Re: [PD] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 21st September, 18h00 INSTEAD OF 20h00
that sounds fine, but I really don't have the time for it. and being the flux of people very inconstant (from 1 to 15, being the 2 organisers almost only the fixed people), and almost all of them being beginners, to feel in the state of perpetually giving pd classes and not receiving much in return (very exaggerated description) doesn't motivate me very much. Suggestion: decide the agenda for the next meeting at the meetings themselves, and have people volunteer to present things. Maybe too North American or Northern European a style? ;-) Nobody says you should volunteer yourself, but also I think people come when they have an idea of the program and whether it is interesting for them or not. No theme at all could in fact equal no interest at all. And if no one volunteers, perhaps curate something... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 21st September, 18h00 INSTEAD OF 20h00
One thing you can do is have people work thru tutorials on their own, then just answer questions. I try to avoid going into workshop mode at patching circles by actually trying to work on things and I find that people start asking each other. .hc On Sep 17, 2010, at 5:56 AM, João Pais wrote: that sounds fine, but I really don't have the time for it. and being the flux of people very inconstant (from 1 to 15, being the 2 organisers almost only the fixed people), and almost all of them being beginners, to feel in the state of perpetually giving pd classes and not receiving much in return (very exaggerated description) doesn't motivate me very much. Suggestion: decide the agenda for the next meeting at the meetings themselves, and have people volunteer to present things. Maybe too North American or Northern European a style? ;-) Nobody says you should volunteer yourself, but also I think people come when they have an idea of the program and whether it is interesting for them or not. No theme at all could in fact equal no interest at all. And if no one volunteers, perhaps curate something... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list Free software means you control what your computer does. Non-free software means someone else controls that, and to some extent controls you. - Richard M. Stallman ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 21st September, 18h00 INSTEAD OF 20h00
that is true, the thing is there is no boss in this group (I don't want to say what the people are going to do). so, there is no agenda really. or anyone has something that he wants to show? I prefer the format where people discuss than the one that one lectures, and the others listen (which is suggested by having a fixed program). not to say that someone might think theme ? I know already enough about it, won't go this time. I also don't have the time to be preparing materials and making a pd class out of this (for that people can ask me or Servando for a workshop). that's why that for now I prefer the anarquic treatment, where everyone is equal. I have to agree with M here, posting an agenda or at least a fresh list of topics might encourage [more] people to come. D. On 9/14/10 7:47 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, João Pais wrote: What's the programme for this particular meeting ? no programme so far, most likely the usual show-and-tell of patches, answering questions... You only need to make a list of patches in advance for the show-and-tell, that's all. Just have everybody write one or two sentences per patch that will be shown. It's not very hard to do. It doesn't prevent you from improvising things that are not on the schedule... -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 21st September, 18h00 INSTEAD OF 20h00
You could encourage people to post on this list with ideas that they want to talk about. .hc On Sep 16, 2010, at 7:24 AM, João Pais wrote: that is true, the thing is there is no boss in this group (I don't want to say what the people are going to do). so, there is no agenda really. or anyone has something that he wants to show? I prefer the format where people discuss than the one that one lectures, and the others listen (which is suggested by having a fixed program). not to say that someone might think theme ? I know already enough about it, won't go this time. I also don't have the time to be preparing materials and making a pd class out of this (for that people can ask me or Servando for a workshop). that's why that for now I prefer the anarquic treatment, where everyone is equal. I have to agree with M here, posting an agenda or at least a fresh list of topics might encourage [more] people to come. D. On 9/14/10 7:47 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, João Pais wrote: What's the programme for this particular meeting ? no programme so far, most likely the usual show-and-tell of patches, answering questions... You only need to make a list of patches in advance for the show-and-tell, that's all. Just have everybody write one or two sentences per patch that will be shown. It's not very hard to do. It doesn't prevent you from improvising things that are not on the schedule... -- Friedenstr. 58 10249 Berlin (Deutschland) Tel +49 30 42020091 | Mob +49 162 6843570 Studio +49 30 69509190 jmmmp...@googlemail.com | skype: jmmmpjmmmp ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list It is convenient to imagine a power beyond us because that means we don't have to examine our own lives., from The Idols of Environmentalism, by Curtis White ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 21st September, 18h00 INSTEAD OF 20h00
You could encourage people to post on this list with ideas that they want to talk about. a way to organise that is in the wiki of the meetings, http://puredata.info/community/organization/pd-berlin/pd-berlin-users-group/. that's a better place for that, as there is no list dialog on this group - most of them are beginners, and to my knowledge aren't very active in the list. ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 21st September, 18h00 INSTEAD OF 20h00
On Thu, 16 Sep 2010, João Pais wrote: I prefer the format where people discuss than the one that one lectures, and the others listen (which is suggested by having a fixed program). The pdmtl#36 meeting yesterday was an example of a meeting with a fixed programme, that turned out to be quite interactive and quite improvised. I think that this is a barrier that can easily broken (just because the programme has been written down, doesn't mean it can't turn into something a bit different), and in the end, the real force turning the programme into a fixed programme, is the total number of people. Yesterday we were only seven, and it was a lot more flexible than when we were twenty-three, for example. ___ | Mathieu Bouchard -- Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 21st September, 18h00 INSTEAD OF 20h00
Suggestion: decide the agenda for the next meeting at the meetings themselves, and have people volunteer to present things. Maybe too North American or Northern European a style? ;-) Nobody says you should volunteer yourself, but also I think people come when they have an idea of the program and whether it is interesting for them or not. No theme at all could in fact equal no interest at all. And if no one volunteers, perhaps curate something... D. On 9/16/10 1:24 PM, João Pais wrote: that is true, the thing is there is no boss in this group (I don't want to say what the people are going to do). so, there is no agenda really. or anyone has something that he wants to show? I prefer the format where people discuss than the one that one lectures, and the others listen (which is suggested by having a fixed program). not to say that someone might think theme ? I know already enough about it, won't go this time. I also don't have the time to be preparing materials and making a pd class out of this (for that people can ask me or Servando for a workshop). that's why that for now I prefer the anarquic treatment, where everyone is equal. I have to agree with M here, posting an agenda or at least a fresh list of topics might encourage [more] people to come. D. On 9/14/10 7:47 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, João Pais wrote: What's the programme for this particular meeting ? no programme so far, most likely the usual show-and-tell of patches, answering questions... You only need to make a list of patches in advance for the show-and-tell, that's all. Just have everybody write one or two sentences per patch that will be shown. It's not very hard to do. It doesn't prevent you from improvising things that are not on the schedule... -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 44: Discard an axiom ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 21st September, 18h00 INSTEAD OF 20h00
I have to agree with M here, posting an agenda or at least a fresh list of topics might encourage [more] people to come. D. On 9/14/10 7:47 PM, Mathieu Bouchard wrote: On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, João Pais wrote: What's the programme for this particular meeting ? no programme so far, most likely the usual show-and-tell of patches, answering questions... You only need to make a list of patches in advance for the show-and-tell, that's all. Just have everybody write one or two sentences per patch that will be shown. It's not very hard to do. It doesn't prevent you from improvising things that are not on the schedule... -- ::: derek holzer ::: http://macumbista.net ::: ---Oblique Strategy # 81: Go to an extreme, move back to a more comfortable place ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 21st September, 18h00 INSTEAD OF 20h00
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, João Pais wrote: next tuesday, 21st September, will be the next meeting of Pure Data users in Berlin at NK (http://www.nkprojekt.de/) - Elsenstr. 52, 2HH 2Etage. This meeting will be at 18h00 INSTEAD OF 20h00. For more information, look up http://puredata.info/community/organization/pd-berlin/pd-berlin-users-group. We also encourage you to take an active part, and put up suggestions for topics you want to talk about / topics you want to be talked about. What's the programme for this particular meeting ? ___ | Mathieu Bouchard -- Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 21st September, 18h00 INSTEAD OF 20h00
What's the programme for this particular meeting ? no programme so far, most likely the usual show-and-tell of patches, answering questions... ___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] Pd-berlin meeting next tuesday, 21st September, 18h00 INSTEAD OF 20h00
On Tue, 14 Sep 2010, João Pais wrote: What's the programme for this particular meeting ? no programme so far, most likely the usual show-and-tell of patches, answering questions... You only need to make a list of patches in advance for the show-and-tell, that's all. Just have everybody write one or two sentences per patch that will be shown. It's not very hard to do. It doesn't prevent you from improvising things that are not on the schedule... ___ | Mathieu Bouchard -- Villeray, Montréal, QC___ Pd-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
