Re: [PD] Subject: PureData Convention Papers Abstracts due soon
Am Sonntag, 15. April 2007 10:58 schrieb Andrew Brouse: Hello PDers, This is just a gentle reminder that abstracts are soon due for those who wish to present papers at PDCon 2007. I know there are lots of interesting things going on out there, so please do share with your colleagues! All it takes is a 1 page (max) abstract right now. If accepted, you then have until June 30 to finish the paper. thanx, shouldnt be the dates be updated on the webpages like: Guidelines with updated templates are here: http://www.puredata.org/community/projects/convention07/guidelines#papers so poeple can read it. I found three different dates for paper upload. mfg winfried ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Apr 15, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Ah, okay. I was just encountering these kinds of overlapping comments in some other patches by other people as well so I was fearing, that it might an incompatibility with patches written using pd-extended and us old-school Courier folks. There are probably also incompatibilities in the patches. There definitely are size incompatibilities between the new font Pd- extended and other pd versions. So now there *are* size incompatibilities with Miller's Pd? I'm just asking to be prepared, I don't run the Pd from pd-extended, I prefer a plain MSP-Pd in the latest version. There are incompatibilities between different versions of Pd (0.38, 0.39, 0.40), and each of those versions different platforms (Windows, GNU/Linux and Mac OS X). This version is the same size to the pixel on each platform. There is, of course, no way that the new sizes could be compatible with all of variations. But I hope you'll agree that this is a better situation. Of course having Pd look the same on all platforms is a good goal, and Miller also supported this in the past. I'm not against solving this at all. But of course incompatibilities should be kept to a minimum, I hope you'll agree with that. (Besides the OS-issues, no versions of MSP-Pd that I've used, had size-incompatibilities when using the same font.) I'm just a bit worrind: Now that you've released new fonts into the (pd-extended) wild, there's an additional, new variable to consider with regard to compatibility when going further with font enhancements. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] hid, routing different devices
Hallo, moritz hat gesagt: // moritz wrote: do i understand it right, i can for example the x-joystick allocate forever on /dev/input/event5 with udev? Maybe you can, I've no idea and this wasn't what my mail was about. I was recommending to use device names from /dev/input/by-id/... instead of the /dev/input/eventX names. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PureData Convention Papers Abstracts ...
shouldnt be the dates be updated on the webpages like: Guidelines with updated templates are here: http://www.puredata.org/community/projects/convention07/guidelines#papers The official dates are on the official call here: http://pure-data.ca/call.html For the meantime, the submission form is still open (wink, wink): http://pure-data.ca/openconf.php I am too busy writing grants to allow the convention to exist to verify that dates everywhere are synchronised. If someone wants to send me specific URIs where they are inconsistent, I will get around to making the change once the grants are finished. One question for the PD community: can anyone give me an estimate of the number of users/developers worldwide? in your country (Austria, Finland etc.)? How many people are on the PD list? thanks very much. yours, Andrew ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Array size
Hallo, my name's Marco Liuni; I'm trying to read a 4 channels audio file using 4 arrays, but I can't cause the file is too big. I've tried with this | read -resize -maxsize n $1 $2-array1 $2-array2 $2-array3 $2- array4 ( [soundfiler] but when I use n over about 800 it says this error: usage: read [flags] filename tablename... flags: -skip n -nframes n -resize -maxsize n ... -raw headerbytes channels bytespersamp endian (b, l, or n). How can I force array size limit? Thank you very much. Marco ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] hid, routing different devices
Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, moritz hat gesagt: // moritz wrote: do i understand it right, i can for example the x-joystick allocate forever on /dev/input/event5 with udev? Maybe you can, I've no idea and this wasn't what my mail was about. I was recommending to use device names from /dev/input/by-id/... instead of the /dev/input/eventX names. Ciao thanx! now i understand. but here it only works very well with the deprecated (e.g.) [linuxevent /dev/input/by-id/usb-bla-company-joystick]. e.g. with [hidio /dev/input/by-id/usb-bla-company-joystick] or [hid /dev/input/by-id/usb-bla-company-joystick] it does not work : [hidio] using 0x 0x for /dev/input/by-id/usb-bla-company-joystick hid_open [hidio] device does not exist info: open 1 ola MorITz ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] I created an ebuild for pd-0.40-p2
I forgot: actually, in the pd-overlay repository, many ebuilds have version - meaning that they are fetched from CVS (a trick to make they appear the latest version). there is a class that handles abstractions/externals fetching from cvs. otherwise ebuilds can fetch tgz/zip/rar packages from some snapshot On 4/16/07, federico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just some notes: I was thinking on how to manage releases, since many externals do not have releases numbers. also: in gentoo binary packages aren't much in use. gentoo *is* a build farm: the user compiles the softwares that wants to installs, choosing compile options via tag-like switches (USE flags). (you can actually use it to build binary packages working out-of-the-box) that information is handled in ebuilds, special shell scripts that have the versiondependency check,fetch,unpack,compile,test,install,merge recipe. so a gentoo repository it's just a collection of ebuilds, metadata and changelogs, no bin packages. a note about the development: to commit ebuilds properly, automating the check of some rules and the writing of changelog, there's a script (sunrise-commit) wich relies on SVN (didn't look how can be adapted to CVS), so it may be better work on pd-overlay project separately, and sync to pd-cvs or wathever vc when doing point releases of pd/pd-ext (also useful for tracking external's versions) (I can add you as developer of pd-overlay, if you are intended to help testing, or fixing ebuilds, or using it as a build platform just give me your sf.net usernmae) about the gentoo version: latest is fine (should be 2006.1, or 2007.0) -- Federico ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Arduino stuff
Hi, a couple of questions about arduinos and PD and stuff. I hope they aren't somewhere obvious; I haven't been able to find any answers. - is it possible to have multiple arduinos being talked with by one PD patch on one machine? Has anyone tried this? - is there a Max version of the Pduino interface stuff? We are a multiple platform house, so it would be good if we could use the same arduino firmware for multiple platforms, i.e. PD and Max. - Bluetooth Arduino: any luck on linux or OSX so far? Last I heard there were problems... Cheers, Tim ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PureData Convention Papers Abstracts ...
Hallo, Andrew Brouse hat gesagt: // Andrew Brouse wrote: One question for the PD community: can anyone give me an estimate of the number of users/developers worldwide? in your country (Austria, Finland etc.)? How many people are on the PD list? You can check the subscriber count on the list page: http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Last time I looked there were about 1500 people subscribed to pd-list/pd-dev. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released // fonts
I think that, since font sizes now differ between platforms, it's probably OK to introduce a new, uniform font size as long as it doesn't exceed that of any currently used one by more than about a pixel... and indeed, it will be a huge benefit to get this straightened out at last! cheers Miller (Franks' message extracted:) Of course having Pd look the same on all platforms is a good goal, and Miller also supported this in the past. I'm not against solving this at all. But of course incompatibilities should be kept to a minimum, I hope you'll agree with that. (Besides the OS-issues, no versions of MSP-Pd that I've used, had size-incompatibilities when using the same font.) I'm just a bit worrind: Now that you've released new fonts into the (pd-extended) wild, there's an additional, new variable to consider with regard to compatibility when going further with font enhancements. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] KnobsAndSlidersAndTogglesDS
Hey All, If you use Puredata and you own a Nintendo DS then you might like to download KnobsAndSlidersDS v0.2 - I finally found time to incorporate Frank's DS-button and toggle patches (thanks Frank!) and do a couple of speed tweaks (with more to come in the next version). http://mccormick.cx/projects/KnobsAndSlidersDS/ Have fun! Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Question on RTC
Frank,
I was working with some of the RTC stuff over the weekend and I had a
question about the abstraction 'xrandom'. While I understand that you
were probably basing this on the 'xrandom' from the Max version of
this, I would think that as is, 'xrandom' is a little different from
similar objects.
As this is based on the 'urne' abstraction, and it seems to follow the
same premise as the 'textfile' and 'qlist' objects, I would think that
'xrandom' would do this as well.
Basically, the difference that I see is that each of these other
objects ('urne', 'textfile', etc.), all produce an output on the left
as long as there is more to output, and bangs on the right outlet
after the list is done, and does NOT output anything on the right.
'xrandom', on the other hand, DOES produce an output on the LEFT at
the same time it is outputting a bang on the right to indicate that
the list of objects is complete. This seems a little cumbersome, as
this output on the LEFT is actually the first element from the next
iteration of the set. This gives a false indication as to where the
list of numbers ends. On the first iteration through the list, it
would send out one more item than is in the list, and each subsequent
iteration is shifted by one element.
While I can see that this would not really be an issue if you are not
using the 'end of list' bang on the right outlet, but if you are, it
doesn't break the list at the real boundries.
To change this behaviour, I removed the 'bang' from the [clear, bang(
message that gets sent at the end of the iteration.
So, is what I am describing better done using other means? Is
'xrandom' expected to be used as a bang as much as you want type of
abstraction? Is this behaviour based on the RTC/Max version? Does any
of this make sense?
Mike McG
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released // fonts
Hallo, Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote: I think that, since font sizes now differ between platforms, it's probably OK to introduce a new, uniform font size as long as it doesn't exceed that of any currently used one by more than about a pixel... and indeed, it will be a huge benefit to get this straightened out at last! Yep, definitely. I now had a real look at pd-extended. Some comments: The properties menu for IEMGUIs still explicitly specify names like Deja Sans ... or Helvetica. I think, it would be better to use more general names: Mono, Sans Serif and Serif. That way it would be easier to map the names to different font faces eventially or when -typeface X is used. Then very much, even with Deja, I would prefer to have a bold typeface back. I find the non-bold fonts hard to read and for my tastes they are too similar in width to the object borders. Btw: the number in number boxes is positioned a little bit to low, not in the center. _From a quick glance at pd.tk I still don't like, that the font face is hardcoded in many places. I'm tcl-illiterate, but it would be nice to have the fonts defined in just one place. One end goal IMO should be a system similar to the one in Desire Data: Here you can totally change the graphical appearance, from colors to fonts and beyond, by editing a GUI config file. With hardcoded font names everywhere this is porbably harder to realize. Also after seeing Chun's DD presentation at make art last week I fell in love with the Zoom feature of Desire Data: If like me one is sight impaired when in front of a screen (yep, I'm aproaching 40), with current Pd it is necessary to change the font size, which, even with the Deja-font and pd-extended, will still break the layout of a patch. Instead of that, zooming into a patch would be a much better solution for handicapped users. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Arduino stuff
Tim Boykett wrote: Hi, a couple of questions about arduinos and PD and stuff. I hope they aren't somewhere obvious; I haven't been able to find any answers. - is it possible to have multiple arduinos being talked with by one PD patch on one machine? Has anyone tried this? - is there a Max version of the Pduino interface stuff? We are a multiple platform house, so it would be good if we could use the same arduino firmware for multiple platforms, i.e. PD and Max. i think so: http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Interfacing/Firmata -josh - Bluetooth Arduino: any luck on linux or OSX so far? Last I heard there were problems... Cheers, Tim ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- tasty electronic music vittles -- bluevitriol.com the only music blog you need-- playtherecords.com you are the dj. interactive music -- improbableorchestra.com random observations of the bizarre -- vitriolix.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] KnobsAndSlidersAndTogglesDS
Hallo, Chris McCormick hat gesagt: // Chris McCormick wrote: If you use Puredata and you own a Nintendo DS then you might like to download KnobsAndSlidersDS v0.2 - I finally found time to incorporate Frank's DS-button and toggle patches (thanks Frank!) and do a couple of speed tweaks (with more to come in the next version). http://mccormick.cx/projects/KnobsAndSlidersDS/ Cool!! I'll check this out later. btw: The name KnobsAndSlidersAndTogglesDS may grow even longer with ever new GUI element: KnobsAndSlidersAndTogglesAndXYPlaneAndBreathAndMicDS ... What about stopping this now and use an akronym like KATS-DS for _K_nobs_A_nd_T_ogglesAnd_S_liders-DS ;) Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Arduino stuff
On Mon, 2007-04-16 at 19:02 +0200, Tim Boykett wrote: - is it possible to have multiple arduinos being talked with by one PD patch on one machine? Has anyone tried this? since the arduino mounts itself as a serial device, you can easily have more than one arduino and talk to them on different ports with pd. of course, you'll need for each arduino one [arduino] (or [comport]) object. roman ___ Telefonate ohne weitere Kosten vom PC zum PC: http://messenger.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released // fonts
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 19:34:29 +0200 Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also after seeing Chun's DD presentation at make art last week I fell in love with the Zoom feature of Desire Data: If like me one is sight impaired when in front of a screen (yep, I'm aproaching 40), with current Pd it is necessary to change the font size, which, even with the Deja-font and pd-extended, will still break the layout of a patch. Instead of that, zooming into a patch would be a much better solution for handicapped users. Strongly agree. I'm no spring bunny myself and it can be a strain when working on large patches. A mousewheel zoom to cursor focus would be a very welcome addition. -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Arduino stuff
Tim Boykett wrote: - is it possible to have multiple arduinos being talked with by one PD patch on one machine? Has anyone tried this? pd talks to the arduino via the comport object. if you have several arduinos attached, then you want to give each instance of the arduino object the corrating portnumber. - is there a Max version of the Pduino interface stuff? yes, have a look at http://www.parasitaere-kapazitaeten.net/max_msp/pduino_for_max it is still beta (serial object is not working properly under windows.) - Bluetooth Arduino: any luck on linux or OSX so far? Last I heard there were problems... hmm, should not be a problem on OSX, where or what did you here about it? because I also want to get some bt arduinos. marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] I created an ebuild for pd-0.40-p2
On Mon Apr 16, 2007 at 03:44:25AM +0200, federico wrote: I forgot: actually, in the pd-overlay repository, many ebuilds have version - meaning that they are fetched from CVS (a trick to make they appear the latest version). URL pls. i find a link to an XML file on sourceforge, that might have contained a link to the repo, but sourceforge is totally broken right now: Traceback (most recent call last): File /usr/local/viewvc-1.0.3.sf-new/lib/viewvc.py, line 3660, in main request.run_viewvc() File /usr/local/viewvc-1.0.3.sf-new/lib/viewvc.py, line 285, in run_viewvc % self.rootname, 404 Repository not found) there is a class that handles abstractions/externals fetching from cvs. otherwise ebuilds can fetch tgz/zip/rar packages from some snapshot On 4/16/07, federico [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: just some notes: I was thinking on how to manage releases, since many externals do not have releases numbers. also: in gentoo binary packages aren't much in use. gentoo *is* a build farm: the user compiles the softwares that wants to installs, choosing compile options via tag-like switches (USE flags). (you can actually use it to build binary packages working out-of-the-box) that information is handled in ebuilds, special shell scripts that have the versiondependency check,fetch,unpack,compile,test,install,merge recipe. so a gentoo repository it's just a collection of ebuilds, metadata and changelogs, no bin packages. a note about the development: to commit ebuilds properly, automating the check of some rules and the writing of changelog, there's a script (sunrise-commit) wich relies on SVN (didn't look how can be adapted to CVS), so it may be better work on pd-overlay project separately, and sync to pd-cvs or wathever vc when doing point releases of pd/pd-ext (also useful for tracking external's versions) (I can add you as developer of pd-overlay, if you are intended to help testing, or fixing ebuilds, or using it as a build platform just give me your sf.net usernmae) about the gentoo version: latest is fine (should be 2006.1, or 2007.0) -- Federico ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Arduino stuff
hello, - is it possible to have multiple arduinos being talked with by one PD patch on one machine? Has anyone tried this? I connected three arduino boards in one PD patch, which had three [arduino] abstractions (by Hans) running at the same time, you just need to open connected serial line devices separately for each [arduino] abstraction object. This worked for me with PowerBook G4 OSX 10.4.9 and PD extended version by Hans. Cheers, Tim Koray. - M.Koray Tahiroglu Media Lab,UIAH http://mlab.uiah.fi/~korayt/ tel: +358 50 939 02 33 ( in Finland only) tel: +90 533 712 8245 ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Time-based audio recording and analysis
I'm interested in having a PD function which, when activated, records audio for a set amount of time (probably about 5 seconds), performs an analysis on that recorded audio, and then outputs the result. I'm specifically doing frequency analysis but can't imagine that would matter. Any suggestions on how to allow something to run for a specific amount of time would be appreciated. I've searched the list archives, and will continue to do so, but most of the time-based stuff I'm seeing is how to keep track of time rather than do something for a set length of time. Thanks for your help! -Jared ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released
Hi Hans, list, thanks for this extended RC 1! I like the new font... I've two small points: 1) gripd examples folder is missing (at least here), making the examples non working. I just put a previous version of the folder an put it in the /gripd directory and it's ok. 2) I tried it on Win, and the console fonts are kind of huge compared to previous versions.. seems like a font size 14... Is it wanted ? cheers, Alberto Zin http://puredata.org/Members/AlbertoZ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Arduino stuff
marius schebella wrote: Tim Boykett wrote: - is there a Max version of the Pduino interface stuff? yes, have a look at http://www.parasitaere-kapazitaeten.net/max_msp/pduino_for_max it is still beta (serial object is not working properly under windows.) There's an interim update of serial here, it's much faster: http://www.cycling74.com/twiki/pub/IncrementalDownloads/WebHome/serial061002W.zip Martin ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Time-based audio recording and analysis
On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:32:40 -0500 Jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..most of the time-based stuff I'm seeing is how to keep track of time rather than do something for a set length of time. Thanks for your help! -Jared These are equivillent, two ways of looking at the same thing. If you can track time you can conditionally do something for a measured amount of time. The easiest way is probably to use a delay [del] to schedule a future stop event. For example [del 6] will output a bang one minute after you put a bang into it. -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released // fonts
Frank Barknecht wrote: Also after seeing Chun's DD presentation at make art last week I fell in love with the Zoom feature of Desire Data: anyone know if there are archives of the presentations anywhere on the internets? i looked on the site but didn't see any. -josh If like me one is sight impaired when in front of a screen (yep, I'm aproaching 40), with current Pd it is necessary to change the font size, which, even with the Deja-font and pd-extended, will still break the layout of a patch. Instead of that, zooming into a patch would be a much better solution for handicapped users. Ciao -- tasty electronic music vittles -- bluevitriol.com the only music blog you need-- playtherecords.com you are the dj. interactive music -- improbableorchestra.com random observations of the bizarre -- vitriolix.com ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released
On Apr 16, 2007, at 3:53 AM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Apr 15, 2007, at 5:53 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Ah, okay. I was just encountering these kinds of overlapping comments in some other patches by other people as well so I was fearing, that it might an incompatibility with patches written using pd- extended and us old-school Courier folks. There are probably also incompatibilities in the patches. There definitely are size incompatibilities between the new font Pd- extended and other pd versions. So now there *are* size incompatibilities with Miller's Pd? I'm just asking to be prepared, I don't run the Pd from pd-extended, I prefer a plain MSP-Pd in the latest version. There are incompatibilities between different versions of Pd (0.38, 0.39, 0.40), and each of those versions different platforms (Windows, GNU/Linux and Mac OS X). This version is the same size to the pixel on each platform. There is, of course, no way that the new sizes could be compatible with all of variations. But I hope you'll agree that this is a better situation. Of course having Pd look the same on all platforms is a good goal, and Miller also supported this in the past. I'm not against solving this at all. But of course incompatibilities should be kept to a minimum, I hope you'll agree with that. (Besides the OS-issues, no versions of MSP-Pd that I've used, had size-incompatibilities when using the same font.) I might have been wrong about the version-to-version incompatibilities. I attached a patch that has the size differences that I have measured. Please fill in anything that you might have measured. courier10.pd Description: Binary data One thing that I did forget to mention is that the relationship between the font sizes between the iemguis and the object boxes is different on each platform. That is also fixed now, (i.e. 12 points is now the same size in iemguis/boxes on all platforms) That will of course, break the layout of a lot of patches. I'm just a bit worrind: Now that you've released new fonts into the (pd-extended) wild, there's an additional, new variable to consider with regard to compatibility when going further with font enhancements. The goal is to fix this problem with the least pain possible. That said, there will undoubtedly be some pain because the current situation is less than good. .hc Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released // fonts
On Apr 16, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote: I think that, since font sizes now differ between platforms, it's probably OK to introduce a new, uniform font size as long as it doesn't exceed that of any currently used one by more than about a pixel... and indeed, it will be a huge benefit to get this straightened out at last! Yep, definitely. I now had a real look at pd-extended. Some comments: The properties menu for IEMGUIs still explicitly specify names like Deja Sans ... or Helvetica. I think, it would be better to use more general names: Mono, Sans Serif and Serif. That way it would be easier to map the names to different font faces eventially or when -typeface X is used. Sounds like a good idea. It's a separate issue though, so I left that situation as is. One step at a time. You could submit a patch if you feel inspired... Then very much, even with Deja, I would prefer to have a bold typeface back. I find the non-bold fonts hard to read and for my tastes they are too similar in width to the object borders. Bitstream Vera/Deja at 8pt and 10pt is not so good. 11pt is much better, and 12pt is quite nice. Too bad the Lucida fonts aren't free, they look better IMHO. Btw: the number in number boxes is positioned a little bit to low, not in the center. Unfortunately, there is only one place to adjust the font placement. This is the best compromise that I could come up with. It would be great if people experimented with the positioning and perhaps other fonts to see if there is a better solution. _From a quick glance at pd.tk I still don't like, that the font face is hardcoded in many places. I'm tcl-illiterate, but it would be nice to have the fonts defined in just one place. One end goal IMO should be a system similar to the one in Desire Data: Here you can totally change the graphical appearance, from colors to fonts and beyond, by editing a GUI config file. With hardcoded font names everywhere this is porbably harder to realize. Indeed. I did some work towards that end, but there is much left to do. AFAIK, in order to do have all of the graphical stuff customizable and still have working cross-platform patch layout, the graphical information would have to be stored in the .pd file. It's currently not. Also after seeing Chun's DD presentation at make art last week I fell in love with the Zoom feature of Desire Data: If like me one is sight impaired when in front of a screen (yep, I'm aproaching 40), with current Pd it is necessary to change the font size, which, even with the Deja-font and pd-extended, will still break the layout of a patch. Instead of that, zooming into a patch would be a much better solution for handicapped users. Yes, it would be very nice to tk scaling support. .hc Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released
Yeah, there's a bug report on that. IIRC, it's just a fake warning that should be removed. .hc On Apr 15, 2007, at 11:28 AM, victor wrote: Thanks HansC. In Debian etch, after load pd from terminal: error: to function, this needs to be compiled against Pd 0.40 or higher, or a version that has sys_register_loader() libdir loader $Revision: 1.5 $ But Pd is working ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list kill your television ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Time-based audio recording and analysis
ohh cool, this answer is so simple, that i can actually help ;-) just kidding See the attached patch, i chope that helps bye Luigi timescheduler.pd Description: Binary data On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 14:32:40 -0500 Jared [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..most of the time-based stuff I'm seeing is how to keep track of time rather than do something for a set length of time. Thanks for your help! -Jared These are equivillent, two ways of looking at the same thing. If you can track time you can conditionally do something for a measured amount of time. The easiest way is probably to use a delay [del] to schedule a future stop event. For example [del 6] will output a bang one minute after you put a bang into it. -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released // fonts
On Apr 16, 2007, at 1:34 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Miller Puckette hat gesagt: // Miller Puckette wrote: I think that, since font sizes now differ between platforms, it's probably OK to introduce a new, uniform font size as long as it doesn't exceed that of any currently used one by more than about a pixel... and indeed, it will be a huge benefit to get this straightened out at last! Yep, definitely. I now had a real look at pd-extended. Some comments: The properties menu for IEMGUIs still explicitly specify names like Deja Sans ... or Helvetica. I think, it would be better to use more general names: Mono, Sans Serif and Serif. That way it would be easier to map the names to different font faces eventially or when -typeface X is used. Then very much, even with Deja, I would prefer to have a bold typeface back. I find the non-bold fonts hard to read and for my tastes they are too similar in width to the object borders. Btw: the number in number boxes is positioned a little bit to low, not in the center. I forgot to ask more questions about this. It's a significant change, but not one that I have not put considerable thought into. What font size to do use for your Pd patches? When you use fonts of this size in other apps, do you have it set to bold?. I thought about it and looked around, and I noticed that nobody that I saw uses bold fonts for text unless it's a header or special case. Even when reading code. Also, most people don't use 10pt fonts for normal reading. For example, the default font for web pages is usually 12pt or 16pt. I think that Pd's text is not really like reading a block of text, but maybe more like webpage menus. It seems those are mostly not in bold fonts also, but sometimes are. My first feeling when I saw the non-bold Pd was similar to your reaction: it seemed hard to read. I decided to try it for a while, since every other app I use does not use bold fonts. Now I am use to it and have a hard time reading the old bold Pd patches, especially compared to the new font at 12pt. One big annoyance is the tiny - in DejaVu. Arg... Anyone want to make a Pd font? .hc _From a quick glance at pd.tk I still don't like, that the font face is hardcoded in many places. I'm tcl-illiterate, but it would be nice to have the fonts defined in just one place. One end goal IMO should be a system similar to the one in Desire Data: Here you can totally change the graphical appearance, from colors to fonts and beyond, by editing a GUI config file. With hardcoded font names everywhere this is porbably harder to realize. Also after seeing Chun's DD presentation at make art last week I fell in love with the Zoom feature of Desire Data: If like me one is sight impaired when in front of a screen (yep, I'm aproaching 40), with current Pd it is necessary to change the font size, which, even with the Deja-font and pd-extended, will still break the layout of a patch. Instead of that, zooming into a patch would be a much better solution for handicapped users. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Mistrust authority - promote decentralization. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Arduino stuff
On Apr 16, 2007, at 2:18 PM, marius schebella wrote: Tim Boykett wrote: - is it possible to have multiple arduinos being talked with by one PD patch on one machine? Has anyone tried this? pd talks to the arduino via the comport object. if you have several arduinos attached, then you want to give each instance of the arduino object the corrating portnumber. In case it's not clear, like this: [arduino 1] [arduino 2] [arduino 5] The numbers depend on your computer, of course. Send a 'devices' message to get the numbering: [devices( | [arduino] .hc - is there a Max version of the Pduino interface stuff? yes, have a look at http://www.parasitaere-kapazitaeten.net/max_msp/pduino_for_max it is still beta (serial object is not working properly under windows.) - Bluetooth Arduino: any luck on linux or OSX so far? Last I heard there were problems... hmm, should not be a problem on OSX, where or what did you here about it? because I also want to get some bt arduinos. I've heard they work with Pduino with some minor caveats. .hc marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released
Please files bugs in the tracker, then I'll check them out when I get a moment. .hc On Apr 16, 2007, at 3:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Hans, list, thanks for this extended RC 1! I like the new font... I've two small points: 1) gripd examples folder is missing (at least here), making the examples non working. I just put a previous version of the folder an put it in the /gripd directory and it's ok. 2) I tried it on Win, and the console fonts are kind of huge compared to previous versions.. seems like a font size 14... Is it wanted ? cheers, Alberto Zin http://puredata.org/Members/AlbertoZ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list http://at.or.at/hans/ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released // fonts
Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I forgot to ask more questions about this. It's a significant change, but not one that I have not put considerable thought into. What font size to do use for your Pd patches? When you use fonts of this size in other apps, do you have it set to bold?. I thought about it and looked around, and I noticed that nobody that I saw uses bold fonts for text unless it's a header or special case. I use bold in every text editor and terminal I use, which is, where I use mono fonts. Normally I use Lucida Sans Mono Bold or set Bitstream Vera Sans Mono Bold. I think, in general it's best to let people choose, however it's not possible to use -typeface or -font to switch between bold and normal. Even when reading code. Also, most people don't use 10pt fonts for normal reading. For example, the default font for web pages is usually 12pt or 16pt. It's because web people optimize for Windows! Windows still has a default DPI setting of 75 IIRC which is really old school on most modern screens. On my current machine I have a DPI of 90x89, which results in Windows websites having a very small font. With small 12 laptops and high resolutions the DPI settings get even more confusing for web and GUI designers. In the long run, zooming/scaling is the only solution that could make everyone happy. I think that Pd's text is not really like reading a block of text, but maybe more like webpage menus. It seems those are mostly not in bold fonts also, but sometimes are. Menu styling is a fashion thing, which will change every year. On the site I manage (www.dradio.de) our designer made every menu bold, teh NY Times has no bold menu at all. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released // fonts
Hallo, Josh Steiner hat gesagt: // Josh Steiner wrote: Frank Barknecht wrote: Also after seeing Chun's DD presentation at make art last week I fell in love with the Zoom feature of Desire Data: anyone know if there are archives of the presentations anywhere on the internets? i looked on the site but didn't see any. We're not yet ready, but it's planned. Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Question on RTC
Hallo,
Mike McGonagle hat gesagt: // Mike McGonagle wrote:
I was working with some of the RTC stuff over the weekend and I had a
question about the abstraction 'xrandom'. While I understand that you
were probably basing this on the 'xrandom' from the Max version of
this, I would think that as is, 'xrandom' is a little different from
similar objects.
As this is based on the 'urne' abstraction, and it seems to follow the
same premise as the 'textfile' and 'qlist' objects, I would think that
'xrandom' would do this as well.
Basically, the difference that I see is that each of these other
objects ('urne', 'textfile', etc.), all produce an output on the left
as long as there is more to output, and bangs on the right outlet
after the list is done, and does NOT output anything on the right.
'xrandom', on the other hand, DOES produce an output on the LEFT at
the same time it is outputting a bang on the right to indicate that
the list of objects is complete.
This is true, however the bang on the right outlet is sent before the
new number is sent to the left outlet (right-to-left ordering as in
[trigger float bang]. I based [xrandom] on the RTC-Max object, where
every bang will produce a number without any breaks in between.
So, is what I am describing better done using other means? Is
'xrandom' expected to be used as a bang as much as you want type of
abstraction? Is this behaviour based on the RTC/Max version?
Yes, it's that kind of object in the Max version of RTC:
Outputs random numbers int that are never repeated unless all
numbers have been generated (series-principle).
The right outlet's bang is more a convenience outlet, not like the one
in [textfile].
If you don't what the new value directly after all number have been
generated, you should probably use [urne] directly where you just send
[clear( from the right outlet, but no bang automatically.
Ciao
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[PD] gate's problem
good morning, I have some problems with gate. when I open saved patch the with gate's objet I ha the message couldn't create but if I rename the object it is create. Somebody have suggestions to solve this? Thanks Isabel ___ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Test Audio: just trying to hear anything
Hi, im trying to hear anything with the Test Audio, but i cant get it... Maybe i should read something first but i dont find too many things about the Test audio... _ Descarga gratis la Barra de Herramientas de MSN http://www.msn.es/usuario/busqueda/barra?XAPID=2031DI=1055SU=http%3A//www.hotmail.comHL=LINKTAG1OPENINGTEXT_MSNBH ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Test Audio: just trying to hear anything
Checklist: Other audio apps work fine? Speakers, cables, amplifier, soundcard, mixer (in that order)? Is one of the audio driver boxes (ALSA, JACK, OSS, ASIO etc) on the media menu checked? Configure your audio drivers, start Jack etc Can you get a visual indication of an audio signal (eg meterbridge) ? On Tue, 17 Apr 2007 00:19:03 +0200 Javier García [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, im trying to hear anything with the Test Audio, but i cant get it... Maybe i should read something first but i dont find too many things about the Test audio... _ Descarga gratis la Barra de Herramientas de MSN http://www.msn.es/usuario/busqueda/barra?XAPID=2031DI=1055SU=http%3A//www.hotmail.comHL=LINKTAG1OPENINGTEXT_MSNBH ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] gate's problem
Begin forwarded message: Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 12:21:21 +0100 From: Andy Farnell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [PD] gate's problem On Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:52:04 -0400 (EDT) Isabel Pires [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: good morning, I have some problems with gate. when I open saved patch the with gate's objet I ha the message couldn't create but if I rename the object it is create. rename it to [iemlib/gate] and it should always load ok Why does this happen? Does the above advice always work. I don't understand the reason but assume it's a path search/search order issue. Andy -- Use the source -- Use the source ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM: animations
One trick I found from rigging models in gem, is to create a small sphere at the location of the pivot and then parent the geometry into that. Then if you rotate the sphere it is rotate its child geos. For the helicopter blade you don't need to do this, as long as the pivot is in the center of the blade and not the tip. But for an a leg or arm the proxy geo-pivot can be very useful for creating animate-able hierarchies. for the alias face, you probably want to use blend shapes for any complicated type of facial animation. You could do some basic things with animating eyes, eye-brows, and lips. Now you know why they use video clips in video-games, to show character detail between levels. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Arduino stuff
Hi, You might want to consider the http://www.arduino.cc/playground/Code/SimpleMessageSystem if you want something (more?) flexible. a 2007/4/16, Hans-Christoph Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Apr 16, 2007, at 2:18 PM, marius schebella wrote: Tim Boykett wrote: - is it possible to have multiple arduinos being talked with by one PD patch on one machine? Has anyone tried this? pd talks to the arduino via the comport object. if you have several arduinos attached, then you want to give each instance of the arduino object the corrating portnumber. In case it's not clear, like this: [arduino 1] [arduino 2] [arduino 5] The numbers depend on your computer, of course. Send a 'devices' message to get the numbering: [devices( | [arduino] .hc - is there a Max version of the Pduino interface stuff? yes, have a look at http://www.parasitaere-kapazitaeten.net/max_msp/pduino_for_max it is still beta (serial object is not working properly under windows.) - Bluetooth Arduino: any luck on linux or OSX so far? Last I heard there were problems... hmm, should not be a problem on OSX, where or what did you here about it? because I also want to get some bt arduinos. I've heard they work with Pduino with some minor caveats. .hc marius. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Alexandre Quessy http://alexandre.quessy.net http://www.puredata.info/Members/aalex ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] ODE external ?
Hi ! I wonder if there is somewhere an external that wraps the Open Dynamic Engine ? http://www.ode.org/ is a library for physical simulation. Cheers, -- Alexandre Quessy http://alexandre.quessy.net http://www.puredata.info/Members/aalex ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Question on RTC
Thanks, Frank. I kind of figured that this was to mimic the Max version.
Mike McG
On 4/16/07, Frank Barknecht [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hallo,
Mike McGonagle hat gesagt: // Mike McGonagle wrote:
I was working with some of the RTC stuff over the weekend and I had a
question about the abstraction 'xrandom'. While I understand that you
were probably basing this on the 'xrandom' from the Max version of
this, I would think that as is, 'xrandom' is a little different from
similar objects.
As this is based on the 'urne' abstraction, and it seems to follow the
same premise as the 'textfile' and 'qlist' objects, I would think that
'xrandom' would do this as well.
Basically, the difference that I see is that each of these other
objects ('urne', 'textfile', etc.), all produce an output on the left
as long as there is more to output, and bangs on the right outlet
after the list is done, and does NOT output anything on the right.
'xrandom', on the other hand, DOES produce an output on the LEFT at
the same time it is outputting a bang on the right to indicate that
the list of objects is complete.
This is true, however the bang on the right outlet is sent before the
new number is sent to the left outlet (right-to-left ordering as in
[trigger float bang]. I based [xrandom] on the RTC-Max object, where
every bang will produce a number without any breaks in between.
So, is what I am describing better done using other means? Is
'xrandom' expected to be used as a bang as much as you want type of
abstraction? Is this behaviour based on the RTC/Max version?
Yes, it's that kind of object in the Max version of RTC:
Outputs random numbers int that are never repeated unless all
numbers have been generated (series-principle).
The right outlet's bang is more a convenience outlet, not like the one
in [textfile].
If you don't what the new value directly after all number have been
generated, you should probably use [urne] directly where you just send
[clear( from the right outlet, but no bang automatically.
Ciao
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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released // fonts
On Apr 16, 2007, at 5:40 PM, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hallo, Hans-Christoph Steiner hat gesagt: // Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: I forgot to ask more questions about this. It's a significant change, but not one that I have not put considerable thought into. What font size to do use for your Pd patches? When you use fonts of this size in other apps, do you have it set to bold?. I thought about it and looked around, and I noticed that nobody that I saw uses bold fonts for text unless it's a header or special case. I use bold in every text editor and terminal I use, which is, where I use mono fonts. Normally I use Lucida Sans Mono Bold or set Bitstream Vera Sans Mono Bold. I think, in general it's best to let people choose, however it's not possible to use -typeface or -font to switch between bold and normal. Even when reading code. Also, most people don't use 10pt fonts for normal reading. For example, the default font for web pages is usually 12pt or 16pt. It's because web people optimize for Windows! Windows still has a default DPI setting of 75 IIRC which is really old school on most modern screens. On my current machine I have a DPI of 90x89, which results in Windows websites having a very small font. With small 12 laptops and high resolutions the DPI settings get even more confusing for web and GUI designers. In the long run, zooming/scaling is the only solution that could make everyone happy. I think that Pd's text is not really like reading a block of text, but maybe more like webpage menus. It seems those are mostly not in bold fonts also, but sometimes are. Menu styling is a fashion thing, which will change every year. On the site I manage (www.dradio.de) our designer made every menu bold, teh NY Times has no bold menu at all. Ideally, Pd would support custom fonts and scaling, but currently it does not. That means right now, one font needs to be the default. I just tested on Windows. Apparently I lied somewhat, it's a bit better, but still whacked. I guess I still need to do more work... what a PITA... apparently, Windows needs tk scaling 1 to be the same size as the other platforms. There must be something strange going on it that because setting tk scaling 1 on Windows makes everything look good except the menu fonts are tiny. .hc Ciao -- Frank Barknecht _ __footils.org_ __goto10.org__ ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/ listinfo/pd-list I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-0.39.2-extended-rc1 released // fonts
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 07:34:29PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Also after seeing Chun's DD presentation at make art last week I fell in love with the Zoom feature of Desire Data: If like me one is Ohhh, I really want to see that! Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] KnobsAndSlidersAndTogglesDS
On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 07:37:58PM +0200, Frank Barknecht wrote: Cool!! I'll check this out later. btw: The name KnobsAndSlidersAndTogglesDS may grow even longer with ever new GUI element: KnobsAndSlidersAndTogglesAndXYPlaneAndBreathAndMicDS ... What about stopping this now and use an akronym like KATS-DS for _K_nobs_A_nd_T_ogglesAnd_S_liders-DS ;) Heheh, KatsDS is pretty good. That mic/breath idea is great! Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] GEM 64-bit Linux
Has anyone here built GEM for a 64-bit Linux box? The configure script isn't finding opengl for some reason [though I have built other opengl apps] i do get this line when i run configure: checking host system type... Invalid configuration `x86_64-pc-linux-gnu': machine `x86_64-pc' not recognized any suggestions? btw, I'm on an AMD64 running ubuntu edgy. Thanks, Alex Norman ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM: animations
I am interested in this 'parent geometry.' Is it by using separator? ~Kyle On 4/16/07, Cypod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One trick I found from rigging models in gem, is to create a small sphere at the location of the pivot and then parent the geometry into that. Then if you rotate the sphere it is rotate its child geos. For the helicopter blade you don't need to do this, as long as the pivot is in the center of the blade and not the tip. But for an a leg or arm the proxy geo-pivot can be very useful for creating animate-able hierarchies. for the alias face, you probably want to use blend shapes for any complicated type of facial animation. You could do some basic things with animating eyes, eye-brows, and lips. Now you know why they use video clips in video-games, to show character detail between levels. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (()()()(()))()()())( (())(())()((( ))(__ _())(()))___ (((000)))oOO ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM: animations
Ok, that was a dumb question, after looking at separator. But it raises some questions for me: is the best way to position multi-geo unit, say of a sphere being orbited by smaller spheres, best accomplished by using a lot of additions, or is there a way to chain translate objects? I mean that I am trying to move the entire ensemble, of say 5 objects, while keeping their relative positions in tact. ~Kyle On 4/16/07, Kyle Klipowicz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am interested in this 'parent geometry.' Is it by using separator? ~Kyle On 4/16/07, Cypod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One trick I found from rigging models in gem, is to create a small sphere at the location of the pivot and then parent the geometry into that. Then if you rotate the sphere it is rotate its child geos. For the helicopter blade you don't need to do this, as long as the pivot is in the center of the blade and not the tip. But for an a leg or arm the proxy geo-pivot can be very useful for creating animate-able hierarchies. for the alias face, you probably want to use blend shapes for any complicated type of facial animation. You could do some basic things with animating eyes, eye-brows, and lips. Now you know why they use video clips in video-games, to show character detail between levels. ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (()()()(()))()()())( (())(())()((( ))(__ _())(()))___ (((000)))oOO -- http://theradioproject.com http://perhapsidid.blogspot.com (()()()(()))()()())( (())(())()((( ))(__ _())(()))___ (((000)))oOO ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] font size survey - please try it on your machine!
Just to know what we are up against with the font size problem, I have started a patch to document all the key parts. Please try it on your machine to see if my measurements are correct. Also, please fill in any that you are running. font_sizes.pd Description: Binary data Just post the results to the list, or if you have CVS commit access, you can check it in to doc/font_sizes.pd. .hc You can't steal a gift. Bird gave the world his music, and if you can hear it, you can have it. - Dizzy Gillespie ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
