Re: [PD] [PD-announce] pd-l2ork 20110105 snapshot now available
On Thu, Jan 6, 2011 at 7:01 AM, Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote: Please pardon cross-posting. Changelog: *fixed segfault when doing to-front/back without any object being selected *added enabling/disabling menu options when appropriate (e.g. cannot cut/paste if nothing is selected) *bound relevant canvas actions to the menu actions so that they can be invoked only if the menu actions are enabled (e.g. cut/copy/paste etc.) *requires further testing *relevant menu options reflect changes across all Pd windows (e.g. duplicate) *added special behavior for the cut/copy/paste menu in the root window *added previous window to the Window menu Latest snapshot is available from the usual place: http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 Houston! The requested URL /main/Pd-0.42.5-extended-l2ork-dev-20110105.tar.bz2 was not found on this server. + the Install instructions for devs link takes me to the section Compiling L2Ork PD Dev Snapshot which at the end doesn't tell you how to compile (or i'm missing something) but you can find the compile instructions at the end of the Install Instructions section. NB the instruction refers to a .gz archive but now it comes in a .bz2. BTW i'd add to the PD developers L2Ork source tree snapshot / USE THIS TO: list: you have a 64-bit cpu/os and you want a native binary Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Ubumenu?
...or [widget popup SomeName] from toxy - my preference because the font and the box size can be set very neatly (see the help browser: Pure Data/examples/toxy/popup-test.pd) Andras On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: If you want a popup menu, you probably want [popup]. .hc On Dec 18, 2010, at 11:45 AM, Jose Luis Santorcuato wrote: Hello list, I wondered if there was any object as umenu or ubumenu , i know, I can make lists but would like something faster ... Greetings!! José (the snorer) -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://comunicacionnativa.blogspot.com/ http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Looking at things from a more basic level, you can come up with a more direct solution... It may sound small in theory, but it in practice, it can change entire economies. - Amy Smith ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] L2Ork Pd update now available
On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote: Apologies for cross-posting. It appears a few more bugs snuck into the stable release. At the same time I felt like the rest of the iemgui objects could really benefit from the resizing via gui, hence another release. 20101214 Changelog: *implemented resizable options for all iemgui objects (some require different behavior than others (e.g. number2 resizes horizontally based on the number of characters, while vertical resize also adjusts font size as well as gui triangle preceding characters, thus resulting in changes in width as well as height--consequently the target size tries to be as close to the mouse cursor as possible while altering width, height, font size and number of characters visible) *changed the whole project naming scheme to reflect L2Orkified version (pdextended becomes pd-l2ork, install dir is /usr/local/lib/pd-l2ork, uses default.pdl2ork config file, reflects different version) *changed appearance and updated content of the about.pd patch *fixed regression where help files for core objects were erroneously replaced by incorrect pddp documentation *synced backport of the new browser and adjusted appearance to match the theme *fixed bug where pddplink failed to open related files *fixed resizable canvas so that it updates scrollbars after resizing, dirties the canvas, and properly relocates scale handle when moved As always, comments/feedback are most appreciated. http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 Best wishes, Ico Cool! My observations: - I was trying to package it for debian with dpkg-deb -b (there is no 'make package' rule...) and appname and provides are both set to src and there is no version number - afair with vanilla and extended these things are ok - It seems 'make install' doesn't set up a shortcut in gnome menu - I cannot find where the libs that i've compiled with it are set up - The GUI is so much faster i really hope these fixes will find their way into mainstream - fingers crossed :) Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [PD-dev] pd-pidip into Debian
Bernardo Barros wrote: 2010/12/4 Mathieu Bouchardma...@artengine.ca mailto:ma...@artengine.ca: It's because GPL is for hippies, or something. It's the other way around. BSD is hippier: Someone in Berkley smoked marijuana and said: hey man, let's just give it away, who cares what people will do with it, let them turn this into proprietary or whatever. I don't get this BSD fondness of the PD people ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailto:Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list you confuse marijuana with LSD if i can intervene, it was LSD license at that time, for a joke that makes sense then you are all buried deeply in the same system that it's useless to talk, really ciao, sevy What do you know about us? Why do you take the privilege to offend people on this mailing list? When you go to the supermarket, you yell the same things at people? Or you don't go to the supermaket? You don't pay taxes? You don't have have a driver's license, ID card, social security, you didn't go to school by the system? I'm afraid what you call system is human civilization, and even if you wish to believe otherwise, you are part of it too. And again, you don't know what we do against or for the system so pay more respect and don't offend people you don't know shit about. Andras ___ Pd-dev mailing list pd-...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-dev yeh classical ... after having been called 'fascist' here on this list or someone making useless shit, etc i'm the one offending the others... i just say i felt like working in the army ( the US one) when working in the pd community, so yeh i quit it, but i keep my shit available for los compa...@s that wants to promote linux ( yeh they are all fascists ) i'm just laughing of your confusion and bye bye, have fun reading wikileaks. ciao, sevy You missed the point by lightyears (again). It was a debate over your _decision_ which is OK. Your software, you can insist on a weird license. Then there is this list and this community which challenged your _decision_ which should be OK too, unless you cannot stand criticism, which seems to be the case. The point of the community was that your license may be understandable, but it is inconvenient. Then you come and start to offend _people_ (WTF you think calling people fascists???), when no one called you anything, no one offended you, it was merely a debate over your _decision_. Got it? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] L2Ork PD first stable release now available
Nothing is wrong with it, i just thought l2orkified version or something like that could be added... 2010/12/12 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com What's wrong with the about.pd patch? --- On *Sat, 12/11/10, András Murányi muran...@gmail.com* wrote: From: András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] L2Ork PD first stable release now available To: PD List pd-list@iem.at Date: Saturday, December 11, 2010, 9:53 PM On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.eduhttp://mc/compose?to=...@vt.edu wrote: Changes since release candidate 6: *added apply undo/redo (applies to vanilla objects with properties (e.g. gatom) plus currently as a test implementation only to the cnv object from the iemgui set--I will add it to other applicable imegui objects once the implementation is thoroughly tested). *added resize handle to the cnv object. *implemented auto-update of properties window (width/height and in cnv case also selection area width/height if the properties window is open). *fixed bug where autoconnect tries to auto-connect cnv objects. *fixed regression where gatom objects after being duplicated are only partially selected. *fixed bug where changing object properties did not result in canvas being dirty. Special thanks to all who have provided invaluable feedback in making this release as bug-free as possible! http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 Best wishes, Ico Hey Ico, i think this is great. Now that you are releasing it, and have expressed your plan to fork from 0.42-5,what do think about: - having a separate .configfile (with special regard to the fact that some libs have to be recompiled for l2ork - now it uses .pdextended which means i'd need to change the config each time i start up the other app) - proudly updating the about box - eventually: giving the app a new name so it can fully coexist with pdextended and pd? Andras -Inline Attachment Follows- ___ Pd-list@iem.at http://mc/compose?to=pd-l...@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Segfault with less libs
My bad. I had copied my tidied-up .pdsettings over .pdextended and therefore fed the L2orkified moonlib to it, which led to the crash. BTW: Is moonib maintained now? by whom? Andras 2010/12/9 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com I tried with gdb, and it prevents the crash just like -verbose. When i detach pd from gdb, the crash happens. watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... at this point i detach pd loading built-in widget definitions Segmentation fault Similarly with valgrind, there is no crash just 100% CPU, watchdog signaling, and it goes on forever unless i quit. Are there further tricks? Or shall i start putting back libs into the config one by one? Andras 2010/12/8 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Try running Pd with 'gdb' or 'valgrind'. In gdb, once it crashes, you type backtrace to get it. Search puredata.info for gdb for a howto. .hc On Dec 8, 2010, at 4:57 AM, András Murányi wrote: Yea, help me with the backtrace please, how do i get it? -verbose doesn't put anything on the console/terminal. Andras 2010/12/8 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at That's odd, you'll need to provide more info, like backtrace from the segfault, which libs, etc. .hc On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 01:59 +0100, András Murányi wrote: Dear List, i've made some clanup in my .pdsetting and .pdextended files and removed the paths and libs not needed for me. Now i get segfault when i load my patch. Could it because of a missing lib (like i have deleted a line i shouldn't have) and if so, how come? How can i debug this? With -verbose, i don't get the segfault but the patch never loads... Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Segfault with less libs
I tried with gdb, and it prevents the crash just like -verbose. When i detach pd from gdb, the crash happens. watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... watchdog: signaling pd... at this point i detach pd loading built-in widget definitions Segmentation fault Similarly with valgrind, there is no crash just 100% CPU, watchdog signaling, and it goes on forever unless i quit. Are there further tricks? Or shall i start putting back libs into the config one by one? Andras 2010/12/8 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Try running Pd with 'gdb' or 'valgrind'. In gdb, once it crashes, you type backtrace to get it. Search puredata.info for gdb for a howto. .hc On Dec 8, 2010, at 4:57 AM, András Murányi wrote: Yea, help me with the backtrace please, how do i get it? -verbose doesn't put anything on the console/terminal. Andras 2010/12/8 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at That's odd, you'll need to provide more info, like backtrace from the segfault, which libs, etc. .hc On Wed, 2010-12-08 at 01:59 +0100, András Murányi wrote: Dear List, i've made some clanup in my .pdsetting and .pdextended files and removed the paths and libs not needed for me. Now i get segfault when i load my patch. Could it because of a missing lib (like i have deleted a line i shouldn't have) and if so, how come? How can i debug this? With -verbose, i don't get the segfault but the patch never loads... Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 (stable + nightly) tiny fonts?
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:53 PM, B. Bogart b...@ekran.org wrote: Hi Hans, Now I'm really confused. I tried -verbose and it shows the following in the path. /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType/ I rechecked the installation of the recommended fonts (see small-font-pd-extended-#2.png) and verified the command line flags. Even the font size does not change. Tk scaling is 1.2508464142813174. So maybe tk is not reading the fonts for some reason, so I did a little wish8.5 test, presented in tk_likes_dejavu.png. Am I the only one trying to use pd-extended 0.42-5 on a 64bit lucid machine with nvidia proprietary drivers? You are not...! I have the same setup, and fonts are looking good. I'd say don't bother removing the driver, sniff around TCl/Tk instead. For example, my tk scaling is 4.2325 What is TCL/Tk version? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Fwd: Fullscreen plugin
On Tue, Dec 7, 2010 at 11:04 AM, Lorenzo Sutton lsut...@libero.it wrote: András Murányi wrote: -- Forwarded message -- From: Santa Claus sa...@santaclaus.com mailto:sa...@santaclaus.com Date: 2010/12/6 Subject: Fullscreen plugin To: muran...@gmail.com mailto:muran...@gmail.com here is a little Pd 0.43 plugin that makes your patches go fullscreen with the F11 button. hope you'll like it :) Very nice idea (couldn't get it to work because Pd seems to use tcl 8.4 even though I have 8.5 installed). Good for focusing on both patching and performance, Did you try 'sudo update-alternatives --config wish'? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Tip of the Day
On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 8:56 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Hi, What do people think of the little Tip of the Day windows that are in some software? Are they helpful? Annoying? Either way, I made one in Pd. Seems like this could be useful to beginners. And at the moment they're no longer useful one can just turn them off. (Or they could be turned off by default and live in the help window.) A prototype is attached. [hcs/folder_list] and [ggee/button] are the externals used. -Jonathan Annoying for me, even if i'm interested in the software. But that's just me. For those who find it useful, this could be developed into something that can really be started up when pd starts - sounds like a plugin? :op One way is to rewrite it as a plugin, another is to make a plugin which loads the patch at startup. Either way i'd be happy to help you. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Tip of the Day
2010/12/6 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca On Mon, 6 Dec 2010, András Murányi wrote: Annoying for me, even if i'm interested in the software. But that's just me. For those who find it useful, this could be developed into something that can really be started up when pd starts - sounds like a plugin? :op One way is to rewrite it as a plugin, another is to make a plugin which loads the patch at startup. Either way i'd be happy to help you. Btw, it doesn't have to be a gui plugin, it can also be a regular -lib that doesn't contain any externals, but instead, just a single call to canvas_open or similar. Yea, but i cannot help Jonathan with that. What makes it make sense however, is that it starts up automatically. One can also modify his/her pd icon so that it starts up with the patch. And btw, lots of people use the word «plugin» to mean library or external, Honestly, you are to first to tell me this, but i'm not so old and haven't really been around the world so much. so, if by plugin, you mean gui plugin, you ought to be more specific. Sir I will be Sir. Let me add that i'd reserve the name 'plugin' for things that are pluggable into an API and that is something me and Hans may have a different view about - for him (afaiu) it's almost an API, for me hardly an API. Nevertheless, it's cool. (I won't define 'cool' for you :o) Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Fwd: Fullscreen plugin
-- Forwarded message -- From: Santa Claus sa...@santaclaus.com Date: 2010/12/6 Subject: Fullscreen plugin To: muran...@gmail.com here is a little Pd 0.43 plugin that makes your patches go fullscreen with the F11 button. hope you'll like it :) fullscreen-plugin.tcl Description: Tcl script ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] new license for pidip and unauthorized WAS: pd-pidip into Debian
On Sun, Dec 5, 2010 at 8:50 PM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote: ola, you're totally right that we should get out of sourceforge, that grants more rights to US citizens than to others. we can find a domain in .fi, .de, .ch or .nl, if you know what i mean. so yeh you can remove unauthorized and pidip from sourceforge. ciao, sevy pd _ and could you leave me in peace _forever_ ? thank you You are on a mailing list. Of course, you can unsubscribe, and build a bunker from armchairs and matresses and ban adults. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Showcasing PD
I like this one (and have posted it before): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rtgGol-I4gAfeature=p=12DC9A161D8DC5DCindex=0playnext=1 On Thu, Dec 2, 2010 at 7:43 AM, Xavier Miller xavier.mil...@cauwe.orgwrote: I was looking to a good tutorial / introduction. I've found it :) I will take watch it tonight, after work. Xavier. Le 1/12/2010 22:26, Hans-Christoph Steiner a écrit : I'm a big fan of starting from very little and building a ring modulator, step-by-step, as I did in this talk: http://vimeo.com/5479982 .hc On Dec 1, 2010, at 4:20 PM, Andrew Faraday wrote: Wii data really doesn't work for me. Although perhaps with a few led's it'd rekindle my interest. Incidentally, either I don't have a fast enough machine for VJing or I've not found the right library/objects. What's the way forward on that? From:geoker...@gmail.com from%3ageoker...@gmail.com mailto: geoker...@gmail.com Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2010 22:47:01 +0200 Subject: Re: [PD] Showcasing PD To:p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu to%3a...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu mailto: p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu CC:jbtur...@hotmail.com cc%3ajbtur...@hotmail.com mailto: jbtur...@hotmail.com;pd-list@iem.at mailto:pd-list@iem.at Yeap, and talk NERDY ;) On 1 December 2010 22:33, Pagano, Patrickp...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu mailto:p...@digitalworlds.ufl.eduwrote: Do a VJ thing. control it with a wii Video theremins go over well too pp From:pd-list-boun...@iem.at from%3apd-list-boun...@iem.at mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at[pd-list-boun...@iem.at mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Andrew Faraday [jbtur...@hotmail.com mailto:jbtur...@hotmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, December 01, 2010 3:24 PM To:pd-list@iem.at to%3apd-l...@iem.at mailto:pd-list@iem.at Subject: [PD] Showcasing PD Hey Guys Here's the situation, I've been invited to talk to a group of techies on PD for half an hour this friday (the 3rd), there's basically two options. Either I do a basic introduction to Pd, it's benefits and why I like it as a medium/language. Or the one I'm leaning towards now, A quickly thrown together example of something you can do in PD. I'm currently thinking that I could easily put together a plan to code a simple instrument from a USB controller within half an hour. Thus showing that a lot can be achieved in a relatively short space of time with some Pd knowledge. Has anyone got any ideas how I might try to impress people with the capabilities of PD? Cheers Andrew ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI plugins wikis WAS: zenity plugin for Pd 0.43 WAS: magicglass WAS: call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based on 0.42.x branch)
2010/11/30 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at On Nov 29, 2010, at 4:43 PM, András Murányi wrote: 2010/11/29 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Hey Andras, this is great! My only request is: can we call them GUI plugins? startup plugins sounds too vague for me. Also, here's a bit more documentation: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI Now I'm thinking we should start a guiplugins wiki folder section in the doc wiki, so like: http://puredata.info/docs/ http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPIguiplugins (this would be your page, also be called FrontPage) http://puredata.info/docs/ http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI guiplugins/GuiPluginsAPI http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI http://puredata.info/docs/ http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI guiplugins/ExamplePlugins How does that sound? .hc Sounds great. Please go ahead and rename move 'my' page, then i'll go on. Andras Ok here goes: http://puredata.info/docs/guiplugins/http://puredata.info/docs/guiplugins/FrontPage http://puredata.info/docs/guiplugins/SimpleExamples http://puredata.info/docs/guiplugins/GuiPluginsAPI Some possible fodder for more stuff for the Gui Plugins wiki: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewriteTheming http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewriteTheming So the current FrontPage and the GuiPluginsAPI pages have some overlap, and should be combined. Andras, if you can take that on, please do. You're page looks quite good so far. .hc OK, i have my request concerning combining... or rather a question: it is not a real API that we're having and may be misleading to call it so, still API is a word that is good lead for somewhone looking for anything that plays the role of an API... what do you think? is there a better word to use, or we just call it API and then explain it's nor really? (or do you consider it an API?) Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI plugins wikis WAS: zenity plugin for Pd 0.43 WAS: magicglass WAS: call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based on 0.42.x branch)
Hey Andras, this is great! My only request is: can we call them GUI plugins? startup plugins sounds too vague for me. Also, here's a bit more documentation: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI Now I'm thinking we should start a guiplugins wiki folder section in the doc wiki, so like: http://puredata.info/docs/ http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPIguiplugins (this would be your page, also be called FrontPage) http://puredata.info/docs/ http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI guiplugins/GuiPluginsAPI http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI http://puredata.info/docs/ http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI guiplugins/ExamplePlugins How does that sound? .hc Sounds great. Please go ahead and rename move 'my' page, then i'll go on. Andras Ok here goes: http://puredata.info/docs/guiplugins/http://puredata.info/docs/guiplugins/FrontPage http://puredata.info/docs/guiplugins/SimpleExamples http://puredata.info/docs/guiplugins/GuiPluginsAPI Some possible fodder for more stuff for the Gui Plugins wiki: http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewriteTheming http://puredata.info/dev/PdGuiRewriteTheming So the current FrontPage and the GuiPluginsAPI pages have some overlap, and should be combined. Andras, if you can take that on, please do. You're page looks quite good so far. .hc OK, i have my request concerning combining... or rather a question: it is not a real API that we're having and may be misleading to call it so, still API is a word that is good lead for somewhone looking for anything that plays the role of an API... what do you think? is there a better word to use, or we just call it API and then explain it's nor really? (or do you consider it an API?) I'm not stuck on the term API, but the stuff that I outlined there is stuff that I added to the new GUI code specifically to support plugins, rather than internal needs. Of course, being Tcl, a plugin can override really anything, so all of the GUI code can't really be called the API, tho it could be changed by a plugin. Does that make sense? .hc Perfectly. I'll try to address this on the page and then it will be open for adjustments by You or anyone. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] zenity plugin for Pd 0.43 WAS: magicglass WAS: call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based on 0.42.x branch)
I have started a Wiki page on this: http://puredata.info/docs/developer/StartupPlugins I'll expand it later today. Andras On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Lorenzo Sutton lsut...@libero.it wrote: [this was intended for the list by I sent it to Hans only by mistake - resending] Original Message Subject: zenity plugin for Pd 0.43 WAS: magicglass WAS: call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based on 0.42.x branch) From: Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at To: Lorenzo Sutton lsut...@libero.it CC: pd-list@iem.at Date: 11/28/2010 02:00 AM On Nov 25, 2010, at 6:27 AM, Lorenzo Sutton wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: On Nov 24, 2010, at 10:59 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: (and a random aside, perhaps you'd be interested in getting Pd to use the GTK open panel? I've always hated the Tcl/Tk one). How would one go about doing this? I believe that gnocl is the thing that you are looking for: http://wiki.tcl.tk/5151 Actually a really 'quick and dirty' solution would be to call zenity [1] from within the tk.. Which IMHO is better than the Tk file opener.. Attached a version of pd.tk (0.42.5-extended-rc5 linux) which will try touse zenity for open, falling back to Tk if zeniy is not found (sorry my tcl is really really rusty :-) Lorenzo. [1]: http://freshmeat.net/projects/zenity That would make a great GUI plugin for Pd 0.43. Basically the plugin would just override pdtk_openpanel and pdtk_savepanel (now in pd/tcl/wheredoesthisgo.tcl). Just 'rename' the existing ones in your plugin, then create your own procs with the same names. .hc The GUI plugin thing in 0.43 is pretty new to me.. Anything I can read to learn about it? This apporach (that's why 'quick and dirty') does have various limitations that I think couldn't be solved: - No way to have 'filetype' filters (I haven't seen a way to have ore than one with zenity) - Doesn't remember last opened directory (but maybe taht could be handled by the tk script) - Not exactly the 'standard' gnome open dialogue. Of course one could create two small independent gtk+ (or whatever gui) apps (executables) that let you select file in a natve look and feel spit a string out a string like zenity which is easily ingested y tk. I'm not sure how this could be made cross platform though. Lorenzo. Using ReBirth is like trying to play an 808 with a long stick.-David Zicarelli ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] zenity plugin for Pd 0.43 WAS: magicglass WAS: call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based on 0.42.x branch)
2010/11/29 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at Hey Andras, this is great! My only request is: can we call them GUI plugins? startup plugins sounds too vague for me. Also, here's a bit more documentation: http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI Now I'm thinking we should start a guiplugins wiki folder section in the doc wiki, so like: http://puredata.info/docs/ http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPIguiplugins (this would be your page, also be called FrontPage) http://puredata.info/docs/ http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI guiplugins/GuiPluginsAPI http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI http://puredata.info/docs/ http://puredata.info/docs/PdGuiPluginsAPI guiplugins/ExamplePlugins How does that sound? .hc Sounds great. Please go ahead and rename move 'my' page, then i'll go on. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] new downloads page, call for input, help, submissions, etc
On Mon, Nov 29, 2010 at 10:42 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: So IOhannes set up this great Plone 'product' for managing software releases a while back, and we've just done a bunch of work to get all Pure Data and Pd-extended releases into it, as well as many libraries, apps, and 0.43 GUI plugins. It has the great advantage of allowing everyone to add their own apps, libraries, etc. Here's the page: http://puredata.info/community/projects/software/ I'm posting this out there to get people to put their own stuff on it, give feedback on how it works, and perhaps recruit someone to do some Plone-python-CSS magic to make the page look nice. .hc Well, it would be nice to see a one-line description of the item already on the start page. In usability language: it's hard to decide for the user whether to click vbap or boids without prior knowledge of them. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] L2Ork pd-extended release candidate 1 now available (was: Re: call for testers...)
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 7:47 AM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: Small detail-- your 'Put' menu is tearoff-able. ...which is super cool, IMHO Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] The Game of Life
On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 7:51 PM, Andrew Faraday jbtur...@hotmail.comwrote: Hey All Bit of an early Christmas present. It's a pure-data based, 16x16 version of Jon Conways Game of Life ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conway%27s_Game_of_Life). Perhaps the geekiest thing I've ever done. It's all zipped up because I've used a few abstractions, just uncompress to a single folder and open OpenMe.pd Would love to hear what you guys think of this. Particularly interested in: * Does anyone know if it's been done in puredata before? Can I get hold of it? * Is it well documented enough? * Does it work on different operating systems (was made on ubuntu (netbook remix) so some of it may not transfer)? * How might you improve on this? I may, in the longer run, be planning to use this for a generative music patch. Don't know if that means anything to you. Cheers Andrew I wouldn't mention if it was a real Christmas present :o) but it throws some r13 ... couldn't create errors and hooks my CPU (2,2GHz Opteron) heavily without clicking start. When clicking start nothing happens, perhaps because of the subpatches that didn't create. (Pd-ex autobuild of 2010-11-23) Repair it, Daddy! :o) Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Most simple interfacing of 1 or 3 hardware switches (with [comport]?)
Thank you all for the ideas! I think i'll try [lpt] first and see if i get input. (btw, OT: do you guys remember the COVOX 'sound card' for the LPT port? 8 resistors...) Then i'd go for the hacked keyboard thing - i remember a recent thread about how to attach a 2nd keyboard, with some xorg.conf hacking... but i couldn't find it. I don't need pots at this time - for that job i used a PIC and MIDI. I'm also also on Linux so everything just works :o) Andras 2010/11/27 Pierre Massat pimas...@gmail.com So did I. You should be aware that reading data input from a game controller requires the [hid] object, which currently only works in Linux. There's always [hidin] in windows, but it's much less reliable. Also, if you plan on using pots in the future, be aware that cheap controllers often have cheap analog pots which may turn out to be quite unusable in Pd. Pierre 2010/11/26 Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl When I needed a bunch of footswitches, I hacked a EUR 10 game controller and replaced the button contacts with large jacks for plugging in keyboard sustain pedals, along with the [hid] object. Very reliable! D. -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 160: Towards the insignificant ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] L2Ork pd-extended release candidate 1 now available (was: Re: call for testers...)
with today's build, i got this upon clicking a [tgl] in a nested GOP (couldn't reproduce it from scratch) *** buffer overflow detected ***: ./pd terminated === Backtrace: = /lib/libc.so.6(__fortify_fail+0x37)[0x7f7189d6d217] /lib/libc.so.6(+0xfe0d0)[0x7f7189d6c0d0] /lib/libc.so.6(+0xfd539)[0x7f7189d6b539] /lib/libc.so.6(_IO_default_xsputn+0xcc)[0x7f7189ce3d1c] /lib/libc.so.6(_IO_vfprintf+0x14c)[0x7f7189cb34ec] /lib/libc.so.6(__vsprintf_chk+0x99)[0x7f7189d6b5d9] /lib/libc.so.6(__sprintf_chk+0x7f)[0x7f7189d6b51f] ./pd[0x479cd4] ./pd(sys_pollgui+0xb8)[0x49ed78] ./pd(m_mainloop+0x84b)[0x4984db] ./pd(sys_main+0x225)[0x49d0b5] /lib/libc.so.6(__libc_start_main+0xfd)[0x7f7189c8cc4d] ./pd[0x414159] === Memory map: 0040-0050b000 r-xp 08:12 2769414 /home/muranyia/Download/pd/bin/pd 0070a000-0070b000 r--p 0010a000 08:12 2769414 /home/muranyia/Download/pd/bin/pd 0070b000-0070d000 rw-p 0010b000 08:12 2769414 /home/muranyia/Download/pd/bin/pd 0070d000-00b1d000 rw-p 00:00 0 01694000-0d33e000 rw-p 00:00 0 [heap] 7f71798b6000-7f71798b8000 r-xp 08:12 877193 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/iemlib/add2_comma.pd_linux 7f71798b8000-7f7179ab7000 ---p 2000 08:12 877193 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/iemlib/add2_comma.pd_linux 7f7179ab7000-7f7179ab8000 r--p 1000 08:12 877193 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/iemlib/add2_comma.pd_linux 7f7179ab8000-7f7179ab9000 rw-p 2000 08:12 877193 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/iemlib/add2_comma.pd_linux 7f7179ab9000-7f7179aba000 r-xp 08:12 459292 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/tof/to_ascii_code.pd_linux 7f7179aba000-7f7179cba000 ---p 1000 08:12 459292 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/tof/to_ascii_code.pd_linux 7f7179cba000-7f7179cbb000 r--p 1000 08:12 459292 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/tof/to_ascii_code.pd_linux 7f7179cbb000-7f7179cbc000 rw-p 2000 08:12 459292 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/tof/to_ascii_code.pd_linux 7f7179cbc000-7f7179cbd000 r-xp 08:12 880139 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/maxlib/divmod.pd_linux 7f7179cbd000-7f7179ebc000 ---p 1000 08:12 880139 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/maxlib/divmod.pd_linux 7f7179ebc000-7f7179ebd000 r--p 08:12 880139 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/maxlib/divmod.pd_linux 7f7179ebd000-7f7179ebe000 rw-p 1000 08:12 880139 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/maxlib/divmod.pd_linux 7f7179ebe000-7f7179ec2000 r-xp 08:12 1467325 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/iemgui/iem_image.pd_linux 7f7179ec2000-7f717a0c1000 ---p 4000 08:12 1467325 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/iemgui/iem_image.pd_linux 7f717a0c1000-7f717a0c2000 r--p 3000 08:12 1467325 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/iemgui/iem_image.pd_linux 7f717a0c2000-7f717a0c3000 rw-p 4000 08:12 1467325 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/iemgui/iem_image.pd_linux 7f717a0c3000-7f717a0c7000 r-xp 08:12 911395 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/flatspace/popup.pd_linux 7f717a0c7000-7f717a2c6000 ---p 4000 08:12 911395 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/flatspace/popup.pd_linux 7f717a2c6000-7f717a2c7000 r--p 3000 08:12 911395 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/flatspace/popup.pd_linux 7f717a2c7000-7f717a2c8000 rw-p 4000 08:12 911395 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/flatspace/popup.pd_linux 7f717a2c8000-7f717a2ce000 r-xp 08:12 2762244 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/cyclone/switch.pd_linux 7f717a2ce000-7f717a4cd000 ---p 6000 08:12 2762244 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/cyclone/switch.pd_linux 7f717a4cd000-7f717a4ce000 r--p 5000 08:12 2762244 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/cyclone/switch.pd_linux 7f717a4ce000-7f717a4cf000 rw-p 6000 08:12 2762244 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/cyclone/switch.pd_linux 7f717a4cf000-7f717a4d6000 r-xp 08:12 2762328 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/cyclone/prepend.pd_linux 7f717a4d6000-7f717a6d5000 ---p 7000 08:12 2762328 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/cyclone/prepend.pd_linux 7f717a6d5000-7f717a6d6000 r--p 6000 08:12 2762328 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/cyclone/prepend.pd_linux 7f717a6d6000-7f717a6d7000 rw-p 7000 08:12 2762328 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/cyclone/prepend.pd_linux 7f717a6d7000-7f717a6d8000 r-xp 08:12 1630422 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/jasch_lib/strcut.pd_linux 7f717a6d8000-7f717a8d8000 ---p 1000 08:12 1630422 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/jasch_lib/strcut.pd_linux 7f717a8d8000-7f717a8d9000 r--p 1000 08:12 1630422 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/jasch_lib/strcut.pd_linux 7f717a8d9000-7f717a8da000 rw-p 2000 08:12 1630422 /usr/lib/pd-extended/extra/jasch_lib/strcut.pd_linux 7f717a8da000-7f717a8dc000 r-xp 08:12 1638450 /home/muranyia/Download/pd/extra/moonlib/absolutepath.pd_linux 7f717a8dc000-7f717aadb000 ---p 2000 08:12 1638450 /home/muranyia/Download/pd/extra/moonlib/absolutepath.pd_linux 7f717aadb000-7f717aadc000 r--p 1000 08:12 1638450 /home/muranyia/Download/pd/extra/moonlib/absolutepath.pd_linux 7f717aadc000-7f717aadd000 rw-p 2000 08:12 1638450 /home/muranyia/Download/pd/extra/moonlib/absolutepath.pd_linux 7f717aadd000-7f717aaf3000 r-xp 08:12 2236471
[PD] Most simple interfacing of 1 or 3 hardware switches (with [comport]?)
Dear List, i wish to connect a simple 3-switch foot-switch to Pd, and i was hoping i could do it with [comport], but when digging into it, i got slightly disheartened... can you help me how to do this, at least with 1 switch, without building some complicated interface? It's not a pedal with pots, just push-buttons (not even real switches which would stay on or off). Thanks, Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based on 0.42.x branch)
AFAIK, with 0.43 this problem will be less serious as colors are easily changed with so-called plug-ins, i.e. tcl one-liners. BTW I like orange :o) Andras On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 10:39 AM, ALAN BROOKER alan.brooker2...@gmail.comwrote: selecting the colour is a good option I think, but it's down to personal preference ;) On Fri, Nov 26, 2010 at 8:24 AM, Lorenzo Sutton lsut...@libero.it wrote: Hi, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: [cut] Regarding selected color, any suggestion if one is to avoid default blue and current orange which is apparently not that good either? Maybe I've lost something, but any particular reason why you want to ger rid of the blue? I think most are used to it now-a-days. The orange is really uncomfortable IMHO. Lorenzo Best wishes, Ico ___ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Most simple interfacing of 1 or 3 hardware switches (with [comport]?)
Looks cool! thanks for the idea, i think i'll give it a shot. If, however, anyone knows how to recieve an 5v undefined-length impulse with [comport], with little hardware fuss, i'm still interested. Andras 2010/11/26 tim vets timv...@gmail.com [key] / [keyup] and hack an old keyboard ? I've been using this for quite a while: http://www.timvets.net/music/egi/EGI_timvets.jpg gr, Tim 2010/11/26 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Dear List, i wish to connect a simple 3-switch foot-switch to Pd, and i was hoping i could do it with [comport], but when digging into it, i got slightly disheartened... can you help me how to do this, at least with 1 switch, without building some complicated interface? It's not a pedal with pots, just push-buttons (not even real switches which would stay on or off). Thanks, Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based on 0.42.x branch)
2010/11/25 Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu On Wed, 2010-11-24 at 22:46 -0500, Ivica Ico Bukvic wrote: On Thu, 2010-11-25 at 02:53 +0100, András Murányi wrote: moonlib indeed! 2010/11/25 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com [moonlib/mknob] -Jonathan Thanks, this worked. Now i'm having segfaults on patch load, it seems it's with [moocow/mknob]. Confirmed. Looking into it... All right, I said I would go to sleep but the curiosity got the best of me, so I looked at this one and found a super-simple solution. Namely, it appears mknob uses g_all_guis.h and g_canvas.h, both of which have changed as a result of accelerated drawing of iemgui objects. A simple recompile of mknob (and likely other objects that may rely upon the same framework) apparently fixed the problem. Alrite, my knowledge is just not enough to teach moonlib (which i have put into /extra) where the pd headers are. What shall i modify in its makefile? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based on 0.42.x branch)
Namely, it appears mknob uses g_all_guis.h and g_canvas.h, both of which have changed as a result of accelerated drawing of iemgui objects. A simple recompile of mknob (and likely other objects that may rely upon the same framework) apparently fixed the problem. Alrite, my knowledge is just not enough to teach moonlib (which i have put into /extra) where the pd headers are. What shall i modify in its makefile? CFLAGS = -DPD -I../../src -Wall -W -g ...and it works! I have lots of 'consistency check failed: glist_findrtext' when running, plus sometimes 'tcl/tk error: unknown encoding yahoo' on the terminal. It seems somewhat faster than the father, but that could also be that i've compiled it for my CPU with 'march='. Somehow MIDI works on startup while with the father it doesn't (i have to check 'MIDI settings' each time). Sometimes it gets temporarily frozen where the father doesn't, for example upon editing, saving, and then closing a simple subpatch (no GOP, no externals in it), and then it throws out all the output that was delayed during the freeze - this doesn't happen with the father (afaik you need to use -nosleep to make it behave like this?), and throws some 'error: .x123456: no such object's. The GUI is pretty. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based on 0.42.x branch)
No, i wouldn't! I just had a vague memory that this behaviour (doing all the delayed calculations at once after a freeze) resembles -nosleep's behaviour (doing all the delayed calculations at once after a system sleep), but i may completely mistaken. Andras 2010/11/26 Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu Why would you run it with nosleep? I am also not familiar with this option--what does it do? András Murányi muran...@gmail.com wrote: Namely, it appears mknob uses g_all_guis.h and g_canvas.h, both of which have changed as a result of accelerated drawing of iemgui objects. A simple recompile of mknob (and likely other objects that may rely upon the same framework) apparently fixed the problem. Alrite, my knowledge is just not enough to teach moonlib (which i have put into /extra) where the pd headers are. What shall i modify in its makefile? CFLAGS = -DPD -I../../src -Wall -W -g ...and it works! I have lots of 'consistency check failed: glist_findrtext' when running, plus sometimes 'tcl/tk error: unknown encoding yahoo' on the terminal. It seems somewhat faster than the father, but that could also be that i've compiled it for my CPU with 'march='. Somehow MIDI works on startup while with the father it doesn't (i have to check 'MIDI settings' each time). Sometimes it gets temporarily frozen where the father doesn't, for example upon editing, saving, and then closing a simple subpatch (no GOP, no externals in it), and then it throws out all the output that was delayed during the freeze - this doesn't happen with the father (afaik you need to use -nosleep to make it behave like this?), and throws some 'error: .x123456: no such object's. The GUI is pretty. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based on 0.42.x branch)
On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote: OK, latest snapshot 20101124 has been just made available in the usual place with additional improvements including: *all vanilla and iemgui objects are now accelerated in terms of their redrawing and moving, resulting in a dramatic improvement in UI responsiveness (for the devs, the new model uses tagging of widgets and move command, rather than apparently a much more cpu expensive coords call) *sarlo's magic highlighter now works on all iem objects as well as gop objects *more cosmetic bug fixes http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 As always, feedback is most appreciated! Best wishes, Ico personal thoughts, never mind First i wish to say i had my doubts but now i'm happy to see an iteration of pd-extended in the wild. One may say there is some waste of time with a fork like this and of course there is, but it also proves pd-extended to be 'adult' in a way and adults may have children, and children may seem to reinvent the wheel sometimes but that's all right and that's the way they can find their new, hopefully better ways. And meanwhile, hopefully, many thing will go upstream and it will be a big happy family :o) I'm particularly interested in better GUIs operating a well separated core, and happy to see Hans Miller al are advancing in this direction! /personal thoughts, never mind I'm on AMD64 and has run into this with 'make': cd ../obj; cc -Wl,-export-dynamic -lasound -lrt -ljack -o ../bin/pd d_ctl.o d_array.o d_delay.o d_filter.o d_math.o d_osc.o d_soundfile.o g_canvas.o g_graph.o g_text.o g_rtext.o g_array.o g_template.o g_io.o g_scalar.o g_traversal.o g_guiconnect.o g_readwrite.o g_editor.o g_all_guis.o g_bang.o g_hdial.o g_hslider.o g_mycanvas.o g_numbox.o g_toggle.o g_vdial.o g_vslider.o g_vumeter.o g_magicglass.o m_pd.o m_class.o m_obj.o m_atom.o m_memory.o m_binbuf.o m_conf.o m_glob.o m_sched.o s_main.o s_inter.o s_file.o s_print.o s_loader.o s_path.o s_entry.o s_audio.o s_midi.o d_ugen.o d_arithmetic.o d_dac.o d_misc.o d_fft.o d_global.o d_resample.o x_arithmetic.o x_connective.o x_interface.o x_midi.o x_misc.o x_time.o x_acoustics.o x_net.o x_qlist.o x_gui.o x_list.o import.o s_midi_oss.o s_audio_oss.o s_audio_alsa.o s_audio_alsamm.o s_midi_alsa.o s_audio_jack.o d_fft_mayer.o d_fftroutine.o -ldl -lm -lpthread -lasound collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault] /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_ctl.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_array.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_delay.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_filter.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_math.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_osc.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_canvas.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_graph.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_text.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_rtext.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_array.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_template.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_io.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_scalar.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_traversal.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_guiconnect.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_readwrite.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_editor.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_vdial.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_magicglass.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `m_pd.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `m_obj.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `m_atom.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `m_memory.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `m_conf.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `m_glob.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386
Re: [PD] call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based on 0.42.x branch)
Thanks, this worked. Now i'm having segfaults on patch load, it seems it's with [moocow/mknob]. Andras 2010/11/24 Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu When installing onan arch other than i386 please make sure to do: make distclean aclocal autoconf ./configure (with appropriate flags) make Etc. HTH Ico András Murányi muran...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote: OK, latest snapshot 20101124 has been just made available in the usual place with additional improvements including: *all vanilla and iemgui objects are now accelerated in terms of their redrawing and moving, resulting in a dramatic improvement in UI responsiveness (for the devs, the new model uses tagging of widgets and move command, rather than apparently a much more cpu expensive coords call) *sarlo's magic highlighter now works on all iem objects as well as gop objects *more cosmetic bug fixes http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 As always, feedback is most appreciated! Best wishes, Ico personal thoughts, never mind First i wish to say i had my doubts but now i'm happy to see an iteration of pd-extended in the wild. One may say there is some waste of time with a fork like this and of course there is, but it also proves pd-extended to be 'adult' in a way and adults may have children, and children may seem to reinvent the wheel sometimes but that's all right and that's the way they can find their new, hopefully better ways. And meanwhile, hopefully, many thing will go upstream and it will be a big happy family :o) I'm particularly interested in better GUIs operating a well separated core, and happy to see Hans Miller al are advancing in this direction! /personal thoughts, never mind I'm on AMD64 and has run into this with 'make': cd ../obj; cc -Wl,-export-dynamic -lasound -lrt -ljack -o ../bin/pd d_ctl.o d_array.o d_delay.o d_filter.o d_math.o d_osc.o d_soundfile.o g_canvas.o g_graph.o g_text.o g_rtext.o g_array.o g_template.o g_io.o g_scalar.o g_traversal.o g_guiconnect.o g_readwrite.o g_editor.o g_all_guis.o g_bang.o g_hdial.o g_hslider.o g_mycanvas.o g_numbox.o g_toggle.o g_vdial.o g_vslider.o g_vumeter.o g_magicglass.o m_pd.o m_class.o m_obj.o m_atom.o m_memory.o m_binbuf.o m_conf.o m_glob.o m_sched.o s_main.o s_inter.o s_file.o s_print.o s_loader.o s_path.o s_entry.o s_audio.o s_midi.o d_ugen.o d_arithmetic.o d_dac.o d_misc.o d_fft.o d_global.o d_resample.o x_arithmetic.o x_connective.o x_interface.o x_midi.o x_misc.o x_time.o x_acoustics.o x_net.o x_qlist.o x_gui.o x_list.o import.o s_midi_oss.o s_audio_oss.o s_audio_alsa.o s_audio_alsamm.o s_midi_alsa.o s_audio_jack.o d_fft_mayer.o d_fftroutine.o -ldl -lm -lpthread -lasound collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault] /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_ctl.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_array.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_delay.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_filter.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_math.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_osc.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_canvas.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_graph.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_text.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_rtext.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_array.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_template.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_io.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_scalar.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_traversal.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_guiconnect.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_readwrite.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_editor.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_vdial.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_magicglass.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `m_pd.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file
Re: [PD] call for testers for L2Ork iteration of pd-extended (based on 0.42.x branch)
moonlib indeed! 2010/11/25 Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com [moonlib/mknob] -Jonathan Thanks, this worked. Now i'm having segfaults on patch load, it seems it's with [moocow/mknob]. Andras 2010/11/24 Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu http://mc/compose?to=...@vt.edu When installing onan arch other than i386 please make sure to do: make distclean aclocal autoconf ./configure (with appropriate flags) make Etc. HTH Ico András Murányi muran...@gmail.comhttp://mc/compose?to=muran...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Nov 24, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.eduhttp://mc/compose?to=...@vt.edu wrote: OK, latest snapshot 20101124 has been just made available in the usual place with additional improvements including: *all vanilla and iemgui objects are now accelerated in terms of their redrawing and moving, resulting in a dramatic improvement in UI responsiveness (for the devs, the new model uses tagging of widgets and move command, rather than apparently a much more cpu expensive coords call) *sarlo's magic highlighter now works on all iem objects as well as gop objects *more cosmetic bug fixes http://l2ork.music.vt.edu/main/?page_id=56 As always, feedback is most appreciated! Best wishes, Ico personal thoughts, never mind First i wish to say i had my doubts but now i'm happy to see an iteration of pd-extended in the wild. One may say there is some waste of time with a fork like this and of course there is, but it also proves pd-extended to be 'adult' in a way and adults may have children, and children may seem to reinvent the wheel sometimes but that's all right and that's the way they can find their new, hopefully better ways. And meanwhile, hopefully, many thing will go upstream and it will be a big happy family :o) I'm particularly interested in better GUIs operating a well separated core, and happy to see Hans Miller al are advancing in this direction! /personal thoughts, never mind I'm on AMD64 and has run into this with 'make': cd ../obj; cc -Wl,-export-dynamic -lasound -lrt -ljack -o ../bin/pd d_ctl.o d_array.o d_delay.o d_filter.o d_math.o d_osc.o d_soundfile.o g_canvas.o g_graph.o g_text.o g_rtext.o g_array.o g_template.o g_io.o g_scalar.o g_traversal.o g_guiconnect.o g_readwrite.o g_editor.o g_all_guis.o g_bang.o g_hdial.o g_hslider.o g_mycanvas.o g_numbox.o g_toggle.o g_vdial.o g_vslider.o g_vumeter.o g_magicglass.o m_pd.o m_class.o m_obj.o m_atom.o m_memory.o m_binbuf.o m_conf.o m_glob.o m_sched.o s_main.o s_inter.o s_file.o s_print.o s_loader.o s_path.o s_entry.o s_audio.o s_midi.o d_ugen.o d_arithmetic.o d_dac.o d_misc.o d_fft.o d_global.o d_resample.o x_arithmetic.o x_connective.o x_interface.o x_midi.o x_misc.o x_time.o x_acoustics.o x_net.o x_qlist.o x_gui.o x_list.o import.o s_midi_oss.o s_audio_oss.o s_audio_alsa.o s_audio_alsamm.o s_midi_alsa.o s_audio_jack.o d_fft_mayer.o d_fftroutine.o -ldl -lm -lpthread -lasound collect2: ld terminated with signal 11 [Segmentation fault] /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_ctl.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_array.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_delay.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_filter.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_math.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `d_osc.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_canvas.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_graph.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_text.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_rtext.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_array.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_template.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_io.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_scalar.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_traversal.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_guiconnect.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_readwrite.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_editor.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input file `g_vdial.o' is incompatible with i386:x86-64 output /usr/bin/ld: i386 architecture of input
Re: [PD] Preset saving with SSSAD
Thanks, this is interesting. it's just i don't seem to find these list.xyz objects... (bad Google!) Andras 2010/11/18 Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com Yeah, I had the same problem and hacked out a osc-style prefix setting that is used to ignore objects without the prefix. This way I can work on two song patches open at the same time without cross saving. Here is an updated object I was working on a few weeks ago that also includes file saving/loading: There is also a gui wrapper, but I haven't updated it for the file operations yet. On Nov 17, 2010, at 10:51 AM, András Murányi wrote: Dear list, i'm having a kind of naive question. I've been using the glorious SSSAD abstraction (with [presetstore]) to saveload presets in a huge patch, but i'm missing more and more the ability to saveload presets for individual parts of the patch only. E.g. i have two sequencers in the patch, for which i wish to saveload presets independently. I know it's easy to send presets to individual parts when you have hand-made those presets, but what about saving? Is it that the current architecture of SSSAD does not allow this? Then is there a way to modify/develop it to make this possible? Or if it allows, how to do it? Any ideas highly appreciated! Thanks, Andras Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Preset saving with SSSAD
Cool, i was wandering around in the rj lib but i couldn't find how this thing works. Can you just tell me in a nutshell please? Andras On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 4:26 PM, Frank Barknecht f...@footils.org wrote: Hi, if you're using the latest version of sssad (which also is two years old or so), then you can use the saveonly message to save only the settings of one sssad instance. Also see how it's done in the rj library. Ciao -- Frank On Wed, Nov 17, 2010 at 04:51:20PM +0100, András Murányi wrote: i'm having a kind of naive question. I've been using the glorious SSSAD abstraction (with [presetstore]) to saveload presets in a huge patch, but i'm missing more and more the ability to saveload presets for individual parts of the patch only. E.g. i have two sequencers in the patch, for which i wish to saveload presets independently. I know it's easy to send presets to individual parts when you have hand-made those presets, but what about saving? Is it that the current architecture of SSSAD does not allow this? Then is there a way to modify/develop it to make this possible? Or if it allows, how to do it? Any ideas highly appreciated! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [midiin] doesn't recognize SYSTEM COMMON or SYSTEM REAL TIME messages
On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 5:43 PM, Ingo Scherzinger i...@miamiwave.comwrote: Does anybody know how to receive SYSTEM COMMON or SYSTEM REAL TIME messages? The [midiin] object only outputs 0xF0 (sysex start), 0xF7 (sysex end) and 0xF6 (tune request). Anything else between 0xF0 and 0xFF is being ignored. [sysexin] doesn't do it either. I really need 0xFA and 0xFC ( = start / stop ) as well as 0xFE ( = active sensing ) to communicate with the standard transport buttons, etc. on normal keyboards. How would you sync to midi clock if 0xF8 ( = midi timing clock) is being ignored? Does anybody know how to get this to work? Is there any other object that can receive raw midi? Ingo Hello Ingo, take a look at [midirealtimein], i can recieve 0xFA, 0xFC and 0xF8 with it, hopefully the others as well. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Preset saving with SSSAD
Dear list, i'm having a kind of naive question. I've been using the glorious SSSAD abstraction (with [presetstore]) to saveload presets in a huge patch, but i'm missing more and more the ability to saveload presets for individual parts of the patch only. E.g. i have two sequencers in the patch, for which i wish to saveload presets independently. I know it's easy to send presets to individual parts when you have hand-made those presets, but what about saving? Is it that the current architecture of SSSAD does not allow this? Then is there a way to modify/develop it to make this possible? Or if it allows, how to do it? Any ideas highly appreciated! Thanks, Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Which Linux distribution are you using?
So, running the aforementioned RT kernel, managed to patch the latest nvidia driver following these general instructions: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9233282postcount=5 I'm already happy because it's quite some time that i haven't had the RT kernel! As i don't use GEM i cannot tell about it, but Pd got faster. Almost as fast as the 32-bit Pd was (on 64-bit Ubuntu - Hardy that time). It means i can almost use my MIDI sequencer patch without the GUI dropping out. Promising! Now i can dig into the patch for optimisation possibilities, and at the same time, keep on bugging the community for speeding up the GUI :o) Do you guys think i shall try it with a current 32-bit Pd to see if the 64-bit version is really slower...? (on a side note to RT kernel experiences: the CPU got hotter indeed, looks like i'll have to tweak the cooling fans again...) Andras On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 9:27 AM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: hello, 195.36.24 is the nvidia driver version i'm using. mainly because it's the version shiped with ubuntu 10.04. i don't know what 260 would offer better, but i think it's not impressive. most of nvidia upgrade is adding support for new card. anyway, if you don't use graphics for any important stuff, then you probably don't care. i'll be interested to know your impression if you try this kernel for pd/Gem. Cyrille Le 14/11/2010 18:02, András Murányi a écrit : i'm using Ubuntu Lucid with standard kernel (64-bit), and performance in Pd hasn't really impressed me lately... and WHOA i've just found a PPA with RT kernel (https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa/https://launchpad.net/%7Eabogani/+archive/ppa/), which i'm very interested in - it's just that it comes with older Nvidia drivers 195.36.24 while the latest drivers from Nvidia are 260.19.21. Now does anyone know if i'll loose anything important with this older (but appropriately patched for RT) graphics driver? (btw i don't use graphics for anything important...) Andras On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 3:25 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net mailto:c...@chnry.net wrote: hello, you say that you need a RT kernel : did you benchmarck the difference between a RT kernel and a standard kernel? anyway, i'm using ubuntu 10.04 with no optimisation. compiling pd/Gem is very fast and easy, so i don't wait the official package... cyrille Le 14/11/2010 13:48, Pierre Massat a écrit : Hi all! I have realized lately that Fedora/PlanetCCRMA may not be the best linux rt distro out there in terms of updates for Pd. So I wanted to conduct a survey among pd-list members to know who is using what. It seems like Ubuntu Studio is the distro that's most frequently updated. Too bed because the last time i tried to install it on my laptop it didn't work... Any advice would be appreciated. I need a rt kernel, of course... Pierre ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Linux Computer for mappping with GEM
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 1:42 PM, F. Medeiros excali...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you for the advice, I really appreciate it. The reason I choose 2 cards instead of the triplehead2go was just to avoid hazzle, if the triplehead2go is easier to setup in Linux then I guess that is what I will use since I don't have much time and prefer to spend it creating nice visuals than setting up video cards. For the capture card I was also worried about the latency so I will search for one with the bt8x8 chip, I don't know if it is easy because all the hauppauge I see for sale now are PCIe and say they have a new chip that I dont't know if it is working but I can always change it if doesn't work. Look on eBay for PCTV PCI cards from Miro or from Hauppage or from Pinnacle, they are most likely bt8x8 based. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Which Linux distribution are you using?
i'm using Ubuntu Lucid with standard kernel (64-bit), and performance in Pd hasn't really impressed me lately... and WHOA i've just found a PPA with RT kernel (https://launchpad.net/~abogani/+archive/ppa/), which i'm very interested in - it's just that it comes with older Nvidia drivers 195.36.24 while the latest drivers from Nvidia are 260.19.21. Now does anyone know if i'll loose anything important with this older (but appropriately patched for RT) graphics driver? (btw i don't use graphics for anything important...) Andras On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 3:25 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: hello, you say that you need a RT kernel : did you benchmarck the difference between a RT kernel and a standard kernel? anyway, i'm using ubuntu 10.04 with no optimisation. compiling pd/Gem is very fast and easy, so i don't wait the official package... cyrille Le 14/11/2010 13:48, Pierre Massat a écrit : Hi all! I have realized lately that Fedora/PlanetCCRMA may not be the best linux rt distro out there in terms of updates for Pd. So I wanted to conduct a survey among pd-list members to know who is using what. It seems like Ubuntu Studio is the distro that's most frequently updated. Too bed because the last time i tried to install it on my laptop it didn't work... Any advice would be appreciated. I need a rt kernel, of course... Pierre ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] .deb for AMD64 Maverick
...and let me throw in the recruitment bit - once you feel up to it, you can set up your machine to autobuildupload it on a daily basis. It's painless! Andras On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 9:03 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: Hey Spencer, I think a good first step is posting a link to it here. Once you think its been tested enough, we can add it to the download page as a contributed build. .hc On Nov 14, 2010, at 2:08 PM, Spencer Russell wrote: I just upgraded to Ubuntu Maverick 64-bit, and the first thing I did was grab pd-extended 0.42.5 and build a deb, because there currently isn't one on the download page. What's the protocol for submitting the deb? I haven't really tested it much yet, but so far so good. Thanks, Spencer ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list “We must become the change we want to see. - Mahatma Gandhi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] .deb for AMD64 Maverick
2010/11/14 Spencer Russell spencer.f.russ...@gmail.com The package can be found at: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/106774/Pd-0.42.5-extended-ubuntu-maverick-amd64.deb Test away! 2010/11/14 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: ...and let me throw in the recruitment bit - once you feel up to it, you can set up your machine to autobuildupload it on a daily basis. It's painless! Unfortunately I don't have a machine that's always on and connected, but I'll be happy to build and contribute releases as they come out. In that case, a cron-job which downloads the newest sources and starts the autobuild script can free you some time :o) That's how it goes and no one requires you to start up your machine and connect more often than you do now. Of course, only if you can spare that processing power. Releases are too rare, in my opinion. But i don't want to push you. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Building pd-x on mac (was Re: (no subject))
On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 8:38 PM, Mark Pasquesi mjsque...@yahoo.com wrote: Hello, Would like to build for 10.5.8, Pd-extended. Using a macbook Pro, dual core , 2.5, 4 gb ram. Have had troubles with both the build using git - when calling from the terminal, it opens with limited time - I wish it would run, and have all needed Fink files after 10 days... My fink tcltk is 8.4.19-3, and I had to install 8.5 as a binary after the 8.4/8.5 source builds failed (svn) the pd-extended svn also fails after a few functions, even after I downgraded all fink versions to be explicitly the same as listed on the dev page. Of course I also removed all other versions of pd from usr/. Only gmp is higher (gmp5 5.0.1-5, gmp5-shlibs) though the gmp-shlibs is still 4.3.2-5. Any ideas of possible conflicts, libraries to remove or upgrade, would be welcome. cheers, MJ Hi Mark, Thanks to Ray Tomlinson email subjects come for free :)) You could try building by the autobuild scripts http://puredata.info/docs/developer/AutoBuildProcess Or you could post the errors here so that people can tell you more. Also make sure you followed this carefully http://puredata.info/docs/developer/MacOSXFink Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI speed
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.cawrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Tue, 28 Sep 2010, Bernardo Barros wrote: Is there already some benchmarks of the new puredata gui? Would be nice to have it. It's nowhere close to being a rewrite : essentially, all of the code that you would benchmark has almost not changed since Pd 42. I mean it hasn't changed much since way before that time : afair, Pd 38 was the last time there was a speed improvement, and it was due to the addition of sys_queuegui. There were a number of bugfixes and other changes not related to speed. Much of the speed improvement that can be made, can only be made by modifying Tk's source code itself (or switching to a different renderer). ...and/or, as far as i understood, reinventing pd in a way that the GUI doesn't chat with the core about gui elements and their properties, but the core is limited to audio and other abstract calculations and it's the GUI which takes care of everything that happens on the GUI. I'm not sure if i understood this right, and i suspect that it's a tremendous work, and i also suspect that it may involve externals to be rewritten, but i have a feeling that Tcl/Tk is not that slow by itself but the bottleneck is GUI-core communication. C'mon, drawing a number with a big font threatens the CPU? On the computers we have, in 2010? I can't believe that. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [route] object confusion
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 10:50 PM, Tyler Leavitt thecryofl...@gmail.comwrote: hello all, this should be a basic question for probably the majority of you, but i'm a n00b so here goes. i'm working with the [plugin~] object and want to use a [popup] object to make it more manageable. so my idea was pretty elementary [listplugins( [plugin~]---[route label]-[append $1(--[popup] my error is $1: argument number out of range so i'm pretty sure it is expecting a float and getting a symbol. i'm sure this is a pretty basic p:d concept but i can't grasp how to send a message with a variable symbol coming in, if that makes sense. i need to be sending [append PhaserII( or something similar. when i [print] the [route label] i get the PhaserII, but it's not passing that along in the append message. try [prepend append] instead of [append $1( Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] editing puredata.info
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:30 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.atwrote: On 2010-09-24 20:05, András Murányi wrote: I think it goes by tagging pages that are made elsewhere on the wiki, and 'Software' itself is a script. right. all software projects are listed on the software page. you can add a new software project by clicking on add software project in the top-right corner of the page. dfmar IOhannes I can't see that link (logged in) Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] editing puredata.info
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:22 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.atwrote: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 08:41:41PM +0200, András Murányi wrote: I can't see that link (logged in) you are talking about https://puredata.info/software (there it should show up) or https://puredata.info/downloads (there it should not) fgamdsr IOhannes https://puredata.info/software which redirects me to https://puredata.info/community/projects/software ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI speed
On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:45 AM, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, it's not very exportable as i have modified/overwritten some abstractions made by others. Baaad practice! I'm trying to attach it now and i hope i works. Need pd-extended and many libs from it, moonlib for sure. not much, some abstractions are missing. anyway, even with the patch not working, I can see something is definitively wrong. just by opening it with audio off, I get consistent 50% cpu usage - which means it's using a whole processor of my dual core. unless one of the missing abs is the problem, I would suggest you spend some hours bug tracking. yes, i've spent some nights bug tracking, and at one point i thought ask the list too... :o) something is definitely wrong! On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote: FWIW you may want to try to simply cut pieces of the patch while it is running and observe the cpu load meter until it drops. That way you should be able to locate the problem quicker. yes, i was trying thing like this, and will go on until i find what i messed up. I was just starting to think that it's normal and i have to live with it (or get a few more CPU cores) but now you guys reassured me that the bug is somewhere... in the haystack Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GUI speed
well, i meant a bug in my patch... what i understood was that it overloaded the CPU on João's box too 2010/9/28 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com maybe this is a bug od pd-gui? (well, poor performance *is* a bug) 2010/9/27 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 11:45 AM, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: Well, it's not very exportable as i have modified/overwritten some abstractions made by others. Baaad practice! I'm trying to attach it now and i hope i works. Need pd-extended and many libs from it, moonlib for sure. not much, some abstractions are missing. anyway, even with the patch not working, I can see something is definitively wrong. just by opening it with audio off, I get consistent 50% cpu usage - which means it's using a whole processor of my dual core. unless one of the missing abs is the problem, I would suggest you spend some hours bug tracking. yes, i've spent some nights bug tracking, and at one point i thought ask the list too... :o) something is definitely wrong! On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Ivica Ico Bukvic i...@vt.edu wrote: FWIW you may want to try to simply cut pieces of the patch while it is running and observe the cpu load meter until it drops. That way you should be able to locate the problem quicker. yes, i was trying thing like this, and will go on until i find what i messed up. I was just starting to think that it's normal and i have to live with it (or get a few more CPU cores) but now you guys reassured me that the bug is somewhere... in the haystack Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] editing puredata.info
Hm, i thought it goes similar to this: http://puredata.info/docs/sitedocs/AddingToTheExhibition I just don't know which keywords to use. But now, taking a look, it could be a whole different mechanism :) 2010/9/26 Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com Thanks Andras, I thought the same, but the question is where. Anybody? 2010/9/24 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.comwrote: Hi all, I was about to edit the software page on puredata.info as we discussed in a recent post, but, once logged in, I don't see the usual view/edit tab. Is it because the kind of account or I'm missing something? thanks, -- Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD I think it goes by tagging pages that are made elsewhere on the wiki, and 'Software' itself is a script. Andras -- Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD Independent New Media Arts Professional, Performer, Teacher Ongoing MSc by Research, University of Edinburgh, UK PORTFOLIO: http://marcodonnarumma.com LAB: http://www.thesaddj.com | http://cntrl.sourceforge.net | http://www.flxer.net EVENT: http://www.liveperformersmeeting.net ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] editing puredata.info
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 7:09 PM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.comwrote: Hi all, I was about to edit the software page on puredata.info as we discussed in a recent post, but, once logged in, I don't see the usual view/edit tab. Is it because the kind of account or I'm missing something? thanks, -- Marco Donnarumma aka TheSAD I think it goes by tagging pages that are made elsewhere on the wiki, and 'Software' itself is a script. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] a really fast-to-read codec in linux?
On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 8:11 PM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.cawrote: On Fri, 24 Sep 2010, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote: (guess you mean p-frames and b-frames here) You're right. (though I think I saw i-frame somewhere long ago... Corresponds to inter-frame). I thought that m-jpeg was just jpeg applied to each frame independently i.e. all frames were I-frames (I had read that in wikipedia). You're probably right, but then I wouldn't know what's the difference between Photo-JPEG and Motion-JPEG. Can Motion-JPEG-A be decoded with a Photo-JPEG decoder ? If that's the case, then Motion-JPEG-A would be just a different tuning of a Photo-JPEG encoder. (but Motion-JPEG-B can't be decoded the same). I can't tell much more that isn't just another guess. http://vjforums.com/showthread.php?t=12587 or a shorter one: According to the QuickTime specification, MJPEG A and MJPEG B are both field-based, i.e. each of the two interlaced fields making up a video signal is compressed individually, using the JPEG algorithm. The difference between MJPEG A and MJPEG B is that MJPEG A supports markers in the bitstream whereas MJPEG B does not. Photo JPEG is frame-based, according to the QuickTime specification. To make things confusing, you sometimes see MJPEG A and MJPEG B also allowing frame-based compression. This is the case in Adobe Premiere for instance. (http://w2.alkit.se/servo/servofiles/) Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Free Max?
On Tue, Sep 21, 2010 at 8:57 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato santorcuat...@gmail.com wrote: Max has always offered the possibility of downloading free but a 30-day license, which is that crack, I think it means little, it's like when windows 7 is liberated, we humbly think we use pd for two reasons: the potential and an ethical issue, [...] Plus it doesn't run on Linux and probably won't. Not to mention mobile phones... :o) Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] MIDI connection graph at each beat?
2010/9/21 Raphael Raccuia rafael.racc...@blindekinder.com Hi, I had the same bug one year later, I think with vanilla... IO gave me a hack on this list, but then it seemed to be resolved as I installed PD-extended... but that bug has just returned... The solution was to launch pd with: $ pd -alsamidi -mididev 1,1 the old topic is here: http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/msg30157.html I'll try it tomorrow and report... but if anybody knows what the problem is... how did it disappeared for you? cheers raf ...it just disappeared... while i was not using pd for a few days :-o Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] what happen to Pd on June 8th?
2010/9/17 Lorenzo lsut...@libero.it Well, the spike is present only for Pd-0.41.4-extended.exe So, profiling is here at the moment: cca 4000 guys from germany who were using linux and downloaded extended for windows. sounds like a robot went berserk (i mean, a script or something). But then does this actually report the browser/download agent OS or the downloaded file type? http://sourceforge.net/projects/pure-data/files/pd-extended/0.41.4/stats/os?dates=2010-06-08+to+2010-06-08 Lorenzo This particular page sums up every file in 0.41.4, but if you click on 'change file' you can narrow it to individual files. The right column, as far as i understand, tells about the download clients used. 2010/9/17 Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt Is it the same IP? Is it possible for to check? unless it was a complex script, it would appear as the same ip. I suppose SourceForge doesn't let us see the IPs :) Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 6 released!
Maybe i'm short of rationality, (and i may sound weird, please don't misunderstand) but for me it's like a race issue... we shall not discriminate windows users, because most of them were born into windows. It's not like you buy your first computer and the vendor asks you which OS please?, and you have a 360 degree view of them you if you are cool you choose linux, and if you are a jerk you choose windows. Be more tolerant, and of course be happy that you are already on the right side, but try to help those on the dark side rather than abandoning them. Just 2 cents. Andras On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 3:03 PM, Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.comwrote: Just stop losing energy with Windows. Better concentrate our limited resources Linux is better for audio anyway, and it's so easy to use/install/try these days. 2010/9/16 ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.com: ola, The Windows package is still the most downloaded. so what? that's where the big illusion stands ( having more customers? ) do you expect any of these to be great creators??? we'll see hey sevy ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.42.5: problems with gridflow + gem pdp
Of course - it's done! On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: Is V4L2 problem with Gem or PDP or both? Are you using Ubuntu/Lucid i386/32bit or amd64/64bit? libv4l-dev is installed on the Ubuntu/lucid i386 32-bit but not on the ubuntu-lucid-amd64 machine. (András, could you apt-get install libv4l-dev on your machine?) .hc On Sep 17, 2010, at 6:36 AM, Antonio Bonifacio wrote: Hello, I've just installed Pd-extended 0.42.5 from the Ubuntu Lucid repo at http://apt.puredata.info/releases, and I've successfully built gridflow 9.11. However I have a couple of problems: gridflow objects that bridge with gem pdp like #to_pix or #to_pdp do not work. Maybe because there are no gem or pdp includes in the pd-extended package? The second problem is related to the missing support for libv4l2 in the lucid package... In fact I have to use LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so pdextended to make my webcam work with pd-extended... Could you provide a build with v4l2 support? Thanks :) -- “90% of people do not read, out of those who read 90% do not understand, out of those who understand 90% forget” ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended-0.42.5: problems with gridflow + gem pdp
I've triggered the build but pdx failed (rsync error: received SIGINT, SIGTERM, or SIGHUP... dunno why) so i'm running it again... On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: Ok, looks like the problem was that libv4l-dev was not installed on the ubuntu-lucid-amd64 build machine. I'll post a new build once its done. .hc On Sep 17, 2010, at 10:25 AM, Antonio Bonifacio wrote: Sorry, I forgot to specify that I'm on KXStudio, based on Ubuntu Lucid 64bit. The problem is with both GEM and PDP/pidip. 2010/9/17 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: Is V4L2 problem with Gem or PDP or both? Are you using Ubuntu/Lucid i386/32bit or amd64/64bit? libv4l-dev is installed on the Ubuntu/lucid i386 32-bit but not on the ubuntu-lucid-amd64 machine. (András, could you apt-get install libv4l-dev on your machine?) .hc On Sep 17, 2010, at 6:36 AM, Antonio Bonifacio wrote: Hello, I've just installed Pd-extended 0.42.5 from the Ubuntu Lucid repo at http://apt.puredata.info/releases, and I've successfully built gridflow 9.11. However I have a couple of problems: gridflow objects that bridge with gem pdp like #to_pix or #to_pdp do not work. Maybe because there are no gem or pdp includes in the pd-extended package? The second problem is related to the missing support for libv4l2 in the lucid package... In fact I have to use LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so pdextended to make my webcam work with pd-extended... Could you provide a build with v4l2 support? Thanks :) -- “90% of people do not read, out of those who read 90% do not understand, out of those who understand 90% forget” ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list There is no way to peace, peace is the way. -A.J. Muste -- “90% of people do not read, out of those who read 90% do not understand, out of those who understand 90% forget” It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] pd-extended source
On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 8:10 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: The rsync/script method should work. I'm in the process of setting up a Maverick/i386 box, I guess it's the box which is Lucid at the moment? What about then upgrading the Hardy box to Lucid, as it is the current LTS? ...I know it's no fun :o) Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] MIDI connection graph at each beat?
thanks for the advice. the symptom has disappeared (which is all i was wishing for), but if it ever returns, i'll do a checkup Andras 2010/9/13 Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt Does it bounce with any MIDI app or just pd? Try rosegarden for instance. 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com 2010/9/5 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Hello List, I'm having a new problem with ALSA MIDI: obseving QJackCtl's ALSA Connections and the Mesages it seems the MIDI connection graph changes with each MIDI message that is to be sent out. There is no effective output (when there shall be). Looks like MIDI gets reset with every output, using noteout-help.pd as well. Pd version 0.42.5-extended latest autobuild, 64-bit. Sorry for bouncing this. I think it's not a bug whatsoever, but i've messed up something. I've just seen the same on my friend's box (very different Pd version, 32-bit, the only same are Lucid and Jack). Any hints? I'm kinda stuck :-/ Thanks, Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (ongoing MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] what happen to Pd on June 8th?
Well, the spike is present only for Pd-0.41.4-extended.exe So, profiling is here at the moment: cca 4000 guys from germany who were using linux and downloaded extended for windows. sounds like a robot went berserk (i mean, a script or something). Andras 2010/9/17 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at It actually seems to be Linux users from Germany, if you look at the right hand column: https://sourceforge.net/projects/pure-data/files/pd-extended/0.41.4/stats/timeline?dates=2010-06-08+to+2010-06-09 .hc On Sep 16, 2010, at 8:38 PM, András Murányi wrote: hm! couldn't find an originating web page, but it's all windows and visitors from germany... http://sourceforge.net/projects/pure-data/files/pd-extended/0.41.4/Pd-0.41.4-extended.exe/stats/timeline?dates=2010-06-08+to+2010-06-09 http://www.google.com/search?q=pure-datahl=ensafe=offprmd=ivsa=Xei=DrCSTOncOM2TjAef5ZivBQved=0CAwQpwUsource=lnttbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A6%2F8%2F2010%2Ccd_max%3A9%2F9%2F2010#sclient=psyhl=ensafe=offtbs=cdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A6%2F7%2F2010%2Ccd_max%3A6%2F9%2F2010q=pure-data+site%3A.deaq=faqi=aql=oq=pure-data+site%3A.degs_rfai=pbx=1fp=16ab8ded4f80e384 maybe this? http://web.uni-weimar.de/medien/wiki/Pure_Data_-_wo_finde_ich_Hilfe%3F Andras On Fri, Sep 17, 2010 at 12:49 AM, Ludwig Maes ludwig.m...@gmail.comwrote: interesting indeed, somebody might have posted a cool puredata tutorial on youtube? or ... On 17 September 2010 00:16, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: I was just looking at the Pd-extended download stats and there was a huge spike on June 8th and 9th of this year, from about 300 a day to almost 3,000 in one day. Anyone know what happened in Pd land on that day? http://sourceforge.net/projects/pure-data/files/pd-extended/0.41.4/stats/timeline?dates=2010-02-01+to+2010-09-16 hc Man has survived hitherto because he was too ignorant to know how to realize his wishes. Now that he can realize them, he must either change them, or perish.-William Carlos Williams ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Muranyi Andras The arc of history bends towards justice. - Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD extended, Linux 64 32 bits
On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a veteran gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. Hi There, I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red Hat for a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up finally a few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of memory), and my impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in the case of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI-core communication and Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, well actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than the 32-bit version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it really cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has to be tuned for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting rid of eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. After all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, and what you install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i find a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing my kernel. :) Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] MIDI connection graph at each beat?
2010/9/5 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Hello List, I'm having a new problem with ALSA MIDI: obseving QJackCtl's ALSA Connections and the Mesages it seems the MIDI connection graph changes with each MIDI message that is to be sent out. There is no effective output (when there shall be). Looks like MIDI gets reset with every output, using noteout-help.pd as well. Pd version 0.42.5-extended latest autobuild, 64-bit. Sorry for bouncing this. I think it's not a bug whatsoever, but i've messed up something. I've just seen the same on my friend's box (very different Pd version, 32-bit, the only same are Lucid and Jack). Any hints? I'm kinda stuck :-/ Thanks, Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD extended, Linux 64 32 bits
Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right? 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try. 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a veteran gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. Hi There, I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red Hat for a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up finally a few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of memory), and my impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in the case of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI-core communication and Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, well actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than the 32-bit version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it really cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has to be tuned for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting rid of eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. After all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, and what you install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i find a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing my kernel. :) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD extended, Linux 64 32 bits
Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA have these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc... 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right? 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try. 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a veteran gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. Hi There, I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red Hat for a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up finally a few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of memory), and my impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in the case of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI-core communication and Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, well actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than the 32-bit version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it really cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has to be tuned for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting rid of eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. After all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, and what you install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i find a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing my kernel. :) -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD extended, Linux 64 32 bits
Ahh, livna You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to Ubuntu, what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe that's the way forward. Thanks, Andras 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your repos. 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA have these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc... 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right? 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try. 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a veteran gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. Hi There, I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red Hat for a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up finally a few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of memory), and my impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in the case of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI-core communication and Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, well actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than the 32-bit version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it really cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has to be tuned for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting rid of eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. After all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, and what you install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i find a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing my kernel. :) -- Muranyi Andras -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD extended, Linux 64 32 bits
Nope. It's gone. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1388451 Andras 2010/9/13 Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt Sorry just double checking something András... there's no rt kernel for 64 bits Ubuntu? (or you're saying for the lucid lynx?) Cause karmic koala has rt, I have Ubuntu Studio 64 bits with rt [1] [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/9.10release_notes 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Ahh, livna You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to Ubuntu, what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe that's the way forward. Thanks, Andras 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your repos. 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA have these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc... 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right? 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try. 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a veteran gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. Hi There, I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red Hat for a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up finally a few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of memory), and my impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in the case of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI-core communication and Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, well actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than the 32-bit version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it really cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has to be tuned for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting rid of eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. After all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, and what you install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i find a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing my kernel. :) -- Muranyi Andras -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes (ongoing MSc) contact: pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD extended, Linux 64 32 bits
Well, i never really used Fedora... I used RH back then, and when i was to get back to Linux after XP, I have evaluated many distros, and Ubuntu seemed kinda promising. Why did it seem promising to me? - large user base - entirely non-for-profit - targeted the desktop more definitely than some others - software with different copyrights avalable in a rather integrated way (universe, multiverse, medibuntu) - nice brownish look :o) Andras 2010/9/14 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com just curious... why switch from fedora to ubuntu? 2010/9/13 Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at: The Debian tools make it quite easy and manageable to build your own kernel. Try that before switching :) .hc On Sep 13, 2010, at 4:21 PM, András Murányi wrote: Ahh, livna You know, know that i have convinced my Fedora friends to switch to Ubuntu, what do I tall them when i go back? :o) I'll take a look at it, and also at home-brewing a kernel. Maybe that's the way forward. Thanks, Andras 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com Then you have to add Fusion free+non-free (maybe livna?) to your repos. 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: Hhh, switching distro seems harder than moving to another country sometimes... :o) I heard that some non-free stuff if missing from Fedora, does CCRMA have these? Like some proprietary codecs, etc... 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com yes, planet_ccrma is a repo for the Fedora/CentOS/RedHat family I like it 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: Hmm, hmm. That means switching to Fedora, right? 2010/9/13 Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.com Planet CCRMA offers rt-kernel for x86_64 systems. Give it a try. 2010/9/13 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:59 PM, jm jones juan...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, usually I install the 64 bits version of, but the last time, I dont remember why : ) (maybe to avoid any problems) I installed the 32 bits version of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Is a repo of pd-extended for 10.04 available? And about the 32 vs 64 bits, what are your choices? And what about distros? Pure:dyne seems more lightweight with his xfce desktop, however I have a good processor (core 2 duo intel e7200) and 2gb of ram, planning an update to 6gb, so I dont know if xfce is a must for me. Im a veteran gnu/linux user, but the last years I was using OS X and W7 for music making. In Linux I want to use pd, Renoise (its available as 64 bits too), and wine for some vsts. Hi There, I'm sort of a veteran too (started on IBM AIX in 1992, used Red Hat for a long time, then went back to Windows 98, later XP, which i gave up finally a few years ago). I'm using vanilla Ubuntu 10.04 64-bit with Gnome (and 2GB of memory), and my impression is that it's not the WM that makes things slow, but in the case of Pd, it's Pd itself. Read the archives on GUI-core communication and Tcl/Tk weirdnesses. The 64-bit version of Pd is quite tidy now, well actually there was a time when it seemed to me a bit slower than the 32-bit version, but AFAIK there's no reason for that any more (?) With a decent CPU and that huge amount of RAM you (will) have, it really cannot be a question of WM whatsoever. Of course, the system has to be tuned for realtime, undisturbed audio usage, which may include getting rid of eye-candy functions, but i never experienced a problem with those. After all, they use openGL, don't they? The same stands for pure:dyne; at the core it's a linux kernel, and what you install on (or remove from) the top, it's up to you. The only thing i'm missing here on 64-bit is the RT kernel. Once i find a nice quick way, i'll grab it, but i'm not really into home-brewing my kernel. :) -- Muranyi Andras -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list I have always wished for my computer to be as easy to use as my telephone; my wish has come true because I can no longer figure out how to use my telephone. --Bjarne Stroustrup (creator of C++) -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata.info wiki structured text format?
this may help: http://plone.org/documentation/kb/structured-text-cheatsheet On Sun, Sep 12, 2010 at 2:20 AM, João Pais jmmmp...@googlemail.com wrote: Hi, is there any place where it shows what are the tricks to use structured text in the pd wiki? I couldn't find any help window. For example, many wikis nowadays offer pre-formated options. Is it possible in this one as well? João Pais -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] MIDI connection graph at each beat?
Hello List, I'm having a new problem with ALSA MIDI: obseving QJackCtl's ALSA Connections and the Mesages it seems the MIDI connection graph changes with each MIDI message that is to be sent out. There is no effective output (when there shall be). Looks like MIDI gets reset with every output, using noteout-help.pd as well. Pd version 0.42.5-extended latest autobuild, 64-bit. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] openpanel crash
...or Hans or Max Neupert may be able to help you...
2010/8/29 Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu
Cool... I'm not sure how to run mac Apps 'remotely' (-NXHost worked 20
years ago but seems to be no longer :) so the path of least resistance
for me is still likely to be to stalk a machine at UCSD.
thanks
M
On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 12:01:32AM +0200, András Murányi wrote:
This one, by any chance?
http://puredata.info/docs/developer/MacOSX106X8664
BTW, we are working on a new, buildbot based builder network, and
buildbot's
try feature is just for this kind of testing purpose
http://buildbot.net/buildbot/docs/latest/try.html
(I'm not saying you should wait until it becomes available, because there
is
still much work to go!)
Andras
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 11:42 PM, Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu wrote:
Damn... time for me to go squat a 10.6 machine somewhere...
M
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 05:40:11PM -0400, William Brent wrote:
Gave it a shot, but no luck. Let me know if anything else comes to
mind and I can check it.
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 4:57 PM, Miller Puckette m...@ucsd.edu
wrote:
thanks for the reminder... I still have no way to reproduce this
one,
but I saw something to 'improve' in... if you're feeling proactive,
try
replacing the pdtk_openpanel and pdtk_savepanel routines in
tcl/wheredoesthisgo.tcl with...
proc pdtk_openpanel {target localdir} {
if {! [file isdirectory $localdir]} {
if { ! [file isdirectory $::fileopendir]} {
set ::fileopendir $::env(HOME)
}
set localdir $::fileopendir
}
set filename [tk_getOpenFile -initialdir $localdir]
if {$filename ne } {
set ::fileopendir [file dirname $filename]
pdsend $target callback [enquote_path $filename]
}
}
proc pdtk_savepanel {target localdir} {
if {! [file isdirectory $localdir]} {
if { ! [file isdirectory $::filenewdir]} {
set ::filenewdir $::env(HOME)
}
set localdir $::filenewdir
}
set filename [tk_getSaveFile -initialdir $localdir]
if {$filename ne } {
pdsend $target callback [enquote_path $filename]
}
}
(no recompilation needed) and see if that helps.
cheers
M
On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 03:59:05PM -0400, William Brent wrote:
Just wanted to raise this thread again while there's so much
progress
being made. Sorry if it's already an item on the to do list.
I still get the openpanel crash consistently with OSX 10.6.4 with
Pd-0.43-0test2 (as well as Pd-0.42-5). As Alexandre said, the
only
fix is to create a new patch with [openpanel] in it, then open the
patch you actually want to use.
William
On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Alexandre Porres
por...@gmail.com
wrote:
hey, I am using 10.6.3 as well... damn...
well...
cheers
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Re: [PD] laptop for pd/gem
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 3:06 PM, pierre pie...@314r.net wrote: Hi all I'm in the way to buy a laptop theses days and would know if someone could give me a good advice, I need to install a debian (or ubuntu) system on it. I'll use the laptop for audio/video liveshows with pd/gem, with many GEM objects so a good graphic card is needed I have a max ~900euros budget. Short story : Some years ago a bought an asus a8js with 7700Go nvidia graphic card, very good performances and linux friendly, worked perfectly with all debian/ubuntu distros I've used and I've done a lot of lives and works with it... BUT ! This card have burned and damaged all my motherboard ! This is due to a very bad graphic nvidia (proprietary) driver, explanations here : http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/warning-nvidia-19675-drivers-can-kill-your-graphics-card/7551 Now a lots of laptop are shipped with ATI cards, so my questions are : - are ATI cards goods for pd/gem users ? ATI cards are less good for Linux users :o/ as support is sparse and sometimes (especially a few years after buying the computer) you may have problems finding a driver. I think a motherboard-burning driver is an exceptional problem which should not repeat anytime soon, so I'd go with Nvidia. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] abstraction precedence
On Thu, Aug 26, 2010 at 9:19 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I made a patch in Pd Vanilla and happened to create some abstractions that have same names (but completely different functionality) as some Pd Extended objects; so now if I open it in Pd Extended, the externals will be used instead of my abstractions. Is there a way I can change this precedence, and have the abstractions in the patch folder take priority over library externals in case of name clashes? thanks m, You're asking how do i win a fight? and i'd say avoid the fight :o) what i'm saying is you could rename those abstractions, and i'f they are used too frequently in patches you could searchreplace all occurrences at once with a text editor or grep. Of course if there is no other circumstance that goes against it. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [ot] sueing the mailing list...
On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 4:46 PM, Charles Henry czhe...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Aug 23, 2010 at 5:49 AM, IEM - network operating center (IOhannes m zmoelnig) n...@iem.at wrote: what do you think of all this? fgmasdr IOhannes While, if i was the list owner, would responsibly slap a pie in the face of the guy :o), it may also make sense to add the word public somewhere to the listinfo page, and to the Welcome mail as well. Right now it says private which can confuse those who are easily confused. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Oss and PCM out (Ubuntu 10.04)
On Fri, Jul 30, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Ingo Scherzinger i...@miamiwave.comwrote: Hi everybody, I remember reading something about enabling the SPDIF output (pcm out) while using OSS. Unfortunately I couldn't find it anymore. I am on Ubuntu Lucid. The digital out of the (onboard) soundcard works when I use ALSA. However, when I switch to OSS it doesn't even output a sync signal. I know it can be enabled (probably in modprobe.d) but I don't know how exactly. Any ideas? Ingo ...and switching the digital out in ALSA mixer has no effect on OSS? I remember using it regardless of what sound system is in effect... Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] building pd-extended fedora 64bit
On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 1:23 AM, Bernardo Barros bernardobarr...@gmail.comwrote: Hi, I can`t get this packages to build the pd-extended (rc) for fedora 13 64bit. What is the easy way to get them? No package libquicktime available. No package libquicktime-devel available. No package faad2 available. No package faac available. No package ffmpeg-libs available. No package a52dec available. No package a52dec-devel available. No package ffmpeg available. No package ffmpeg-devel available. No package libmpeg3-devel available. http://ccrma.stanford.edu/planetccrma/mirror/fedora/linux/planetcore/13/x86_64/(? i cannot try here) Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Future of Motorsounds in Electric Cars and Games
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 6:49 PM, ede cameron ecame...@videotron.ca wrote: On 2010-07-11, at 12:16 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Sun, 11 Jul 2010, ede cameron wrote: rules is more than likely the reason they aren't been developed. I'm sure we envision flying cars as the chance of flying from A to B in a straight line. The mess that would be created with everyone flying from A to B in a straight line would be chaos to say the least. Individually-flying people is a waste of fuel that doesn't make any sense considering the post-1960's economics of energy. Therefore, to make it worthwhile for the masses, it has to be in the form of large-scale public transportation with specially-trained drivers. That way you could establish, for example, a bus line driving diagonally from Ahuntsic to Hochelaga that could save up to 29,7% on distance, and up to 100% on traffic lights, using a specially-crafted fleet of these : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8MSTGyFHUuk _ _ __ ___ _ _ _ ... | Mathieu Bouchard, Montréal, Québec. téléphone: +1.514.383.3801 Okay but this guy wouldn't pass the eye exam. LOL ede interesting topic, interesting thoughts. I just hope HG is subscribed to the list and actually reads these. (If not, nothing is lost: http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2010-07/thread.html) So, a minimum sound level, and a maximum level is regulation is desirable, and if we're talking about sound branding, i would add the sounds shall be easy to identify with a car, most like they shall sound like an engine. They shall express speed and acceleration, and shall be easy for the ear the estimate the direction where they are coming from (no idea what this implies... harmonics?), and i guess, they shall react well to doppler effect (again, i have a serious lack of knowledge in audio theory). They might also need to avoid the resonance frequencies of some typical things (the skull, and average size home windows for example), and they need to be free of sounds that have a known negative mental effect. (And cannot broadcast subconsciously audible advertisements :) Within these regulations, companies shall be free to brand their car sounds. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Future of Motorsounds in Electric Cars and Games
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 9:17 PM, hghoyer m...@hghoyer.de wrote: Hi, I would be glad if you participate in my brief survey. It is about sounds in computer games and electric cars ... http://research.hghoyer.de/index.php?sid=71581lang=en Sorry, my question has to do only indirectly related to PD. I am happy you are interested, include evaluation of the survey! Thanks Hans Interesting stuff. Please let me just drop my 2 cents in: (SPOILER ALERT!) - Some of the (english language) questions were really hard for to understand (maybe because i'm not native english either) - Lot of talk about sound with no sounds! I would have been happy to listen to different sounds and express my preferences, but deciding on _loose descriptions_ of sounds is much harder for me. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] software license for pd general patch?
2010/6/30 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca On Tue, 29 Jun 2010, Bernardo Barros wrote: Interesting. Is there plans for others gui toolkits? no. ...see the archives for reasoning. The question came up earlier this year. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:46 AM, David Schaffer schafferda...@hotmail.comwrote: I'm neither nuts, nor a consumer. I just happen to be impressed by a patch I came across a while ago, it was a TR 909 emulation and looked very professionnal. It's basically what I'm trying to do: building pd patches (like improved media players, virtual FX racks, video dispatchers...) that can be used by non-pd people, people who are used to interact with standard user interfaces, see? The 909 emulation was nice, but i couldn't make it work on Linux. (not only Pd but Processing was needed too). So, you can always control Pd from an external GUI using network messages, but you have to do it smart to keep it platform-independent. Web-Pd is a project i'm very interested in - when it gets vanilla functionality, we'll have a chance to fabricate wonderful GUIs while staying in the browser, which means staying platform-independent (eventually browser-independent too). Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [OT] Jaunty people
Hello everybody on Ubuntu Jaunty, i see you are still many... and having more and more problems (lack of fresh Jaunty Pd build etc.) Well i'd just like to encourage you to upgrade to Lucid. I've done it recently on 64-bit (which is, bug-wise, usually lagging behind the 32-bit version), and it's fine. Just be aware that you might get a better result with installing Lucid from a CD rather than upgrading through Karmic. I had the following problems: - Compiz and window decorator don't start up automatically. It's a bug which never occurs with a fresh Lucid install. - Nvidia driver upgrade may fail and needs all nvidia stuff to purged first, and maybe some more hacking. Never occurs with a fresh install. - Some programs and libs are removed during the upgrade, they have to be reinstalled. (If you plan to make a fresh install and then copy your original home dir (with tons of your old settings) over the fresh one, don't copy session and compiz related dirs, or you might mess up your compiz.) I'll be glad to help you guys with your upgrade. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] send midi to another program in windows? (not with [midifile])
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 12:45 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.atwrote: On 2010-06-30 12:19, João Pais wrote: Hi, my attempts to work with [midifile] didn't work, as something in the files is saved wrong, and all my midi-related programs (sibelius, reason, logic,...) display a much slower file than the one I saved. Also, midifile only takes integers as midipitches, which is rather limiting. that's a limitation of MIDI. if you want to fly, you probably should grow wings. I wanted to send midi directly from Pd to any of the other said programs. Can anyone recommend a jack-kind of software for midi? well, jack can route MIDI as well...(and ALSA does MIDI-routing as well) on w32, you could try midiyoke. mfgasdr IOhannes Hubi's MIDI Loopback, if it still exists. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question
2010/6/30 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at On 2010-06-30 12:50, András Murányi wrote: On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:46 AM, David Schaffer schafferda...@hotmail.comwrote: I'm neither nuts, nor a consumer. I just happen to be impressed by a patch I came across a while ago, it was a TR 909 emulation and looked very professionnal. It's basically what I'm trying to do: building pd patches (like improved media players, virtual FX racks, video dispatchers...) that can be used by non-pd people, people who are used to interact with standard user interfaces, see? The 909 emulation was nice, but i couldn't make it work on Linux. (not only Pd but Processing was needed too). what's the problem with proce55ing on linux? fgma IOhannes Uh, I'm sorry, i don't remember any more what was the problem. I just remember the thing didn't work out and it was something with processing. From a more positive perspective, can someone who succeeded running the 909 emulation on Linux tell us how it goes? Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] linux preempt kernel vs rt kernel
Buh, it seems then i'll need to get a kernel from a PPA or compile it myself. A bit afraid of it, honestly. Thanks for the explanation! Andras On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Ricardo Lameiro ricardolame...@gmail.comwrote: well, AFAIK, the RT Kernel is a generic kernel that is modified by a special patch, that is made by Ingo Molnár. This patch gives the kernel the ability to have a behavior that allows the assignment of time frames and allocations to compute rt flagged tasks. Maybe this could be translated to the scheduler.In the other hand, the preemptive kernel, its a normal Generic kernel, that its compiled with different options. At compile time, the configuration of the scheduler and company are configured more aggressively to give a better response to the rt flagged apps. As my opinion, that is worth nothing, the preemptive kernels are comming into a very good level, since the main tree ot the generic kernel, has absorbing parts of Ingo's patches. But, still, the RT kernel is way more accurate on the scheduling etc. problem is that, RT kernels are in nature more Power hungry, and by the nature of its working, they could hang easily a computer, keeping only processing an high prio task. If I said something wrong, please correct me, I have looked at this stuff since a year to try to understand it better, so if someone can explain it better, please do. Ricardo Lameiro 2010/6/26 Andre Osku Schmidt andre.osku.schm...@osku.de On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 22:17 +0200, András Murányi wrote: Hello people, does anyone know what is the real difference between an 'rt' and a 'preempt' kernel in linux? dunno, but here's a pretty interesting talk about real-time kernel http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2010/recordings/day2_1045_How_the_Real_Time_Kernel_Helps_Audio_and_Video_Applications.ogv ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Fagote / Contrafagote Bassoon / Contra-bassoon http://myspace.com/ricardolameiro ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] having both vanilla and extended installed in linux (ubuntu)
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/30/2010 01:03 PM, Marco Donnarumma wrote: Hi Matteo, here on Jaunty with 0.42.5 autobuild the command pdextended works fine. Have you tried to install a latest autobuild as mentioned before? No, I installed the package available on the download page (0.41.something), that's why it ran with pd. I'll try the autobuilds. Btw, regarding the devel (0.43) version, is it an experimental version of Extended or of Vanilla? Currently it is Vanilla (correct me if i'm wrong). Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] having both vanilla and extended installed in linux (ubuntu)
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:26 PM, Matteo Sisti Sette matteosistise...@gmail.com wrote: On 06/30/2010 06:24 PM, András Murányi wrote: Btw, regarding the devel (0.43) version, is it an experimental version of Extended or of Vanilla? Currently it is Vanilla (correct me if i'm wrong). Andras Yeah it seems it's vanilla. _Note_ however that the package description says Pd Extended and actually describes Pd Extended (with a large collection of externals...) That's something that HC needs to note... the cause is surely that the devel branch used to be extended but currently it's vanilla. Which means, if i understand right, that the fancy GUI-rewrite will first appear in vanilla and later in extended. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Problem with Textfile and line with float
You can also see what Chris McCormick's s-abstractions can do for you. I use s-map to handle big 'tables' (many rows of long lists they are). It doesn't need 'list' at the beginning of the lines :) Andras On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 7:17 PM, Jonathan Wilkes jancs...@yahoo.com wrote: None of the [list] objects will work either, for the reasons I wrote below. For an example of what I'm saying, open text-float.txt, add the word list at the beginning and save it. Then you will see that your patch works. If anyone knows of an external that works like [textfile] but outputs each line as a list, that would solve your problem. -Jonathan -- *From:* matohawk matoh...@gmail.com *Cc:* pd-list Pd-list@iem.at *Sent:* Wed, June 30, 2010 3:58:56 AM *Subject:* Re: [PD] Problem with Textfile and line with float Hi Jonathan, Yes I know textfile works but I can't put any kind of object behind this Texfile. I'll try all list object and this the same problem. Look this : http://www.th-th.fr/DOCS/Patch/bug-texfile.pd I need to read this line with float at the begining but I can't. So I think we will take a script to do this because textfile can't do this. Thanks for your help Thomas ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Why not clear printout?
On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:24 PM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.atwrote: On 2010-06-30 20:21, Matteo Sisti Sette wrote: Hi, I've just noticed Pd-Extended 0.42.5 doesn't have the useful clear printout button that Vanilla (0.42.5) has. I know it is a relatively recent addition in Vanilla, but I'm comparing the same version number. Has it been intentionally removed in Extended? there's a keyboard shortcut for clearing the pd-console. SHIFT-CTRL-L it's also in the 'edit' menu Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] linux preempt kernel vs rt kernel
The point is that the newest kernel versions are not available in rt flavour (the latest is 2.6.31-11 and my experiences were not good with it). This is first time i heard about the lowlatency flavour, but it's not in my Ubuntu repos. So i'm afraid, if i want a new rt kernel (for 64-bit...), i'll have to use a ppa or build my own. Andras 2010/6/30 Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt What? Of course not. Its a pacth - no compiling needed. But be sure to keep a generic kernel at the boot (just use grub to preserve a boot without rt, I never had problems and use the same rt kernel for 1 year, but safety first =P) Real time (-rt) and Low latency (-lowlatency) kernels You may want to install the -lowlatency kernel, you can simply do: sudo apt-get install linux-lowlatency linux-headers-lowlatency If you still experience Xruns or you have a firewire sound card supported by the FFADO project, you may want to install the -rt kernel: sudo apt-get install linux-rt linux-headers-rt 2010/6/30 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Buh, it seems then i'll need to get a kernel from a PPA or compile it myself. A bit afraid of it, honestly. Thanks for the explanation! Andras On Sat, Jun 26, 2010 at 12:50 PM, Ricardo Lameiro ricardolame...@gmail.com wrote: well, AFAIK, the RT Kernel is a generic kernel that is modified by a special patch, that is made by Ingo Molnár. This patch gives the kernel the ability to have a behavior that allows the assignment of time frames and allocations to compute rt flagged tasks. Maybe this could be translated to the scheduler.In the other hand, the preemptive kernel, its a normal Generic kernel, that its compiled with different options. At compile time, the configuration of the scheduler and company are configured more aggressively to give a better response to the rt flagged apps. As my opinion, that is worth nothing, the preemptive kernels are comming into a very good level, since the main tree ot the generic kernel, has absorbing parts of Ingo's patches. But, still, the RT kernel is way more accurate on the scheduling etc. problem is that, RT kernels are in nature more Power hungry, and by the nature of its working, they could hang easily a computer, keeping only processing an high prio task. If I said something wrong, please correct me, I have looked at this stuff since a year to try to understand it better, so if someone can explain it better, please do. Ricardo Lameiro 2010/6/26 Andre Osku Schmidt andre.osku.schm...@osku.de On Fri, 2010-06-25 at 22:17 +0200, András Murányi wrote: Hello people, does anyone know what is the real difference between an 'rt' and a 'preempt' kernel in linux? dunno, but here's a pretty interesting talk about real-time kernel http://lac.linuxaudio.org/2010/recordings/day2_1045_How_the_Real_Time_Kernel_Helps_Audio_and_Video_Applications.ogv ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question
2010/6/30 IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at On 2010-06-30 12:50, András Murányi wrote: On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:46 AM, David Schaffer schafferda...@hotmail.comwrote: I'm neither nuts, nor a consumer. I just happen to be impressed by a patch I came across a while ago, it was a TR 909 emulation and looked very professionnal. It's basically what I'm trying to do: building pd patches (like improved media players, virtual FX racks, video dispatchers...) that can be used by non-pd people, people who are used to interact with standard user interfaces, see? The 909 emulation was nice, but i couldn't make it work on Linux. (not only Pd but Processing was needed too). what's the problem with proce55ing on linux? fgma IOhannes so, i tried again, and this is where it gets stuck: http://code.google.com/p/processing/issues/detail?id=142 attached the (non functional) shell-script Andras START-TR909.sh Description: Bourne shell script ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] send midi to another program in windows? (not with [midifile])
Hmm, let's not forget Jack-MIDI... there are few applications supporting it, Ardour and Denemo (notation editor! http://www.denemo.org) are two of them Andras On Thu, Jul 1, 2010 at 12:26 AM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt wrote: AHHH..must be true! I'm too used to Linux =P On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:38 PM, patko colet.patr...@free.fr wrote: Jack works good here on vista, but there is no MIDI, or I didn't find it. Isn't jack midi interface for ALSA only? - Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt a écrit : There's jack for windows[1]... I'd like to see that working (maybe Ill give a go here) [1] http://www.grame.fr/~letz/jack-1.9.5.tgzhttp://www.grame.fr/%7Eletz/jack-1.9.5.tgz On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 3:02 PM, Martin Peach martin.pe...@sympatico.ca wrote: ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] [OT] linux preempt kernel vs rt kernel
2010/7/1 Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt No... my grub is from the normal karmic. Did you had another ubuntu installed previous? The thing is, when you install any ubuntu from karmic up, it asks if you wish to upgrade to the new grub.. you can always say no. Yes, i've been upgrading this since Hardy. I don't remember being asked, it just stayed legacy. Although your grub-common 1.98-1ubuntu6 is already grub2 :) see [1] The major diff is that in grub 2 there's a whole new way of editing the entries, although you can sill do it the old way by editing the grub.cfg file, they do not recommend - but its doable. Yes i already witnessed grub2 in its full weirdness on another computer... but i didn't now about this hack :) Andras [1] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/1.98-1ubuntu6 2010/6/30 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com It says grub 0.97-29ubuntu60 (Legacy version) grub-common 1.98-1ubuntu6 Afaik Ubuntu Studio is a whole lotta different dependency tree. Andras 2010/7/1 Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt Nop, from karmic (9.10) up its grub2, the thing its a bit odd but 1.97~beta4 is actually grub2[1]. Or a more trusted source [2] - see that it reads grub2 bellow: grub2 (1.97~beta4-1ubuntu4)) [1] http://movingtowardslinux.wordpress.com/2010/01/26/installing-windows-and-linuxes-together-dual-boot/ [2] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/1.97~beta4-1ubuntu4https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/1.97%7Ebeta4-1ubuntu4 2010/6/30 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com Thanks all! I'm with (stupid:) Ubuntu, vanilla... so my kernel is not rt by default, i suppose. Will take a look at this patching thing... (before i thought it's the source you have to patch...) As for grub, it seems grub2 comes with a fresh Lucid install but my old grub just survived the upgrade (bet i'm glad) Andras On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 9:53 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.ptwrote: Easier than messing with grub2 new commands... On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 8:40 PM, Kim Cascone k...@anechoicmedia.comwrote: also, if you want a quick and easy way to switch kernels for testing: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/StartUpManager ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Pedro Lopes contacto: j...@radiozero.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Fwd: l'franglais, et éventuellement d e retour à PureData...
2010/6/27 Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca On Sat, 26 Jun 2010, Pierre Massat wrote: I apologize in advance for all those who don't speak french... I don't. But I invite them to use language management tools such as an automatic translator or the Delete key. Naná! Csakhogy arról van szó, hogy az ember kíváncsi lenne, miket írkáltok, amin nem segít a fordítógép sem, mert az élő nyelvet nehéz ám jól fordítani, plána ha ban venne egykkét hibais. Emberi dolog tekintettel lenni a környezetünkre, és én sose értettem igazán azokat, akik mintha szándékosan nem lennének... Erre varjál gombot. alpi ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] compiling pdextended rc3 jaunty
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.comwrote: Hi all, I'm trying to build a jaunty package of pdextended rc3. I get the source from http://puredata.info/docs/developer/GettingPdSourcespecifically the Pd-extended between releases (is this correct?) when i make install make package I get this error: /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lmp3lame collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[2]: *** [/home/sad/pd-extended/externals/unauthorized/mp3amp~/mp3amp~.pd_linux] Error 1 rm /home/sad/pd-extended/externals/unauthorized/mp3amp~/mp3amp~.o make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/sad/pd-extended/externals' make[1]: *** [externals_install] Error 2 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/sad/pd-extended/packages' make: *** [install] Error 2 is this about missing dependency libmp3lame? I do have installed libmp3lame0 though. am I doing something wrong? thanks Well, make sure you have libmp3lame-dev installed. For every required library, you need the source of the library for building. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Res: Insert an image with gop in an abstraction in a library
On Fri, Jun 25, 2010 at 7:12 PM, Eduardo Patricio epatri...@yahoo.comwrote: Olivier, I know what you mean... I don't know if there's another solution for this. I usually copy the image to every folder that uses those abstractions (with |image|). It's not very smart, but... Eduardo Try something like this: [loadbang] [symbol myfile.name( [moonlib/absolutepath] [open $1( [ggee/image] Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [OT] linux preempt kernel vs rt kernel
Hello people, does anyone know what is the real difference between an 'rt' and a 'preempt' kernel in linux? I noticed that the newest rt is not always available any more for my arch, whilst this preempt thing has appeared in the repo... Is pdextended -rt supposed to like my preempt kernel? Thanks, Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-extended 0.42.5 release candidate 3 released!
On Thu, Jun 17, 2010 at 10:27 AM, Lorenzo lsut...@libero.it wrote: Hi, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: If you use the repositories on the build servers, you'll get the most recent available version for your platform: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/debian .hc As far as I can see (although a deb http://apt.puredata.info/releaseslucid main is listed) there's no Ubuntu lucid build right? Lorenzo. Yea somehow it's missing from there, but you can grab it here: http://autobuild.puredata.info/auto-build/latest/ Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Join the Compile Farm (was Re: [PD-dev] 64-bit build for Windows?)
On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:31 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@eds.orgwrote: Any intrepid Windows people out there want to try a 64-bit build of Pd-extended? 64-bit builds are working well on GNU/Linux, and now are starting to be possible on Mac OS X. So why not Windows? I don't have access to a 64-bit Windows machine, but I can help someone who does. .hc So, actually anyone feeling intrepid can take a look at the renewed wiki page and see which platforms are missing from the Compile Farm, and eventually join it... It's a good way to support the (infamous) Pd community, not just because there will be more builds for the masses, but also because it catalyzes ironing out bugs on the given platform. Nuff said! http://puredata.info/docs/developer/PdLab Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] list etiquette WAS: plugin~ external
On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 9:22 PM, Kim Cascone k...@anechoicmedia.com wrote: Dan Wilcox wrote: and I want to make sure the text is a) true and b) easily understood by a n00b This is where I think things should always go ... to the wiki or the Floss manual! If a solution is found, pleasepleaseplease post it to a standard place and then *everyone* can benefit and we don't get the same questions every 6 months. that's exactly what I'm trying to do here :) and given that most, if not all, Linux audio apps can host a LADSPA/DSSI/LV2 plugin circa 2010 I see no reason why Pd shouldn't also be able to host one without 1337 secret handshakes, compiling src, chasing down deps, and other distractions to someone wanting to simply and easily host a plugin to do some audio processing mind you these 'l337 handshake' solutions are sometimes necessary when solving a Linux audio problem but should not be a 0th order approach to trying to use Pd in a production environment also, keep in mind I'm coming at Pd from 10 years of Max/MSP usage where the community is much less anarchic and doesn't share the political framework of being a FOSS app - which makes things less flexible at times but also imposes a certain standard, from the top down, on how things should work [...] Guys, you are amazing, you are hijacking the thread AGAIN! The practical effect why it sucks for me is that i archive informative threads in gmail and this way i have to archive a messed up thread to have the tiny bit of information (on how [plugin~] works) somewhere among the 1337 mails. If i might comment a bit longer on the 'vibe' of this mailing list this one time (and this list is not exactly the same as 'the Pd community'), yes i was shocked a bit too at the first time... it seemed not so friendly, some people seemed not to pay enough attention to what others wrote, and some people seemed to carry on a partly educative, partly aggressive tone which i particularly don't like. After some time it just seems to me like most other 'communities', and my own family and my own friends are not exceptions; it is a group of individuals with all their different past and present lives and 'heavy childhoods' and as a functional group they are not the most effective, but you can learn a lot from them and even have good fun if you take it easy (but not too easy). One of the most interesting things going on lately has been the development of social groups and virtual groups, and the development of free softwares' user groups is definitely something very interesting, and, i would say, something that has very a brief past compared to how long and bold it's future i expect to be. Simply put, free software development has a *lot* of experimentation to do concerning organization, decision making, etc - it's a long way to go! (All this said, i fully understand those who are unsatisfied by the current ways, and i also fully understand those who are maintaining those current ways, also those who challenge them, i just don't really understand when people are inpatient, arrogant, or pointlessly negative. My 2 cents is: be nicer to each others guys and don't drinkpost...) Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] list etiquette
2010/6/15 Dan Wilcox danomat...@gmail.com On Jun 14, 2010, at 10:03 PM, András Murányi wrote: Guys, you are amazing, you are hijacking the thread AGAIN! The practical effect why it sucks for me is that i archive informative threads in gmail and this way i have to archive a messed up thread to have the tiny bit of information (on how [plugin~] works) somewhere among the 1337 mails. Actually, I renamed the subject line in my first reply, then removed the plugin~ reference later on ... is this hijacking? We already mentioned the fact that the subject line should have been changed earlier on. Dan Wilcox danomatika.com robotcowboy.com This is what i meant by hijacking again (the subject list etiquette WAS: plugin~ external) and given that most, if not all, Linux audio apps can host a LADSPA/DSSI/LV2 plugin circa 2010 I see no reason why Pd shouldn't also be able to host one without 1337 secret handshakes, compiling src, chasing down deps, and other distractions to someone wanting to simply and easily host a plugin to do some audio processing mind you these 'l337 handshake' solutions are sometimes necessary when solving a Linux audio problem but should not be a 0th order approach to trying to use Pd in a production environment but never mind, i'm really not into busting other people, i just found it funny that it was happening again... peace, love happiness! Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] starting automatically read only (Ubuntu 10.04)
Well, this is beyond my current knowledge... but basically /etc/init.d is where you make things happen at startup, and with the numbers leading filenames there (take a look...) you can have control when your script will be executed. I'd suggest take a look into those scripts and try to insert your script, and google runlevels if you want to be sure when your script would be executed. I suppose basically everything in /etc/int.d goes off before anything (normally) happens to your home directory. Andras On Sat, Jun 12, 2010 at 5:48 PM, Ingo Scherzinger i...@miamiwave.comwrote: Hi Andreas, Sounds like a good idea to put the entire /home/user folder into a tmpfs but I have no idea how to get my data copied into this tmpfs prior to the system wanting to use it. Any idea? Ingo On Fri, Jun 11, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Ingo Scherzinger i...@miamiwave.comwrote: If the file's contents have to be preserved between sessions, it's breaking the read only system paradigm. (You may still be able to use an usb drive for this purpose?) It's actually working fine writing edited data to the rw sda3 partition where some folders have been linked to. If the file can be recreated with the same content at each startup, i'd think about how to trick it to be on a temporary writable filesystem. I suppose we cannot change the default path for this file, and i'm not sure if you can a have link in your read only filesystem (/home/ingo) pointing to a yet-to-be-created file on a temporary filesystem, but given the annoyance factor of the problem, it may make sense to trick your whole /home/ingo onto a temporary filesystem (from where of course you will be free to create links to directories that reside on the read-only filesystem). Andras I tried that already. I was mounting the entire /home/ingo folder to a tmpfs. That way I didn't have all files I needed available. All system settings seemd to be gone. After getting the data partition to auto mount -rw I made a link to the .ICEauthority file. Didn't help. Maybe mounting drives comes later in the upstart order. I should check that out. Ingo Well, when you mount your whole home to a tmpfs you have to copy all those needed files and system settings on it, and if you can, you have to save them back to permanent storage before shutdown. Automounting drives from fstab may happen sooner or later during startup, but the system is surely capable of mounting and temp-filesystems from the moment the kernel is alive, and you can make things happen at a given moment in the boot order by adding it to the right place in /etc/init.d/ Andras -- Muranyi Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
