
> 
>> What  has this  do with pc-audio ?
>>
>> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
>> Från: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org
[mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
>> För Clifford Blackwell
>> Skickat: den 14 januari 2012 16:22
>> Till: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Ämne: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?
>>
>> Samsung seems to be trying to compeat with Apple's iPad and iPod Touch
with
>> their Galaxy line of Android accessible products.  Are there any screen
>> readers that work with these?  Will the Code Factory products work with
>> Android 2.3.5 and hence one of these beasties?
>>
>> Any thoughts or information will be appreciated.
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to:
>> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
>>
>>
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to:
>> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
> 
> 
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Re: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?

[Christopher Chaltain]

For my part, this is clearly off topic for this list, but obviously it's
ultimately up to Tom to decide. If any topic related to cell phones or
screen readers was on topic for this list then we'd quickly be
overwhelmed. I think this is evident given how many lists there are
dedicated to screen readers and cell phones. In fact, whether this is on
topic for this list or not, a list dedicated to cell phone access would
 be a more efficient way to get you the information you're looking for,
as a previous message from Dane will demonstrate.

A good list would be the accessible phones list, which you can subscribe
to by sending a blank email message to:
blindphones-subscr...@mosenexplosion.com

BTW, back to the original question, I don't think Samsung is trying to
compete with the iPhone. Look at the specifications of the Galaxy line
of phones and how many devices are out there running Android versus IOS,
and you might find that it's the other way around.

Not all Galxy phones run Android 2.3. The Galaxy Nexis for example, runs
Android 4.0 (also known as Ice Cream Sandwich) which has some serious
accessibility improvements, including being able to activate Talk Back
from the setup screen with no sighted assistance. In addition to Talk
Back, other screen readers for Android include the free and open source
Spiel as well as Mobile Accessibility for Android from Code Factory,
which is not free.

Back to the topic of the mailing list, here's what it says about what's
on topic for this list in the greeting email each of us got when we
subscribed to the list:

PC-audio is a list for the discussion of any PC audio related topic
such as PC audio software like sound editors, audio players and audio
formats; and hardware like sound cards, CD and DVD devices and so on.

Willfully posting an off-topic message is
strictly prohibited. While it may be considered that one or two
messages that are off topic can't hurt, if everyone on a large list
like this took that approach, we would quickly descend into chaos.
Asking for replies to be sent privately makes no difference.

On 14/01/12 09:47, Dane Trethowan wrote:
> Everything! it connects to a computer, plays MP3 but most importantly it can 
> talk and uses a Screen Reader.
> 
> 
> On 15/01/2012, at 2:36 AM, Bardia Zakeri wrote:
> 
>> What  has this  do with pc-audio ?
>>
>> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
>> Från: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
>> För Clifford Blackwell
>> Skickat: den 14 januari 2012 16:22
>> Till: PC Audio Discussion List
>> Ämne: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?
>>
>> Samsung seems to be trying to compeat with Apple's iPad and iPod Touch with
>> their Galaxy line of Android accessible products.  Are there any screen
>> readers that work with these?  Will the Code Factory products work with
>> Android 2.3.5 and hence one of these beasties?
>>
>> Any thoughts or information will be appreciated.
>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to:
>> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
>>
>>
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>> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
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Re: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?

[Dane Trethowan]

Everything! it connects to a computer, plays MP3 but most importantly it can 
talk and uses a Screen Reader.


On 15/01/2012, at 2:36 AM, Bardia Zakeri wrote:

> What  has this  do with pc-audio ?
> 
> -Ursprungligt meddelande-
> Från: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
> För Clifford Blackwell
> Skickat: den 14 januari 2012 16:22
> Till: PC Audio Discussion List
> Ämne: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?
> 
> Samsung seems to be trying to compeat with Apple's iPad and iPod Touch with
> their Galaxy line of Android accessible products.  Are there any screen
> readers that work with these?  Will the Code Factory products work with
> Android 2.3.5 and hence one of these beasties?
> 
> Any thoughts or information will be appreciated.
> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to:
> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
> 
> 
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Re: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?

[Dane Trethowan]

I'm not the man to answer your questions, that's why I suggested the 
techno-chat list.

I do intend to look at Android and accessibility later on in the year when it 
will be advantageous for me to get a new Phone but until that? Well I'm happy 
with my iPhone .


On 15/01/2012, at 2:36 AM, Clifford Blackwell wrote:

> Thanks Dane.  I will check out that source of information.  However, until I 
> can do that, can you give a quick summary i.e. names of screen readers that 
> might make these worth looking into?
> - Original Message - From: "Dane Trethowan" 
> To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
> Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:26 AM
> Subject: Re: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?
> 
> 
>> Yep there are and we've been having a discussion on this on the techno-chat 
>> list, you can find out more info and view archives at 
>> <http://www.techno-chat.net>
>> 
>> 
>> On 15/01/2012, at 2:22 AM, Clifford Blackwell wrote:
>> 
>>> Samsung seems to be trying to compeat with Apple's iPad and iPod Touch with 
>>> their Galaxy line of Android accessible products.  Are there any screen 
>>> readers that work with these?  Will the Code Factory products work with 
>>> Android 2.3.5 and hence one of these beasties?
>>> 
>>> Any thoughts or information will be appreciated.
>>> To unsubscribe from this list, send a blank email to:
>>> pc-audio-unsubscr...@pc-audio.org
>> 
>> 
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SV: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?

[Bardia Zakeri]

What  has this  do with pc-audio ?

-Ursprungligt meddelande-
Från: pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org [mailto:pc-audio-boun...@pc-audio.org]
För Clifford Blackwell
Skickat: den 14 januari 2012 16:22
Till: PC Audio Discussion List
Ämne: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?

Samsung seems to be trying to compeat with Apple's iPad and iPod Touch with
their Galaxy line of Android accessible products.  Are there any screen
readers that work with these?  Will the Code Factory products work with
Android 2.3.5 and hence one of these beasties?

Any thoughts or information will be appreciated.
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Re: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?

[Clifford Blackwell]

Thanks Dane.  I will check out that source of information.  However, until I 
can do that, can you give a quick summary i.e. names of screen readers that 
might make these worth looking into?
- Original Message - 
From: "Dane Trethowan" 

To: "PC Audio Discussion List" 
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: Re: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?


Yep there are and we've been having a discussion on this on the 
techno-chat list, you can find out more info and view archives at 
<http://www.techno-chat.net>



On 15/01/2012, at 2:22 AM, Clifford Blackwell wrote:

Samsung seems to be trying to compeat with Apple's iPad and iPod Touch 
with their Galaxy line of Android accessible products.  Are there any 
screen readers that work with these?  Will the Code Factory products work 
with Android 2.3.5 and hence one of these beasties?


Any thoughts or information will be appreciated.
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Re: Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?

[Dane Trethowan]

Yep there are and we've been having a discussion on this on the techno-chat 
list, you can find out more info and view archives at 



On 15/01/2012, at 2:22 AM, Clifford Blackwell wrote:

> Samsung seems to be trying to compeat with Apple's iPad and iPod Touch with 
> their Galaxy line of Android accessible products.  Are there any screen 
> readers that work with these?  Will the Code Factory products work with 
> Android 2.3.5 and hence one of these beasties?
> 
> Any thoughts or information will be appreciated.
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Samsung Galaxy line of products, are they accessible?

[Clifford Blackwell]

Samsung seems to be trying to compeat with Apple's iPad and iPod Touch with 
their Galaxy line of Android accessible products.  Are there any screen readers 
that work with these?  Will the Code Factory products work with Android 2.3.5 
and hence one of these beasties?

Any thoughts or information will be appreciated.
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