[PD] pd-extended 0.43 windows 7 installation
Hi List Sony Vaio, intel i3-370 2.4 Im trying to install pd-extended 0.43 on windows 7 on a new machine, however when I run the application I get the following error *The program can't start because libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing from you computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem.* I thought it could be because I didnt have mingw installed (GNU Compiler Collection)- but installing it doesn't solve the issue? If any one has any advice on reolsing this and running PD would be grateful :0 Thanks All ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] selecting an alsa soundcard at startup
Tim, You may want to consider using jack, which will allow you to use the device names rather than IDs so long as you do not have multiple devices of the same type. To get the names of the devices use cat /proc/asound/cards from the terminal. This will list all sound devices. In my case on this machine that command returns: 0 [SB ]: HDA-Intel - HDA ATI SB HDA ATI SB at 0xfccf4000 irq 16 1 [R15]: RME9652 - RME Digi9652 (Rev 1.5) RME Digi9652 (Rev 1.5) at 0xfd00, irq 20 To address the RME card, I can use the alsa device hw:R15 in my jack startup. Otherwise, you could probably achieve the same with a custom alsa device specifying the hardware in ~/.asoundrc to overide the default also device, but don't me ask me how... -michael On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 5:33 AM, tim vets timv...@gmail.com wrote: How do I have pd select the correct sound card, regardless of what device numbering it gets from alsa? The problem is now that for some reason, the device listing of my sound cards and midi devices keeps changing quite often. After a reboot, it is often the case that pd tries to connect to the wrong alsa device, and I have to select it manually again. Anyone know a good trick to cope with this? Thanks Tim ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Appending two signals together to create a third
On 09/01/2011 11:51 AM, Rick T wrote: For more background I'm going to have the Frequency, Amplitude, and Phase controlled by Midi Controllers. So there will be a total of 9 midi controllers used (3 for each signal). i think independent control of the 3 frequencies makes this a little tricky. appending the waveform exactly at cycle-boundaries will only happen at certain frequency ratios. the best i could come up with so far was a frequency ratio and another control for the splitpoint (attached). for 1:1 or 2:1 etc. you get more or less exactly appended waves. (and changing a frequency-ratio makes quite nice sweep- or sync like sounds) i have not tried yet, but maybe it is also possible to compute the waveform with the desired nrs of b and c cycles with messages, scale the resulting table to the size of one block, and reblock the patch to fit the frequency of d. this would always guarantee exactly appended waves, though not with precise control over the frequencies of b and c. bis denn! martin #N canvas 317 118 998 883 10; #X obj 190 -35 phasor~; #X obj 46 177 wrap~; #X obj 45 198 *~ 512; #X obj 159 193 *~ 512; #X obj 159 172 wrap~; #X obj 103 598 dac~; #X obj 127 435 +~; #N canvas 0 0 450 300 (subpatch) 0; #X array \$0display 512 float 0; #X coords 0 1.5 511 -1.5 256 140 1 0 0; #X restore 285 542 graph; #X obj 287 504 tabwrite~ \$0display; #X msg 347 467 bang; #X obj 190 -63 nbx 5 14 0 1 0 1 empty empty freq_D 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 145 256; #X obj 64 372 *~; #X obj 100 317 nbx 5 14 0 100 0 1 empty empty amp1 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 100 256; #X obj 96 339 / 100; #X obj 222 377 *~; #X obj 258 322 nbx 5 14 0 100 0 1 empty empty amp2 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 100 256; #X obj 254 344 / 100; #X obj 22 82 nbx 5 14 0 100 0 1 empty empty phase1 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1 256; #X obj 27 108 / 100; #X obj 55 155 +~; #X obj 179 106 nbx 5 14 0 100 0 1 empty empty phase2 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 176 124 / 100; #X obj 159 150 +~; #X obj 107 538 *~ 0.5; #X text 3 172 osc B; #X text 199 172 osc C; #X obj 522 313 table \$0waveB 515; #X obj 522 335 table \$0waveC 515; #X obj 158 217 tabread4~ \$0waveC; #X obj 39 222 tabread4~ \$0waveB; #X text 390 463 click to display wave; #X obj 593 -46 until; #X obj 593 -18 f; #X obj 624 -16 + 1; #X obj 633 153 sin; #X obj 632 130 * 6.28319; #X obj 588 41 t f f; #X obj 595 -100 loadbang; #X obj 517 142 mod 2; #X obj 527 166 * 2; #X obj 528 191 - 1; #X obj 632 104 / 512; #X obj 513 118 div 256; #X obj 625 5 mod 515; #X msg 595 -73 515; #X obj 515 228 * -1; #X obj 657 178 tabwrite \$0waveB; #X obj 509 261 tabwrite \$0waveC; #X obj 62 294 *~; #X obj 200 313 *~; #X obj 94 94 *~; #X obj 130 93 *~; #X obj 156 56 * 2; #X obj 194 56 * 2; #X obj 266 -62 nbx 3 14 1 99 0 1 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 2 256; #X obj 314 -62 nbx 3 14 1 99 0 1 empty empty empty 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 1 256; #X text 302 -64 :; #X text 564 -123 make sine and square waves; #X text 262 -84 waveform frequency ratio; #X obj 396 51 nbx 5 14 -100 100 0 1 empty empty splitpoint 0 -8 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 256; #X obj 396 71 / 100; #X obj 302 113 cos~; #X obj 286 215 clip~ 0 1; #X obj 363 205 clip~ -1 0; #X obj 363 225 *~ -1; #X obj 303 142 +~; #X obj 301 62 +~ 0.75; #X obj 301 88 clip~ 1 1.75; #X obj 302 166 *~ 64; #X text 341 126 soft xfade; #X text 464 34 0-1:1; #X connect 0 0 50 0; #X connect 0 0 51 0; #X connect 0 0 66 0; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 29 0; #X connect 3 0 28 0; #X connect 4 0 3 0; #X connect 6 0 23 0; #X connect 6 0 8 0; #X connect 9 0 8 0; #X connect 10 0 0 0; #X connect 11 0 6 0; #X connect 12 0 13 0; #X connect 13 0 11 1; #X connect 14 0 6 1; #X connect 15 0 16 0; #X connect 16 0 14 1; #X connect 17 0 18 0; #X connect 18 0 19 1; #X connect 19 0 1 0; #X connect 20 0 21 0; #X connect 21 0 22 1; #X connect 22 0 4 0; #X connect 23 0 5 0; #X connect 23 0 5 1; #X connect 28 0 49 0; #X connect 29 0 48 0; #X connect 31 0 32 0; #X connect 32 0 33 0; #X connect 32 0 36 0; #X connect 33 0 43 0; #X connect 34 0 46 0; #X connect 35 0 34 0; #X connect 36 0 41 0; #X connect 36 0 42 0; #X connect 36 1 46 1; #X connect 36 1 47 1; #X connect 37 0 44 0; #X connect 38 0 39 0; #X connect 39 0 40 0; #X connect 40 0 45 0; #X connect 41 0 35 0; #X connect 42 0 38 0; #X connect 43 0 32 1; #X connect 44 0 31 0; #X connect 45 0 47 0; #X connect 48 0 11 0; #X connect 49 0 14 0; #X connect 50 0 19 0; #X connect 51 0 22 0; #X connect 52 0 50 1; #X connect 53 0 51 1; #X connect 54 0 52 0; #X connect 55 0 53 0; #X connect 59 0 60 0; #X connect 60 0 65 1; #X connect 61 0 65 0; #X connect 62 0 48 1; #X connect 63 0 64 0; #X connect 64 0 49 1; #X connect 65 0 68 0; #X connect 66 0 67 0; #X connect 67 0 61 0; #X connect 68 0 62 0; #X connect 68 0 63 0; ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended 0.43 windows 7 installation
Hello, where did you get pd-extended installation from? adding -static-libgcc to CFLAGS in win32 build farm should resolve this problem. - ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi List Sony Vaio, intel i3-370 2.4 Im trying to install pd-extended 0.43 on windows 7 on a new machine, however when I run the application I get the following error The program can't start because libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing from you computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem. I thought it could be because I didnt have mingw installed (GNU Compiler Collection)- but installing it doesn't solve the issue? If any one has any advice on reolsing this and running PD would be grateful :0 Thanks All ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended 0.43 windows 7 installation
Hi Patrice, Thanks , I got this from the 04/09 nightly builds file: Pd-0.43.1-extended-windowsxp-i386 On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Patrice Colet colet.patr...@free.frwrote: Hello, where did you get pd-extended installation from? adding -static-libgcc to CFLAGS in win32 build farm should resolve this problem. - ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi List Sony Vaio, intel i3-370 2.4 Im trying to install pd-extended 0.43 on windows 7 on a new machine, however when I run the application I get the following error The program can't start because libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing from you computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem. I thought it could be because I didnt have mingw installed (GNU Compiler Collection)- but installing it doesn't solve the issue? If any one has any advice on reolsing this and running PD would be grateful :0 Thanks All ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] selecting an alsa soundcard at startup
Has anybody had any success with udev? I need to use oss and have tried to create a udev.rule to connect two identical usb midi interfaces and identify them by the usb port. I ended up creating the devices in /dev/ and /dev/snd/ and named them /dev/midi1, /dev/midi2 and/or /dev/snd/midiC1D0, /dev/snd/C2D0. They show up correctly in the folder /dev/ but I don't know how to assign them to anything alsa-base.conf can use. The first one that gets plugged in is always midi1 no matter where I plug it in. If I plug only one of them into the second usb port it will create midi1 and midi2. alsa-base.conf cannot seem to use the udev rules. It looks like something is assigning the soundcard numbers before or after udev. Any ideas? Ingo http://alsa.opensrc.org/MultipleCards should give you a few clues, and there's probably some advice elsewhere specific to your distro. On 3 September 2011 21:33, tim vets timv...@gmail.com wrote: How do I have pd select the correct sound card, regardless of what device numbering it gets from alsa? The problem is now that for some reason, the device listing of my sound cards and midi devices keeps changing quite often. After a reboot, it is often the case that pd tries to connect to the wrong alsa device, and I have to select it manually again. Anyone know a good trick to cope with this? Thanks Tim ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Appending two signals together to create a third
On 09/04/2011 01:46 PM, martin brinkmann wrote: and reblock the patch to fit the frequency of d. this would always guarantee exactly appended waves, though not with precise control over the frequencies of b and c. ...and of course somehow write the result to normal (power of 2) sized blocks for audio output, bis denn! martin ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] importing / using large equation into expr command
Greetings All I have 2 large equations that I would like to use with the expr command. Is it possible to import a text file into the expr command? Here's an example of one of the 2 equations http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6576402/questions/eq1.txt Basically it's a 1 second periodic signal with sample rate at 44100 which the equation gives me control over the frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset I do have the ability to create a wave (audio) file of the equation first and import the wave file into PureDate, but will I have the same control over the frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset that the equation gives me?. If you want to know what I'm creating. 1) The first option will import a text file into a table/array that will control the variables of the equations that will vary frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset over time. 2) The second option will allow the variables to be controllable/variable using a midi controller and it's audio signal played I know Puredata can do this very well with small equations and the expr command but using large equations I'm not sure. Also if I should be doing this in a different way please let me know I'm always willing to learn something new. Thanks -- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] tkwidgets
2011/9/4 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
- Original Message -
From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca
To: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at
Cc: pd-list pd-list@iem.at; João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com
Sent: Saturday, September 3, 2011 6:31 PM
Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-dev] tkwidgets
On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote:
Here's a good example of what I mean: the drawing commands for obj,msg,
etc boxes should not be in 'pd'. 'pd' should tell
'pd-gui': draw an object on this canvas, at this x,y with these
inlets and outlets. pd-gui should also handle the mouse
clicks, selection coloration, change of line style from dashed to solid,
etc.
So something like:
draw_object .x230ad0.c osc~ 500 10 500 inlet~ inlet outlet~
desiredata sends :
change x9ad1038 x9acecc0 0 {#X obj 140 100 osc~ 500;} 2 1 1
this is not using sys_mgui(), though. I don't really remember why I
decided
to not use it. It's using the pd_upload() function in the server. The 4th
argument is the line of the object as it would be written in a .pd file.
the 5th
and 6th arguments is the number of inlets and outlets, and the 7th
argument
means that the object is ok (no red dash). The first arg is the id of the
object, the second arg is the id of the canvas, and the third arg is the
index
of the object (as used in #X connect).
This was for object updates, and was supposed to be replaced by something
more
efficient based on diffs. The other problem with uploading whole objects
was
that it didn't merge diffs, as has to happen when you move a slider that
is
currently receiving values or changing colour on its own, for example.
sys_mgui was meant for sending updates. You'd give an object id, then a
selector, then an arg signature (like fssfsffsf to mean some
combination of float and symbols, for example), then varargs. This
assumed that
the object id came first, as in most forms of object-oriented Tcl, and
unlike
plain procs.
the proc named «change» had to be a regular proc, because it's also
responsible for creating the object if it does not exist, so that there
isn't any special case for that, and then it couldn't be an instance
method because the object might not exist yet.
If you spent the same amount of time working on DD as you do writing about
how
DD works, you could spend a lot less time writing about how DD works, and a
lot
more time working on DD. :)
-Jonathan
Hold on... When Matju talks about how DD works it's *almost* like
backporting from DD to Pd, and in this sense it's historic. And because of
the incompatible licenses, it might be the only way to port from DD to Pd.
Pst...! :O)
Andras
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Re: [PD] pd-extended 0.43 windows 7 installation
AH, this is probably due to using gcc 4.5 now in the new MinGW build. We could also include libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll in Pd-extended. Patrice, do you know which is the better route? Including the dll or using -static- libgcc? .hc On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:54 AM, Patrice Colet wrote: Hello, where did you get pd-extended installation from? adding -static-libgcc to CFLAGS in win32 build farm should resolve this problem. - ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi List Sony Vaio, intel i3-370 2.4 Im trying to install pd-extended 0.43 on windows 7 on a new machine, however when I run the application I get the following error The program can't start because libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing from you computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem. I thought it could be because I didnt have mingw installed (GNU Compiler Collection)- but installing it doesn't solve the issue? If any one has any advice on reolsing this and running PD would be grateful :0 Thanks All ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] importing / using large equation into expr command
A .pd file is a text file, so you can just open your Pd patch in a text editor, and paste in the equation. But honestly with something that big, I think making a C external might be easier in the long run. .hc On Sep 4, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Rick T wrote: Greetings All I have 2 large equations that I would like to use with the expr command. Is it possible to import a text file into the expr command? Here's an example of one of the 2 equations http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6576402/questions/eq1.txt Basically it's a 1 second periodic signal with sample rate at 44100 which the equation gives me control over the frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset I do have the ability to create a wave (audio) file of the equation first and import the wave file into PureDate, but will I have the same control over the frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset that the equation gives me?. If you want to know what I'm creating. 1) The first option will import a text file into a table/array that will control the variables of the equations that will vary frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset over time. 2) The second option will allow the variables to be controllable/ variable using a midi controller and it's audio signal played I know Puredata can do this very well with small equations and the expr command but using large equations I'm not sure. Also if I should be doing this in a different way please let me know I'm always willing to learn something new. Thanks -- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Announcing CouchPdb development
On Sat, Aug 27, 2011 at 01:00, Thomas Mayer tho...@residuum.org wrote: [...] - How should nested objects and arrays be handled? Should they be handled at all? Nested objects could be just output flat along with with top-level and they could have a property parent or something like that. E.g.: list id 1 list parent 0 -- means it's top level (in case the first element is 1 not 0) list name pasta (bang on second outlet) list id 2 list parent 1 -- means it's a child of id 1 list name flour list grams 250 (bang on second outlet) list id 3 list parent 1 list name water list grams 150 (etc...) Arrays... I'm not sure. If it's not an array of objects, just an a simple array of symbols/floats, isn't this possible?: list id 1 list name family list members Mary Joe Carl Felicity Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] importing / using large equation into expr command
Hi Rick, As per the olde Dorset saying, to strangers seeking directions... You dont want to go from here Looks like a mistake of exchanging computational space for data space. In other words, probably the program used to generate this text file file is closer to what you actually should do (some kind of convolution is it?) You have a sum of some amplitude offset, times some tabulated value, times alternately sin or cos terms, times some ratios of the sample number. Only the table values really need dealing with. modulo two will give you either 0 or 1 to determine whether to choose sin() or cos(), or better, multiply that by pi/2 and incorporate it into the trig term as cos(x) = sin(pi/2 -x) The sample number is an int that keeps increasing by one and everything else is constant. [until] can be used to construct an iteration, and an integration (running sum) can be done using the accumulator idiom. On Sun, 4 Sep 2011 11:35:39 -0400 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: A .pd file is a text file, so you can just open your Pd patch in a text editor, and paste in the equation. But honestly with something that big, I think making a C external might be easier in the long run. .hc On Sep 4, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Rick T wrote: Greetings All I have 2 large equations that I would like to use with the expr command. Is it possible to import a text file into the expr command? Here's an example of one of the 2 equations http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6576402/questions/eq1.txt Basically it's a 1 second periodic signal with sample rate at 44100 which the equation gives me control over the frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset I do have the ability to create a wave (audio) file of the equation first and import the wave file into PureDate, but will I have the same control over the frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset that the equation gives me?. If you want to know what I'm creating. 1) The first option will import a text file into a table/array that will control the variables of the equations that will vary frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset over time. 2) The second option will allow the variables to be controllable/ variable using a midi controller and it's audio signal played I know Puredata can do this very well with small equations and the expr command but using large equations I'm not sure. Also if I should be doing this in a different way please let me know I'm always willing to learn something new. Thanks -- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] importing / using large equation into expr command
Actually, now I spotted this part. I do have the ability to create a wave (audio) file of the equation first and import the wave file into PureDate, but will I have the same control over the frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset that the equation gives me?. Why not import the wave into a table, scan the oscillator with a phasor and add a frequency, amplitude or phase shift in the signal domain? If that's what you really want to do it's _much_ easier than you might think. (frequency) | [phasor~] | [+~]-(phase shift) | [*~]-(size of table) | [tabread~ table] | [+~]-(amplitude offset) | (output) -- Andy Farnell padawa...@obiwannabe.co.uk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] importing / using large equation into expr command
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Rick T wrote: I have 2 large equations that I would like to use with the expr command. Is it possible to import a text file into the expr command? Here's an example of one of the 2 equations http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6576402/questions/eq1.txt You don't use [expr~] for this, you use [fft~] instead, or similar. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] tkwidgets
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, András Murányi wrote: Hold on... When Matju talks about how DD works it's *almost* like backporting from DD to Pd, and in this sense it's historic. And because of the incompatible licenses, it might be the only way to port from DD to Pd. Pst...! :O) So, what are the licenses of DesireData ? It's not like you really looked. The server-side changes are under the same BSD license as Pd. And no-one ever asked me for any license-change of any part of the client-side. It's not like anyone ever tried. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] selecting an alsa soundcard at startup
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 14:33, Ingo i...@miamiwave.com wrote: Has anybody had any success with udev? I need to use oss and have tried to create a udev.rule to connect two identical usb midi interfaces and identify them by the usb port. I ended up creating the devices in /dev/ and /dev/snd/ and named them /dev/midi1, /dev/midi2 and/or /dev/snd/midiC1D0, /dev/snd/C2D0. They show up correctly in the folder /dev/ but I don't know how to assign them to anything alsa-base.conf can use. The first one that gets plugged in is always midi1 no matter where I plug it in. If I plug only one of them into the second usb port it will create midi1 and midi2. alsa-base.conf cannot seem to use the udev rules. It looks like something is assigning the soundcard numbers before or after udev. Any ideas? Ingo More than udev it might be a modprobe thing. I have these rules in /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf : options snd-emu10k1 index=0 options snd_intel8x0 index=1 ...which make my Soundblaster card always be hw:0 and the motherboard sound card be hw:1. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] tkwidgets
On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: If you spent the same amount of time working on DD as you do writing about how DD works, you could spend a lot less time writing about how DD works, and a lot more time working on DD. :) Do you think that it would be enough for getting anywhere ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Martin Peach wrote: But there are more ways of writing numbers than a single sscanf call can handle, so a real version would have to check all the expected input styles. Even in Pd ? Pd doesn't parse any kind of hex, octal or binary. Which of Pd's number formats are unsupported by sscanf %f ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] tkwidgets
On Sep 4, 2011, at 1:33 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: If you spent the same amount of time working on DD as you do writing about how DD works, you could spend a lot less time writing about how DD works, and a lot more time working on DD. :) Do you think that it would be enough for getting anywhere ? Yes. .hc News is what people want to keep hidden and everything else is publicity. - Bill Moyers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: Also, I'm assuming [list implode] would accept and process a list at the left inlet, unlike [s2l] (which passes the 1st element to the right inlet). I don't understand. Wouldn't [list implode] correspond to [l2s], whereas [list explode] would correspond to [s2l]. Damn. This was meant to end using a question mark, of course. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: It needs to be that simple for the general case because Pd Vanilla has no (sensible) mechanism to convert a symbol atom into a float. Then it needs a sensible mechanism to convert a symbol atom into a float. If symbol atoms which look like numbers to the naked eye are going to start flying around more freely in Pd then the docs need to explain how atoms are a kind of weird file cabinet where the label on the cabinet tells you which file-folder inside actually holds the data. That's called a union or a variant record type or an «any» type or a sum-type or whatever else. If it looks weird and/or difficult, it's because it's not taught in a way that makes it understood as normal. Also, I'm assuming [list implode] would accept and process a list at the left inlet, unlike [s2l] (which passes the 1st element to the right inlet). I don't understand. Wouldn't [list implode] correspond to [l2s], whereas [list explode] would correspond to [s2l]. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] tkwidgets
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at; pd-list pd-list@iem.at; João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2011 1:33 PM Subject: Re: [PD] [PD-dev] tkwidgets On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: If you spent the same amount of time working on DD as you do writing about how DD works, you could spend a lot less time writing about how DD works, and a lot more time working on DD. :) Do you think that it would be enough for getting anywhere ? Actually the problem I reported to you about the audio not working was on my end. So if the audio works, and the iemguis are functional, the main problem looks like the subpatch zombies/gop stuff (which I'm sure is not easy to solve). There are several small bugs on the tcl/tk side that I think I could fix easily. And if you set aside the tkzinc stuff for the time being, it looks like a lot of the functionality is already there. It's just that I made a list of improvements I'd like to add to Pd, and nearly all of them are there in some degree of a functioning state in DD. At the very least, would you be interested in throwing it up on github or somewhere? (I'm not even sure if I'm using the latest release.) -Jonathan ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] tkwidgets
2011/9/4 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, András Murányi wrote: Hold on... When Matju talks about how DD works it's *almost* like backporting from DD to Pd, and in this sense it's historic. And because of the incompatible licenses, it might be the only way to port from DD to Pd. Pst...! :O) So, what are the licenses of DesireData ? It's not like you really looked. It's similar: I remembered. See the whole thread: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2010-10/083326.html So, my point was: instead of arriving once every year to this point of oh it's not compatible licenses / oh they are / oh noone asked me / etc) and then going no further, it is actually pretty cool that you tell how things are in DD and why, and someone who understands it might go and code it up. This way any *possible* license incompatibilities, many *possible* bugs, and *possible* virii/malware are filtered out. The last one was a joke. Andras The server-side changes are under the same BSD license as Pd. And no-one ever asked me for any license-change of any part of the client-side. It's not like anyone ever tried. __**__** ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
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To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at;
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On 2011-09-03 22:47, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
- Original Message -
From: Mathieu Bouchardma...@artengine.ca
To: Jonathan Wilkesjancs...@yahoo.com
Cc: Chris McCormickch...@mccormick.cx; Miller
Puckettem...@ucsd.edu; pd-list@iem.atpd-list@iem.at
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Subject: Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in
a text file
On Wed, 31 Aug 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote:
Keep in mind that [list implode] must be smart enough to output
the float
atom 12 given the input 49 50. If it
gives you
symbol 12 then your
back to the [makefilename] madness from my original vanilla
solution.
It's not that simple.
It needs to be that simple for the general case because Pd Vanilla has no
(sensible) mechanism to convert
a symbol atom into a float.
If symbol atoms which look like numbers to the naked eye are going to start
flying around more freely in Pd
then the docs need to explain how atoms are a kind of weird file cabinet
where the label on the cabinet tells
you which file-folder inside actually holds the data. So if you send the
symbol-atom 15 to [max], the file clerk will
complain because it's looking for a number but the label on the cabinet
says A_SYMBOL. (Additionally, if you tell
the clerk to ignore the label and just pull out a number, the clerk will
look in A_FLOAT and give you a 0, because
the 15 is in the A_SYMBOL file-folder.)
Hm... is there a way you can tell the clerk to be a real go-getter when
looking for a float atom inside a
cabined labeled A_SYMBOL by just going ahead and seeing if the
data in the A_SYMBOL file-folder looks like a
number, and if so convert it to a float and send it on its way?
Any external can do that easily enough if it wants to by using sscanf with a
format string:
int symbol_to_float (t_atom *atom, t_float *afloat)
{
int n;
n = sscanf(atom-a_w.w_symbol-s_name, %f, afloat);
return n; /* afloat is valid if n is 1 */
}
But there are more ways of writing numbers than a single sscanf call can
handle,
so a real version would have to check all the expected input styles.
The function pd_defaultsymbol in m_class.c is the default symbol handler for
objects that have no explicit symbol method. It could check to see if a
non-default float method exists and if so try to convert the symbol to a
float
for the float method to eat.
Right-- at that point it's already just going to output an error anyway.
Martin
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Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx; Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: It needs to be that simple for the general case because Pd Vanilla has no (sensible) mechanism to convert a symbol atom into a float. Then it needs a sensible mechanism to convert a symbol atom into a float. Yes, it does. But if there were one, it'd still be nice to have the default be float atoms come out, and maybe a flag or a different creator name for outputting all symbols. (Like [symbol explode]?) If symbol atoms which look like numbers to the naked eye are going to start flying around more freely in Pd then the docs need to explain how atoms are a kind of weird file cabinet where the label on the cabinet tells you which file-folder inside actually holds the data. That's called a union or a variant record type or an «any» type or a sum-type or whatever else. If it looks weird and/or difficult, it's because it's not taught in a way that makes it understood as normal. I think the problem is it's not explicitly taught at all. Also, I'm assuming [list implode] would accept and process a list at the left inlet, unlike [s2l] (which passes the 1st element to the right inlet). I don't understand. Wouldn't [list implode] correspond to [l2s], whereas [list explode] would correspond to [s2l]. That's right, I wrote the wrong one. I have a bad habit of getting opposites mixed up-- if I'm not careful I'll create a [max] to output the greater of two numbers. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:33 AM, Chris McCormick wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:19:46PM -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: I am in favour of having that functionality as part of [list] and those names look good to me. For the functionality you describe maybe something like [list ascii2symbol] and [list symbol2ascii]? Those would also be pretty useful! I am currently making a [split] abstraction based on Jamie's work. I will send it through when I am done - or you can just look at symbol2list's source which IOhannes has re-licensed in a message to this list for use in Pd: hmm... another possibility, as in lisp: list explode and list implode ? Also good! My idea is that, once this is in Pd vanilla, the 2/3 - 2 3 type of split is easy enough to program in an abstraction, but it's presently not possible at all; meanwhile, the funtionality I'm describing is pretty canonical and hard to split up into finer components in any way I can see. Ah, ok, so you could do: bat/cat/rat - 98 97 116 47 99 97 116 47 114 97 116 and then you would run through the number list finding 47 (/) and re-building the separate symbols using the reverse operation. I guess this would be cool because it would also allow you to store proper strings with all kinds of characters in regular Pd arrays, which might be fun. Hmmm, also many other things! easy enough to program in an abstraction, but it's presently not possible at all; After looking at Jonathan's ratio splitting abstraction I think this might actually be possible with [makefilename] madness, but it's much uglier than what you propose: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2011-08/090196.html Definitely check out Bryan Jurish's moocow with its bytes2any and any2bytes. They work quite nicely for converting between messages and lists of byte floats and are easy to use. .hc Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sep 4, 2011, at 2:01 PM, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: - Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx; Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu ; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2011 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file On Sat, 3 Sep 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: It needs to be that simple for the general case because Pd Vanilla has no (sensible) mechanism to convert a symbol atom into a float. Then it needs a sensible mechanism to convert a symbol atom into a float. Yes, it does. But if there were one, it'd still be nice to have the default be float atoms come out, and maybe a flag or a different creator name for outputting all symbols. (Like [symbol explode]?) Its more than just methods for converting, there needs to be a type system which includes the possibility that 43 can be a symbol. Pd's type system is meant to be anything that can be intepreted as a number is a float, everything else is a symbol. See this for definitions: http://puredata.info/dev/PdDefinitions So given that is the type system, how do you represent 43 as a symbol? No matter the techniques for converting anything to a symbol, it'll remain confusing to use these symbols unless this is resolved. One possibility is to do a more duck-typing approach. For something that accepts only symbols, it'll happily accept 43 as a symbol. For something that only accept floats, it'll convert the symbol 43 to 43 and accept it as a float. The question here is how to handle it when something expects both floats and symbols. As far as implementing this, we could add to the t_symbol struct a flag to say whether it can be read as a float, and store the float value there too. This would open the door to making arbitrary symbol making really easy, something like: [symbol 43( or [symbol 43] .hc If symbol atoms which look like numbers to the naked eye are going to start flying around more freely in Pd then the docs need to explain how atoms are a kind of weird file cabinet where the label on the cabinet tells you which file-folder inside actually holds the data. That's called a union or a variant record type or an «any» type or a sum-type or whatever else. If it looks weird and/or difficult, it's because it's not taught in a way that makes it understood as normal. I think the problem is it's not explicitly taught at all. Also, I'm assuming [list implode] would accept and process a list at the left inlet, unlike [s2l] (which passes the 1st element to the right inlet). I don't understand. Wouldn't [list implode] correspond to [l2s], whereas [list explode] would correspond to [s2l]. That's right, I wrote the wrong one. I have a bad habit of getting opposites mixed up-- if I'm not careful I'll create a [max] to output the greater of two numbers. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list [W]e have invented the technology to eliminate scarcity, but we are deliberately throwing it away to benefit those who profit from scarcity.-John Gilmore ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Gem VJ Tutorial patches
hello, here are the links to the max neupert's tutorials http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Audiovideo http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Bewegungsmelder 2011/8/24 Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu Hey I am soliciting examples for entry level GEM patches that work on linux/windows and OSX that show how to mix a video or react to sound. I recall a set of them called Begenswelder? That had a real good example for a sound reactive GEM patch but I cannot find it in my files, Please refresh my memory and as I asked anyone who has a simple patch(s) for understanding GEM or Vjing that works cross platform would be greatly appreciated. I have a few but I am trying to expand my cross platform examples. Thanks in advance pp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] importing / using large equation into expr command
Thanks for the information. I've been able to find instructions on how to create a hello world C-external but not one that does a simple sinewave equation like A*sin(w*t+p) ( https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Sine_wave) Does anyone have one or know where to find one. It makes sense to make a C external and create inputs for the values of frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset. That way I can feed/control those values with a midi controller or a table/array in PureData. Thanks On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: A .pd file is a text file, so you can just open your Pd patch in a text editor, and paste in the equation. But honestly with something that big, I think making a C external might be easier in the long run. .hc On Sep 4, 2011, at 9:22 AM, Rick T wrote: Greetings All I have 2 large equations that I would like to use with the expr command. Is it possible to import a text file into the expr command? Here's an example of one of the 2 equations http://dl.dropbox.com/u/6576402/questions/eq1.txt Basically it's a 1 second periodic signal with sample rate at 44100 which the equation gives me control over the frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset I do have the ability to create a wave (audio) file of the equation first and import the wave file into PureDate, but will I have the same control over the frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset that the equation gives me?. If you want to know what I'm creating. 1) The first option will import a text file into a table/array that will control the variables of the equations that will vary frequency,amplitude,phase and vertical offset over time. 2) The second option will allow the variables to be controllable/variable using a midi controller and it's audio signal played I know Puredata can do this very well with small equations and the expr command but using large equations I'm not sure. Also if I should be doing this in a different way please let me know I'm always willing to learn something new. Thanks -- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list If nature has made any one thing less susceptible than all others of exclusive property, it is the action of the thinking power called an idea, which an individual may exclusively possess as long as he keeps it to himself; but the moment it is divulged, it forces itself into the possession of everyone, and the receiver cannot dispossess himself of it.- Thomas Jefferson ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Gem VJ Tutorial patches
Here's a basic video/example using GEM and Puredata.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XyS2M0mM5iA
On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 8:39 AM, stéfan piat stefanp...@gmail.com wrote:
hello,
here are the links to the max neupert's tutorials
http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Audiovideo
http://www.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Bewegungsmelder
2011/8/24 Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu
Hey
I am soliciting examples for entry level GEM patches that work on
linux/windows and OSX that show how to mix a video or react to sound. I
recall a set of them called Begenswelder? That had a real good example for
a sound reactive GEM patch but I cannot find it in my files, Please
refresh my memory and as I asked anyone who has a simple patch(s) for
understanding GEM or Vjing that works cross platform would be greatly
appreciated. I have a few but I am trying to expand my cross platform
examples.
Thanks in advance
pp
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Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: That's right, I wrote the wrong one. I have a bad habit of getting opposites mixed up-- if I'm not careful I'll create a [max] to output the greater of two numbers. [max] does output the greater of two numbers. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sun, 2011-09-04 at 14:23 -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Aug 31, 2011, at 2:33 AM, Chris McCormick wrote: On Tue, Aug 30, 2011 at 11:19:46PM -0700, Miller Puckette wrote: I am in favour of having that functionality as part of [list] and those names look good to me. For the functionality you describe maybe something like [list ascii2symbol] and [list symbol2ascii]? Those would also be pretty useful! I am currently making a [split] abstraction based on Jamie's work. I will send it through when I am done - or you can just look at symbol2list's source which IOhannes has re-licensed in a message to this list for use in Pd: hmm... another possibility, as in lisp: list explode and list implode ? Also good! My idea is that, once this is in Pd vanilla, the 2/3 - 2 3 type of split is easy enough to program in an abstraction, but it's presently not possible at all; meanwhile, the funtionality I'm describing is pretty canonical and hard to split up into finer components in any way I can see. Ah, ok, so you could do: bat/cat/rat - 98 97 116 47 99 97 116 47 114 97 116 and then you would run through the number list finding 47 (/) and re-building the separate symbols using the reverse operation. I guess this would be cool because it would also allow you to store proper strings with all kinds of characters in regular Pd arrays, which might be fun. Hmmm, also many other things! easy enough to program in an abstraction, but it's presently not possible at all; After looking at Jonathan's ratio splitting abstraction I think this might actually be possible with [makefilename] madness, but it's much uglier than what you propose: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2011-08/090196.html Definitely check out Bryan Jurish's moocow with its bytes2any and any2bytes. They work quite nicely for converting between messages and lists of byte floats and are easy to use. I made a vanilla abstraction similar to [byte2any] based on the aforementioned [makefilename] madness. Just for the sake of this discussion. Check the attachment. Roman byte2string.tar.gz Description: application/compressed-tar ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended 0.43 windows 7 installation
- Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at a écrit : AH, this is probably due to using gcc 4.5 now in the new MinGW build. Yes there are several changes with new mingw, we have to replace -lpthreadGC2 with -lpthread in makefiles, but there still is the need for adding libpthread-2.dll, I didn't find out how to have it statically. We could also include libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll in Pd-extended. Patrice, do you know which is the better route? Including the dll or using -static- libgcc? Well, after that there will also be libstdc++, so adding -static-libgcc -static-libstdc++ to LDFLAGS (not CFLAGS :D), or LIBS flags in makefile.mingw will resolve this error, isn't it better to add the flag than copying the dll? .hc On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:54 AM, Patrice Colet wrote: Hello, where did you get pd-extended installation from? adding -static-libgcc to CFLAGS in win32 build farm should resolve this problem. - ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi List Sony Vaio, intel i3-370 2.4 Im trying to install pd-extended 0.43 on windows 7 on a new machine, however when I run the application I get the following error The program can't start because libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing from you computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem. I thought it could be because I didnt have mingw installed (GNU Compiler Collection)- but installing it doesn't solve the issue? If any one has any advice on reolsing this and running PD would be grateful :0 Thanks All ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx; Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2011 3:14 PM Subject: Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: That's right, I wrote the wrong one. I have a bad habit of getting opposites mixed up-- if I'm not careful I'll create a [max] to output the greater of two numbers. [max] does output the greater of two numbers. Ha! Then my _misunderstanding_ is that [max 5] = make 5 the maximum value that can come out of the outlet. I have to open the help file every time I use [min] [max] to see which is the real behavior, and which the figment of my imagination. -Jonathan ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca [max] does output the greater of two numbers. Ha! Then my _misunderstanding_ is that [max 5] = make 5 the maximum value that can come out of the outlet. I have to open the help file every time I use [min] [max] to see which is the real behavior, and which the figment of my imagination. It's the same max and min as in math textbooks and as in a bunch of programming languages and libraries. http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/algorithm/max/ http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/Max.html http://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.29/glib-Standard-Macros.html#MAX:CAPS http://www.tutorialspoint.com/python/number_min.htm http://www.ruby-doc.org/core/classes/Enumerable.html#M001504 http://php.net/manual/en/function.max.php etc I don't recall ever seeing any language or library swap the meaning of min and max. It seems to be very standard. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended 0.43 windows 7 installation
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Patrice Colet wrote: Yes there are several changes with new mingw, we have to replace -lpthreadGC2 with -lpthread in makefiles, Cool, that's a good thing : one less difference between MinGW and Linux/OSX. Well, after that there will also be libstdc++, so adding -static-libgcc -static-libstdc++ to LDFLAGS (not CFLAGS :D), or LIBS flags in makefile.mingw will resolve this error, isn't it better to add the flag than copying the dll? -static-libstdc++ is not in gcc in Ubuntu 10.10 (« gcc version 4.4.5 (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.4.4-14ubuntu5) ») Is it a MinGW-only feature ? It sounds like it could be useful in Linux too, if I'm not mistaken. E.g. could it solve the libstdc++ problem that we were having with Gem, GridFlow, ATI drivers, and perhaps some other drivers or libs ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
- Original Message - From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca To: Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com Cc: Chris McCormick ch...@mccormick.cx; Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu; pd-list@iem.at pd-list@iem.at Sent: Sunday, September 4, 2011 4:07 PM Subject: Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca [max] does output the greater of two numbers. Ha! Then my _misunderstanding_ is that [max 5] = make 5 the maximum value that can come out of the outlet. I have to open the help file every time I use [min] [max] to see which is the real behavior, and which the figment of my imagination. It's the same max and min as in math textbooks and as in a bunch of programming languages and libraries. http://www.cplusplus.com/reference/algorithm/max/ http://reference.wolfram.com/mathematica/ref/Max.html http://developer.gnome.org/glib/2.29/glib-Standard-Macros.html#MAX:CAPS http://www.tutorialspoint.com/python/number_min.htm http://www.ruby-doc.org/core/classes/Enumerable.html#M001504 http://php.net/manual/en/function.max.php etc I don't recall ever seeing any language or library swap the meaning of min and max. It seems to be very standard. Why would any of them swap it? It should be standard, and Pd does it the standard way. But there's a reason I get confused by Pd's max and min objects and not by the syntax of those other languages: Pd's syntax stands out against all those examples because it is the only one that explicitly shows only a single argument after the function name. So while I could write the Pd syntax as max y, it really means something more like max(x, y) where x is visually represented by a small black rectangle to the top left of the word max. When I type max 15 in a box, it seems quite logical for my brain to interpret that as maximum is 15, since I'm used to reading left to right and don't see any value but 15 written in the box. That's why I always have to open the help patch to remind myself how it works. There's no such confusion when more than one argument is present, which is why, for example, I never have to check expr-help.pd when using its max function. -Jonathan ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: One possibility is to do a more duck-typing approach. For something that accepts only symbols, it'll happily accept 43 as a symbol. For something that only accept floats, it'll convert the symbol 43 to 43 and accept it as a float. The question here is how to handle it when something expects both floats and symbols. As far as implementing this, we could add to the t_symbol struct a flag to say whether it can be read as a float, and store the float value there too. Duck-typing isn't about conversions... Duck-typing is that a float-like thing is anything that «behaves» as a float. Thus, for any atom-type that could be considered float-like, there needs to be a set of functions that apply to any float-like thing. The term Duck-typing was invented to talk about certain cases of hiding the implementation of something, especially the idea that inheritance and type-checking don't matter as long as the type you want to use has the appropriate functions attached to it. The duck-typing term only applies to things for which you can attach functions (methods) to types. Thus it can apply to pd objects, but not to pd atoms... t_atomtype isn't similar to t_class... there are no tables of functions to be used for different situations on different atomtypes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_typing In Pd, duck-typing happens with the dsp and loadbang methods, in which from the standpoint of pd, a dsp-object is any object that has a dsp-method, and a loadbang-object is any object that has a loadbang-method, without any further declarations that might explicitly mean « this class is in the DSPObject (or Loadbangable) category » or anything similar. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Jonathan Wilkes wrote: From: Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca I don't recall ever seeing any language or library swap the meaning of min and max. It seems to be very standard. Why would any of them swap it? Well, I figured that given that it's a very common confusion for people learning pd, it would not be surprising if there were programming languages (or libraries) that named them the other way around... yet I haven't ever found any. Pd's syntax stands out against all those examples because it is the only one that explicitly shows only a single argument after the function name. So while I could write the Pd syntax as max y, it really means something more like max(x, y) where x is visually represented by a small black rectangle to the top left of the word max. There are other examples where there aren't two args after the function name (apart those that allow variable number of args). But I haven't listed any. Smalltalk has infix min and max written like : x := 10 max: 20. where max: is the selector, and 10 is the receiver. Forth (and related) takes its arguments before the name of the function. Currying means that you can pass to a function only part of the args, and in that case you get another function that takes the rest of the args, and you can pass that function around or store it. It's available in several language families. this can mean that you can do stuff like : foo = max(10) print foo(20) as an alternate form of print max(10,20) which means you can also do it like print max(10)(20) but the useful uses of this feature involve storing foo or passing it around. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard tél: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montréal, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended 0.43 windows 7 installation
On Sep 4, 2011, at 3:29 PM, Patrice Colet wrote: - Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at a écrit : AH, this is probably due to using gcc 4.5 now in the new MinGW build. Yes there are several changes with new mingw, we have to replace - lpthreadGC2 with -lpthread in makefiles, but there still is the need for adding libpthread-2.dll, I didn't find out how to have it statically. For the build machine, I also built the old pthreadGC2.dll to make the transition easier. So both -lpthreadGC2 and -lpthread will work on the nightly auto-builds. We could also include libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll in Pd-extended. Patrice, do you know which is the better route? Including the dll or using -static- libgcc? Well, after that there will also be libstdc++, so adding -static- libgcc -static-libstdc++ to LDFLAGS (not CFLAGS :D), or LIBS flags in makefile.mingw will resolve this error, isn't it better to add the flag than copying the dll? Part of the assembly process of Pd-extended in packages/win32_inno/ Makefile already copies quite a few DLLs, so adding a couple more is really easy. I'd just do that, unless there was a problem with that approach. .hc .hc On Sep 4, 2011, at 7:54 AM, Patrice Colet wrote: Hello, where did you get pd-extended installation from? adding -static-libgcc to CFLAGS in win32 build farm should resolve this problem. - ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.com a écrit : Hi List Sony Vaio, intel i3-370 2.4 Im trying to install pd-extended 0.43 on windows 7 on a new machine, however when I run the application I get the following error The program can't start because libgcc_s_dw2-1.dll is missing from you computer. Try reinstalling the program to fix this problem. I thought it could be because I didnt have mingw installed (GNU Compiler Collection)- but installing it doesn't solve the issue? If any one has any advice on reolsing this and running PD would be grateful :0 Thanks All ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Patrice Colet ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams -- Patrice Colet Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder. - Chris McCormick ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sep 4, 2011, at 4:55 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 4 Sep 2011, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: One possibility is to do a more duck-typing approach. For something that accepts only symbols, it'll happily accept 43 as a symbol. For something that only accept floats, it'll convert the symbol 43 to 43 and accept it as a float. The question here is how to handle it when something expects both floats and symbols. As far as implementing this, we could add to the t_symbol struct a flag to say whether it can be read as a float, and store the float value there too. Duck-typing isn't about conversions... Duck-typing is that a float-like thing is anything that «behaves» as a float. Thus, for any atom-type that could be considered float- like, there needs to be a set of functions that apply to any float- like thing. The term Duck-typing was invented to talk about certain cases of hiding the implementation of something, especially the idea that inheritance and type-checking don't matter as long as the type you want to use has the appropriate functions attached to it. The duck-typing term only applies to things for which you can attach functions (methods) to types. Thus it can apply to pd objects, but not to pd atoms... t_atomtype isn't similar to t_class... there are no tables of functions to be used for different situations on different atomtypes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duck_typing In Pd, duck-typing happens with the dsp and loadbang methods, in which from the standpoint of pd, a dsp-object is any object that has a dsp-method, and a loadbang-object is any object that has a loadbang-method, without any further declarations that might explicitly mean « this class is in the DSPObject (or Loadbangable) category » or anything similar. I think you are missing the point of what I am saying. I am not saying with we implement a strict duck typing mimicing Ruby or Python. I am saying we can be inspired by that. Pd is not OOP, so trying to force it into an OOP structure does not make sense. So in the sense of Pd, anything that can be intepreted as a number should be. But that's in conflict with having symbols that have things that can be intepreted as a number. So make Pd consistent, either it needs to be illegal to have symbols that can be interpreted as a number, or maybe symbols that can be interpreted as a number behave like a float when something is expecting a float. .hc Programs should be written for people to read, and only incidentally for machines to execute. - from Structure and Interpretation of Computer Programs ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] (breaking symbols) was Re: find a list of numbers in a text file
On Sun, Sep 04, 2011 at 02:23:59PM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: After looking at Jonathan's ratio splitting abstraction I think this might actually be possible with [makefilename] madness, but it's much uglier than what you propose: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2011-08/090196.html Definitely check out Bryan Jurish's moocow with its bytes2any and any2bytes. They work quite nicely for converting between messages and lists of byte floats and are easy to use. I only want to use externals that I can guarantee every user who I distribute my patches to will have, or can easily get, including people on mobile devices. Do those externals compile with your Makefile-template? Cheers, Chris. --- http://mccormick.cx ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
