Re: [PD] Pd refcards
Hi all, As seen yesterday, it would be nice to have [midirealtimein] on the refcard. I think [list] objects are missing too. L.Willkomm ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] mailing list
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Re: [PD] mailing list
On 2010-12-13 11:30, ALAN BROOKER wrote: Hi Who moderates the mailing list and what are the rules in regards to inappropriate/aggressive comments? nobody moderates the mailing list (this is by intention) and the rules are set out at http://puredata.info/community/lists/Netiquette/ mfgasdr IOhannes smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mailing list
Hmmm nothing about trolling there. Should be. D. On 12/13/10 11:33 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: On 2010-12-13 11:30, ALAN BROOKER wrote: Hi Who moderates the mailing list and what are the rules in regards to inappropriate/aggressive comments? nobody moderates the mailing list (this is by intention) and the rules are set out at http://puredata.info/community/lists/Netiquette/ -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 18: Balance the consistency principle with the inconsistency principle ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mailing list
I personally found your suggestion to ydegoyon to unsubscribe if he's not happy extremely violent and inappropriate. Do you think that your own way of reacting to posts here should be elevated to become standard of the entire group? What an idea! Everybody's contribution and comments to the list are good because they contribute to ongoing processes. What you personally consider useful obliges nobody else but you. On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:30 PM, ALAN BROOKER wrote: Hi Who moderates the mailing list and what are the rules in regards to inappropriate/aggressive comments? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mailing list
Jurgen: I don't agree that it is a “ extremely violent” comment because it is a suggestion rather than any sort of threat? Perhaps you be a bit more specific by what you mean. In any case, it is reasonable thing to say- if you are not happy with the people here don't subscribe to the list. “If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all” Everybody's contribution and comments to the list are good because they contribute to ongoing processes. What you personally consider useful obliges nobody else but you. Would like to explain just how useful and constructive ydegoyon's previous comment was in that “there are only three collaborators and you call that a community”? What is the point is saying that? You must agree it is a comment to really just take the piss out of the developers and is demotivating. Hardly sensible discourse Do you think that your own way of reacting to posts here should be elevated to become standard of the entire group? What an idea! No, that is not the case at all, and if this is the impression I have given , then I apologise-were all adults here and if I have done something wrong then I am willing to take a step back. If you don't agree with me, that's fair enough-like I said bad feelings between people is not a good thing. To just me it seems, that Sevy is pissed off and is just trying to piss other people off. If you like have look back at some of the previous posts and then tell me if you think his posts are constructive or not. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:24 AM, jurgen noise@gmail.com wrote: I personally found your suggestion to ydegoyon to unsubscribe if he's not happy extremely violent and inappropriate. Do you think that your own way of reacting to posts here should be elevated to become standard of the entire group? What an idea! Everybody's contribution and comments to the list are good because they contribute to ongoing processes. What you personally consider useful obliges nobody else but you. On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:30 PM, ALAN BROOKER wrote: Hi Who moderates the mailing list and what are the rules in regards to inappropriate/aggressive comments? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mailing list
Hi, the ones that don't like trolling or critics should use brain to relativize, instead of using emotions like in despotic societies. - jurgen noise@gmail.com a écrit : I personally found your suggestion to ydegoyon to unsubscribe if he's not happy extremely violent and inappropriate. Do you think that your own way of reacting to posts here should be elevated to become standard of the entire group? What an idea! Everybody's contribution and comments to the list are good because they contribute to ongoing processes. What you personally consider useful obliges nobody else but you. On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:30 PM, ALAN BROOKER wrote: Hi Who moderates the mailing list and what are the rules in regards to inappropriate/aggressive comments? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mailing list
- ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com a écrit : Would like to explain just how useful and constructive ydegoyon's previous comment was in that “there are only three collaborators and you call that a community”? What is the point is saying that? You must agree it is a comment to really just take the piss out of the developers and is demotivating. Hardly sensible discourse It's your interpretation. -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [netro] is a network synchronising [metro]
Hello PdPartyAnimals, I am super excited to announce the early release of an abstraction for pd0.43 that I have been working on. It's called [netro] and it is like a [metro] which attempts to synchronise with its buddies across the network. It's very easy to use, just drop it in your patch and specify how fast it should go at the left inlet and/or argument. It will associate in seconds with the other [netro]s on the LAN and all yr patches will work in rough time with eachother, getting increasingly closer together. Social patching circles for win! Would love to hear about your tests on OSes other than GNU/Linux. http://code.google.com/p/pd-netro/ It's GPLv3. Have fun. Woop! Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mailing list
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, jurgen wrote: I personally found your suggestion to ydegoyon to unsubscribe if he's not happy extremely violent and inappropriate. At the risk of sounding a bit like Degoyon, I suggest that you open some history books, to see what extreme violence looks like. Then, perhaps, you will use more appropriate vocabulary. Do you think that your own way of reacting to posts here should be elevated to become standard of the entire group? What an idea! Speaking of which, on pd-list/pd-dev, Degoyon is, by far, the person who has the most often used the words «everybody» to describe his own opinion, and «nobody» for the opposite. Whenever he talked like that, you didn't speak up, and usually, no-one does. Everybody's contribution and comments to the list are good because they contribute to ongoing processes. May you elaborate on that ? Sounds curious... ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [netro] is a network synchronising [metro]
Hi Chris, only works on 0.43? Best regards José 2010/12/13 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx: Hello PdPartyAnimals, I am super excited to announce the early release of an abstraction for pd0.43 that I have been working on. It's called [netro] and it is like a [metro] which attempts to synchronise with its buddies across the network. It's very easy to use, just drop it in your patch and specify how fast it should go at the left inlet and/or argument. It will associate in seconds with the other [netro]s on the LAN and all yr patches will work in rough time with eachother, getting increasingly closer together. Social patching circles for win! Would love to hear about your tests on OSes other than GNU/Linux. http://code.google.com/p/pd-netro/ It's GPLv3. Have fun. Woop! Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://comunicacionnativa.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, sevy wrote: this basically shows you have 3 collaborators and you call it a 'community' this basically shows you can't see further than a single webpage ; and you think of it as relevant insight, postable on pd-list. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [netro] is a network synchronising [metro]
Yep, only 0.43 (msp; i think extended did it earlier) will send udp packets to a broadcast ip. Chris. Jose Luis Santorcuato santorcuat...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Chris, only works on 0.43? Best regards José 2010/12/13 Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx: Hello PdPartyAnimals, I am super excited to announce the early release of an abstraction for pd0.43 that I have been working on. It's called [netro] and it is like a [metro] which attempts to synchronise with its buddies across the network. It's very easy to use, just drop it in your patch and specify how fast it should go at the left inlet and/or argument. It will associate in seconds with the other [netro]s on the LAN and all yr patches will work in rough time with eachother, getting increasingly closer together. Social patching circles for win! Would love to hear about your tests on OSes other than GNU/Linux. http://code.google.com/p/pd-netro/ It's GPLv3. Have fun. Woop! Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://comunicacionnativa.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
what ? again? because i criticize the structure of this fake community? because i protest against the way decisions are taken? this is immature? i will not qualify your comment here, it's just very low. and saying 'if you don't like people on this then subscribe ( i guess it was unsubscribe )' is even dumber, i don't have to agree with people again to work with pd and don't need an authorization from you. sevy ALAN BROOKER wrote: Sevy, How is this a constructive comment? In fact, how is it even constructive criticism? Your proof of the saying that goes, You can either not say anything and risk people thinking your ignorant or you can open your mouth and prove it. Really I think you need to grow up, I am really surprised at just how immature you are. If you don't like the people on the list then subscribe. Maybe I am wrong however, if you have a grievance then put it forward in a sensible way so that things can be worked out? If there is something I can do let me know? I think to have bad feelings with anyone on this list is not a good thing. Hans, I may be able to maintain a some libraries and it is something I'm looking into, my programming experience is limited but would like to contribute. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 AM, sevy ydego...@gmail.com mailto:ydego...@gmail.com wrote: this basically shows you have 3 collaborators and you call it a 'community' On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org mailto:h...@eds.org wrote: One of the goals for Pd-extended 0.43 is to have all libraries have a maintainer, so Pd-extended isn't just a collection of lots of semi-working code. The end goal is to have a maintainer for all libraries that are included in Pd-extended. Here's the current list based on my knowledge: http://puredata.info/docs/LibrariesInPdExtended If you are interested in becoming the maintainer of any of the libraries that are currently lacking a maintainer, please add your name next to the library in question. Once you get the library up-to-date for Pd-extended, we can move it up to the maintained section on the top. Here's a rough sketch of the process of getting libraries into Pd-extended: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended .hc All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Plugin for 0.43 to have a gtk-looking open dialog
I eventually had a look into the GUI plug-in stuff and came up with this. It uses a zenity-inspired gtk binary to make the dialogue (not particularly finesse, but easier thank tcl/gtk). Source and binary as well as the tcl plugin here: http://puredata.info/Members/lorenzosu/gtk-open-plugin/gtk-open-plugin Lorenzo. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
because i protest against the way decisions are taken? did you ever see here any decision that was submitted to a vote? ( for example like which libraries should be included in extended ? or if the chord patches should be orange and with an arrow? ) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
You make a good point, I would support you on this as it is constructive criticism. Taking the piss out of people is just not good . all the best. Are you still maintaining PiDiP? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:10 PM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote: because i protest against the way decisions are taken? did you ever see here any decision that was submitted to a vote? ( for example like which libraries should be included in extended ? or if the chord patches should be orange and with an arrow? ) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
* Downloads for PD extended from 2010-12-06 to 2010-12-13 for windows: 1607 Downloads for PD extended from 2010-12-06 to 2010-12-13 for OS X: 841 Downloads for PD extended from 2010-12-06 to 2010-12-13 for Debian: 6 so the total for downloads over a 7 day period across all platforms is 2454. That is allot of users for PD extended and the period doesn't even cover a whole month, that is a healthy user community to me. An email is sent asking for more people to help out in maintaining libraries and your response is to just take the piss and say 'ha ha here are only 3 collaborators...”. How is that suppose to make the few developers feel? How is that being constructive when someone is asking for help in maintaining the project? To say; “ Maybe if there was a more open process of selecting libraries there would be more developers” would be more helpful because maybe then things would change. It was a disappointing response, but I wish you the best. * * * * * On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:21 PM, ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.comwrote: You make a good point, I would support you on this as it is constructive criticism. Taking the piss out of people is just not good . all the best. Are you still maintaining PiDiP? On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 4:10 PM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote: because i protest against the way decisions are taken? did you ever see here any decision that was submitted to a vote? ( for example like which libraries should be included in extended ? or if the chord patches should be orange and with an arrow? ) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] mailing list
I appreciate the concern, but honestly I think the best solution is to just ignore the trolling. If its too much, may I suggest filtering the list in your mailer? .hc On Dec 13, 2010, at 7:02 AM, ALAN BROOKER wrote: Jurgen: I don't agree that it is a “ extremely violent” comment because it is a suggestion rather than any sort of threat? Perhaps you be a bit more specific by what you mean. In any case, it is reasonable thing to say- if you are not happy with the people here don't subscribe to the list. “If you don't have anything nice to say don't say anything at all” Everybody's contribution and comments to the list are good because they contribute to ongoing processes. What you personally consider useful obliges nobody else but you. Would like to explain just how useful and constructive ydegoyon's previous comment was in that “there are only three collaborators and you call that a community”? What is the point is saying that? You must agree it is a comment to really just take the piss out of the developers and is demotivating. Hardly sensible discourse Do you think that your own way of reacting to posts here should be elevated to become standard of the entire group? What an idea! No, that is not the case at all, and if this is the impression I have given , then I apologise-were all adults here and if I have done something wrong then I am willing to take a step back. If you don't agree with me, that's fair enough-like I said bad feelings between people is not a good thing. To just me it seems, that Sevy is pissed off and is just trying to piss other people off. If you like have look back at some of the previous posts and then tell me if you think his posts are constructive or not. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 11:24 AM, jurgen noise@gmail.com wrote: I personally found your suggestion to ydegoyon to unsubscribe if he's not happy extremely violent and inappropriate. Do you think that your own way of reacting to posts here should be elevated to become standard of the entire group? What an idea! Everybody's contribution and comments to the list are good because they contribute to ongoing processes. What you personally consider useful obliges nobody else but you. On Dec 13, 2010, at 6:30 PM, ALAN BROOKER wrote: Hi Who moderates the mailing list and what are the rules in regards to inappropriate/aggressive comments? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
note exactly what i'm talking about : my libraries ( pidip and unauthorized ) cannot be included because of their license... good, i'm happy of that now i see in the new list that : * pdp is not included some other libraries have never been included like : * pdvjtools : never included, as people doing pd-extended don't care about video ( personally i think it's what's pd is best for ) * pdp_opencv, pix_opencv : sometimes we tried to include it but saw it was impossible for the rules pd-extended impose to your package ( no autoconf, ... ) so yeh all seems blocked, for the lack of discussions and agreements, not coming in any way from me. saludos, sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
On Sun, 12 Dec 2010, Husk 00 wrote: On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 4:06 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: Some of us have restrictions about the use of software. If our contract says we have to teach only free software (because the course is explicitly about free software, for example), we can't teach pidip or unauthorized, because they are not free software. Look at this - http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/free-sw.html Yes, that could be true in some (few) countries. It doesn't depend on the country, it depends on the people involved, and on the vision of collectives involved in organising the courses. Where I live mostly (south europe) I don't have any contract at all when I teach. That might be sad, but I don't know the details. Perhaps it's fine. Depends on who you deal with, always. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
yves, Your contributions are welcome in Pd-extended, you have recently chosen again to work against it. That's your choice. A couple of points: - autoconf is welcome in Pd-extended (see Gem, pdp, zexy, oscx, etc.) - pdvjtools, pdp_opencv, and pix_opencv all could be added if someone does the work. You've made it clear that my contributions there are not welcome there, so I stopped trying. Oftentimes, when a library gets added to Pd-extended, the original author stops doing the release work and it falls on me. For example, I don't work in video at all, yet I have fixed bugs in pdp, pdp2gem, and pidip. Plus I recently worked with Tom Schouten to make a pdp 0.12.6. .hc On Dec 13, 2010, at 11:49 AM, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: note exactly what i'm talking about : my libraries ( pidip and unauthorized ) cannot be included because of their license... good, i'm happy of that now i see in the new list that : * pdp is not included some other libraries have never been included like : * pdvjtools : never included, as people doing pd-extended don't care about video ( personally i think it's what's pd is best for ) * pdp_opencv, pix_opencv : sometimes we tried to include it but saw it was impossible for the rules pd-extended impose to your package ( no autoconf, ... ) so yeh all seems blocked, for the lack of discussions and agreements, not coming in any way from me. saludos, sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Access to computers should be unlimited and total. - the hacker ethic ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
Hey Alan, Thanks for the offer! Maintaining a library mostly means keeping track of the issues and seeing that they get addressed. Things range from making releases, posting releases, fixing bugs, accepting patches, etc. It can also mean doing all of the work, if you so choose. I will help out where I can, and I'm sure many others will too. You can take on any library you want, I always say its best to take on one that you feel personally invested in. .hc On Dec 13, 2010, at 5:25 AM, ALAN BROOKER wrote: Sevy, How is this a constructive comment? In fact, how is it even constructive criticism? Your proof of the saying that goes, You can either not say anything and risk people thinking your ignorant or you can open your mouth and prove it. Really I think you need to grow up, I am really surprised at just how immature you are. If you don't like the people on the list then subscribe. Maybe I am wrong however, if you have a grievance then put it forward in a sensible way so that things can be worked out? If there is something I can do let me know? I think to have bad feelings with anyone on this list is not a good thing. Hans, I may be able to maintain a some libraries and it is something I'm looking into, my programming experience is limited but would like to contribute. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 AM, sevy ydego...@gmail.com wrote: this basically shows you have 3 collaborators and you call it a 'community' On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org wrote: One of the goals for Pd-extended 0.43 is to have all libraries have a maintainer, so Pd-extended isn't just a collection of lots of semi- working code. The end goal is to have a maintainer for all libraries that are included in Pd-extended. Here's the current list based on my knowledge: http://puredata.info/docs/LibrariesInPdExtended If you are interested in becoming the maintainer of any of the libraries that are currently lacking a maintainer, please add your name next to the library in question. Once you get the library up- to-date for Pd-extended, we can move it up to the maintained section on the top. Here's a rough sketch of the process of getting libraries into Pd-extended: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended .hc All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list “We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [netro] is a network synchronising [metro]
Ah, that's fun! Sounds like a great object for use on phones and tablets. .hc On Dec 13, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Chris McCormick wrote: Hello PdPartyAnimals, I am super excited to announce the early release of an abstraction for pd0.43 that I have been working on. It's called [netro] and it is like a [metro] which attempts to synchronise with its buddies across the network. It's very easy to use, just drop it in your patch and specify how fast it should go at the left inlet and/or argument. It will associate in seconds with the other [netro]s on the LAN and all yr patches will work in rough time with eachother, getting increasingly closer together. Social patching circles for win! Would love to hear about your tests on OSes other than GNU/Linux. http://code.google.com/p/pd-netro/ It's GPLv3. Have fun. Woop! Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list 'You people have such restrictive dress for women,’ she said, hobbling away in three inch heels and panty hose to finish out another pink- collar temp pool day. - “Hijab Scene #2, by Mohja Kahf ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: - autoconf is welcome in Pd-extended (see Gem, pdp, zexy, oscx, etc.) He's talking about the opposite : is autoconf required in Pd-extended ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] msd-editor persistence question
Hi All, Finally got msd-editor working (I think) and I have a few questions...(hopefully not too dumb) Most immediate is how do I save the structure I have created as a pd patch? I'm aware I can save the DS as a txt file but does that mean that I have to go through the editor everytime I want to use the structure? Cheers, Julian ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
A long standing complaint of Pd-extended is that it is hard to know what all is in it and how it got there. Plus the old build system is a bug ugly whack thing that is not understandable We've made the library template and that's working well so far. We Here are some concrete steps to take on to help with this effort, either as the maintainer of a library, or just where you can help: - add a page to the the downloads page http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/ (this will become http://puredata.info/downloads soon). - add releases to the download page - improving documentation - making a Debian package - taking a pure:dyne package and getting it ready for submission to Debian - test releases - update the code in the Pd-extended release branch, once that is in place There is some developing documentation here, its not cast in stone yet: http://puredata.info/docs/AddingYourProjectToDownloads http://puredata.info/docs/LibrariesInPdExtended http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended There is a library template too. People aren't required to use this, but it makes things a lot easier IMHO: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/LibraryTemplate .hc On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: Hey Alan, Thanks for the offer! Maintaining a library mostly means keeping track of the issues and seeing that they get addressed. Things range from making releases, posting releases, fixing bugs, accepting patches, etc. It can also mean doing all of the work, if you so choose. I will help out where I can, and I'm sure many others will too. You can take on any library you want, I always say its best to take on one that you feel personally invested in. .hc On Dec 13, 2010, at 5:25 AM, ALAN BROOKER wrote: Sevy, How is this a constructive comment? In fact, how is it even constructive criticism? Your proof of the saying that goes, You can either not say anything and risk people thinking your ignorant or you can open your mouth and prove it. Really I think you need to grow up, I am really surprised at just how immature you are. If you don't like the people on the list then subscribe. Maybe I am wrong however, if you have a grievance then put it forward in a sensible way so that things can be worked out? If there is something I can do let me know? I think to have bad feelings with anyone on this list is not a good thing. Hans, I may be able to maintain a some libraries and it is something I'm looking into, my programming experience is limited but would like to contribute. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 AM, sevy ydego...@gmail.com wrote: this basically shows you have 3 collaborators and you call it a 'community' On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org wrote: One of the goals for Pd-extended 0.43 is to have all libraries have a maintainer, so Pd-extended isn't just a collection of lots of semi- working code. The end goal is to have a maintainer for all libraries that are included in Pd-extended. Here's the current list based on my knowledge: http://puredata.info/docs/LibrariesInPdExtended If you are interested in becoming the maintainer of any of the libraries that are currently lacking a maintainer, please add your name next to the library in question. Once you get the library up- to-date for Pd-extended, we can move it up to the maintained section on the top. Here's a rough sketch of the process of getting libraries into Pd-extended: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended .hc All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list “We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
Seems like the power to decide what goes into Pd-extended lies in the same place it does in every other free software project out there: with those willing to do the work. Seems fair to me. D. On 12/13/10 7:35 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Here are some concrete steps to take on to help with this effort, either as the maintainer of a library, or just where you can help: - add a page to the the downloads page http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/ (this will become http://puredata.info/downloads soon). - add releases to the download page - improving documentation - making a Debian package - taking a pure:dyne package and getting it ready for submission to Debian - test releases - update the code in the Pd-extended release branch, once that is in place There is some developing documentation here, its not cast in stone yet: http://puredata.info/docs/AddingYourProjectToDownloads http://puredata.info/docs/LibrariesInPdExtended http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended There is a library template too. People aren't required to use this, but it makes things a lot easier IMHO: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/LibraryTemplate .hc -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 198: Instead of changing the thing, change the world around it. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Osc phase and number of periods for subsonic touch-music
Hi Daniel, Sorry for the late reply on this subject. To do exactly as you describe it is possible to take the cosine or sine of a line over period. Use [vline~] as it is much more flexible. Take a line running from 0 to 1 in some time, and use the cosine function to obtain exactly one period in the same time. Note: You don't need the 2 * PI with Pure Data audio objects, they are adjusted for radians (rotation normalised so that 2*PI = 1 ) On Tue, 7 Dec 2010 23:32:48 -0800 Daniel K. konarsonarsmo...@gmail.com wrote: but it would seem more elegant if I could solve both problems by generating sine waves with finite numbers of periods that always started with the same phase. -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] msd-editor persistence question
On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 05:53:25PM +, J bz wrote: Most immediate is how do I save the structure I have created as a pd patch? I'm aware I can save the DS as a txt file but does that mean that I have to go through the editor everytime I want to use the structure? If you choose the msd-option to save your settings, then everything is saved into a textfile as normal Pd messages, which you can directly feed to [msd2d] or [msd3d], so you don't need to go through the editor anymore. Ciao -- Frank BarknechtDo You RjDj.me? _ __footils.org__ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PD OOP?
Hey All I've had a bit of a daydream about a further development in PD. Could an expression be placed into the arguments of an object, or even a named receive become part of expr I suppose the dream would be to have something like [osc~ (pitch * 2)] instead of [r pitch] | [* 2] | [osc~] or even [expr pitch * 2] | [osc~] And other such space-saving arguments. Does anyone know of anything like this to streamline pd? Or am I just dreaming here? Cheers Andrew ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd refcards
Yep Jonathan, it's basically help-intro.pd... Nope Mathieu, I didn't know about these translation files. It's very interesting and it could have saved me some questions on translation issues ! But it's some consolation to me that usually manual adjustments stay necessary to fit on one or two pages *nicely* ;-) - Karim Le 13 déc. 2010 à 03:19, Mathieu Bouchard a écrit : On Sun, 12 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: This is basically help-intro.pd, right? And did Karim know that this had all been translated to French and many other languages already ? http://desiredata.artengine.ca/svn/trunk/pd/src/locale/francais.tcl http://desiredata.artengine.ca/svn/trunk/pd/src/locale/italiano.tcl http://desiredata.artengine.ca/svn/trunk/pd/src/locale/bokmal.tcl etc... http://desiredata.artengine.ca/svn/trunk/pd/src/locale/ almost all of the 17 languages listed have the translations for the class names. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] pix_frei0r
Is there a possibility of getting the frei0r plugins working in GEM? http://www.piksel.org/frei0r It would be nice to have a version of it - a minimalistic plugin API for video effects Frei0r is a minimalistic plugin API for video sources and filters. The behaviour of the effects can be controlled from the host by simple parameters. The intent is to solve the recurring reimplementation or adaptation issue of standard effects. Frei0r is not meant as a generic API for all kinds of video applications. There is no support for the requirements of special application areas like non linear editors, hardware accelerated shader effects, and high precision video processing. These advanced issues are not even solved satisfactory for non cross application plugin apis and are still an evolving field. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
As far as improving documentation, I'd say every object in Pd-ext should be documented clearly in a help patch that outlines: 1) what the object does 2) what its arguments are (and how they function) 3) what messages are accepted at each inlet, and output at each outlet (and the meaning of those messages, unless it's obvious) 4) _clear_ example patch 5) any related objects (esp. internal objects) If right-clicking Help for an object doesn't bring up a help patch, or if that help patch is just a placeholder, it should be considered a bug. -Jonathan --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Subject: Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43 To: PD List pd-list@iem.at Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 7:35 PM A long standing complaint of Pd-extended is that it is hard to know what all is in it and how it got there. Plus the old build system is a bug ugly whack thing that is not understandable We've made the library template and that's working well so far. We Here are some concrete steps to take on to help with this effort, either as the maintainer of a library, or just where you can help: - add a page to the the downloads page http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/ (this will become http://puredata.info/downloads soon).- add releases to the download page- improving documentation- making a Debian package- taking a pure:dyne package and getting it ready for submission to Debian- test releases- update the code in the Pd-extended release branch, once that is in place There is some developing documentation here, its not cast in stone yet: http://puredata.info/docs/AddingYourProjectToDownloadshttp://puredata.info/docs/LibrariesInPdExtendedhttp://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended There is a library template too. People aren't required to use this, but it makes things a lot easier IMHO: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/LibraryTemplate .hc On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 6:05 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: Hey Alan, Thanks for the offer! Maintaining a library mostly means keeping track of the issues and seeing that they get addressed. Things range from making releases, posting releases, fixing bugs, accepting patches, etc. It can also mean doing all of the work, if you so choose. I will help out where I can, and I'm sure many others will too. You can take on any library you want, I always say its best to take on one that you feel personally invested in. .hc On Dec 13, 2010, at 5:25 AM, ALAN BROOKER wrote: Sevy, How is this a constructive comment? In fact, how is it even constructive criticism? Your proof of the saying that goes, You can either not say anything and risk people thinking your ignorant or you can open your mouth and prove it. Really I think you need to grow up, I am really surprised at just how immature you are. If you don't like the people on the list then subscribe. Maybe I am wrong however, if you have a grievance then put it forward in a sensible way so that things can be worked out? If there is something I can do let me know? I think to have bad feelings with anyone on this list is not a good thing. Hans, I may be able to maintain a some libraries and it is something I'm looking into, my programming experience is limited but would like to contribute. On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 3:58 AM, sevy ydego...@gmail.com wrote: this basically shows you have 3 collaborators and you call it a 'community' On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.org wrote: One of the goals for Pd-extended 0.43 is to have all libraries have a maintainer, so Pd-extended isn't just a collection of lots of semi-working code. The end goal is to have a maintainer for all libraries that are included in Pd-extended. Here's the current list based on my knowledge: http://puredata.info/docs/LibrariesInPdExtended If you are interested in becoming the maintainer of any of the libraries that are currently lacking a maintainer, please add your name next to the library in question. Once you get the library up-to-date for Pd-extended, we can move it up to the maintained section on the top. Here's a rough sketch of the process of getting libraries into Pd-extended: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingIntoPdextended .hc All mankind is of one author, and is one volume; when one man dies, one chapter is not torn out of the book, but translated into a better language; and every chapter must be so translated -John Donne ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Plugin for 0.43 to have a gtk-looking open dialog
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 17:12 +0100, Lorenzo Sutton wrote:
I eventually had a look into the GUI plug-in stuff and came up with this.
It uses a zenity-inspired gtk binary to make the dialogue (not
particularly finesse, but easier thank tcl/gtk). Source and binary as
well as the tcl plugin here:
http://puredata.info/Members/lorenzosu/gtk-open-plugin/gtk-open-plugin
That's great! So much better than the crappy Tcl/Tk open panel. It
would be great to have the save panel too. I added code so that the
plugin finds pd_gtk_open in the searchpath, that's attached. I also
think an install target for the Makefile would make it really easy to
install:
install:
install -d ~/pd-externals/
install -p -m644 gtkopen-plugin.tcl ~/pd-externals/
install -p -m755 $(PROGRAM) ~/pd-externals/
If you want to publicize this, you could add it to the GUI Plugins
section of the new download page:
http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/
http://puredata.info/docs/sitedocs/AddingYourProjectToDownloads
.hc
# META NAME replace open dialog with pd_gtk_open gtk application
# META DESCRIPTION Gives you a gtk-looking open. Requires the pd_gtk_open binary
# META AUTHOR Lorenzo Sutton lsut...@libero.it
package require Tcl 8.5
package require Tk
package require pdwindow 0.1
package require pd_menus 0.1
package require pd_menucommands 0.1
#rename ::pd_menucommands::menu_open ::pd_menucommands::menu_open_old
set ::pd_gtk_open_path $::sys_guidir/pd_gtk_open
proc ::pd_menucommands::menu_open {} {
set gtk_ok 0
if {[file exists $::pd_gtk_open_path]} {
set files
if {! [catch {exec $::pd_gtk_open_path $::fileopendir} fileList]} {
#puts Using pd_gtk_open
set files [split $fileList |]
set gtk_ok 1
}
# if the executable pd_gtk_open is not found fall-back to tk
} else {
if { ! [file isdirectory $::fileopendir]} {set ::fileopendir $::env(HOME)}
set files [tk_getOpenFile -defaultextension .pd \
-multiple true \
-filetypes $::filetypes \
-initialdir $::fileopendir]
}
if {$files ne } {
foreach filename $files {
open_file $filename
}
set ::fileopendir [file dirname $filename]
}
}
# find the binary file in Pd's path
foreach pathdir [concat $::sys_searchpath $::sys_staticpath] {
set dir [file normalize $pathdir]
set testfile [file join $dir pd_gtk_open]
if { [file exists $testfile]} {
if {[file executable $testfile]} {
set ::pd_gtk_open_path $testfile
} else {
pdtk_post $testfile exists, but is not executable.\n
pdtk_post To fix, run: \tsudo chmod +x $testfile\n
}
}
}
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Re: [PD] PD OOP?
Jmax Phoenix does this. If I recall correctly it breaks the nested list feature in Gridflow. But considering your [osc~ (pitch * 2)] example-- what would happen if you change the value of pitch? The value of the [osc~] object's argument is assigned to be the initial frequency only when the object is created, so it doesn't seem like it would have an effect unless you recreate the object. (I'm curious what Jmax Phoenix does in this regard.) -Jonathan --- On Mon, 12/13/10, Andrew Faraday jbtur...@hotmail.com wrote: From: Andrew Faraday jbtur...@hotmail.com Subject: [PD] PD OOP? To: pd-list@iem.at Date: Monday, December 13, 2010, 10:34 PM Hey All I've had a bit of a daydream about a further development in PD. Could an expression be placed into the arguments of an object, or even a named receive become part of expr I suppose the dream would be to have something like [osc~ (pitch * 2)] instead of [r pitch] | [* 2] | [osc~] or even [expr pitch * 2] | [osc~] And other such space-saving arguments. Does anyone know of anything like this to streamline pd? Or am I just dreaming here? Cheers Andrew -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: As far as improving documentation, I'd say every object in Pd-ext should be documented clearly in a help patch that outlines: I'd say every class in Pd-ext should be documented clearly in a help patch that outlines: 1) what the object does 1) what the class does 5) any related objects (esp. internal objects) 5) any related classes (esp. internal classes) ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [netro] is a network synchronising [metro]
On Dec 13, 2010, at 9:48 AM, Chris McCormick wrote: Hello PdPartyAnimals, http://code.google.com/p/pd-netro/ On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:28:02PM -0500, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Ah, that's fun! Sounds like a great object for use on phones and tablets. Unfortunately Android is doing something weird where the broadcast packets are being sent but not received. I need to contact Peter Brinkmann to see if he can shed some light on why that's happening as it's a major use-case for me to use this abstraction on phones and tablets as you say. Might require some upstream patches to Pd itself, but hopefully not. If anyone has the opportunity to test on iOS devices I would be very keen to hear how it works there (as with OSX and Windows too). Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote: Gridflow have also recommended, but still can not quite decipher the code. What can I answer to this ? (Can you ask some specific questions instead ?) ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] chaos compiled for macosx
Hello, do anybody have the chaos library from ben boggart compiled for macosx intel? thanks in advance R. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] chaos compiled for macosx
Running make pd_darwin should do it, if you have the source. .hc On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 18:38 -0800, ronni montoya wrote: Hello, do anybody have the chaos library from ben boggart compiled for macosx intel? thanks in advance R. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
Thanks Mathieu, well, I've been tracking with pix_background and pix_blob, also with the controversial PiDiP library, is very sad to have problems... but...life ... I programming on processing and arduino and yet can not understand all the code a gridflow,I spent so not much time, I teach in the universities here ...califications and burocracy... I'm trying to decipher the code and I deeply appreciate your help Mathieu, you're the that really helped me, this year I have worked with opencv, gridflow...good... but i need more time... Thanks Mathieu and list... Best regards José Next week i show my work transitos... hypermedia...net art and installation... hurra 2010/12/13 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca: On Wed, 8 Dec 2010, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote: Gridflow have also recommended, but still can not quite decipher the code. What can I answer to this ? (Can you ask some specific questions instead ?) ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://comunicacionnativa.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
ola, - pdvjtools, pdp_opencv, and pix_opencv all could be added if someone does the work. You've made it clear that my contributions there are not welcome there, so I stopped trying. nah nah, you've overwritten all our building system and then asked if it was ok... there's a big difference here Oftentimes, when a library gets added to Pd-extended, the original author stops doing the release work and it falls on me. For example, I don't work in video at all, yet I have fixed bugs in pdp, pdp2gem, and pidip. Plus I recently worked with Tom Schouten to make a pdp 0.12.6. yeh that's a scoop, why don't we know? .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pix_frei0r
you know it works with pdp_frei0r part of pdvjtools Patrick Pagano wrote: Is there a possibility of getting the frei0r plugins working in GEM? http://www.piksel.org/frei0r It would be nice to have a version of it - a minimalistic plugin API for video effects Frei0r is a minimalistic plugin API for video sources and filters. The behaviour of the effects can be controlled from the host by simple parameters. The intent is to solve the recurring reimplementation or adaptation issue of standard effects. Frei0r is not meant as a generic API for all kinds of video applications. There is no support for the requirements of special application areas like non linear editors, hardware accelerated shader effects, and high precision video processing. These advanced issues are not even solved satisfactory for non cross application plugin apis and are still an evolving field. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
that's really crazy what you did here : http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation that reaches that level respect! sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
--- On Tue, 12/14/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43 To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:04 AM On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: As far as improving documentation, I'd say every object in Pd-ext should be documented clearly in a help patch that outlines: I'd say every class in Pd-ext should be documented clearly in a help patch that outlines: You're right. I'm an object-o-phile. But do you find Related Objects troubling-- should it be Related Classes? 1) what the object does 1) what the class does In a lot of situations you need both. For something like canvas_class it doesn't make much sense to put all the details of what the class does in one giant help file-- for instance, to follow your GFDP model, you'd have one see also section that includes [inlet] (which relates to [pd] but not to [table]) as well as [tabread] or the Put menu array (vice versa). So you can have one help patch for the class that has links to individual objects. 5) any related objects (esp. internal objects) 5) any related classes (esp. internal classes) Ok so you do think it should say related classes. -Jonathan ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
you maintain unauthorized ( free version, if free ever meant anything ) and pmpd ? wow, if that's not using other people's work, i dunno what fresh hell is this... very good takeover, very good semester result, you can apply for the employee of the month ydego...@gmail.com wrote: that's really crazy what you did here : http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation that reaches that level respect! sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
On Tue, 2010-12-14 at 05:01 +0100, ydego...@gmail.com wrote: that's really crazy what you did here : http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/unauthorized sorry i haven't seen any recent case of exploitation that reaches that level respect! sevy I thought you might want to promote your software. Its editable, change it if you want. .hc ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43
On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 20:25 -0800, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: --- On Tue, 12/14/10, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca Subject: Re: [PD] libraries in Pd-extended 0.43 To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: PD List pd-list@iem.at, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Date: Tuesday, December 14, 2010, 3:04 AM On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: As far as improving documentation, I'd say every object in Pd-ext should be documented clearly in a help patch that outlines: I'd say every class in Pd-ext should be documented clearly in a help patch that outlines: You're right. I'm an object-o-phile. But do you find Related Objects troubling-- should it be Related Classes? Pd doesn't really have classes like OOP (i.e. no inheritance), so I think it can be confusing to use that term. People have been saying objects for a long time with Pd and Max. .hc 1) what the object does 1) what the class does In a lot of situations you need both. For something like canvas_class it doesn't make much sense to put all the details of what the class does in one giant help file-- for instance, to follow your GFDP model, you'd have one see also section that includes [inlet] (which relates to [pd] but not to [table]) as well as [tabread] or the Put menu array (vice versa). So you can have one help patch for the class that has links to individual objects. 5) any related objects (esp. internal objects) 5) any related classes (esp. internal classes) Ok so you do think it should say related classes. -Jonathan ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] 0.43 nightly build
I took a stab at using the 0.43 nightly build on Lenny. The package installed ok and here's what I found: * when I first ran pd, I got an error because it was looking for pd-gui.tcl et al in /usr/tcl, which didn't exist. So I copied everything from the /usr/lib/pd-extended/tcl and then it worked. * created [f] on a canvas, right-clicked and did Help. Couldn't find help patch. * tried Preferences-Path... and got a segfault. * no externals will create, no iemguis will create. -Jonathan ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd refcards
You're right Pedro, let's share the source ! http://puredata.info/Members/kbarkati/pd-refcard-tex/view It's a LaTeX file, essentially using 'multicol' and 'tabularx' packages. If you make new cards, please tell me so that my students can get them ;-) Cheers, Karim Le 12 déc. 2010 à 19:39, Pedro Lopes a écrit : Very nice. We could make an open one an publish it somewhere more visible. If you want to share the source maybe people could modify it. I'd like to make a simpler version, with just the very basics. 'Cause I just gave a tutorial yesterday, to a musician interested in pd, I'll forward the card to him. I think it makes quite a good synopsis of the whole class. Thanks for sharing, Best regards, Pedro On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 5:00 PM, Karim Barkati digital...@online.fr wrote: Hi all, I just laid out a one-sided pd refcard for my students and I'd like to share it ;-) There's one in english and one in french, and I uploaded them on : http://puredata.info/docs/manuals/pdrefcards Cheers, Karim ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
