[PD] Issue with Gaussian Noise
Hi, I made two generators for Gaussian white noise, one using DSP, the other as message based version. Both use the same algorithm, but the histogram analysis of both shows a defect with the message version: The histogram has a visible valley around the central expectation value, so it doesn't look like a real gaussian bell curve anymore. The message version is based on [random] not [noise~], and I faked a true frand by taking and scaling random values from the range 0-10. Could this be the reason for the valleys or is the reason the custom algorithm [random] uses or is it, that two [random]s are not sufficiently independent? Ciao -- Frank #N canvas 96 55 817 467 10; #X floatatom 81 182 5 0 0 0 - - -; #N canvas 484 63 422 413 histogram-view 0; #X obj 119 119 int; #X obj 119 181 t f f; #X obj 119 203 tabread \$0-histo; #X obj 119 323 tabwrite \$0-histo; #X obj 119 64 * 1; #X obj 119 86 + 1; #X obj 119 245 + 0.05; #X obj 119 24 inlet; #X obj 119 272 clip 0 1; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 1 1 3 1; #X connect 2 0 6 0; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 5 0 0 0; #X connect 6 0 8 0; #X connect 7 0 4 0; #X connect 8 0 3 0; #X restore 249 235 pd histogram-view; #N canvas 0 0 450 300 (subpatch) 0; #X array \$0-histo 2 float 0; #X coords 0 1 1 0 200 140 1; #X restore 465 177 graph; #X msg 81 118 bang; #X obj 307 117 s \$0-histo; #X obj 249 150 until; #X obj 249 127 max; #X msg 307 94 const 0; #X obj 249 178 gaussian-random 0 0.01; #X msg 249 94 1; #X msg 212 45 seed1 12 \, seed2 192313; #X obj 81 145 gaussian-random; #X connect 3 0 11 0; #X connect 5 0 8 0; #X connect 6 0 5 0; #X connect 7 0 4 0; #X connect 8 0 1 0; #X connect 9 0 6 0; #X connect 10 0 8 0; #X connect 11 0 0 0; #N canvas 309 24 864 609 10; #X text 337 37 Simplified Box-Muller method as described on: http://www.dspguru.com/dsp/howtos/how-to-generate-white-gaussian-noise ; #X text 53 143 V1; #X text 211 143 V2; #X text 136 212 S; #X text 84 482 X; #X obj 320 176 inlet; #X text 325 152 variance; #X obj 108 384 sqrt; #X obj 266 178 inlet; #X text 270 153 mean; #X obj 318 210 loadbang; #X obj 318 263 select 0; #X msg 318 291 1; #X obj 318 239 f \$2; #X obj 82 144 t f f f; #X obj 146 144 t f f; #X obj 135 178 *; #X obj 101 178 *; #X obj 101 210 +; #X obj 102 237 log; #X obj 102 264 /; #X obj 102 291 * -2; #X obj 102 318 sqrt; #X obj 83 354 *; #X obj 83 409 * 1; #X obj 83 433 + \$1; #X obj 83 458 outlet; #X obj 82 77 t b b; #X obj 82 48 route bang seed1 seed2; #X msg 134 74 seed \$1; #X msg 205 76 seed \$1; #X obj 82 18 inlet; #N canvas 0 0 645 530 frand 0; #X obj 119 183 outlet; #X obj 119 41 inlet; #X obj 119 105 random 1e+06; #X obj 119 151 / 1e+06; #X obj 119 128 - 50; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 4 0; #X connect 3 0 0 0; #X connect 4 0 3 0; #X restore 146 111 pd frand; #N canvas 0 0 645 530 frand 0; #X obj 119 183 outlet; #X obj 119 41 inlet; #X obj 119 105 random 1e+06; #X obj 119 151 / 1e+06; #X obj 119 128 - 50; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 4 0; #X connect 3 0 0 0; #X connect 4 0 3 0; #X restore 82 112 pd frand; #X connect 5 0 7 0; #X connect 7 0 24 1; #X connect 8 0 25 1; #X connect 10 0 13 0; #X connect 11 0 12 0; #X connect 11 1 7 0; #X connect 12 0 7 0; #X connect 13 0 11 0; #X connect 14 0 23 0; #X connect 14 1 17 0; #X connect 14 2 17 1; #X connect 15 0 16 0; #X connect 15 1 16 1; #X connect 16 0 18 1; #X connect 17 0 18 0; #X connect 18 0 19 0; #X connect 18 0 20 1; #X connect 19 0 20 0; #X connect 20 0 21 0; #X connect 21 0 22 0; #X connect 22 0 23 1; #X connect 23 0 24 0; #X connect 24 0 25 0; #X connect 25 0 26 0; #X connect 27 0 33 0; #X connect 27 1 32 0; #X connect 28 0 27 0; #X connect 28 1 29 0; #X connect 28 2 30 0; #X connect 29 0 33 0; #X connect 30 0 32 0; #X connect 31 0 28 0; #X connect 32 0 15 0; #X connect 33 0 14 0; #N canvas 426 51 797 591 10; #N canvas 0 0 450 300 (subpatch) 0; #X array \$0-gaussian 2 float 2; #X coords 0 1 2 -1 200 140 1; #X restore 355 158 graph; #X obj 79 189 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #X floatatom 162 70 5 0 500 1 variance - -; #X obj 162 89 / 100; #X obj 217 116 tgl 15 0 empty empty switch 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 1; #X floatatom 108 32 5 0 0 1 mean - -; #X obj 108 51 / 100; #X obj 107 216 tabwrite~ \$0-gaussian; #X text 254 15 Gaussian White Noise; #X obj 230 141 bng 15 250 50 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1; #N canvas 484 63 814 486 histogram-view 0; #N canvas 0 0 450 300 countto 0; #X obj 99 58 inlet; #X obj 99 177 f 0; #X obj 127 177 + 1; #X msg 142 143 0; #X obj 99 208 outlet; #X obj 99 142 until; #X obj 99 117 t a b; #X obj 99 96 max; #X connect 0 0 7 0; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 1 0 4 0; #X connect 2 0 1 1; #X connect 3 0 1 1; #X connect 5 0 1 0; #X connect 6 0 5 0; #X connect 6 1 3 0; #X connect 7 0 6 0; #X restore 119 117 pd countto; #X obj 119 162 tabread \$0-gaussian; #X obj 119 249 int; #X obj 119 271 t f f; #X obj 119 293 tabread \$0-histo; #X obj 119 383 tabwrite
Re: [PD] PdCon 2011?
Hey ...great idea! i'll vote for London :) myself can help with a few things and there will be plenty of people around here who can join the local crew! On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 05:42:03PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: hey all, I just had an inspiring two weeks at DebConf (Debian Conference) here in NYC. Its really an impressive crew of people, and now we are on the fast track to getting lots of Pd libraries into Debian and therefore Ubuntu, LinuxMint, Knoppix, etc. So on that note, it got me thinking of the joy that is PdCon! There were two cities that I remember in the running to host the next PdCon: London and Weimar. Any word on that? I'm happy to help where I can. .hc ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] detect character in a symbol?
I've looked into this. I see two problems: - this would be for the famous patch that I'm sending around. Since it's for non-pd users, I should limit myself to pd-ext objects - or I would have to ship gridflow with it, which might not be legal (don't know), but anyway isn't practical. - I couldn't understand how to go from x/y (x and y being any natural numbers) to any other string format that I could use with [sel]. as I understood, string replace doesn't take spaces or expressions like a as parameter. In the cases I'm thinking of, the character to be detected is always in the middle. For now I'm using charaters / and :, like 7/8 or 1:13. Joao On Sat, 7 Aug 2010, João Pais wrote: a quick question: I wanted to detect a character in a symbol, in order to route that symbol in a different way. Afaik, there is no object that does that, so the only way would be to decompose the symbol in ascii values, and then detect it. you can use [gf/string_replace] to replace one character by any other and then you use [sel] to see whether you get a different symbol. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801 -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] detect character in a symbol?
Hmm, I couldn't find this. Basically I want a way to detect the difference between symbols like 4/8 and 4:8. for now, maybe other characters will come in later. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 08/07/2010 11:30 PM, João Pais wrote: Hi, a quick question: I wanted to detect a character in a symbol, in order to route that symbol in a different way. Afaik, there is no object that does that, [routeOSC] can basically do that, since it supports wildcard matching. the only limitation is, that the message's selector has to start with a /, but that can quite easily be done in vanilla Pd. fgamsdr IOhannes -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAkxfBUEACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvSPPQCfW6aYBkbPAy59rDTIJjKo24Uc EiMAn27sf5Crq3znFwkNbn4wXSQAFuIA =UvpT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
i think apple does use a licence that is not compatible with pdX gpl licence, but it is compatible with pd bsd licence. so the problem comes from apple licence. it's not technical, but politics and commercial. c Le 10/08/2010 12:07, João Pais a écrit : but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
On 08/10/2010 12:07 PM, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? I'd suppose everything that a mouse pointer can do, or is there a way to access the keyboard from any application? mfg, P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
Hi, On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07:55AM +0100, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? As Cyrille wrote, it's mostly a political issue: AppStore apps are tied to the device and officially only available through the AppStore. This is some kind of DRM and many people don't consider it compatible with the GPL, at least not with the latest version. To play it safe, the Pd in RjDj only contains the BSD parts of Pd, no [expr] etc. Some GPL stuff is included, like the rj library, but that's all written by Reality Jockey. You cannot load your own externals because Apple disabled dynamic loading on a OS level. Nevertheless it's possible to do amazing things just with vanilla, expr-less Pd, as far as sound is concerned. The rj library has been designed to offer many ready-made vanilla solutions to common musical needs. It's possible to do kick-ass music just with vanilla, as all the recordings on rjdj.me prove, or just watch this video by Osaka techno act RYUKYUDISKO having fun with the Rj Voyager (which offers an auto-generated GUI for Pd patches): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3bx9cXwhog8 (Yes, it *is* Pd vanilla making that sound.) Ciao -- Frank ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdCon 2011?
Hey, last thing we talk with Ryan and Ed was to organize it in London... right? husk On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey ...great idea! i'll vote for London :) myself can help with a few things and there will be plenty of people around here who can join the local crew! On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 05:42:03PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: hey all, I just had an inspiring two weeks at DebConf (Debian Conference) here in NYC. Its really an impressive crew of people, and now we are on the fast track to getting lots of Pd libraries into Debian and therefore Ubuntu, LinuxMint, Knoppix, etc. So on that note, it got me thinking of the joy that is PdCon! There were two cities that I remember in the running to host the next PdCon: London and Weimar. Any word on that? I'm happy to help where I can. .hc ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- when Art become pratical we call it technology. When Technology become useless we call it Art www.estereotips.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdCon 2011?
yeah, i've mentioned it to marco and some other people too about doing it in london. i've also been speaking with a couple of people who may be able to help with the funding side of it. so, london? ryan. Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:26:13 +0200 From: hus...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] PdCon 2011? Hey,last thing we talk with Ryan and Ed was to organize it in London...right?husk On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey ...great idea! i'll vote for London :) myself can help with a few things and there will be plenty of people around here who can join the local crew! On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 05:42:03PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: hey all, I just had an inspiring two weeks at DebConf (Debian Conference) here in NYC. Its really an impressive crew of people, and now we are on the fast track to getting lots of Pd libraries into Debian and therefore Ubuntu, LinuxMint, Knoppix, etc. So on that note, it got me thinking of the joy that is PdCon! There were two cities that I remember in the running to host the next PdCon: London and Weimar. Any word on that? I'm happy to help where I can. .hc ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- when Art become pratical we call it technology. When Technology become useless we call it Art www.estereotips.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdCon 2011?
Hi All, I'll put myself down to help in any way I can, I'm a graphic/web designer by trade, so websites, emailers, flyers and programmes I can do if needs be, plus I have a few contacts in the print industry. Matt H www.hda1.co.uk On 10 August 2010 13:13, Ryan Jordan ryan-jor...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: yeah, i've mentioned it to marco and some other people too about doing it in london. i've also been speaking with a couple of people who may be able to help with the funding side of it. so, london? ryan. http://myob.to/zpenergy/noise=noise.html -- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:26:13 +0200 From: hus...@gmail.com To: pd-list@iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] PdCon 2011? Hey, last thing we talk with Ryan and Ed was to organize it in London... right? husk On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, errordevelo...@gmail.com wrote: Hey ...great idea! i'll vote for London :) myself can help with a few things and there will be plenty of people around here who can join the local crew! On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 05:42:03PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: hey all, I just had an inspiring two weeks at DebConf (Debian Conference) here in NYC. Its really an impressive crew of people, and now we are on the fast track to getting lots of Pd libraries into Debian and therefore Ubuntu, LinuxMint, Knoppix, etc. So on that note, it got me thinking of the joy that is PdCon! There were two cities that I remember in the running to host the next PdCon: London and Weimar. Any word on that? I'm happy to help where I can. .hc ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- when Art become pratical we call it technology. When Technology become useless we call it Art www.estereotips.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdCon 2011?
Another vote for London. I'd love to be involved with this. I'm in Brighton but would love to help out. Philip On 10 August 2010 13:13, Ryan Jordan ryan-jordan at hotmail.co.uk wrote: yeah, i've mentioned it to marco and some other people too about doing it in london. i've also been speaking with a couple of people who may be able to help with the funding side of it. so, london? ryan. http://myob.to/zpenergy/noise=noise.html -- Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 13:26:13 +0200 From: husk00 at gmail.com To: pd-list at iem.at Subject: Re: [PD] PdCon 2011? Hey, last thing we talk with Ryan and Ed was to organize it in London... right? husk On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 12:01 PM, errordeveloper at gmail.com wrote: Hey ...great idea! i'll vote for London :) myself can help with a few things and there will be plenty of people around here who can join the local crew! On Mon, Aug 09, 2010 at 05:42:03PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: hey all, I just had an inspiring two weeks at DebConf (Debian Conference) here in NYC. Its really an impressive crew of people, and now we are on the fast track to getting lots of Pd libraries into Debian and therefore Ubuntu, LinuxMint, Knoppix, etc. So on that note, it got me thinking of the joy that is PdCon! There were two cities that I remember in the running to host the next PdCon: London and Weimar. Any word on that? I'm happy to help where I can. .hc ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list at iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list at iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- when Art become pratical we call it technology. When Technology become useless we call it Art www.estereotips.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] detect character in a symbol?
Don't know if it is what you are looking for. ++ Jack Le mardi 10 août 2010 à 11:07 +0100, João Pais a écrit : I've looked into this. I see two problems: - this would be for the famous patch that I'm sending around. Since it's for non-pd users, I should limit myself to pd-ext objects - or I would have to ship gridflow with it, which might not be legal (don't know), but anyway isn't practical. - I couldn't understand how to go from x/y (x and y being any natural numbers) to any other string format that I could use with [sel]. as I understood, string replace doesn't take spaces or expressions like a as parameter. In the cases I'm thinking of, the character to be detected is always in the middle. For now I'm using charaters / and :, like 7/8 or 1:13. Joao On Sat, 7 Aug 2010, João Pais wrote: a quick question: I wanted to detect a character in a symbol, in order to route that symbol in a different way. Afaik, there is no object that does that, so the only way would be to decompose the symbol in ascii values, and then detect it. you can use [gf/string_replace] to replace one character by any other and then you use [sel] to see whether you get a different symbol. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801 testDiff.pd Description: application/extension-pd ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [FM Discuss] Portuguese translation of the PD manual
The FLOSS Manual gets discussed on the Discuss-FM list and on the Pd list. I've posted several updates on what could be done to improve the English manual on both lists in the last few years, which don't seem to get much attention... Mostly people edit it in a hit-and-run kind of fashion when they find something they think needs fixing while reading it. Major pushes towards improvements happen during book sprints, but we have none planned. My own life and work has taken me pretty far from the project myself at the moment, so I stay on mainly as admin. Like HC said, and I echoed, don't wait around for the English manual to be finished. It's not likely to happen any time soon. Start translating, and if you find problems or places where it is incomplete, then fill the gaps in Portuguese or even in English if you like. If you add content in Portuguese, point it out to us on these two lists and perhaps someone will translate it into English. Best! Derek On 8/10/10 12:54 AM, Gabi Thumé wrote: I am really interested to contribute to the Portuguese version, BTW I think that the English version also need help to be finished. But I don't know how I can contribute with. I know that all of you are making effort to this Manual, but I think the community that wants to learn PD here in Brazil needs a translation. But I wish to help you with the English version too. So, how can I help the English version? Which version may I translate to Portuguese? The last one of each chapter? How to know the state of the English version? Is there another mail list of the guys doing that? Sorry about all of my questions. Thanks. -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 104: Listen in total darkness, or in a very large room, very quietly ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is autobuild.puredata.info down?
Hi.. I can see that it is still down.. Is there another place where I could download the 0.42.5-RC4 for OSX (intel)? thanks josé Em 09/08/10 14:41, Hans-Christoph Steiner escreveu: Yes... sorry, don't know why yet. .hc On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:30 PM, josepadovani wrote: is autobuild.puredata.info down or is it only here? josé -- http://zepadovani.info ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdCon 2011?
Yes, we talked about it with Ryan a week ago and I'm definitely up for it. I was wondering whether Max has any news about Weimar? M yeah, i've mentioned it to marco and some other people too about doing it in london. i've also been speaking with a couple of people who may be able to help with the funding side of it. so, london? ryan. -- Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher - Edinburgh, UK PORTFOLIO: http://marcodonnarumma.com LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdCon 2011?
Hi Hans List, I am currently still exploring the funding possibilities which seem to be difficult to say the least. Also I need certainty if my contract here gets renewed, that will happen in the next days. Thursday I will receive news abut who will be my future colleague at the Music Academy - hopefully someone who is in the community because that person will be essential for organizing a good convention in collaboration with the Academy (I have posted the job offer to this list). By the way 2011 is Liszt year (200th birthday of Franz Liszt). I'm posting the current state of affairs here: http://web.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Pure_Data_convention_2011 Consensus in São Paulo was that whoever secures funding first can do it. How is the funding in London going? All the best, Max Am 09.08.2010 um 23:42 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner: hey all, I just had an inspiring two weeks at DebConf (Debian Conference) here in NYC. Its really an impressive crew of people, and now we are on the fast track to getting lots of Pd libraries into Debian and therefore Ubuntu, LinuxMint, Knoppix, etc. So on that note, it got me thinking of the joy that is PdCon! There were two cities that I remember in the running to host the next PdCon: London and Weimar. Any word on that? I'm happy to help where I can. .hc ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdCon 2011?
http://web.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Pure_Data_convention_2011 ah, great. as soon as i posted the link the server went down. called to the IT guys at the server room and “the blade server is down” they have no idea what it could be. suggested i go home early today. m. PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is autobuild.puredata.info down?
Its back. There was a building-wide power outage. .hc On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yes... sorry, don't know why yet. .hc On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:30 PM, josepadovani wrote: is autobuild.puredata.info down or is it only here? josé -- http://zepadovani.info ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list [W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity.-John Gilmore Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] is autobuild.puredata.info down?
Thanks! Em 10/08/10 11:13, Hans-Christoph Steiner escreveu: Its back. There was a building-wide power outage. .hc On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:41 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Yes... sorry, don't know why yet. .hc On Aug 9, 2010, at 1:30 PM, josepadovani wrote: is autobuild.puredata.info down or is it only here? josé -- http://zepadovani.info -- http://zepadovani.info ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdCon 2011?
Yes, London in Eds House... hehehehewould be a wonderful opportunity to share and display our works... Best regards José 2010/8/9 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at hey all, I just had an inspiring two weeks at DebConf (Debian Conference) here in NYC. Its really an impressive crew of people, and now we are on the fast track to getting lots of Pd libraries into Debian and therefore Ubuntu, LinuxMint, Knoppix, etc. So on that note, it got me thinking of the joy that is PdCon! There were two cities that I remember in the running to host the next PdCon: London and Weimar. Any word on that? I'm happy to help where I can. .hc ¡El pueblo unido jamás será vencido! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdCon 2011?
Am 10.08.2010 um 16:06 schrieb Max: http://web.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Pure_Data_convention_2011 ah, great. as soon as i posted the link the server went down. called to the IT guys at the server room and “the blade server is down” they have no idea what it could be. suggested i go home early today. seems they have fixed it now. PGP.sig Description: Signierter Teil der Nachricht ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Pduino with the Arduino Mega
Paul Stoffregen has been doing a lot of work on Firmata to support the Arduino Mega, give it a test with Pduino: Begin forwarded message: From: Paul Stoffregen p...@pjrc.com Date: August 5, 2010 4:22:33 PM EDT To: firmata-devel firmata-de...@lists.sourceforge.net Subject: [Firmata-devel] Arduino Mega update User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.24 (X11/20100623) I did quite a bit more testing with Firmata on Arduino Mega today. I found (and fixed) a bug, where input mode could interfere with PWM in some cases. I spent quite a while fiddling with a modified Pduino (modified to support more pins), and my firmata_test program, and things seem to be working quite well but I can't anticipate every possible scenario! Please if you have an Arduino Mega, give the latest code a try. It's in svn, or you can download a copy with this link: http://www.pjrc.com/teensy/firmata_test/firmata_queries.zip I realize many PC or Mac implementations of Firmata may not support Arduino Mega's many pins, but any testing at all (and posting here... bugs or not) would really, really help. Testing on regular Arduino would be great too. -Paul -- This SF.net email is sponsored by Make an app they can't live without Enter the BlackBerry Developer Challenge http://p.sf.net/sfu/RIM-dev2dev ___ Firmata-devel mailing list firmata-de...@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/firmata-devel If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] detect character in a symbol?
On Tue, 10 Aug 2010, João Pais wrote: - I couldn't understand how to go from x/y (x and y being any natural numbers) to any other string format that I could use with [sel]. as I understood, string replace doesn't take spaces or expressions like a as parameter. In the cases I'm thinking of, the character to be detected is always in the middle. For now I'm using charaters / and :, like 7/8 or 1:13. You said you wanted to detect, not split. Replacing a character by a space does not split a symbol in several elements (but it does if you know how to take advantage of pd's traditional bugs). Otherwise use [s2l] or [l2s]. - this would be for the famous patch that I'm sending around. Since it's for non-pd users, I should limit myself to pd-ext objects If it's for non-pd users, you should limit yourself to non-pd objects. I mean, if they end up using your patch, they will be some kind of pd user, albeit one that we don't see so often so far. or I would have to ship gridflow with it, which might not be legal (don't know), ah, thanks for the feedback. (??) _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
--- On Tue, 8/10/10, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: From: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:53 PM Hi, On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07:55AM +0100, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? As Cyrille wrote, it's mostly a political issue: AppStore apps are tied to the device and officially only available through the AppStore. This is some kind of DRM and many people don't consider it compatible with the GPL, at least not with the latest version. More specifically, the FSF considers the GPL incompatible with the ToS for the Itunes and App store: http://www.fsf.org/news/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement To play it safe, the Pd in RjDj only contains the BSD parts of Pd, no [expr] etc. Some GPL stuff is included, like the rj library, but that's all written by Reality Jockey. What does authorship have to do with whether the Appstore ToS conflicts with the GPL? -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] GPL vs. iPhone Appstore WAS: pd on ipad with externals
On Aug 10, 2010, at 12:25 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: From: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:53 PM Hi, On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07:55AM +0100, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? As Cyrille wrote, it's mostly a political issue: AppStore apps are tied to the device and officially only available through the AppStore. This is some kind of DRM and many people don't consider it compatible with the GPL, at least not with the latest version. More specifically, the FSF considers the GPL incompatible with the ToS for the Itunes and App store: http://www.fsf.org/news/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement To play it safe, the Pd in RjDj only contains the BSD parts of Pd, no [expr] etc. Some GPL stuff is included, like the rj library, but that's all written by Reality Jockey. What does authorship have to do with whether the Appstore ToS conflicts with the GPL? The GPL is a license to use copyrighted material that you otherwise would not have any legal right to use. If the author of GPL software posts their software to the appstore, it could be read as a implied statement that the author is not going to enforce all aspects of the GPL. An explicit statement to that effect would be better. If you don't own the copyright, then that is not your decision to make. .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. .hc On Aug 10, 2010, at 6:07 AM, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? rjdj is on the ipad, so Pd runs on the iPad. There are two other Pd for iPhoneOS branch projects out there (iJam?), so they should be runnable. If someone wants to take on merging all these iPhoneOS branches I'll help get it into the new libpd/Android branch and vanilla too. .hc On Fri, 2010-08-06 at 22:52 +0200, Peter Plessas wrote: Dear list, Does Pd run on an iPad? Can one compile externals for it and how is the development situation for the device? Thanks for any pointers! P ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp kill your television ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
I wasn't aware that Apple are doing this. This is interesting and important to me. Frank and I are two of the principle authors of rjlib (in fact there are many others including Chris McCormick and many Pd artists who have allowed their work to be incorporated into the collection, all as GPL) Every patch carries a prominent GPL notice. On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: From: Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:53 PM Hi, On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07:55AM +0100, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? As Cyrille wrote, it's mostly a political issue: AppStore apps are tied to the device and officially only available through the AppStore. This is some kind of DRM and many people don't consider it compatible with the GPL, at least not with the latest version. More specifically, the FSF considers the GPL incompatible with the ToS for the Itunes and App store: http://www.fsf.org/news/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement To play it safe, the Pd in RjDj only contains the BSD parts of Pd, no [expr] etc. Some GPL stuff is included, like the rj library, but that's all written by Reality Jockey. What does authorship have to do with whether the Appstore ToS conflicts with the GPL? -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
see : http://www.fsf.org/news/2010-05-app-store-compliance/ anyway, if artiste allow there work to be included in apple store, they agree to distribute it under a double licence : gpl and apple. i'm not a legal expert, and not sure apple allow a double licensing. cyrille Le 10/08/2010 19:44, Andy Farnell a écrit : I wasn't aware that Apple are doing this. This is interesting and important to me. Frank and I are two of the principle authors of rjlib (in fact there are many others including Chris McCormick and many Pd artists who have allowed their work to be incorporated into the collection, all as GPL) Every patch carries a prominent GPL notice. On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 09:25:55 -0700 (PDT) Jonathan Wilkesjancs...@yahoo.com wrote: --- On Tue, 8/10/10, Frank Barknechtf...@footils.org wrote: From: Frank Barknechtf...@footils.org Subject: Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Tuesday, August 10, 2010, 12:53 PM Hi, On Tue, Aug 10, 2010 at 11:07:55AM +0100, João Pais wrote: but to make patches run, they have to be programmed in vanilla, right? and it's not possible to do reatime control like input numbers, or anything more than the touchpad control? or is it possible to use pd-ext in the iphone or ipod maxi? As Cyrille wrote, it's mostly a political issue: AppStore apps are tied to the device and officially only available through the AppStore. This is some kind of DRM and many people don't consider it compatible with the GPL, at least not with the latest version. More specifically, the FSF considers the GPL incompatible with the ToS for the Itunes and App store: http://www.fsf.org/news/blogs/licensing/more-about-the-app-store-gpl-enforcement To play it safe, the Pd in RjDj only contains the BSD parts of Pd, no [expr] etc. Some GPL stuff is included, like the rj library, but that's all written by Reality Jockey. What does authorship have to do with whether the Appstore ToS conflicts with the GPL? -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. for myself, I will get an android as soon as I can afford it. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. I'll look into this when I can. I assume that it's the same with an ipad, will it work with and ipod touch as well? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] detect character in a symbol?
- this would be for the famous patch that I'm sending around. Since it's for non-pd users, I should limit myself to pd-ext objects If it's for non-pd users, you should limit yourself to non-pd objects. I mean, if they end up using your patch, they will be some kind of pd user, albeit one that we don't see so often so far. well, technically they're using pd, even if they don't even know about it. they'll know even less when the java (processing) gui is done, and pd runs in -nogui mode. anyway these are people that don't know about Pd and don't really want to, they have other priorities. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd on ipad with externals
On Tue, 2010-08-10 at 21:54 +0100, João Pais wrote: I suggest getting an Android device, we have the loading of externals working so its only a matter of time before we have Pd-extended in the Android Marketplace. for myself, I will get an android as soon as I can afford it. That said, you can build Pd for iPhoneOS, run it from the cmd line, then load externals. Then you can use the [apple/multitouch] to get data from the touch. I'll look into this when I can. I assume that it's the same with an ipad, will it work with and ipod touch as well? I've only tested on a jailbroken iPod Touch 2G ssh'ing to it and running Pd from the command line. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] detect character in a symbol?
thanks. it wasn't really exactly what I wanted, but it inspired me to find the solution, using the s2l-symbol trick. Don't know if it is what you are looking for. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [FM Discuss] Portuguese translation of the PD manual
Oi galera, posso perguntar qual o interesse específico em traduzir o manual (ou outro material qualquer) para portugês? [português do brasil, imagino] Eu sou um dos participantes do floss manual (fiz a lista de objectos e o capítulo sobre listas). Posso tentar ajudar, mas por enquanto não sei se tenho tempo (ou disposição) para fazer essa uma das minhas prioridades. Qual é a situação no brasil, é mesmo mais fácil de usar o material didáctico estando em português, ou as pessoas podem ler bem o inglês? Para além de mim há no máximo uma mão-cheia de utilizadores portugueses. Brasileiros há bastantes mais, tanto quanto sei alguns de São Paulo. Cumprimentos, João Pais The FLOSS Manual gets discussed on the Discuss-FM list and on the Pd list. I've posted several updates on what could be done to improve the English manual on both lists in the last few years, which don't seem to get much attention... Mostly people edit it in a hit-and-run kind of fashion when they find something they think needs fixing while reading it. Major pushes towards improvements happen during book sprints, but we have none planned. My own life and work has taken me pretty far from the project myself at the moment, so I stay on mainly as admin. Like HC said, and I echoed, don't wait around for the English manual to be finished. It's not likely to happen any time soon. Start translating, and if you find problems or places where it is incomplete, then fill the gaps in Portuguese or even in English if you like. If you add content in Portuguese, point it out to us on these two lists and perhaps someone will translate it into English. Best! Derek On 8/10/10 12:54 AM, Gabi Thumé wrote: I am really interested to contribute to the Portuguese version, BTW I think that the English version also need help to be finished. But I don't know how I can contribute with. I know that all of you are making effort to this Manual, but I think the community that wants to learn PD here in Brazil needs a translation. But I wish to help you with the English version too. So, how can I help the English version? Which version may I translate to Portuguese? The last one of each chapter? How to know the state of the English version? Is there another mail list of the guys doing that? Sorry about all of my questions. Thanks. -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdCon 2011?
Hi, why Weimar in particular? If in germany, why not Berlin for example? Or even both? João Pais Yes, we talked about it with Ryan a week ago and I'm definitely up for it. I was wondering whether Max has any news about Weimar? M yeah, i've mentioned it to marco and some other people too about doing it in london. i've also been speaking with a couple of people who may be able to help with the funding side of it. so, london? ryan. -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Issue with Gaussian Noise
On 2010-08-10 04:32, Frank Barknecht wrote: Hi, I made two generators for Gaussian white noise, one using DSP, the other as message based version. Both use the same algorithm, but the histogram analysis of both shows a defect with the message version: The histogram has a visible valley around the central expectation value, so it doesn't look like a real gaussian bell curve anymore. The message version is based on [random] not [noise~], and I faked a true frand by taking and scaling random values from the range 0-10. Could this be the reason for the valleys or is the reason the custom algorithm [random] uses or is it, that two [random]s are not sufficiently independent? Yes it is the reason for the valleys. Your random is on [-0.5,0.5] instead of [-1,1]. The random needs to be multiplied by 2 million before subtracting one million then dividing by one million. Then it works. Also an uncertain execution order in the log divide part needs one of those [tff]s. The DSP version looks normal to me if I sample it a few times. Martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PdCon 2011?
On Wed, 11 Aug 2010, João Pais wrote: why Weimar in particular? If in germany, why not Berlin for example? Or even both? Wherever the funding works ; and wherever the interested organisers are. _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
