Re: [PD] Routing MIDI on windows machines?

2012-10-29 Thread Björn Eriksson
Thanks, looks promising. I will test them both!

http://www.maplemidi.com/Maple_driver.html
http://www.nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html

I used MIDI yoke long time ago but it seems that it is not updated any
more for newer windows os.


The MIDI router question is for recommendations for students of mine.
I run also Ubuntu sometimes but never or very seldom OSX. Maybe it
could be something to have on Pd web site with some recommendations
about this as I guess it is something that many new users wants to
start exploring - to use Pd as a MIDI engine for other softwares!?

So to extend a little what is the best MIDI routers (in general) for

-Linux

-OS X

?


All the best,
Björn


On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Pagano, Patrick
p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote:
 Windows 7 use midi maple I think or loopbe

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 28, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Björn Eriksson miu...@gmail.com wrote:

 This might be very obvious, but has someone a good open source
 suggestion for routing MIDI between Pd and other applications on a
 windows machine?
 Is JACK the alternative to go for? I bet there is a lot of hits if I
 google it, but I prefer to raise this question here...

 Happy for any hints!

 /Björn Eriksson

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Re: [PD] Routing MIDI on windows machines?

2012-10-29 Thread Pierre-Olivier Boulant

Hi,

Despite the warnings, midiYoke and midiOx both work with Windows vista 
and 7, either 32bits and 64 bits. No problem what so ever here.


Cheers
Pierre-Olivier


On 29/10/2012 07:04, Björn Eriksson wrote:

Thanks, looks promising. I will test them both!

http://www.maplemidi.com/Maple_driver.html
http://www.nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html

I used MIDI yoke long time ago but it seems that it is not updated any
more for newer windows os.


The MIDI router question is for recommendations for students of mine.
I run also Ubuntu sometimes but never or very seldom OSX. Maybe it
could be something to have on Pd web site with some recommendations
about this as I guess it is something that many new users wants to
start exploring - to use Pd as a MIDI engine for other softwares!?

So to extend a little what is the best MIDI routers (in general) for

-Linux

-OS X

?


All the best,
Björn


On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 3:34 AM, Pagano, Patrick
p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote:

Windows 7 use midi maple I think or loopbe

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 28, 2012, at 6:38 PM, Björn Eriksson miu...@gmail.com wrote:


This might be very obvious, but has someone a good open source
suggestion for routing MIDI between Pd and other applications on a
windows machine?
Is JACK the alternative to go for? I bet there is a lot of hits if I
google it, but I prefer to raise this question here...

Happy for any hints!

/Björn Eriksson



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Re: [PD] array modification, segmented lines

2012-10-29 Thread Julian Brooks
Hi Peiman,

I'm not exactly sure what it is you're looking for but I can definitely
highly recommend William Brent's 'tabletool' for array manipulations.

http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html

(scroll down a bit).

Cheers,

Julian



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 Dear all,

 Are there any messages to draw functions of segmented lines (ideally with
 different types of interpolations) inside an array? Or does one need to
 create this manually by writing each array index?

 So I would like to be able to define segments by providing lists of
 start_position, segment_length, end_position.

 Many Thanks
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Re: [PD] array modification, segmented lines

2012-10-29 Thread Julian Brooks
No problem, his stuff's great.

On 29 October 2012 10:19, peiman khosravi peimankhosr...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Julian,

 I found a hack for what I had in mind. But wow, this is amazing. I was in
 fact looking for something like this.

 Thanks
 Peiman


 On 29 October 2012 09:21, Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Peiman,

 I'm not exactly sure what it is you're looking for but I can definitely
 highly recommend William Brent's 'tabletool' for array manipulations.

 http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html

 (scroll down a bit).

 Cheers,

 Julian



 On 27 October 2012 23:17, peiman khosravi peimankhosr...@gmail.comwrote:

 Dear all,

 Are there any messages to draw functions of segmented lines (ideally
 with different types of interpolations) inside an array? Or does one need
 to create this manually by writing each array index?

 So I would like to be able to define segments by providing lists of
 start_position, segment_length, end_position.

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Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?

2012-10-29 Thread katja
Hello Sebastian,

Couple of years ago I tried to use a bluetooth stereo device for
wireless monitoring in Pd. Nice thing about OSX is you can create an
'Aggregated Device' in 'Audio MIDI Setup' to include the bluetooth
stereo to the regular sound card and use the extra channels in Pd.
However, I soon found that bluetooth stereo had over half a second
latency, so it was not useful for my purpose of monitoring. Besides
that, bluetooth audio pairing was really a pain in OSX (back then at
least).

Another thing, when connecting a phone as bluetooth device to MacBook,
I see the following services: Dial-up Networking, Human interface
device, OBEX File Transfer, OBEX Object Push. None of these makes the
phone available as an extra audio interface. No way to capture it's
audio in Pd, like it can be done with bluetooth headsets.

With WIFI-enabled cell phones there may be better possibilities, using
Skype or similar, and route audio to Pd with Jack or Soundflower.

Katja



On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Sebastian Valenzuela
svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hey everyone,

 I know this is a longshot, and most likely not the best place to ask this 
 sort of question, but maybe you can point me in the right direction. I'm 
 working on an art installation which requires the interception of phone 
 conversations to be sent to my macbook and manipulated in Pd. Willing 
 participants would connect their phones (via bluetooth?) to my computer and 
 all audio would be streamed to my laptop in real time and routed into Pd. I 
 realize one could just connect their phones to their laptops via an 8th inch 
 TRS cable and an audio interface... but the idea is to make this connection 
 wirelessly.

 Any ideas? Anything would be helpful.

 Thank you for your time,
 Sebastian

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 Composer - Performer
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Re: [PD] Routing MIDI on windows machines?

2012-10-29 Thread brandt


maybe this one?

http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/software/loopmidi.html

cheers

Zitat von Björn Eriksson miu...@gmail.com:


This might be very obvious, but has someone a good open source
suggestion for routing MIDI between Pd and other applications on a
windows machine?
Is JACK the alternative to go for? I bet there is a lot of hits if I
google it, but I prefer to raise this question here...

Happy for any hints!

/Björn Eriksson

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Re: [PD] Routing MIDI on windows machines?

2012-10-29 Thread Dan Wilcox
There is also loopMIDI http://www.tobias-erichsen.de/loopMIDI.html which works 
pretty well with what testing I've done on Win 7 with OpenFrameworks + ofxMidi 
(uses RtMidi).

On Oct 29, 2012, at 7:00 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:

 From: Pierre-Olivier Boulant po.boul...@free.fr
 Subject: Re: [PD] Routing MIDI on windows machines?
 Date: October 29, 2012 3:24:44 AM EDT
 To: Pd - list pd-list@iem.at
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Despite the warnings, midiYoke and midiOx both work with Windows vista and 7, 
 either 32bits and 64 bits. No problem what so ever here.
 
 Cheers
 Pierre-Olivier


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Re: [PD] Routing MIDI on windows machines?

2012-10-29 Thread Dan Wilcox
For Mac, I set up custom IAC in/out ports for PureData and use Midi Patchbay to 
connect other apps to them.

On Linux, there is always aconnect  aconnectgui or, if you're using jack, 
qjackctl.

On Oct 29, 2012, at 2:05 AM, pd-list-requ...@iem.at wrote:

 From: Björn Eriksson miu...@gmail.com
 Subject: Re: [PD] Routing MIDI on windows machines?
 Date: October 29, 2012 2:04:43 AM EDT
 To: Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu, Pd - list pd-list@iem.at
 
 
 Thanks, looks promising. I will test them both!
 
 http://www.maplemidi.com/Maple_driver.html
 http://www.nerds.de/en/loopbe1.html
 
 I used MIDI yoke long time ago but it seems that it is not updated any
 more for newer windows os.
 
 
 The MIDI router question is for recommendations for students of mine.
 I run also Ubuntu sometimes but never or very seldom OSX. Maybe it
 could be something to have on Pd web site with some recommendations
 about this as I guess it is something that many new users wants to
 start exploring - to use Pd as a MIDI engine for other softwares!?
 
 So to extend a little what is the best MIDI routers (in general) for
 
 -Linux
 
 -OS X
 
 ?
 
 
 All the best,
 Björn


Dan Wilcox
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robotcowboy.com




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[PD] Gem on win7 64 bit

2012-10-29 Thread Max
hi list,

i have a workshop and it seems that Pd-extended 0.42.5 urent© crashes when the 
create message is sent to gemwin on computers running windows 7 64 bit. is 
there a solution for it?

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[PD] blinky.at.or.at down

2012-10-29 Thread Max
i just wanted to check the new builds and test them but it seems the server is 
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Re: [PD] Gem on win7 64 bit

2012-10-29 Thread Py Fave
it works here. less stable than on linux but works

i have to check sound inputs (if ps3eye is connected it crashes..
don't know why)

i suggest you go for gem 93.3 .
and right click pd.exe/ properties
execute in compatibility mode for xp sp3 and as administrator.

some objects remain unstable (text2d an text3d, pix_video)

but it basically works.

on linux i have much better stability.











2012/10/29 Max abonneme...@revolwear.com:
 hi list,

 i have a workshop and it seems that Pd-extended 0.42.5 urent© crashes when 
 the create message is sent to gemwin on computers running windows 7 64 bit. 
 is there a solution for it?

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Re: [PD] Gem on win7 64 bit

2012-10-29 Thread Max
Am 29.10.2012 um 16:18 schrieb Py Fave pyf...@gmail.com:

 it works here. less stable than on linux but works
 
 i have to check sound inputs (if ps3eye is connected it crashes..
 don't know why)
 
 i suggest you go for gem 93.3 .

ok we did that and it's the same problem still.

 and right click pd.exe/ properties
 execute in compatibility mode for xp sp3 and as administrator.

we did that too and it stil crashes
it is win 7 pro 64 bit and has the newest quicktime installed.
any other suggestion than switching to linux?


 some objects remain unstable (text2d an text3d, pix_video)
 
 but it basically works.
 
 on linux i have much better stability.
 
 
 
 2012/10/29 Max abonneme...@revolwear.com:
 hi list,
 
 i have a workshop and it seems that Pd-extended 0.42.5 urent© crashes when 
 the create message is sent to gemwin on computers running windows 7 64 bit. 
 is there a solution for it?
 
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Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?

2012-10-29 Thread Simon Iten
I think the obvious way to do this is to hack a Bluetooth headset. You
could attach the headset with cables to an existing audiointerface...
The user just connects to a regular headset.
On Oct 29, 2012 12:56 PM, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Sebastian,

 Couple of years ago I tried to use a bluetooth stereo device for
 wireless monitoring in Pd. Nice thing about OSX is you can create an
 'Aggregated Device' in 'Audio MIDI Setup' to include the bluetooth
 stereo to the regular sound card and use the extra channels in Pd.
 However, I soon found that bluetooth stereo had over half a second
 latency, so it was not useful for my purpose of monitoring. Besides
 that, bluetooth audio pairing was really a pain in OSX (back then at
 least).

 Another thing, when connecting a phone as bluetooth device to MacBook,
 I see the following services: Dial-up Networking, Human interface
 device, OBEX File Transfer, OBEX Object Push. None of these makes the
 phone available as an extra audio interface. No way to capture it's
 audio in Pd, like it can be done with bluetooth headsets.

 With WIFI-enabled cell phones there may be better possibilities, using
 Skype or similar, and route audio to Pd with Jack or Soundflower.

 Katja



 On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Sebastian Valenzuela
 svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hey everyone,
 
  I know this is a longshot, and most likely not the best place to ask
 this sort of question, but maybe you can point me in the right direction.
 I'm working on an art installation which requires the interception of phone
 conversations to be sent to my macbook and manipulated in Pd. Willing
 participants would connect their phones (via bluetooth?) to my computer and
 all audio would be streamed to my laptop in real time and routed into Pd. I
 realize one could just connect their phones to their laptops via an 8th
 inch TRS cable and an audio interface... but the idea is to make this
 connection wirelessly.
 
  Any ideas? Anything would be helpful.
 
  Thank you for your time,
  Sebastian
 
  --
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  Composer - Performer
  svalenzuelamusic.wix.com/home
  youtube.com/svalenzuelamusic
 
 
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Re: [PD] blinky.at.or.at down

2012-10-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

Should be back up.

.hc

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Re: [PD] [PD-announce] Pd-extended 0.43.4 beta release, its, almost done!

2012-10-29 Thread Isaac Thompson

This happens to me too on OS X, but only with Portaudio!
Using Jack everything's normal.
Thanks

Hello all,

Any idea about that?
Should I fill the bugtracker?
It really prevents me from using the 0.43 version under osx.
I'd like to know if it's for all osx user like that.

Thanks in advance,
best,
n



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Re: [PD] blinky.at.or.at down

2012-10-29 Thread Max
hm. it still doesn't work for me - is that my connection? IRC isn't working for 
me either at the moment

Am 29.10.2012 um 17:11 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at:

 
 Should be back up.
 
 .hc
 
 On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Max wrote:
 
 i just wanted to check the new builds and test them but it seems the server 
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Re: [PD] blinky.at.or.at down

2012-10-29 Thread András Murányi
works for me...

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Max abonneme...@revolwear.com wrote:

 hm. it still doesn't work for me - is that my connection? IRC isn't
 working for me either at the moment

 Am 29.10.2012 um 17:11 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at:

 
  Should be back up.
 
  .hc
 
  On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Max wrote:
 
  i just wanted to check the new builds and test them but it seems the
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Re: [PD] blinky.at.or.at down

2012-10-29 Thread Max
hm. I need to be more precise:

blinky.at.or.at
works (Welcome to Your New Home in Cyberspace!) but

http://blinky.at.or.at:/auto-build/latest/
is not (time out)

Am 29.10.2012 um 18:04 schrieb András Murányi muran...@gmail.com:

 works for me...
 
 On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Max abonneme...@revolwear.com wrote:
 hm. it still doesn't work for me - is that my connection? IRC isn't working 
 for me either at the moment
 
 Am 29.10.2012 um 17:11 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at:
 
 
  Should be back up.
 
  .hc
 
  On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Max wrote:
 
  i just wanted to check the new builds and test them but it seems the 
  server is not available.
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Re: [PD] blinky.at.or.at down

2012-10-29 Thread András Murányi
Both work here.
A firewall on your side...?

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 5:11 PM, Max abonneme...@revolwear.com wrote:

 hm. I need to be more precise:

 blinky.at.or.at
 works (Welcome to Your New Home in Cyberspace!) but

 http://blinky.at.or.at:/auto-build/latest/
 is not (time out)

 Am 29.10.2012 um 18:04 schrieb András Murányi muran...@gmail.com:

  works for me...
 
  On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:59 PM, Max abonneme...@revolwear.com wrote:
  hm. it still doesn't work for me - is that my connection? IRC isn't
 working for me either at the moment
 
  Am 29.10.2012 um 17:11 schrieb Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at:
 
  
   Should be back up.
  
   .hc
  
   On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Max wrote:
  
   i just wanted to check the new builds and test them but it seems the
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Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?

2012-10-29 Thread katja
Sorry Sebastian, you did not read correctly. I had a bluetooth headset
included as a sound card in Aggregate Device, but not a phone. When I
connect a phone via bluetooth it can be used for data transfer but not
for audio.

Like Simon suggested, you could try connect a bluetooth headset's
output with cables to your computer sound card and have the user pair
with that bluetooth headset. Not sure if the phone's wired headset
would still function, it may be disabled when using bluetooth? Can't
check at the moment. I had a very cheap but functional BCK-08 from
dealextreme.com and a Jabra. Batteries of both are dead now after a
few years.

Katja



On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Sebastian Valenzuela
svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Katja,

 Thank you for your reply. I did find a way to SEND audio to my phone via a 
 wifi connection. A mac application called Airfoil allowed me to connect to my 
 android phone (using this app called AirBubble). What I need is to send 
 either the conversation happening on the phone to my computer or at least 
 send what the mic is picking up on the phone to the computer.

 I'm wondering if I read correctly - did you say you were able to do this by 
 turning your phone into an aggregate device, but that it had crazy latency? 
 For my purposes thats not as important really! Could you please tell me how 
 you did that?

 Best,
 Sebastian


 On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:52 AM, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Sebastian,

 Couple of years ago I tried to use a bluetooth stereo device for
 wireless monitoring in Pd. Nice thing about OSX is you can create an
 'Aggregated Device' in 'Audio MIDI Setup' to include the bluetooth
 stereo to the regular sound card and use the extra channels in Pd.
 However, I soon found that bluetooth stereo had over half a second
 latency, so it was not useful for my purpose of monitoring. Besides
 that, bluetooth audio pairing was really a pain in OSX (back then at
 least).

 Another thing, when connecting a phone as bluetooth device to MacBook,
 I see the following services: Dial-up Networking, Human interface
 device, OBEX File Transfer, OBEX Object Push. None of these makes the
 phone available as an extra audio interface. No way to capture it's
 audio in Pd, like it can be done with bluetooth headsets.

 With WIFI-enabled cell phones there may be better possibilities, using
 Skype or similar, and route audio to Pd with Jack or Soundflower.

 Katja



 On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Sebastian Valenzuela
 svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hey everyone,
 
  I know this is a longshot, and most likely not the best place to ask this 
  sort of question, but maybe you can point me in the right direction. I'm 
  working on an art installation which requires the interception of phone 
  conversations to be sent to my macbook and manipulated in Pd. Willing 
  participants would connect their phones (via bluetooth?) to my computer 
  and all audio would be streamed to my laptop in real time and routed into 
  Pd. I realize one could just connect their phones to their laptops via an 
  8th inch TRS cable and an audio interface... but the idea is to make this 
  connection wirelessly.
 
  Any ideas? Anything would be helpful.
 
  Thank you for your time,
  Sebastian
 
  --
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  Composer - Performer
  svalenzuelamusic.wix.com/home
  youtube.com/svalenzuelamusic
 
 
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Re: [PD] array modification, segmented lines

2012-10-29 Thread João Pais
or you can use my abstraction [jmmmp/arrayedit], included in pd-extended.  
look around between the several functions.



No problem, his stuff's great.

On 29 October 2012 10:19, peiman khosravi peimankhosr...@gmail.com  
wrote:



Hi Julian,

I found a hack for what I had in mind. But wow, this is amazing. I was  
in

fact looking for something like this.

Thanks
Peiman


On 29 October 2012 09:21, Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com wrote:


Hi Peiman,

I'm not exactly sure what it is you're looking for but I can definitely
highly recommend William Brent's 'tabletool' for array manipulations.

http://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html

(scroll down a bit).

Cheers,

Julian



On 27 October 2012 23:17, peiman khosravi  
peimankhosr...@gmail.comwrote:



Dear all,

Are there any messages to draw functions of segmented lines (ideally
with different types of interpolations) inside an array? Or does one  
need

to create this manually by writing each array index?

So I would like to be able to define segments by providing lists of
start_position, segment_length, end_position.

Many Thanks
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Re: [PD] array modification, segmented lines

2012-10-29 Thread peiman khosravi
Thank you very much.

I'm working on a table editor for Csound. Will send a working verison later
tonight. Still getting my head around pd (coming from max). Finding arrays
very nice to work with compared with max buffers!

Best,
Peiman

On 29 October 2012 18:13, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote:

 or you can use my abstraction [jmmmp/arrayedit], included in pd-extended.
 look around between the several functions.


  No problem, his stuff's great.

 On 29 October 2012 10:19, peiman khosravi peimankhosr...@gmail.com
 wrote:

  Hi Julian,

 I found a hack for what I had in mind. But wow, this is amazing. I was in
 fact looking for something like this.

 Thanks
 Peiman


 On 29 October 2012 09:21, Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com wrote:

  Hi Peiman,

 I'm not exactly sure what it is you're looking for but I can definitely
 highly recommend William Brent's 'tabletool' for array manipulations.

 http://williambrent.**conflations.com/pages/**research.htmlhttp://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html

 (scroll down a bit).

 Cheers,

 Julian



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[PD] MIDI and JACK autoconnection is a PITA...

2012-10-29 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier

hi *!


am i the only one who thinks that non-configurable autoconnection to 
jack and alsa-midi ports is a) wrong and b) a major pain in the ass?


is there a way to prevent pd from doing this? particularly in the alsa 
midi case, it's a really blatant misfeature, because in the presence of 
a software midi thru port, it will immediately create a parameter loop 
which will make any connected midi controller go wild and burn its motors.


my preferred behaviour would be no autoconnect at all. second best 
option is configurable auto-connect ports. i wonder what the rationale 
behind the current behaviour is? i mean, pd is all about drawing wires, 
so surely a pd user can be expected to be able to connect his/her audio 
and midi ports correctly?



best,


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Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?

2012-10-29 Thread Tyler Leavitt
I think the cleanest way would be to write an app that saves audio
conversations to a server, and then you can manipulate that saved audio
anyway you like from PD. I found a bunch of apps that save conversations on
SD card, but could not find any (in the limited searching I did) that have
the potion of saving the data on a web location.

Tyler

On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:06 AM, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote:

 Sorry Sebastian, you did not read correctly. I had a bluetooth headset
 included as a sound card in Aggregate Device, but not a phone. When I
 connect a phone via bluetooth it can be used for data transfer but not
 for audio.

 Like Simon suggested, you could try connect a bluetooth headset's
 output with cables to your computer sound card and have the user pair
 with that bluetooth headset. Not sure if the phone's wired headset
 would still function, it may be disabled when using bluetooth? Can't
 check at the moment. I had a very cheap but functional BCK-08 from
 dealextreme.com and a Jabra. Batteries of both are dead now after a
 few years.

 Katja



 On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Sebastian Valenzuela
 svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hi Katja,
 
  Thank you for your reply. I did find a way to SEND audio to my phone via
 a wifi connection. A mac application called Airfoil allowed me to connect
 to my android phone (using this app called AirBubble). What I need is to
 send either the conversation happening on the phone to my computer or at
 least send what the mic is picking up on the phone to the computer.
 
  I'm wondering if I read correctly - did you say you were able to do this
 by turning your phone into an aggregate device, but that it had crazy
 latency? For my purposes thats not as important really! Could you please
 tell me how you did that?
 
  Best,
  Sebastian
 
 
  On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 6:52 AM, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hello Sebastian,
 
  Couple of years ago I tried to use a bluetooth stereo device for
  wireless monitoring in Pd. Nice thing about OSX is you can create an
  'Aggregated Device' in 'Audio MIDI Setup' to include the bluetooth
  stereo to the regular sound card and use the extra channels in Pd.
  However, I soon found that bluetooth stereo had over half a second
  latency, so it was not useful for my purpose of monitoring. Besides
  that, bluetooth audio pairing was really a pain in OSX (back then at
  least).
 
  Another thing, when connecting a phone as bluetooth device to MacBook,
  I see the following services: Dial-up Networking, Human interface
  device, OBEX File Transfer, OBEX Object Push. None of these makes the
  phone available as an extra audio interface. No way to capture it's
  audio in Pd, like it can be done with bluetooth headsets.
 
  With WIFI-enabled cell phones there may be better possibilities, using
  Skype or similar, and route audio to Pd with Jack or Soundflower.
 
  Katja
 
 
 
  On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Sebastian Valenzuela
  svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Hey everyone,
  
   I know this is a longshot, and most likely not the best place to ask
 this sort of question, but maybe you can point me in the right direction.
 I'm working on an art installation which requires the interception of phone
 conversations to be sent to my macbook and manipulated in Pd. Willing
 participants would connect their phones (via bluetooth?) to my computer and
 all audio would be streamed to my laptop in real time and routed into Pd. I
 realize one could just connect their phones to their laptops via an 8th
 inch TRS cable and an audio interface... but the idea is to make this
 connection wirelessly.
  
   Any ideas? Anything would be helpful.
  
   Thank you for your time,
   Sebastian
  
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[PD] mysterious segfault while receiving midi commands...

2012-10-29 Thread Jörn Nettingsmeier

hi *!


two days ago, my pd-based cue player (btw, new release at 
http://stackingdwarves.net/public_stuff/software/CueFrog/) chashed and 
burned during a live show. not good.


pd segfaulted while i had one six-channel instance of readanysf running 
and five more two-channel instances stopped, at the precise moment when 
i was sending a midi cc to stop the running player and another to start 
a new one, while i was at the same time moving a midi fader for volume 
control.


unfortunately, i had core dumps disabled, and as luck would have it, the 
crash seems impossible to reproduce without an audience of 200 and a 
director to go ballistic. so unless someone has an audience simulator 
test scaffold: what are, in your experience, the most likely causes of 
such sudden segfaults, and are there workarounds or defensive practices 
which i could implement?


i'm using the current releases of pd-vanilla, vbap and readanysf~.

in case someone feels inclined to look at my programming style and lead 
me back to the path of righteousness, the actual show patch i was using 
on top of CueFrog is at http://stackingdwarves.net/download/pd-crash.pd



looking forward to your ideas!


best


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Re: [PD] windowing extended objetcs, mistakes on help files and how to make them into vanilla patches

2012-10-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

On Oct 28, 2012, at 1:23 PM, Alexandre Torres Porres wrote:

  I suggest that the bugs are in the 
  descriptions rather than the objects
 
 yep, that is what I meant. It's actually no bug then, just some descriptive 
 mistake, easily correctable by altering the comments in the help files.
 
 I was trying to get a hold of the author in here to warn him about it, but if 
 needed I can file a bug report.
 
 I was also curious and asking how to make them into Pd vanilla patches. I was 
 able to make them all as patches but the kaiser window, and the gaussian is a 
 bit different too.

Joe Sarlo is the author of the objects, but he hasn't been around here in many 
years.  Ed made the help patches.  Ed, could you commit the corrected files in 
to the SVN?  I figure you two know this mathy stuff far better than me ;)

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Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?

2012-10-29 Thread Charles Henry
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Simon Iten itensi...@gmail.com wrote:
 I think the obvious way to do this is to hack a Bluetooth headset. You could
 attach the headset with cables to an existing audiointerface...
 The user just connects to a regular headset.

That's slightly less obvious than plugging in a stereo output cable
from phone to sound card.

There are also bluetooth audio devices (headset omitted) that have
stereo outputs (here's one example:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875981014nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwordscm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA
)

A software only solution is more interesting though--good luck, I have
no clue how you might do it, but I'll be reading to know if/how you
do.

Chuck


 On Oct 29, 2012 12:56 PM, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hello Sebastian,

 Couple of years ago I tried to use a bluetooth stereo device for
 wireless monitoring in Pd. Nice thing about OSX is you can create an
 'Aggregated Device' in 'Audio MIDI Setup' to include the bluetooth
 stereo to the regular sound card and use the extra channels in Pd.
 However, I soon found that bluetooth stereo had over half a second
 latency, so it was not useful for my purpose of monitoring. Besides
 that, bluetooth audio pairing was really a pain in OSX (back then at
 least).

 Another thing, when connecting a phone as bluetooth device to MacBook,
 I see the following services: Dial-up Networking, Human interface
 device, OBEX File Transfer, OBEX Object Push. None of these makes the
 phone available as an extra audio interface. No way to capture it's
 audio in Pd, like it can be done with bluetooth headsets.

 With WIFI-enabled cell phones there may be better possibilities, using
 Skype or similar, and route audio to Pd with Jack or Soundflower.

 Katja



 On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Sebastian Valenzuela
 svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hey everyone,
 
  I know this is a longshot, and most likely not the best place to ask
  this sort of question, but maybe you can point me in the right direction.
  I'm working on an art installation which requires the interception of phone
  conversations to be sent to my macbook and manipulated in Pd. Willing
  participants would connect their phones (via bluetooth?) to my computer and
  all audio would be streamed to my laptop in real time and routed into Pd. I
  realize one could just connect their phones to their laptops via an 8th 
  inch
  TRS cable and an audio interface... but the idea is to make this connection
  wirelessly.
 
  Any ideas? Anything would be helpful.
 
  Thank you for your time,
  Sebastian
 
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[PD] PKGBUILD of pd-extended 0.43-4 for Archers

2012-10-29 Thread Fero Kiraly
Dear friends,

I try to manage PKGBUILD of latest Pd-extended (svn  git) + latest
Gem (git) for arch.
For me it's running, what makes me happy because I am one of the new Archers.

It is here:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=22509

I have some questions:
1.) I need to do some fixes...corrected name of pdlua library in:
externals/loaders/pdlua/src/Makefile  ...  not problem at all...

2.) I created an empty file in : externals/ekext/ninjacount-help.pd (0
bytes, it is needed for build, dont ask me why...) WHY IS THIS FILE
MISSING ?

3.) It is going well on x_64 ? (What I really do is copypaste some
code from older packege for x64 optimatization, not tested)

4.) How to create mime type for gnome in PKGBUILD (to have nice pd
icons on pd files) ?

5.) Maybe a made some mistakes in dependecies etc.  ???  so if is
here some Master to manage this better I wolud appreciate that..
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Re: [PD] MIDI and JACK autoconnection is a PITA...

2012-10-29 Thread Johanna Nowak
Jörn,

this is a quick shoot from the hips, perhaps it can help:

* Jörn Nettingsmeier netti...@stackingdwarves.net [2012-10-29 20:38]:
 hi *!
 
 
 am i the only one who thinks that non-configurable autoconnection to
 jack and alsa-midi ports is a) wrong and b) a major pain in the ass?
IOhannes once wrote an external called (perhaps) [aconnect] or
similar, which I think lets you do and choose alsa (midi) connections
from within Pd.

 is there a way to prevent pd from doing this? particularly in the
 alsa midi case, it's a really blatant misfeature, because in the
 presence of a software midi thru port, it will immediately create a
 parameter loop which will make any connected midi controller go wild
 and burn its motors.
If this is the case for the BCF2000 try using its U-3 or S-3 mode,
where it will not echo the received midi data to its outputs.

best,
Jo

 
 my preferred behaviour would be no autoconnect at all. second best
 option is configurable auto-connect ports. i wonder what the
 rationale behind the current behaviour is? i mean, pd is all about
 drawing wires, so surely a pd user can be expected to be able to
 connect his/her audio and midi ports correctly?
 
 
 best,
 
 
 jörn
 
 
 
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Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?

2012-10-29 Thread Johanna Nowak
* Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com [2012-10-29 21:12]:
 On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Simon Iten itensi...@gmail.com wrote:
  I think the obvious way to do this is to hack a Bluetooth headset. You could
  attach the headset with cables to an existing audiointerface...
  The user just connects to a regular headset.
 
 That's slightly less obvious than plugging in a stereo output cable
 from phone to sound card.
 
 There are also bluetooth audio devices (headset omitted) that have
 stereo outputs (here's one example:
 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16875981014nm_mc=KNC-GoogleAdwordscm_mmc=KNC-GoogleAdwords-_-pla-_-NA-_-NA
 )
 
 A software only solution is more interesting though--good luck, I have
 no clue how you might do it, but I'll be reading to know if/how you
 do.

Has anyone already suggested a SIP software phone that can talk to
jack (perhaps via one of the alsa bridges)?

best, Jo

 
 Chuck
 
 
  On Oct 29, 2012 12:56 PM, katja katjavet...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  Hello Sebastian,
 
  Couple of years ago I tried to use a bluetooth stereo device for
  wireless monitoring in Pd. Nice thing about OSX is you can create an
  'Aggregated Device' in 'Audio MIDI Setup' to include the bluetooth
  stereo to the regular sound card and use the extra channels in Pd.
  However, I soon found that bluetooth stereo had over half a second
  latency, so it was not useful for my purpose of monitoring. Besides
  that, bluetooth audio pairing was really a pain in OSX (back then at
  least).
 
  Another thing, when connecting a phone as bluetooth device to MacBook,
  I see the following services: Dial-up Networking, Human interface
  device, OBEX File Transfer, OBEX Object Push. None of these makes the
  phone available as an extra audio interface. No way to capture it's
  audio in Pd, like it can be done with bluetooth headsets.
 
  With WIFI-enabled cell phones there may be better possibilities, using
  Skype or similar, and route audio to Pd with Jack or Soundflower.
 
  Katja
 
 
 
  On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:21 AM, Sebastian Valenzuela
  svalenzuelamu...@gmail.com wrote:
  
   Hey everyone,
  
   I know this is a longshot, and most likely not the best place to ask
   this sort of question, but maybe you can point me in the right direction.
   I'm working on an art installation which requires the interception of 
   phone
   conversations to be sent to my macbook and manipulated in Pd. Willing
   participants would connect their phones (via bluetooth?) to my computer 
   and
   all audio would be streamed to my laptop in real time and routed into 
   Pd. I
   realize one could just connect their phones to their laptops via an 8th 
   inch
   TRS cable and an audio interface... but the idea is to make this 
   connection
   wirelessly.
  
   Any ideas? Anything would be helpful.
  
   Thank you for your time,
   Sebastian
  
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   youtube.com/svalenzuelamusic
  
  
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Re: [PD] Stream phone call to pd?

2012-10-29 Thread Simon Wise

On 30/10/12 06:13, Johanna Nowak wrote:

* Charles Henryczhe...@gmail.com  [2012-10-29 21:12]:



A software only solution is more interesting though--good luck, I have
no clue how you might do it, but I'll be reading to know if/how you
do.


Has anyone already suggested a SIP software phone that can talk to
jack (perhaps via one of the alsa bridges)?


Asterisk can talk to jack directly, and is very capable. It can make and receive 
calls, generate voice menus, deal with SIP, SMS etc etc.


I did a project using some of that capacity along with Pd a few years ago.


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Re: [PD] MIDI and JACK autoconnection is a PITA...

2012-10-29 Thread Simon Wise

On 30/10/12 06:12, Johanna Nowak wrote:

Jörn,

this is a quick shoot from the hips, perhaps it can help:

* Jörn Nettingsmeiernetti...@stackingdwarves.net  [2012-10-29 20:38]:



is there a way to prevent pd from doing this? particularly in the
alsa midi case, it's a really blatant misfeature, because in the
presence of a software midi thru port, it will immediately create a
parameter loop which will make any connected midi controller go wild
and burn its motors.

If this is the case for the BCF2000 try using its U-3 or S-3 mode,
where it will not echo the received midi data to its outputs.


The BCF2000 and the Pd sliders work very well together with feedback - not sure 
exactly which side does the work to allow the loopback to work well, but it 
does, it is possible to use those loops to give manual control from the BCF2000 
at the same time as Pd sliders and calculated values are being used.


Simon


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Re: [PD] Routing MIDI on windows machines?

2012-10-29 Thread fls
 For Mac, I set up custom IAC in/out ports for PureData and use Midi
 Patchbay to connect other apps to them.

 On Linux, there is always aconnect  aconnectgui or, if you're using jack,
 qjackctl.


Mac and Linux can also use PatchAge. Good software.

http://drobilla.net/software/patchage/

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Re: [PD] array modification, segmented lines

2012-10-29 Thread João Pais
also similar, you can try [jmmmp/bezier], for a one-segment cubic (?)  
bezier line.


João


Thank you very much.

I'm working on a table editor for Csound. Will send a working verison  
later
tonight. Still getting my head around pd (coming from max). Finding  
arrays

very nice to work with compared with max buffers!

Best,
Peiman

On 29 October 2012 18:13, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote:

or you can use my abstraction [jmmmp/arrayedit], included in  
pd-extended.

look around between the several functions.


 No problem, his stuff's great.


On 29 October 2012 10:19, peiman khosravi peimankhosr...@gmail.com
wrote:

 Hi Julian,


I found a hack for what I had in mind. But wow, this is amazing. I  
was in

fact looking for something like this.

Thanks
Peiman


On 29 October 2012 09:21, Julian Brooks jbee...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Peiman,


I'm not exactly sure what it is you're looking for but I can  
definitely

highly recommend William Brent's 'tabletool' for array manipulations.

http://williambrent.**conflations.com/pages/**research.htmlhttp://williambrent.conflations.com/pages/research.html

(scroll down a bit).

Cheers,

Julian



On 27 October 2012 23:17, peiman khosravi  
peimankhosr...@gmail.com**

wrote:

 Dear all,


Are there any messages to draw functions of segmented lines (ideally
with different types of interpolations) inside an array? Or does one
need
to create this manually by writing each array index?

So I would like to be able to define segments by providing lists of
start_position, segment_length, end_position.

Many Thanks
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Re: [PD] array modification, segmented lines

2012-10-29 Thread fls
 Dear all,

 Are there any messages to draw functions of segmented lines (ideally with
 different types of interpolations) inside an array? Or does one need to
 create this manually by writing each array index?

 So I would like to be able to define segments by providing lists of
 start_position, segment_length, end_position.

 Many Thanks
 Peiman

Hi Peiman and all

Recently a friend asked me something like this. The interpolation of an
array adding points / values just like tabwrite. I developed this external
to him:

http://sourceforge.net/projects/pdinterpol/

For now it is only linear interpolation but I intend to develop other
kinds soon.

Cheers

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Re: [PD] PKGBUILD of pd-extended 0.43-4 for Archers

2012-10-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

You'll want to use the Pd-extended 0.43 branch rather than trunk.  I don't know 
if that's what you mean by latest.

http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingPdSource

.hc

On Oct 29, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote:

 Dear friends,
 
 I try to manage PKGBUILD of latest Pd-extended (svn  git) + latest
 Gem (git) for arch.
 For me it's running, what makes me happy because I am one of the new Archers.
 
 It is here:
 https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=22509
 
 I have some questions:
 1.) I need to do some fixes...corrected name of pdlua library in:
 externals/loaders/pdlua/src/Makefile  ...  not problem at all...
 
 2.) I created an empty file in : externals/ekext/ninjacount-help.pd (0
 bytes, it is needed for build, dont ask me why...) WHY IS THIS FILE
 MISSING ?
 
 3.) It is going well on x_64 ? (What I really do is copypaste some
 code from older packege for x64 optimatization, not tested)
 
 4.) How to create mime type for gnome in PKGBUILD (to have nice pd
 icons on pd files) ?
 
 5.) Maybe a made some mistakes in dependecies etc.  ???  so if is
 here some Master to manage this better I wolud appreciate that..
 cheers
 
 
 
 -- 
 Fero Kiraly
 www.cluster-ensemble.com
 
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Re: [PD] PKGBUILD of pd-extended 0.43-4 for Archers

2012-10-29 Thread Hans-Christoph Steiner

Also, for the details like mime types and menus, check out the debian sources.

.hc

On Oct 29, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Fero Kiraly wrote:

 Dear friends,
 
 I try to manage PKGBUILD of latest Pd-extended (svn  git) + latest
 Gem (git) for arch.
 For me it's running, what makes me happy because I am one of the new Archers.
 
 It is here:
 https://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=22509
 
 I have some questions:
 1.) I need to do some fixes...corrected name of pdlua library in:
 externals/loaders/pdlua/src/Makefile  ...  not problem at all...
 
 2.) I created an empty file in : externals/ekext/ninjacount-help.pd (0
 bytes, it is needed for build, dont ask me why...) WHY IS THIS FILE
 MISSING ?
 
 3.) It is going well on x_64 ? (What I really do is copypaste some
 code from older packege for x64 optimatization, not tested)
 
 4.) How to create mime type for gnome in PKGBUILD (to have nice pd
 icons on pd files) ?
 
 5.) Maybe a made some mistakes in dependecies etc.  ???  so if is
 here some Master to manage this better I wolud appreciate that..
 cheers
 
 
 
 -- 
 Fero Kiraly
 www.cluster-ensemble.com
 
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Re: [PD] MIDI and JACK autoconnection is a PITA...

2012-10-29 Thread michael noble
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Jörn Nettingsmeier
netti...@stackingdwarves.net wrote:
 hi *!


 am i the only one who thinks that non-configurable autoconnection to jack
 and alsa-midi ports is a) wrong and b) a major pain in the ass?

 is there a way to prevent pd from doing this?

If you setup PD with more than one alsa midi port then it seems that
autoconnect is automatically disabled. Probably the easiest
workaround.

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