Re: [PD] Problems with FLOSS Manual on Scribd
Probably should've searched before posting to you all.. the old FLOSS page is indeed up. Sorry, -Ben On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com wrote: I thought Scribd was gonna be cool, but now the pages don't load and it wants me to pay $5 to download the pdf, which I would have to do in order to read the manual since it's not loading properly. Lame. Is the old FLOSS site still available? -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Problems with FLOSS Manual on Scribd
I thought Scribd was gonna be cool, but now the pages don't load and it wants me to pay $5 to download the pdf, which I would have to do in order to read the manual since it's not loading properly. Lame. Is the old FLOSS site still available? -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Generative Pure Data based internet radio
It'd be nice to be able to see what/whose patch is currently playing. This should be possible with Icecast/Shoutcast. Thanks for putting this together. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com There's a page for contributors on the site and also one with a list of all the patches, how many plays for each, who made it and also a download for a tar file that contains the patches in a stand alone format here's a link to the latter http://radio.rumblesan.com/index.php/patches/ On 19 March 2011 20:18, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.ca wrote: On Thu, 10 Mar 2011, David Guy John wrote: The idea is that python starts up an instance of PD which will choose patches at random from a list. It loads a patch up, plays it for 10 minutes then crossfades over to another randomly chosen patch. There are currently 20 patches on there the vast majority of which are from other people now. Can listeners get to know the name of the author and the name of the patch ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard t?l: +1.514.383.3801 Villeray, Montr?al, QC ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Are there alternative means of creating patches
I haven't had the opportunity to try this out yet, but it might be what you're looking for. https://github.com/pd-projects/ruby-puredata Thanks IOHannes, I'm interested in PD primarily as an audio engine embedded in iOS apps. For legal and technical reasons, most of the other obvious choices aren't viable for me. And thanks for your ps. You're correct that I'm not looking for ways to embed scripting into PD, I'm looking for a more script-based approach to creating PD patch files. Honestly, I'm a little surprised that this isn't a more common desire. I guess generally people who want to create patches with code simply migrate to SuperCollider or CSound or whatever. But neither of those is an option for me. -Morgan On Thu, Feb 3, 2011 at 2:13 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-02-03 07:35, Morgan Packard wrote: Hello there. I'm interested in using PD. However, as someone who spends a lot of time with code, I'm actually a little afraid of the learning curve involved with the graphical programming language! well, i would say, that if you don't like graphical programming, then Pd is probably a not so good choice for you. I'd be much more comfortable creating my patches using, for example, a Python tool. Does such a programmatic PD patch generation tool exist? I can't imagine I'm the first person who's wanted such a thing. there are sure ways to programmatically create patches. from whatever environment you prefer. nevertheless you will need to understand how Pd works, in order to do such things, which will send you back to the start, where you need walk the steep hills of learning Pd. just my 2?. fgmasdr IOhannes PS: afaict, all the responses to your question mentioning pdlua, python, tcl/tk miss the point, as they talk about adding functionality to Pd with the help of text-based languages. (for unknown reasons C and derivatives was not mentioned). this allows you to do more things within the graphical patching environment, but it doesn't replace the graphical part. PPS: i might as well miss the point -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk1KccgACgkQkX2Xpv6ydvRMHgCfc+TCPauBdMpvyLhwaulkSXmG V7IAniZyh1H13aWEPPW9ajjUegr215B7 =0Dku -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Am I alone?
That's a pretty pompous writeup. Why don't you just post a link to your work instead of making broad generalizations about other un-specified material? Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] [PD-announce] Infinite Glitch
Hello List, Today is the official release of Infinite Glitch, an online based artwork that was created using, among other things, Pd-extended and PdGst. Thanks so much to everyone who has helped with the development of these great tools! You can read through the description below or jump straight to the project page: http://infiniteglitch.com -- Every day an incomprehensible number of new digital media files are uploaded to hosting sites across the internet. Far too many for any one person to consume. Infinite Glitch http://infiniteglitch.com/ is a stream-of-conciousness representation of this overwhelming flood of media, its fractured and degraded sounds and images reflecting how little we as an audience are able to retain from this daily barrage. http://infiniteglitch.com/ Infinite Glitch http://infiniteglitch.com/ is an automated system that generates an ever-changing audio/video stream from the constantly increasing mass of media files freely available on the web. Source audio and video files are ripped from a variety of popular media hosting sites, torn apart, and recombined using collage and glitch techniques to create an organic, chaotic flood of sensory input. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-announce mailing list pd-annou...@iem.at http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-announce ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd convention~ Application
I propose hosting a video stream of the convention (as much as possible anyway). I can provide an icecast server for the duration, or there's always ustream. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] setting caps in pdgst_dac~
How do you set the caps for [pdgst_dac~] ? Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] installing pdgst
Hi Jack, Thanks for the response. I will definitely use some of those references you provided once I get pdgst working, but right now I need more information on how to get it installed. -Ben On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Jack j...@rybn.org wrote: Le mercredi 22 décembre 2010 à 12:24 -0600, Ben Baker-Smith a écrit : Hello List, I'm trying to do some streaming with pd and icecast, and after running into trouble with pdp would like to try out pdgst. I have been working from this thread to try and get it installed: http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/msg38504.html Have you try the examples coming with pdgst ? pdgst seems to have built without errors, but what do I do with it now? If you use icecast, you should be interested by [pix_pix2gst] to convert gem pix_ domain into gstreamer domain (!) to stream to an icecast server. To stream to an Icecast server, the chain should finish by [shout2send] Have a look at gstreamer help, it is exactlly how pdgst works : http://www.gstreamer.net/documentation/ For example, instead of 'ffmpegcolorspace ! aasink' (the terminal version), you will use something like : [ffmpegcolorspace] | [aasink] Have you ever seen ? : http://umlaeute.mur.at/Members/zmoelnig/projects/pdgst/PdGst.pdf/at_download/file This document help to understand how pdgst works. ++ Jack The whole pdgst folder is residing in ~/pd-externals. Do I need to add to some things to the path and startup lists? I'm running pd-extended 0.42.5 on Ubuntu 10.04. Thanks, Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] installing pdgst
I'm sorry for being daft but there are no src folders in my pd or gem folders. I installed pd-extended with synaptic package manager. For the Makefile I used /usr/include and /usr/include/Base because the files in these locations matched some of the files in the mac os folders listed in the previous thread. Where are these src folders? Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:00 PM, Jack j...@rybn.org wrote: When you compile pdgst, you should get 'pdgst.pd_linux' in your 'src' folder. If not, open the makefile and put something like : EXT=pd_linux CC=gcc PD_SRC=/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src To get 'pix_gst2pix.pd_linux' and 'pix_pix2gst.pd_linux' in 'src/gem', you have to put in makefile something like : GEM_SRC=/home/jack/gem-0.92-3/src PD_SRC=/home/jack/pd-0.42-5/src After that, on my laptop, I put these pd_linux in the same folder where i use [pdgst], [pix_pix2gst] and [pix_gst2pix]. ++ Jack Le mercredi 22 décembre 2010 à 18:45 -0600, Ben Baker-Smith a écrit : I don't get anything like that and I cannot create [pdgst] or any of the pdgst objects. It could have to do with gstreamer, but before I get to that is there anything I need to do to install pdgst besides run the make file (as detailed in the previous link) and move the pdgst folder to ~/pd-externals ? -Ben On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 6:42 PM, Jack j...@rybn.org wrote: Le mercredi 22 décembre 2010 à 13:49 -0600, Ben Baker-Smith a écrit : Hi Jack, Thanks for the response. I will definitely use some of those references you provided once I get pdgst working, but right now I need more information on how to get it installed. Yep, you are right ;) Do you get something like that : pdgst $Revision: 0.0 $ (copyleft) IOhannes m zmoelnig @ IEM / KUG compiled on Sep 23 2010 at 15:38:04 compiled against Pd version 0.42.5. Can you create [pdgst] ? Have you installed different gstreamer plug-in ? ++ Jack -Ben On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 1:44 PM, Jack j...@rybn.org wrote: Le mercredi 22 décembre 2010 à 12:24 -0600, Ben Baker-Smith a écrit : Hello List, I'm trying to do some streaming with pd and icecast, and after running into trouble with pdp would like to try out pdgst. I have been working from this thread to try and get it installed: http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/msg38504.html Have you try the examples coming with pdgst ? pdgst seems to have built without errors, but what do I do with it now? If you use icecast, you should be interested by [pix_pix2gst] to convert gem pix_ domain into gstreamer domain (!) to stream to an icecast server. To stream to an Icecast server, the chain should finish by [shout2send] Have a look at gstreamer help, it is exactlly how pdgst works : http://www.gstreamer.net/documentation/ For example, instead of 'ffmpegcolorspace ! aasink' (the terminal version), you will use something like : [ffmpegcolorspace] | [aasink] Have you ever seen ? : http://umlaeute.mur.at/Members/zmoelnig/projects/pdgst/PdGst.pdf/at_download/file This document help to understand how pdgst works. ++ Jack The whole pdgst folder is residing in ~/pd-externals. Do I need to add to some things to the path and startup lists? I'm running pd-extended 0.42.5 on Ubuntu 10.04. Thanks, Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] installing pdgst
I know how to get the pdgst source, and have successful run the modified Makefile without errors. But where should I be setting PD_SRC and GEM_SRC in the Makefile? I don't see any src folders inside any of my pd or gem folders. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Jack j...@rybn.org wrote: No sorry... ++ Jack Le mercredi 22 décembre 2010 à 19:34 -0600, Ben Baker-Smith a écrit : are you on IRC by any chance? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] installing pdgst
Alright, I got pdgst running on Ubuntu 10.04 with pd-extended installed from synaptic using the following command: make PD_SRC=/usr/include GEM_SRC=/usr/include/Base EXT=pd_darwin EXT=pd_darwin SYSTEMCFLAGS=-fPIC Then I had to add a bunch of the pdgst folders to my paths. This thread got me streaming: http://www.mail-archive.com/pd-list@iem.at/msg38543.html Thanks again! -Ben On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:36 PM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.comwrote: Oo, alright, I think I got it working now. Thanks for the assistance, it's time for me to check out those reference links :) -Ben On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 8:16 PM, Jack j...@rybn.org wrote: Le mercredi 22 décembre 2010 à 20:13 -0600, Ben Baker-Smith a écrit : I installed pd-extended from the package manager because I couldn't get the source tarball to configure properly and they're the same version anyway. As a result, there is no folder called src in any pd related folders (besides pdgst). Is it required that I build pd-extended from source in order to install pdgst? This seems unlikely, but I could be wrong. Try to dl the pd source (on puredata.info) corresponding to your version of pd-ext. ++ Jack -Ben On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:58 PM, Jack j...@rybn.org wrote: Le mercredi 22 décembre 2010 à 19:53 -0600, Ben Baker-Smith a écrit : I understand that. My question is: What do I set PD_SRC and GEM_SRC to? That depend of the version of pd and GEM you used to use. You have somewhere on your hard drive the source of pd and gem... ++ Jack On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Jack j...@rybn.org wrote: if you dl pdgst source, you have a 'src' folder inside the 'pdgst' folder, right ? open it then open Makefile. ++ Jack Le mercredi 22 décembre 2010 à 19:48 -0600, Ben Baker-Smith a écrit : I know how to get the pdgst source, and have successful run the modified Makefile without errors. But where should I be setting PD_SRC and GEM_SRC in the Makefile? I don't see any src folders inside any of my pd or gem folders. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com On Wed, Dec 22, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Jack j...@rybn.org wrote: No sorry... ++ Jack Le mercredi 22 décembre 2010 à 19:34 -0600, Ben Baker-Smith a écrit : are you on IRC by any chance? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] problems with pdp_theonice~
I'm attempting to use pdp_theonice~ to stream theora video to an icecast server. I'm having trouble getting this working - it seems to connect ok as long as there is audio and video being sent to pdp_theonice~ but I can't view the stream with vlc or an embedded html5 player (which I've been able to do when streaming video from other sources to this same icecast server). oggcast~ works just fine. Does anyone have a simple patch that they know works for streaming theora video to icecast with pdp_theonice~? I've checked out the giss examples, but these are way more complicated than I need, and hard to debug. Also, they crash when I try to connect (probably because no audio or video is making it to pdp_theonice~, as my tests have shown that pd crashes when you try to connect without audio and video). I am on Ubuntu 10.04 with Pd-extended 0.42.5. Thanks! Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com p.s. alternately.. if there's another way of streaming theora without pdp_theonice~ (using 3rd party software or otherwise) I'd be interested to know this as well. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 11:10 AM, Mathieu Bouchard ma...@artengine.cawrote: On Tue, 6 Jul 2010, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: I think the point was simply that Miller deserves credit for his essential contributions to pd. I don't think this is the place to discuss your problems with SLOC and COCOMO. A point worth making, is a point worth making with a good support. If the point is being supported by SLOC and COCOMO, then SLOC and COCOMO become as on-topic as anything else used to support an argument about something on-topic. Agreed, but why argue the point at all? Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] interface/pd-based standalone applications question
I think the point was simply that Miller deserves credit for his essential contributions to pd. I don't think this is the place to discuss your problems with SLOC and COCOMO. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com I have no idea. I just meant that if anyone deserves to be cooked meals because of Pd related things, then it's Miller. That is a lot of lines of source code (only 25,000 of them are portaudio/portmidi). First of all, if you consider portaudio and portmidi like the separate projects that they are and that Miller didn't write and that is not really part of Pd in any way, the total SLOC drops to 68000. Next, Miller is not completely alone in writing Pd. You probably know that already. It's not even a very small or neglectible amount. In SLOC count, Thomas Musil contributed 10% of the source code alone, as the original author of the IEMGUI library. Then you probably know what is copy-paste. IIRC, about 1300 lines of code of IEMGUI can be explained by a one-liner sed | diff | wc command. Then there is other copy-paste in places like d_math.c and x_arithmetic.c for which I made the demonstration that they can be shrunk to less than 20% of their size using macros *while* keeping all optimisations in. (not sure I posted on the lists about it, though). Then the basic COCOMO model does not take copy-paste into account, therefore it's na?ve at best, a fraud at worst. It's also highly dependent on many other things it shouldn't be dependent on, thus it's most certainly unlikely to be accurate at all. Braces change the SLOC. The 72-character maximum that comes from IBM punchcards) changes the SLOC. Statement size changes the SLOC (say something short as two statements, you have two lines, but say it as one, you have one line). Think about it, you even charge for the blank lines and all the lines that say // , no matter how many a given programmer decides to put. All the Basic COCOMO model ever does correctly is punish any people who try to save on the number of lines of code. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] software license for pd general patch?
There are enough people doing the same, that all those individual 1% and 2% add up to a very large proportion of what's being produced in the pd community. I agree with this sentiment. People seem most attracted to Pd for its flexibility. If everyone wanted a nifty vocoder they would've gone out and bought Reason, or downloaded some free plugins for Audacity. A vocoder patch may get more downloads, but this is probably because there's more overlap in interest than with some other niche items, not because this is the sort of patch that the majority of Pd users try to create. It is the niche items that drive the community, not standard audio tools. Also, you can never know what use someone else may find for your patch. I have taken elements from synth patches and used them as controllers for visual patches. I don't care about classical composing, and haven't heard of any of the composers you listed, but I am certainly interested in checking out your patch for its potential as a complex rythmic triggering mechanism. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] run ruby script from [shell]?
I like that. I never thought of using applescript with Pd, thanks for sharing. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.atwrote: I had good luck with [motex/system]. I made this little object to control iTunes from Pd using applescript. .hc On Jun 28, 2010, at 8:27 PM, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: I had the same problem, on Mac OS X with Pd-extended 0.41.4 I ran some tests and it seems that relative paths in [shell] just don't work like they do with the rest of pd. For example, if you have a pd patch in the same folder as ruby_script.rb, you can't run it simply by using a ruby ruby_script.rb message, you have to do ruby /full/path/to/ruby_script.rb (as opposed to, say, media files or abstractions in the same folder as your patch). Both [motex/system] and [ggee/shell] work on my macbook. (thanks for the list, Hans. I didn't know there were two [popen] objects) Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com There are four options to try, let us know which works best for you: flatspace/popen moonlib/popen motex/system ggee/shell .hc On Jun 28, 2010, at 6:55 PM, Jon wrote: hi i'm trying to execute a ruby script from the shell object by sending it the message ruby /path/to/script.rb arguments but i get nothing. the script works fine from the command line, with the exact same arguments. is there an alternative? i'm on osx, latest stable pd extended thank you ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list I have the audacity to believe that peoples everywhere can have three meals a day for their bodies, education and culture for their minds, and dignity, equality and freedom for their spirits. - Martin Luther King, Jr. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] comment
while I CAN copy and paste between comments I cannot paste from the console or a text file nor can I copy from a comment and paste it into a text file I am on Mac OS X 10.5 and I am able to simply copy and paste (command-c / command-v): -from console to comment -from console to text file -from comment to text file command-t does not work for me and produces the following error: error: .printout.text: no such object control-t deletes text from the console one character at a time. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Video Processing
Hi I am new to using PureData and I am looking for my help.? I am trying to take a video file, currently one from the harddrvie but eventually a streaming feed, and look at each pixel in each frame and consider the RGB values of the pixels.? I want to then look at those values and calculate a ratio of R-G and G-B and then determine what color I would like to? change that pixel based on the ratio.? I believe I have found a good way to get the data of the pixel, by taking a metro and a counter with the width and height of the video and divinding by the width and and height and stepping through the frame and send it to pix_data.? i unpack the RGB values and calculate the ratio i need.? I am having trouble changing the pixel value to the color i want.? I am looking for some insight on the best way to approach?this, or if there is a better way to do it from scrath, or if you think it would be more efficient to use another program and if you all know of any other programs.? Thank you for your help. ? ~Sean It seems to me that the most efficient way of doing this would be with a custom GLSL shader. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata.org?
puredata.org resolves to this for me: http://i50.tinypic.com/2rm5kec.jpg Iohannes, this sounds just like the discussion we had recently in regards to the link on the pd-ring. During that discussion you told me that puredata.org had been stolen by domain grabbers. Regardless, puredata.org does not send me to puredata.info Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com Hi, well, for me from Germany it isn't redirecting properly, but I checked from a different server now (footils.org), and there it is. So probably some strange thing happening with my provider's DNS. Sorry for interrupting. Ciao -- Frank On Tue, Jun 08, 2010 at 11:47:50AM -0400, Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: puredata.org is mapped to the same IP address as puredata.info. puredata.org still shows up as owned by A.A.J. van de Ven vande...@educa.com and run off of mydomain.com. IMHO, it should be transferred to IEM to be an official domain. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata.org?
I just tested on the following systems / browsers with the same results as I posted previously: Mac OS X 10.4 -Mozilla Firefox 3.6.3 -Opera 10.54 -Safari 3.2.1 Windows XP -Internet Explorer 8.0.6001 -Google Chrome 5.0.375.55 -Mozilla Firefox 3.0.5 I am in Chicago, IL, USA Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt wrote: puredata.org resolves to this for me: http://i50.tinypic.com/2rm5kec.jpg Here it works fine (Mozilla Firefox 3.6.3 and Chrome 5.0.375.70 beta both in WinXP) What's your browser+OS? Could that be a browser related issue? -- Pedro Lopes contacto: j...@radiozero.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] puredata.org?
Ah. Just tested on our Comcast line (prior tests were done on an ATT line) and it worked fine there. Not sure what this means, but seems the problem has something to do with the ATT network. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:32 PM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com wrote: I just tested on the following systems / browsers with the same results as I posted previously: Mac OS X 10.4 -Mozilla Firefox 3.6.3 -Opera 10.54 -Safari 3.2.1 Windows XP -Internet Explorer 8.0.6001 -Google Chrome 5.0.375.55 -Mozilla Firefox 3.0.5 I am in Chicago, IL, USA Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com On Tue, Jun 8, 2010 at 12:26 PM, Pedro Lopes pedro.lo...@ist.utl.pt wrote: puredata.org resolves to this for me: http://i50.tinypic.com/2rm5kec.jpg Here it works fine (Mozilla Firefox 3.6.3 and Chrome 5.0.375.70 beta both in WinXP) What's your browser+OS? Could that be a browser related issue? -- Pedro Lopes contacto: j...@radiozero.pt website: http://web.ist.utl.pt/Pedro.Lopes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Shirts
Great work getting these printed! I'm very excited to get mine. I think since you are doing the work of making and selling the shirts, I think you should decide where the money goes. I agree. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] missing objects in Pd Extended
Well in the case of MrPeach and nsend I am actually missing the files. In the MrPeach directory I have got no tcpsocketserver.dll file (I have and can create other objects such as tcpserver, routeOSC, etc). The same thing happens for me with the objects you mentioned from MrPeach and nsend. Also, all the msd objects and all the hardware objects except [lanbox] are missing. And like you say, they are missing from their respective directories. I'm running Pd-extended 0.41.4 Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Streaming GEM Visuals
Hello, I'm looking for a software solution to converting GEM visuals to streaming video on the web. [gem2pdp] appears to be broken, so [pdp_theonice~] is out. I would like to do this on remote servers and virtual servers, so a hardware loop (video out, scan converter, video in) won't work. My ultimate goal is to create live, self-generative visuals that are streamed over the web using a server with Pd/GEM and some streaming software (preferably not flash, since the Flash Media Live Encoder (FMLE) wasn't really friendly with Linux or the command line last I checked). Thanks, Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Streaming GEM Visuals
Thanks for the responses everyone. I'm currently using Pd-extended 0.41.4 on Mac OS X, and have been unable to get [gem2pdp] working. The help patch doesn't work at all, though I was able to get a neat glitched image briefly (not doing anything different, just opening, closing, and resetting the GEM window). If I use this for a project it will be deployed on a Linux server, so Mac compatibility isn't a total necessity. I will try to get it working on Ubuntu tonight. What colorspace am I supposed to use? I wasn't able to find any specifics in the documentation. Thanks again. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:12 PM, Jose Luis Santorcuato santorcuat...@gmail.com wrote: For linux maybe you need run in terminal: LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libv4l/v4l1compat.so pd In order to charge pd with video libraries... José 2010/5/25 Jose Luis Santorcuato santorcuat...@gmail.com Yes de object [gem2pdp] works very fine...i dont have problemsand the streming... you need a server...thats all best regards José 2010/5/25 Jack j...@rybn.org I guess, there is also pdgst, but i never use it. IOhannes, is there a problem with the SVN repository ? I try with this adress : https://svn.umlaeute.mur.at/svnroot/zmoelnig/projects/pdgst/ but get svn: Could not open the requested SVN filesystem Any ideas ? ++ Jack Le mardi 25 mai 2010 à 11:42 -0500, John Harrison a écrit : i use [gem2pdp] and works for me. WinXP and Linux. Pd-extended 41.4 I think... Make sure you are in the right colorspace. I remember some issues with that and [gem2pdp]... On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:32 AM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm looking for a software solution to converting GEM visuals to streaming video on the web. [gem2pdp] appears to be broken, so [pdp_theonice~] is out. I would like to do this on remote servers and virtual servers, so a hardware loop (video out, scan converter, video in) won't work. My ultimate goal is to create live, self-generative visuals that are streamed over the web using a server with Pd/GEM and some streaming software (preferably not flash, since the Flash Media Live Encoder (FMLE) wasn't really friendly with Linux or the command line last I checked). Thanks, Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- John http://alumni.media.mit.edu/~harrison/http://alumni.media.mit.edu/%7Eharrison/ ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato -- http://arselectronicachile.blogspot.com http://www.myspace.com/santorcuato ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] streaming video objects?
I would love to find a way to stream from GEM directly, but I haven't found anything at all that allows you to stream with GEM or OpenGL directly. If anyone knows how this would be possible, even in theory, I'd love to hear it. It seems like there should be a way to handle this with OpenGL, but I wouldn't even know where to start. I've attempted to get the [pdp_theonice~] object working on Mac OSX (streaming to an Ubuntu server running Darwin Streaming Server) but so far have not had any luck. On a more positive note, I have been able to stream audio to Darwin Streaming Server with [mp3cast~], but video is what I really want. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com have been looking for an object that can stream video out, preferably starting from GEM and ideally running on windows or mac os. the only option i've found so far is pdp_ffmpeg~ - which throws an error that the object couldn't be created when i opened the help patch on a mac, though it doesn't say why... (missing server? dependencies?) to the best of my knowledge, the pidip and pdp, despite having been rolled into extended, don't work on windows. i'm sure i'm not the first to have this question :) would appreciate any pointers as to where to look next thanks rene ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] streaming video objects?
On Mon, May 17, 2010 at 9:22 PM, ydego...@gmail.com ydego...@gmail.comwrote: Ben Baker-Smith wrote: I would love to find a way to stream from GEM directly, but I haven't found anything at all that allows you to stream with GEM or OpenGL directly. If anyone knows how this would be possible, even in theory, I'd love to hear it. It seems like there should be a way to handle this with OpenGL, but I wouldn't even know where to start. I've attempted to get the [pdp_theonice~] object working on Mac OSX (streaming to an Ubuntu server running Darwin Streaming Server) but so far have not had any luck. this is made to stream to an Icecast 2 server ( supporting ogg/theora ) saludos, sevy Ah, that makes a lot of sense. Thanks. Ben Baker-Smith -- http://bitsynthesis.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] list operation
Ha. Probably should've looked at the others first, way better than mine. On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 7:48 PM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com wrote: This was a fun little problem. I haven't looked at the other responses, but I whipped this up. Unlike some of the others, this requires Pd-extended. -Ben Hello everyone, I would like to compare all the values in a list with a value of input and then decide which is the closest value and replace that value closer to the amount of input. For example, I have a list 2, 10, 35 and have an input value of 12 I would like the list as output 2, 12, 35. I'm almost getting, but the patch is so ugly that I will not show here, i'm sure there is a more elegant solution. Does anyone have an idea? tnx ;) ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD autoselects from a folder
Oops, looks like I left a couple [print] objects in the abstraction from when I was debugging it. You can delete [print STACK2] [print STACK3] [print STACK4] On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 12:42 PM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com wrote: Patrick, Here's an abstraction I made to handle file browsing with a GUI interface. I actually based it on one of the PDMTL abstractions, having not known until this thread that [playlist] existed. Anyway, it should do all the same things playlist does, except for being resizeable. You can select files by index or using the GUI. The right outlet gives you the number of loaded files, so you can use this to set the range of a [random] object and use it to select files by index. Attached is the patch and its help file. -Ben On Mon, Apr 26, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Pagano, Patrick p...@digitalworlds.ufl.edu wrote: This is a VERY helpful patch, thanks. I wish we could have something like playlist~ for windows. pp -Original Message- From: pd-list-boun...@iem.at [mailto:pd-list-boun...@iem.at] On Behalf Of Ben Baker-Smith Sent: Sunday, April 25, 2010 2:35 AM To: Andrew Faraday; pd list Subject: Re: [PD] PD autoselects from a folder Hey All It's the perpetual newbie here again. I've been working on a generative gem patch (to run on a seperate machine when I work) and I want this to load and re-load images from a selected folder. So far the only thing remotely like it I've found is [openpanel] which requires a user to choose. I really want an object to load files from this directory randomly or sequentially without human interaction. I think I've seen something like this before, just no idea what it is. Also, I could use something like it for audio Thanks Andrew This patch will do what you want. It was originally created for audio loops, but will work for any directory or file extension. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Problem with [$n 1]
[$n 1] often isn't recognized when I first load an abstraction. However, if I create one in a patch it creates properly, first time. So I find myself having to open my abstractions and re-create all my [$n 1] objects each time I load them. This doesn't seem to happen with [dollarg], so I have started changing my [$n 1] to [dollarg]. I am still curious as to why this is happening though. Is it a known bug? I am running Pd-extended 0.41.4 on a MacBook with OS X 10.5.8. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD autoselects from a folder
Hey All It's the perpetual newbie here again. I've been working on a generative gem patch (to run on a seperate machine when I work) and I want this to load and re-load images from a selected folder. So far the only thing remotely like it I've found is [openpanel] which requires a user to choose. I really want an object to load files from this directory randomly or sequentially without human interaction. I think I've seen something like this before, just no idea what it is. Also, I could use something like it for audio Thanks Andrew This patch will do what you want. It was originally created for audio loops, but will work for any directory or file extension. -Ben rand_file.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] VJ tools using pure data on Mac
that's nice, gemq. i'll try it. is it available for Mac? Or should i compile it from source? the website seems to be under construction :) If you browse to the checkout link, there seems to be a mac version. I used wget to grab all the files, I opened it and it loaded but threw a bunch of errors in the Pd terminal. I haven't actually tried it out yet, calling it a night now. I'm running a recent version of Pd-Extended on Mac OSX 10.5.8. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] nusmuk_audio WAS: Max Smoother Audio than Pd?
From: colet.patr...@free.fr sorry, I might going to be rude, but I've never heard some music completely made with PureData that really sound good. From: hard@gmail.com just uploaded 2 vanilla workouts. these are not tracks. just me jamming in the staffroom of the school where i work. not sure if they will change anyone's mind on anything, but i think they show a bit of dynamic range and the possibilities offered by vanilla pd and perseverance. http://soundcloud.com/vanilla-pd there are a lot of samples here, but all were originally created from scratch in vanilla pd. Seems to me that hardoff is killing it once again (thanks for posting). I guess me and Colet just don't share the same taste in music. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Displaying as two digits
[makefilename %02d] or [makefilename %.2d] pads your number with zeros so it has two digits. Frank's method is the way to go. Nice to know that [makefilename] will do the float-symbol transformation automatically. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] OS X GUI properties menu takes a long time to appear
Yeah, I see it too. I haven't been able to pin it down, it is driving me nuts. Its only the first time you open a properties panel. .hc Same here. Only happens the first time. It took much longer on my old PPC, but that machine was just slower in general. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd Shirts
If there's a black version, I would like one :) I'll take one regardless! I'm glad someone's reviving this effort. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Max Smoother Audio than Pd?
Here's a minimal track also made with Pd, for the sake of diversity: http://www.netpd.org/sessions/2007-11-08_antiwecker.mp3 I really liked that track. Thanks for posting. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Local Variables in GUI Properties (receive-symbol)
Ben Baker-Smith wrote: Hello, Is there a way to use local variables ($0) in GUI send-symbol / receive-symbol properties? If I just put in $0 it interprets it as 0, this is new to me; i have been using $0 in gui-objects for ages. Not sure what the issue is then. I'm using Pd-Extended 0.41.4 on Mac OS 10.4.11 (PPC), at the moment. I've tested this with toggle, bang, and canvas objects. If I put $0 in the send or receive properties everything looks fine until i close and re-open properties, then test-send-$0 becomes test-send-0 and testreceive$0 becomes testreceive0. At no point (before or after closing / re-opening properties) will the objects send or receive $0 properly. and I can't set it after creation because there will be multiple you can: just connect(! with patch cords) the re-naming message to the object, and you are done. but you really shouldn't need it, see above I can't do it this way in my current patch because I am using canvas objects, and they don't have inlets with which to connect patch cords. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Local Variables in GUI Properties (receive-symbol)
Fantastic, that did the trick. I'll keep my variables as prefixes from now on. Though ideally the gui objects should handle variables in the same way as standard send and receive objects (and arrays), which can take variables at the beginning, end, or in the middle. Thanks everyone! On Fri, Mar 26, 2010 at 12:01 PM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl wrote: $0, $1 and all other variables should be at the beginning of the name of your variable, not the end. This is the same whether it's a send, an array or anything else. D. On 3/26/10 5:22 PM, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: I've tested this with toggle, bang, and canvas objects. If I put $0 in the send or receive properties everything looks fine until i close and re-open properties, then test-send-$0 becomes test-send-0 and testreceive$0 becomes testreceive0. At no point (before or after closing / re-opening properties) will the objects send or receive $0 properly. -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 23: Breathe more deeply ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Local Variables in GUI Properties (receive-symbol)
Hello, Is there a way to use local variables ($0) in GUI send-symbol / receive-symbol properties? If I just put in $0 it interprets it as 0, and I can't set it after creation because there will be multiple copies of the abstraction present in a patch and I don't want them all to be set to the same local variable (kinda defeats the point). I can't use an external send/receive object because I'm using canvases, which don't have inlets or outlets. Thanks, -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Recording Audio in Table to File
Oh, sorry everyone. I don't deal with audio often, looks like I can just use [soundfiler]. -Ben On Thu, Mar 25, 2010 at 3:33 PM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I'm recording audio into tables, but I want to have the option of saving the audio in a given table to a .wav file. Can this be done without playing the audio out of the table into a readsf~ object in realtime? Thanks, -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] image grid in GEM
[folderpanel] is a pd-extended object. i believe it's a part of the Tof library. for some reason, i always have to add the Tof library manually (in the startup paths menu) even though it comes packaged with pd-extended. basically, it acts like [openpanel] but allows you to select a folder instead of a file. if you can't get it working you can just use a message with the full path to the folder in place of [folderpanel]. -ben On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 2:42 AM, f...@mur.at wrote: Hi Ben, tried around.- Is [folderpanel] an object of Pd-extended ? Or did you mean [openpanel] ? fraenk Zitat von Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com: You could use [folderpanel] to [folder_list] to [msgfile] and then read filenames from [msgfile] as you need them. See the attached example. -Ben Hi Ben, great work your patch.- - But do you think, that I could keep the images dynamic and take always new images ? The images would be always in the same folder, incremented by one: image 20, image 21, ... thanks ! fraenk B. Bogart schrieb: Hi Frank, Use rectangle, not pix_draw (its slow) If you can put images in a pix_buffer it'll be really fast. Here is a 3x3 grid of images in gem (with lots of extra complexity) http://www.ekran.org/pd/patches/gem-image-grid.tgz ..b.. Fr?nk Zimmer wrote: Hi, I did an image grid in Processing.- Every 10sec a routine is looking images in a folder and displays them in an image grid of 8x8 images. The Processing sketch does not run very stable, so I would like to know , if already somebody did try this in Pd.- Is there a more clever way, than using [pix_draw] and [translate] for this? thanks.- best, fraenk ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] problem with glsl shaders and texunits
Thanks for the help Cyrille and IOhannes, that's gotten me up the next step. -Ben On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 9:39 AM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: after a very quick look, i noticied that it work if you connect the right output of the framebuffer to the right input of the 2nd texture, in order to set the coordinate. i thought that Iohannes had recently made some change in order to improve this, but this patch is not working better than before. maybe because the texture is use not the texunit 0??? Cyrille Ben Baker-Smith a écrit : Hello, I'm in over my head with glsl shaders right now. The attached patch is a test I'm using to try and figure out how to properly use [texunit( messages, but it only partially works. Instead of a clear image of me in front of my webcam, I get a changing series of solid colors. It responds to some rapid movements, so I know my video is making it to the shader. The shaders do nothing to alter the image, they are just there for testing purposes. I've tested by running the video straight through the shaders and it displays clear and normal, as expected. I've read some things about the image size needing to be a power of 2, not sure if that's related. Thanks, this stuff is nuts! -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] image grid in GEM
You could use [folderpanel] to [folder_list] to [msgfile] and then read filenames from [msgfile] as you need them. See the attached example. -Ben Hi Ben, great work your patch.- - But do you think, that I could keep the images dynamic and take always new images ? The images would be always in the same folder, incremented by one: image 20, image 21, ... thanks ! fraenk B. Bogart schrieb: Hi Frank, Use rectangle, not pix_draw (its slow) If you can put images in a pix_buffer it'll be really fast. Here is a 3x3 grid of images in gem (with lots of extra complexity) http://www.ekran.org/pd/patches/gem-image-grid.tgz ..b.. Fr?nk Zimmer wrote: Hi, I did an image grid in Processing.- Every 10sec a routine is looking images in a folder and displays them in an image grid of 8x8 images. The Processing sketch does not run very stable, so I would like to know , if already somebody did try this in Pd.- Is there a more clever way, than using [pix_draw] and [translate] for this? thanks.- best, fraenk load_a_folder.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Help Patch and FLOSS Manual Updates
Where should corrections to the help patches and FLOSS manual be sent? I would like to contribute to some of the documentation, especially where I have found errors, but cannot figure out who to contact. I've tried just posting updates to the list but the last couple times received no response. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Help Patch and FLOSS Manual Updates
Hello Derek, That's great, straight to the source. I'm most interested in contributing to the Gem documentation, though it seems that many of the empty index items have been cleaned up in the last few days. [gemframebuffer] and [separator] would both be good to cover, but I don't know that I can do them justice. [camera] would be good too even though it's pretty straightforward. I just created an account, so next time I come across something that's dying to be documented I'll see about getting it done. In regards to the minor correction I sent to the list last week, it has in fact been taken care of, I just hadn't cleared my browser's cache! Thanks to Servando Barreiro for that. -Ben On Mon, Mar 1, 2010 at 11:58 AM, Derek Holzer de...@umatic.nl wrote: Hi Ben, if you'd like to contribute to the FLOSS Manual, just make a login and start! Is there anything in particular you wanted to work on? Derek On 3/1/10 6:16 PM, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: Where should corrections to the help patches and FLOSS manual be sent? I would like to contribute to some of the documentation, especially where I have found errors, but cannot figure out who to contact. I've tried just posting updates to the list but the last couple times received no response. -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 150: Take away the elements in order of apparent non-importance ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Strange bug in my patch
it would also be nice to have a step-debug mode... A step-debug mode would be awesome. I'm daydreaming about it now. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PD FLOSS manual and help patch corrections
The last line on http://en.flossmanuals.net/PureData/GEMImagesMoviesAndVideo says to check out the [sig2pix~] object. The object is actually [pix_sig2pix~]. Separately, in the help patch for [pix_movie] it recommends using the same [colorspace RGBA( messages that work with [pix_film], but these messages return the error: pix_movieDarwin: no method for 'colorspace' I wasn't sure who to send these corrections to, but I figured whoever it was is probably on the list. Thanks! -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] gemframebuffer and video OR multiple shaders
Hello, I'm working on porting Andrew Benson's optical flow glsl shaders over to PD. I've got the primary shader working, but need to send the output to the second shader. I figured that the best way to deal with this would be to use [gemframebuffer] to send the results of my first chain (including [pix_video] and the first shader) to a second chain to be processed with the second shader. My first problem is that I cannot seem to get [gemframebuffer] to work with [pix_video] or with [pix_film] for that matter. Is this the appropriate tool? Alternately, if someone knows how to use multiple shaders in the same render chain then I wouldn't have to use [gemframebuffer] at all. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] gemframebuffer and video OR multiple shaders
Thanks so much! [translateXYZ 0 0 -4] is just what I needed. I realize now that last time I needed to use [gemframebuffer] I went through this same period of confusion. Can someone update the [gemframebuffer] help patch to explain this anomaly? -Ben On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 12:37 PM, cyrille henry c...@chnry.net wrote: hello, you have to use frambuffer in order to chain multiple shader. there are example for this in the glsl section of Gem help. the most common problem with gemframbuffer is that you need to add a translateXYZ 0 0 -4 after the gemhead in order to have the same vision point than without the frambuffer. Cyrille Ben Baker-Smith a écrit : Hello, I'm working on porting Andrew Benson's optical flow glsl shaders over to PD. I've got the primary shader working, but need to send the output to the second shader. I figured that the best way to deal with this would be to use [gemframebuffer] to send the results of my first chain (including [pix_video] and the first shader) to a second chain to be processed with the second shader. My first problem is that I cannot seem to get [gemframebuffer] to work with [pix_video] or with [pix_film] for that matter. Is this the appropriate tool? Alternately, if someone knows how to use multiple shaders in the same render chain then I wouldn't have to use [gemframebuffer] at all. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Working with lists
Hello all, I'm trying to figure out the best way to deal with lists in Pd but some things are still not clear. I have a table that changes its content on the fly, e.g. taking input from somewhere else and I'm using a select at a determined point to dump the table as a list of values using the [tabdump] object. Then I would like to interfere in some values in this list, either randomly or at a given position, but the fact is that since this list is a bit big (30+ values) it doesn't seem the best way to unpack it (my object would be gigantic, I think) and deal with the single values. Is there a way to change a specific value in a list without unpacking it in the first place? Many thanks! -- Pedro Oliveira www.partidoalto.net soundcloud.com/iburiedpaul Hello Pedro, Can you edit the values while they are still in the table? It's hard to say what would work best without seeing an example. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Install pd-extended on Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 i686
Problem solved! The final trick was to install gcc-snapshot using sudo apt-get gcc-snapshot rather than through getlibs. Thanks for all your help Andras. -Ben 2010/2/17 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Sorry, there was a typo in my initial message, it should say there is no i686 package available. When I tried to install the Jaunty package I got a wrong kernel type error. All the packages seem to be for i386 and lpia, while my machine is running i686. The only mention of an i686 version that I have found is for Karmic in the 02-10-10 nightly build (and it seems rather small at 5.1M). When I tried adding adding to sources.list and installing via apt-get I received the following error: Failed to fetch http://apt.puredata.info/releases/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found Anyway, I ended up installing pd vanilla, gem, and zexy seperately and adding the appropriate paths in the file startup menu. Everything is working just fine now. -Ben Hello Ben, I am on amd64 too, and my best recommendation is that you use the i386 version. At the moment it is just faster and more stable than 64-bit builds. To set up an i386 package on your 64-bit Jaunty and satisfy all the 32-bit dependecies you'll most likely want to use getlibs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474790 Thanks Andras, that sounds like just what I need. I'll give it a shot this weekend after I fix a botched dist-upgrade. -Ben I just noticed there are more specifics at http://puredata.info/docs/developer/64BitLinux/ under Method 2 (...you didn't mistakenly upgrade to Karmic did u? ;o) My girlfriend did that on her laptop and err... not so good! Been told however that it is less bad with the RT kernel - a thing missing from Jaunty.) Andras In fact.. that's exactly what happened (dist-upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic). The sad thing is that this is the second machine I've tried the upgrade on, and the second to fail. I was prepared this time, backed everything up prior to the attempt, so it's more of an annoyance than anything. -Ben Ok, so I am now attempting to install pd-extended on a fresh 64-bit 9.10 Karmic Ubuntu desktop. The Method 2 instructions on http://puredata.info/docs/developer/64BitLinux/ seem to work fine until I have to install libgomp.so.l It seems to install using sudo getlibs -l libgomp.so.l just like all the ones before it, but then when I open pd-extended I still receive the following error: /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_linux: libgomp.so.l: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Gem: can't load library Gem appears to be the only library that won't load, unfortunately it is the one I care the most about. -Ben Hmm. My best bet is that the whole (i386) package needs to be installed, which is called libgomp1. The is an util called apt-file which helps you find which package contains a specific file - not sure this solves the problem, though. Also, getlibs seems to always do the install? Y/n? even when it doesn't install anything at the end. Andras ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Install pd-extended on Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 i686
2010/2/14 Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com: 2010/2/12 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: 2010/2/12 Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com 2010/2/11 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:21 AM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Sorry, there was a typo in my initial message, it should say there is no i686 package available. When I tried to install the Jaunty package I got a wrong kernel type error. All the packages seem to be for i386 and lpia, while my machine is running i686. The only mention of an i686 version that I have found is for Karmic in the 02-10-10 nightly build (and it seems rather small at 5.1M). When I tried adding adding to sources.list and installing via apt-get I received the following error: Failed to fetch http://apt.puredata.info/releases/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found Anyway, I ended up installing pd vanilla, gem, and zexy seperately and adding the appropriate paths in the file startup menu. Everything is working just fine now. -Ben Hello Ben, I am on amd64 too, and my best recommendation is that you use the i386 version. At the moment it is just faster and more stable than 64-bit builds. To set up an i386 package on your 64-bit Jaunty and satisfy all the 32-bit dependecies you'll most likely want to use getlibs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474790 Andras Thanks Andras, that sounds like just what I need. I'll give it a shot this weekend after I fix a botched dist-upgrade. -Ben I just noticed there are more specifics at http://puredata.info/docs/developer/64BitLinux/ under Method 2 (...you didn't mistakenly upgrade to Karmic did u? ;o) My girlfriend did that on her laptop and err... not so good! Been told however that it is less bad with the RT kernel - a thing missing from Jaunty.) Andras In fact.. that's exactly what happened (dist-upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic). The sad thing is that this is the second machine I've tried the upgrade on, and the second to fail. I was prepared this time, backed everything up prior to the attempt, so it's more of an annoyance than anything. -Ben Ok, so I am now attempting to install pd-extended on a fresh 64-bit 9.10 Karmic Ubuntu desktop. The Method 2 instructions on http://puredata.info/docs/developer/64BitLinux/ seem to work fine until I have to install libgomp.so.l It seems to install using sudo getlibs -l libgomp.so.l just like all the ones before it, but then when I open pd-extended I still receive the following error: /usr/lib/pd/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_linux: libgomp.so.l: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Gem: can't load library Gem appears to be the only library that won't load, unfortunately it is the one I care the most about. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Dynamic Object Creation
Hello List, I know this has been addressed a few times on the list in past years, but I couldn't find any concrete instructions.. so, here's my question. What is the best way to approach dynamic object creation? I'm hoping that there are some messages that can create instances of abstractions or objects. If these exist, are they documented somewhere? Thanks everyone! -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Dynamic Object Creation
Thanks to the both of you. I haven't checked out the forum patch yet (I will), but the help browser page (1.msg_and_patch) is exactly what I was looking for. -Ben On Sun, Feb 14, 2010 at 5:59 AM, Marco Donnarumma de...@thesaddj.com wrote: Sorry if you already took a look at those patches, but you might want to check the Pd browser manuals/ pd-msg/ 1.msg_and_patch/ M Hello List, I know this has been addressed a few times on the list in past years, but I couldn't find any concrete instructions.. so, here's my question. What is the best way to approach dynamic object creation? I'm hoping that there are some messages that can create instances of abstractions or objects. If these exist, are they documented somewhere? Thanks everyone! -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Install pd-extended on Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 i686
2010/2/12 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: 2010/2/12 Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com 2010/2/11 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:21 AM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Sorry, there was a typo in my initial message, it should say there is no i686 package available. When I tried to install the Jaunty package I got a wrong kernel type error. All the packages seem to be for i386 and lpia, while my machine is running i686. The only mention of an i686 version that I have found is for Karmic in the 02-10-10 nightly build (and it seems rather small at 5.1M). When I tried adding adding to sources.list and installing via apt-get I received the following error: Failed to fetch http://apt.puredata.info/releases/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found Anyway, I ended up installing pd vanilla, gem, and zexy seperately and adding the appropriate paths in the file startup menu. Everything is working just fine now. -Ben Hello Ben, I am on amd64 too, and my best recommendation is that you use the i386 version. At the moment it is just faster and more stable than 64-bit builds. To set up an i386 package on your 64-bit Jaunty and satisfy all the 32-bit dependecies you'll most likely want to use getlibs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474790 Andras Thanks Andras, that sounds like just what I need. I'll give it a shot this weekend after I fix a botched dist-upgrade. -Ben I just noticed there are more specifics at http://puredata.info/docs/developer/64BitLinux/ under Method 2 (...you didn't mistakenly upgrade to Karmic did u? ;o) My girlfriend did that on her laptop and err... not so good! Been told however that it is less bad with the RT kernel - a thing missing from Jaunty.) Andras In fact.. that's exactly what happened (dist-upgrade from Jaunty to Karmic). The sad thing is that this is the second machine I've tried the upgrade on, and the second to fail. I was prepared this time, backed everything up prior to the attempt, so it's more of an annoyance than anything. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Install pd-extended on Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 i686
2010/2/11 András Murányi muran...@gmail.com: On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 3:21 AM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Sorry, there was a typo in my initial message, it should say there is no i686 package available. When I tried to install the Jaunty package I got a wrong kernel type error. All the packages seem to be for i386 and lpia, while my machine is running i686. The only mention of an i686 version that I have found is for Karmic in the 02-10-10 nightly build (and it seems rather small at 5.1M). When I tried adding adding to sources.list and installing via apt-get I received the following error: Failed to fetch http://apt.puredata.info/releases/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found Anyway, I ended up installing pd vanilla, gem, and zexy seperately and adding the appropriate paths in the file startup menu. Everything is working just fine now. -Ben Hello Ben, I am on amd64 too, and my best recommendation is that you use the i386 version. At the moment it is just faster and more stable than 64-bit builds. To set up an i386 package on your 64-bit Jaunty and satisfy all the 32-bit dependecies you'll most likely want to use getlibs: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=474790 Andras Thanks Andras, that sounds like just what I need. I'll give it a shot this weekend after I fix a botched dist-upgrade. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Install pd-extended on Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 i686
Thanks for getting back to me so quickly. Sorry, there was a typo in my initial message, it should say there is no i686 package available. When I tried to install the Jaunty package I got a wrong kernel type error. All the packages seem to be for i386 and lpia, while my machine is running i686. The only mention of an i686 version that I have found is for Karmic in the 02-10-10 nightly build (and it seems rather small at 5.1M). When I tried adding adding to sources.list and installing via apt-get I received the following error: Failed to fetch http://apt.puredata.info/releases/dists/jaunty/main/binary-amd64/Packages 404 Not Found Anyway, I ended up installing pd vanilla, gem, and zexy seperately and adding the appropriate paths in the file startup menu. Everything is working just fine now. -Ben On Mon, Feb 8, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at wrote: There are jaunty packages, the easiest way to install them is like this: http://puredata.info/docs/faq/debian .hc On Feb 8, 2010, at 7:44 PM, Ben Baker-Smith wrote: Hello List, I just attempted to install pd-extended on my desktop running Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 i686, only to realize that there is no i386 package available. Is there a way around this? Do I have to install the libraries separately? Thanks! -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Making boring techno music is really easy with modern tools, but with live coding, boring techno is much harder. - Chris McCormick ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Install pd-extended on Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 i686
Hello List, I just attempted to install pd-extended on my desktop running Ubuntu Jaunty 9.04 i686, only to realize that there is no i386 package available. Is there a way around this? Do I have to install the libraries separately? Thanks! -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Fwd: PD t-shirts
I'm still interested in making some shirts. I've been real busy, but would like to make it happen sometime this summer. I guess I don't have much else to say, just re-affirming my interest. -Ben this might help, in true diy Pd style! http://www.instructables.com/id/Screen-Printing%3a-Cheap%2c-Dirty%2c-and-At-Home/ cheers On 21 Jul 2009, at 10:03, harris_pil...@gmx.de wrote: just sent it to hc. sorry. Anfang der weitergeleiteten E-Mail: hi there, is anybody still into the tshirt thing? i think i could help with the printing. i'm not good at thinking of designs though. bang- until was quite common-sense - afaik there hasnt been lot response on that!? i wanted to bring up the topic again - basically because i want a pd-tshirt too :) cheers ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] DorkbotPDX introduces free Pure Data workshop series
For the location you put PNCA room 205 what does this mean? I looked at the website and still couldn't even figure out what state you are in. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] formatting replies (was: Re: beat detection)
Could you please try to avoid pasting the entire Pd-List Digest in your reply? -- http://benbakersmith.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] T-Shirt Designs Online
Hello, Didn't get much of a chance to work on designs myself this weekend, but a few of you have sent me designs or suggestions over the past week so I thought I'd at least get those up for you all to check out. Let me know which designs you all like best. http://benbakersmith.com/pdshirts.html I'm leaning toward the pointer personally, but I think I can do two designs so keep that in mind. p.s. Sorry I didn't credit the designers, I don't feel like searching through my archived mail right now. I'll be sure to give props to whoever's designs get used once that's all sorted out. -- http://benbakersmith.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD t-shirts
Thanks Kyle, That's much more in line with what I'm looking to do. I also cannot afford to go to PdCon given that it's all the way in Brazil, and I'm sure the majority of Pd users are in the same boat. A documentation bounty seems like a good way to encourage people to document, and give them a way of justifying their time. And, I agree, probably more worthwhile than paying half of one person's ticket to Sao Paulo. In regards to designs, and printing: I'm thinking it might be cheapest (allowing more money to be raised) for me to print the shirts myself.. I just need to come up with a solid price estimate in the next couple days. Also, this seems more in line with the do-it-yourself attitude of Pd than, say, e-mailing a .Gif file to an internet service and letting it all go through them. I have couple designs I've drawn up myself, and a few have been submitted to me via this list. So, hopefully by the end of the weekend, I will upload them to my site and post a link on the list for feedback. -Ben On Thu, Apr 2, 2009 at 1:24 AM, Kyle Klipowicz kylek...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, I agree that the fund should be for a documentation bounty. I think that Ben (or whoever makes the shirts) should hold the money in trust. Perhaps set up an interest-bearing account to save the cash in. Then create a well-documented (pun?) bounty description of what key features are to be implemented and the financial payment for each. You could do micropayments for key help patches or examples, say $20 US each, or a big bounty for larger sections such as re-organizing existing patches into a tidy intro library for new uses, with ready-mades to go. I think this would be a longer lasting value than paying for Pd-con. I'd love to go myself, but probably cannot afford it...but I'd rather see some solid documentation be built...or have the financial incentive to do it! (Not a capitalist, just a hungry belly). ~Kyle On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:34 AM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com wrote: I'm open to the idea of donating proceeds to PdCon. But, having never been, I have some clarifying questions/concerns. I would really prefer that any money from sales went toward documentation, which in turn will increase useability and make PD more accessible to new users. Does the convention encourage/promote documentation? Is time spent at the convention trying to increase the existing body of literature? If so, then I'm all for it. I just don't want to settle on PdCon if it's only useful to attendees. (of course, I understand that in a good open-source community knowledge gained by any members contributes in some way to the knowledge of the group... but I'm talking more formal documention rather than more answers on the mailing list) Glad to hear the interest. I'm still looking into the best way to go about printing, selling, and distributing. If someone wants to partner up on this I'd be happy for the help and added input. -Ben On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Alexandre Castonguay acastong...@artengine.ca wrote: Hi Ben, all, We did the last batch of t's as a fundraiser for the Convention in Montréal. We managed to pay for another 1/2 plane ticket with the proceeds :-). Maybe the same could be done for São Paulo? The super folks from Graz sent the file they used for the original t's I should still have it if you want. À bientôt, Alexandre Hello List, I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available as far as I can tell. Anyway, if I did so, I would like to donate all of the proceeds toward further PD development, specifically documentation of poorly documented objects (or example patches, which is basically the same thing). How do you all think would be the best way of going about this? Should I stockpile the money and then offer it to someone as a sort of grant? That's less than ideal in my opinion. I really don't know how to go about this. Any/all input is welcome -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz -- http://benbakersmith.com ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD t-shirts
Aw man, I'd love to pick one of those up. You're in Germany though, huh? That's gonna make stopping by difficult. Oh well. That link was dead so I wasn't able to check out the web-shop. -Ben On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 2:43 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: Ben Baker-Smith wrote: Hello List, I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available as far as I can tell. actually i think some of them (that is: the 2nd generation for oldskool foks with [pd 0.40] on the back) are still available. at least o have 3 of them lying around here in my office (2 t-shirts; one is orange, the other dark-green; and a hooded shirt in orange; all of them are small). so if anybody want's to drop by they can get them (i don't do oversea transportation these days). more interesting is probably the web-shop at http://kug.mur.at (go to auslage/shop, select wear, select KiG! (who appear to be authors of the shirt for whatever reason) and buy). still no paypal or other neo liberal hyper capitalist fuzz. fmadf., IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD t-shirts
I'm open to the idea of donating proceeds to PdCon. But, having never been, I have some clarifying questions/concerns. I would really prefer that any money from sales went toward documentation, which in turn will increase useability and make PD more accessible to new users. Does the convention encourage/promote documentation? Is time spent at the convention trying to increase the existing body of literature? If so, then I'm all for it. I just don't want to settle on PdCon if it's only useful to attendees. (of course, I understand that in a good open-source community knowledge gained by any members contributes in some way to the knowledge of the group... but I'm talking more formal documention rather than more answers on the mailing list) Glad to hear the interest. I'm still looking into the best way to go about printing, selling, and distributing. If someone wants to partner up on this I'd be happy for the help and added input. -Ben On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 9:46 PM, Alexandre Castonguay acastong...@artengine.ca wrote: Hi Ben, all, We did the last batch of t's as a fundraiser for the Convention in Montréal. We managed to pay for another 1/2 plane ticket with the proceeds :-). Maybe the same could be done for São Paulo? The super folks from Graz sent the file they used for the original t's I should still have it if you want. À bientôt, Alexandre Hello List, I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available as far as I can tell. Anyway, if I did so, I would like to donate all of the proceeds toward further PD development, specifically documentation of poorly documented objects (or example patches, which is basically the same thing). How do you all think would be the best way of going about this? Should I stockpile the money and then offer it to someone as a sort of grant? That's less than ideal in my opinion. I really don't know how to go about this. Any/all input is welcome -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] PD t-shirts
My mistake. Thanks for the updated link. -Ben On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 9:29 AM, IOhannes m zmoelnig zmoel...@iem.at wrote: Ben Baker-Smith wrote: Aw man, I'd love to pick one of those up. You're in Germany though, huh? ähm, .at stands for austria (which is a small country near germany and not to be confused with australia) That's gonna make stopping by difficult. i guess austria doesn't make it any easier (nor more difficult) Oh well. That link was dead so I wasn't able to check out the web-shop. ah sorry, it should read http://kig.mur.at fmgadsr. IOhannes ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Chicago Patching Circle (Sunday, March 29th 5pm)
Once a month sounds reasonable to me. That feels like enough time for us each to make some progress between meetings. I'm open to whatever though. Definitely interested in a workshop on writing externals. It's an area that I know very little about and feel like an in-person discussion would be a good boost. And I don't mind a bit of traveling, just so long as I can get there by public transportation. -Ben On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:55 PM, Mike McGonagle mjm...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, thanks for coming out. I especially liked the Arduino/Sensor demo. I will have to talk with you, Kyle, about how to build one and where you got the parts. And Ben, it would be great to see some of the stuff you are working on, hopefully your moving out of the neighborhood won't deter that... Of course, we could do this again somewhere else. But the idea of hold a small workshop on writing externals would be a great idea. I would be more than happy to share what info I have. An idea for the next meeting. Which bring me to the next question. When is the next meeting? Would you like to try this once a month? More, Less? Thanks again, I would like to see this happen more often. Mike On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:12 AM, Kyle Klipowicz kylek...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah it was fun to share some meat-space with fellow geeks. We'll have to plan another one soon, and try to promote it a bit more. ~Kyle On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 10:18 AM, Ben Baker-Smith bbakersm...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks to Mike for organizing the Chicago meeting yesterday, and to Kyle for also showing up. It was good to connect with some other PD users here, and totally interesting to see what you've been working on / have worked on. Even (or especially) when it was over my head. I'd like to do it again some time, assuming that you both haven't gotten completely jaded and stopped using PD completely ;) I'll be sure to bring some of my own material. -Ben -- - - - -- http://perhapsidid.wordpress.com http://myspace.com/kyleklipowicz -- Rodney Dangerfield - I haven't spoken to my wife in years. I didn't want to interrupt her. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] recursive video feedback in GEM or PDP?
Thank you so much for that filter. I was really struggling with figuring out how to utilize [gemframebuffer] and this gives me a place to start. Could this be incorporated into the [gemframebuffer] help patch? That help patch is seriously lacking. Also, if someone could fill me/everyone in about what the [pix_texture] second inlet is for, that would be fantastic. Thanks again, -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] PD t-shirts
Hello List, I'm considering designing and selling PD related t-shirts. I haven't totally worked out the logistics. Basically I was inspired by the [Bang( shirts that I've seen online, but which are no longer available as far as I can tell. Anyway, if I did so, I would like to donate all of the proceeds toward further PD development, specifically documentation of poorly documented objects (or example patches, which is basically the same thing). How do you all think would be the best way of going about this? Should I stockpile the money and then offer it to someone as a sort of grant? That's less than ideal in my opinion. I really don't know how to go about this. Any/all input is welcome -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] GEM on the web?
Hello list, I've been hearing bits and pieces recently about using PD across networks and the internet. I believe some people were actually working on developing a website where multiple users could upload and manipulate the same PD patch in close-to realtime. What I'm wondering is this: Is it possible, or could it be possible, to display an active Gemwindow on a website? Ideally, visitors to the site would be able to interact with the patch, either through microphone input on their computer or keystrokes, etc. However, I'd even be happy with a way to run an ongoing, non-interactive patch. I know basically nothing about the networking side of PD, and I'm sure this is over my head right now, but I'd really appreciate any feedback. Thanks, -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Chicago Patching Circle (Sunday, March 29th 5pm)
Thanks to Mike for organizing the Chicago meeting yesterday, and to Kyle for also showing up. It was good to connect with some other PD users here, and totally interesting to see what you've been working on / have worked on. Even (or especially) when it was over my head. I'd like to do it again some time, assuming that you both haven't gotten completely jaded and stopped using PD completely ;) I'll be sure to bring some of my own material. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] What font does PD use?
I'm working on some graphics for PdCon09 to potentially use for promotional materials. Could someone tell me what font PD uses? Or at least a close approximation? If it's not a regular font, does someone have a copy of the font file? Thanks, -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] still struggling with basic understanding of Gem dataflow
Hi John, You are correct. Gem does not follow the normal top to bottom rules of PD. I believe its render chain has more to do with the rules of OpenGL than with PD. Sorry I can't give you an easy way of figuring which objects will be processed first. If there is one then I've never heard/read it. Keep experimenting. For more information on this, I recommend looking up the a flawed Gem thread in the PD-List archives (and whatever thread that came out of). It'll give you some more information about Gem's relation to OpenGL and some users frustration with similar situations as yours. I love using Gem, it's the environment I primarily work in when using PD. However, it's a bit of a wild beast (at least to a non-programmer like myself). Best of luck, -Ben [Gemhead] | [object 1] | [object 2] | [object 3] we cannot conclude that the output of [object 1] feeds the input of [object 2] and the output of [object 2] feeds the input of [object 3]. We only know that the data will be processed by objects 1, 2 and 3 but not in what order they will be processed. Further perhaps we cannot conclude that the output of an object is actually the result of the object having processed the data. Demonstrating this: in my patch example, [pix_buffer_write] outputs different data than it stores, or examples 1 and 3 would be the same. And this leads me to a more general statement of my original question: how can I determine the order in which objects are processed in Gem? And my specific example which started this thread: how would one apply a rotation to an image, then apply [pix_rtx] to the rotated image? -John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] a simple counter, I'm not able to do it tonight
Check out the attached patch, more what you're looking for? -Ben Message: 3 Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2009 14:59:26 +0100 From: Husk 00 hus...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [PD] a simple counter, I'm not able to do it tonight To: pd list pd-list@iem.at Message-ID: f15630960903210659x6d561b7bt1e0b68c479698...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thank you all, but I expressed bad my necessity. I found a solution but still don't like it. I find inelgant and too much complex for what it has to do. I need a counter with two bang, first one for add one unit to the counter, second one for subtract one unit. Couter must have min and max limits, like 0 and 10 (for example). I attach my patch just like example, but as I said it's not a good solution. How should you do this? cheers Husk simplecounter.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Chicago Patching Circle (Sunday, March 29th 5pm)
Oh man, awesome! I just looked up the Red Line tap and it's literally two blocks from my apartment, can't wait. I'd actually just heard about the place and was meaning to check it out, what a great opportunity. I'm looking forward to connecting with some other chicago PDers. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] a simple counter, I'm not able to do it tonight
So you want a counter that counts to 100 and then begins at 0 (or 1) again? If I'm understanding correctly I would do the following: [bang( | [float]X[+ 1] | [select 100] | [0( the 0 message at the end could also be a 1 depending on if you want the counter to begin on 0 or 1, it is sent to the right inlet of float. the outlet of float is, in addition to [select], also sent wherever you want the counter to be output to. here is the same patch as a subpatch (keeping in mind that the 0 message still must be connected to the right inlet of float): [inlet] | [b] | [float]X[+ 1] | \ | [outlet] | [select 100] | [0( ...of course you can always use the [counter] object. [counter 100] will probably do the trick all by itself. and finally, if i'm understanding incorrectly and you wanted it to count up and back down, use the example that was posted previously with the absolute values and [wrap], or use [counter 100] with the up/down message sent to it, you'll have to check the help file for exactly what that message is... hope something in there helps. -Ben pd-list@iem.at ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] GEM on Linux netbook
Thanks to everyone for their suggestions. I will hold off on the netbook idea for now. Actually, the AudioPint concept is really playing with my imagination. Hmmm... Gem in a box, literaly. With enough forethought, it could be awesome. -Ben ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] GEM on Linux netbook
I currently use a Macbook (OS 10.5) for all my PD patching. However, as I am primarily focused on using GEM for live video performance alongside musical groups, I am thinking about getting a second laptop for performances (to keep my Macbook safe). I'm thinking of getting an Acer Aspire One netbook running linux. I'd like to know the pros and cons of this. -Will swapping patches between Mac OS and Linux be a problem (I'm guessing no, but I figured I'd ask)? -I've heard of some problems with VGA out on Linux laptops, is this going to be an issue? -Does the netbook have enough processing power for general GEM applications? I'm usually not dealing with video files, but rather particle generation, shape manipulation, GIF texturing, and audio-response. On my Macbook (2.0 GHz intel processor) the CPU meter always shows below 50% usage (of course, that's not to say that it doesn't freeze up and boot me out sometimes). -Are there any other issues that you think of given this scenario? and if so, what other affordable/really-cheap laptops are there out there that I can run linux on? ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] color tracking in Gem/Pd-extended?
How will you avoid gating the color of the object you're trying to track as well? To use your method below I'd suggest using some combination of [separator] and [pix_background] to create a mask so that [pix_blob] (or the color gate, depending on the setup) only affects new objects introduced into the environment. That's very incomplete suggestion, but I don't have pd in front of me right now to toy with examples. Best of luck, let me know if you get a patch together, I'd like to see it. -Ben Wondering the best solution for color tracking in Pd-extended. I'd like my solution to be cross-platform so that rules out PDP and friends. All I've come up with is to use [pix_blob] to track the color, and to try to minimize the tracking color in the background. There's probably a Gem object where I can gate a color i.e. eliminate a color from a pixel if it is less than a certain amount. In my rendering chain after my webcam I'd gate the color I am trying to track, then use [pix_blob] with a color weight of entirely the tracking color. Is there a better way? -John ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] video bluescreen
I've triedpix_background and can't see how two images are fed in Again if anyone has a simple example that would be great but I'll keep chipping away at it in the meantime. You don't actually load a base image into pix_background, you send a [reset( message to the [pix_background] object and it takes a snapshot of whatever's in front of the connected camera (or incoming video stream). Then it compares all incoming frames with that snapshot and outputs anything that's different between the two. The right inlet sets the threshold and takes an RGB value, so you will have to adjust this to reduce inevitable noise and artifacting. I have attached a very basic version of this patch I've described. I don't have a cam attached to this computer and don't have the time to test it, but it should work. -Ben bg example.pd Description: Binary data ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] Gem install problem on iBook G4
I am having trouble installing pd-extended on my G4 iBook. I am running Mac OSX version 10.4.11. I have also tried running it on a macbook (intel) running 10.5 which I borrowed from a friend. I used the respective versions of the pd-extended download for each. I need to be able to run Gem which is why this is a problem. The basic version of PD seems to work fine, just not the extended libraries. I also tried downloading Gem separately and connecting it via the path menu, to no avail. This is weird for me as I've gotten pd-extended to work just fine on a G4 desktop and a macbook almost identical to the one I recently borrowed. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated. Here is the printout from the last time I started up PD: libdir loader $Revision: 1.8 $ written by Hans-Christoph Steiner h...@at.or.at compiled on Jul 29 2008 at 04:03:05 compiled against Pd version 0.40.3.extended /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin Reason: image not found Gem: can't load library libdir_loader: added 'cyclone' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'zexy' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'creb' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'cxc' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'iemlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'list-abs' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'mapping' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'markex' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'maxlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'memento' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'mjlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'motex' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'oscx' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pddp' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pdogg' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pixeltango' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'rradical' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'sigpack' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'smlib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'toxy' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'unauthorized' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'pan' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'freeverb' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'hcs' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'jmmmp' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'ext13' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'ggee' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'flib' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'ekext' to the global objectclass path libdir_loader: added 'flatspace' to the global objectclass path /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pdp.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pdp.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.6.dylib Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pdp.pd_darwin Reason: image not found pdp: can't load library /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pidip.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pidip.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.6.dylib Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/pidip.pd_darwin Reason: image not found pidip: can't load library /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/gem/gem.pd_darwin: dlopen(/Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/gem/gem.pd_darwin, 10): Library not loaded: /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.6.dylib Referenced from: /Applications/Pd-extended.app/Contents/Resources/extra/Gem/Gem.pd_darwin Reason: image not found gem: can't load library ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] a flawed Gem (Was: Re: pdp/pidip on win32?)
I have really enjoyed using Gem, especially the particle systems but also using it to manipulate live video feeds. However, I also would like to see it streamlined so that the gemlist actually travels from top to bottom. As it is now there are a lot of weird issues where objects can be left out of a Gemlist chain but still affect it, or where things just work in ways that are counter-intuitive to how PD generally works. Certain effects like [pix_motionblur] for example will affect the Gemlist output even if their branch of the Gemlist doesn't actually get sent to a texture. For example, in the case of [pix_motionblur] I had to rig my patch to set it to zero whenever I didn't want it on, rather than simply bypass it like I do with most of the effects patches I use. This wasn't a terribly hard fix, but some of these situations are very difficult to work around, and the inconsistency is inconvenient. I don't know any C code so I can't help figure out why this is or how to fix it, but I hope some of these problems can be smoothed out because Gem has great potential. I've used it for a few live VJ performances and really liked the results. (sorry I can't provide more specific examples, but I'm not at my home computer right now) -Ben Baker-Smith Chicago, IL ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] posterize effect for GEM video
I'm trying to create a posterize effect patch for video (using GEM). I found one in the PixelTango object [pt.layerfx] but I can't seem to figure out how to access the GEM subpatch that powers it. Can anybody tell me how to access the posterize subpatch in [pt.layerfx]? Alternately, can anybody give me advice on how to create a posterize patch from the ground up? Basically I'm trying to reduce the number of colors in the video image. I don't even know where to begin so anything will help. Thanks! ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
