Re: [PD] edit or play mode information
Chuckk Hubbard wrote: On 1/30/07, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Also, you can track the state if you do this: [receive pd] | [route editmode] | [X] no, you cannot. at least: i cannot. see http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-01/046344.html (hey, that was only yesterday...) [receive pd-subpatch] | [route editmode] | [X] works, and was maybe what he meant. My thought was to have a separate send-receive for notifying other objects of changes, because this receiving messages intended for subpatches makes me uneasy. You also don't need the [route] if there's a separate channel just for editmode tracking. it seems like i am missing something fundamental here. your patch does not work for me. except if i would be turning editmode on/off via explicit messages to pd-subpatch (but then it is trivial); maybe this is what you mean. i thought about being notified if the subpatch goes to edit-mode, e.g. because the user has done Ctl-E. mg.sdft IOhannes -Chuckk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] edit or play mode information
[receive pd-subpatch] | [route editmode] | [X] works, and was maybe what he meant. My thought was to have a separate send-receive for notifying other objects of changes, because this receiving messages intended for subpatches makes me uneasy. You also don't need the [route] if there's a separate channel just for editmode tracking. it seems like i am missing something fundamental here. your patch does not work for me. except if i would be turning editmode on/off via explicit messages to pd-subpatch (but then it is trivial); maybe this is what you mean. i thought about being notified if the subpatch goes to edit-mode, e.g. because the user has done Ctl-E. I meant explicit messages, I thought that was what Hans might have meant to say. My original point was that in this case, when the subpatch is only used for a specific purpose, it doesn't hurt to short-circuit Pd's native Ctl-E with some other key combination that can then be used to control conditional stuff. Here's an example, using [active] from the cyclone library. -Chuckk #N canvas 485 71 586 447 12; #N canvas 0 0 454 304 subpatch 1; #X obj 146 227 active; #X obj 146 254 s active; #X text 44 22 Just hit E or e here instead of Ctl-E; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X restore 14 24 pd subpatch; #X obj 371 39 r active; #X obj 255 16 key; #X obj 255 39 route 69 101; #X obj 310 117 f; #X obj 310 142 route 1; #X obj 310 166 tgl 15 0 empty empty empty 17 7 0 10 -262144 -1 -1 0 1; #X msg 310 186 \; pd-subpatch editmode \$1 \; editmonitor \$1; #X obj 16 320 r editmonitor; #N canvas 0 0 462 312 conditionalstuff 0; #X obj 185 81 inlet; #X obj 149 121 print whatever; #X connect 0 0 1 0; #X restore 16 346 pd conditionalstuff; #X connect 1 0 4 1; #X connect 2 0 3 0; #X connect 3 0 4 0; #X connect 3 1 4 0; #X connect 4 0 5 0; #X connect 5 0 6 0; #X connect 6 0 7 0; #X connect 8 0 9 0; ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] edit or play mode information
Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Also, you can track the state if you do this: [receive pd] | [route editmode] | [X] no, you cannot. at least: i cannot. see http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-01/046344.html (hey, that was only yesterday...) mfg.vda IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] edit or play mode information
On 1/30/07, IOhannes m zmoelnig [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hans-Christoph Steiner wrote: Also, you can track the state if you do this: [receive pd] | [route editmode] | [X] no, you cannot. at least: i cannot. see http://lists.puredata.info/pipermail/pd-list/2007-01/046344.html (hey, that was only yesterday...) [receive pd-subpatch] | [route editmode] | [X] works, and was maybe what he meant. My thought was to have a separate send-receive for notifying other objects of changes, because this receiving messages intended for subpatches makes me uneasy. You also don't need the [route] if there's a separate channel just for editmode tracking. -Chuckk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] edit or play mode information
thanks. i don't think i fully understand your reply, but i'm also not sure whether this is what i need: i'm not looking for simpler and / or more flexible ways to control mode cursor movement. i'm looking for a way to make a keyboard action 'conditional': hitting the spacebar should have no effect in edit mode, and perform certain things (to be hooked up per version of the 'motherpatch' that i base patches for specific pieces on ... at least that's the plan ;) ) when in play mode. so i'm looking for a way to get the information about status mode from pd, which i'll then attempt to have control a spigot or sth similar. i'd be happy if someone could point me to a solution--maybe simply a search term for the list archives? searching on mode status, edit mode and similar wasn't very satisfying. thanks, robbert Sorry, I left the list out on my earlier reply... I have used: [x] | [pd-subpatch editmode $1( Instead of Ctl-E, and then the same toggle can be used to tell the patch whether editmode is on for the subpatch. I have my sequencer score set up so that hitting E once lets go of the note-cursor and enters edit mode; hitting E again leaves edit mode but leaves the note-cursor unattached to the mouse; and hitting Q at any point binds the note-cursor to the mouse. Of course Ctl-E still works, but in my patch there's no reason not to have just E enter editmode- it only works when that subpatch is active. -Chuckk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] edit or play mode information
I didn't think you wanted cursor control. I'm saying I don't think what you want is possible, but it is possible to set up other keys to control edit mode, and that the toggle that does so can be used to directly control other things. Maybe someone else knows a way to read the mode from a patch; I've never found a way either. -Chuckk On 1/29/07, robbert van hulzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: thanks. i don't think i fully understand your reply, but i'm also not sure whether this is what i need: i'm not looking for simpler and / or more flexible ways to control mode cursor movement. i'm looking for a way to make a keyboard action 'conditional': hitting the spacebar should have no effect in edit mode, and perform certain things (to be hooked up per version of the 'motherpatch' that i base patches for specific pieces on ... at least that's the plan ;) ) when in play mode. so i'm looking for a way to get the information about status mode from pd, which i'll then attempt to have control a spigot or sth similar. i'd be happy if someone could point me to a solution--maybe simply a search term for the list archives? searching on mode status, edit mode and similar wasn't very satisfying. thanks, robbert Sorry, I left the list out on my earlier reply... I have used: [x] | [pd-subpatch editmode $1( Instead of Ctl-E, and then the same toggle can be used to tell the patch whether editmode is on for the subpatch. I have my sequencer score set up so that hitting E once lets go of the note-cursor and enters edit mode; hitting E again leaves edit mode but leaves the note-cursor unattached to the mouse; and hitting Q at any point binds the note-cursor to the mouse. Of course Ctl-E still works, but in my patch there's no reason not to have just E enter editmode- it only works when that subpatch is active. -Chuckk ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to work hard at work worth doing. -Theodore Roosevelt ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] edit or play mode information
Steffen wrote: On 29/01/2007, at 15.30, Chuckk Hubbard wrote: I didn't think you wanted cursor control. I'm saying I don't think what you want is possible, but it is possible to set up other keys to control edit mode, and that the toggle that does so can be used to directly control other things. Maybe someone else knows a way to read the mode from a patch; I've never found a way either. When sending the msg. [; pd editmode 1(, Pd respond with this: pd: unknown message editmode 1 So it might not be possible to read the editmode status of the current patch, as it is with a subpatch using: well pd is not the current patch but a global receiver. since pd itself cannot be in edit mode (only patches!), the [; pd editmode $1( does not make sense. aprt from that, you should be able to use [; pd-patch.pd( once the patch is saved. (but still you don't get notified of changes!) mfg.asdr IOhannes ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] edit or play mode information
On 29/01/2007, at 17.27, IOhannes m zmoelnig wrote: Steffen wrote: On 29/01/2007, at 15.30, Chuckk Hubbard wrote: I didn't think you wanted cursor control. I'm saying I don't think what you want is possible, but it is possible to set up other keys to control edit mode, and that the toggle that does so can be used to directly control other things. Maybe someone else knows a way to read the mode from a patch; I've never found a way either. When sending the msg. [; pd editmode 1(, Pd respond with this: pd: unknown message editmode 1 So it might not be possible to read the editmode status of the current patch, as it is with a subpatch using: well pd is not the current patch but a global receiver. since pd itself cannot be in edit mode (only patches!), the [; pd editmode $1( does not make sense. Yeah, that (that it doesn't makes sense) makes sense. aprt from that, you should be able to use [; pd-patch.pd( once the patch is saved. (but still you don't get notified of changes!) Ahh, thanks a bunch, that's why i couldn't make it set the current named patch in editmode, i forgot the .pd extension in the msg. I see that the editmode status can't be read when it's changes with fx. ctrl-e, but it can if it is done manually as demonstrated below or in the the attached patch - this might be just what Chuckk Hubbard spoke about from the beginning - forgive me (i'm learning)! [x] | [; pd-patchname.pd editmode $1( [r pd-patchname.pd] | [route editmode] | [nbx] editmode.pd Description: Binary data ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] edit or play mode information
On 1/29/07, Steffen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ahh, thanks a bunch, that's why i couldn't make it set the current named patch in editmode, i forgot the .pd extension in the msg. I see that the editmode status can't be read when it's changes with fx. ctrl-e, but it can if it is done manually as demonstrated below or in the the attached patch - this might be just what Chuckk Hubbard spoke about from the beginning - forgive me (i'm learning)! Pretty much. I was thinking more like: [key] | [route whatever] | [x] | [; pd-subpatch editmode $1 ; edit-enabled $1( Or the toggle could connect directly to whatever you want to enable/disable. Also, for me, the .pd extension isn't needed on subpatches... -Chuckk [x] | [; pd-patchname.pd editmode $1( [r pd-patchname.pd] | [route editmode] | [nbx] ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
Re: [PD] edit or play mode information
On Mon, 2007-01-29 at 15:19 -0500, Chuckk Hubbard wrote: Also, for me, the .pd extension isn't needed on subpatches... just in order to clarify it, if still unclear: when sending messages to canvasses, the adress (or selector or whatever it is called correctly) is pd-canvasname. that is why, when adressing main-patches or abstractions, there IS an extension '.pd' and when adressing subpatches, there ISN'T any extension. roman ___ Der frühe Vogel fängt den Wurm. Hier gelangen Sie zum neuen Yahoo! Mail: http://mail.yahoo.de ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] edit or play mode information
dear all, i'm attempting to build an abs to control whether or not hitting a key has an effect: i'd like the space bar to do a number of things when in play mode but not in edit mode. i came up with the patch below, however, working on several open patches will screw it up as it works with a counter that keeps track of the number of times command-e has been hit (resulting in 1 or 0 which controls a spigot). i'd like to replace this 'relative' control with an 'absolute' one, in other words i'm wondering whether i can retrieve the mode status of the patch somewhere so i can have that control the spigot. any ideas would be much appreciated. cheers, robbert -- Pd-0.39.2-extended-test5 mac osx 10.4.8, 15 G4 PB 1.67 GHz, 1 GB ram #N canvas 0 22 672 629 10; #X obj 50 280 tgl 23 0 go \$0-go empty 0 -6 0 8 -241291 -1 -1 0 1; #X obj 50 202 key; #X obj 50 228 sel 32; #X obj 80 339 select 0 1; #X obj 83 391 list; #X obj 50 365 \$0; #X msg 83 417 \; \$1-go color \$2 \$3 22; #X msg 125 365 19 16; #X obj 50 313 t b f; #X msg 80 365 15 22; #X obj 27 20 keyname; #X obj 115 72 sel e; #X obj 71 150 demux; #X obj 115 124 f; #X obj 145 124 + 1; #X obj 71 46 t s b s; #X msg 115 98 -1; #X obj 101 176 sel Alt_L; #X obj 134 202 + 1; #X obj 101 202 f; #X obj 167 202 mod 2; #X obj 101 228 == 0; #X obj 50 254 spigot 1; #X connect 0 0 8 0; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 22 0; #X connect 3 0 9 0; #X connect 3 1 7 0; #X connect 4 0 6 0; #X connect 5 0 4 0; #X connect 7 0 4 1; #X connect 8 0 5 0; #X connect 8 1 3 0; #X connect 9 0 4 1; #X connect 10 1 15 0; #X connect 11 0 16 0; #X connect 12 1 17 0; #X connect 13 0 14 0; #X connect 13 0 12 1; #X connect 14 0 13 1; #X connect 15 0 12 0; #X connect 15 1 13 0; #X connect 15 2 11 0; #X connect 16 0 13 0; #X connect 17 0 19 0; #X connect 18 0 20 0; #X connect 19 0 18 0; #X connect 19 0 21 0; #X connect 20 0 19 1; #X connect 21 0 22 1; #X connect 22 0 0 0; #X coords 0 -1 1 1 23 23 1 50 280; ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
[PD] edit or play mode information
Sorry, I left the list out on my earlier reply... I have used: [x] | [pd-subpatch editmode $1( Instead of Ctl-E, and then the same toggle can be used to tell the patch whether editmode is on for the subpatch. I have my sequencer score set up so that hitting E once lets go of the note-cursor and enters edit mode; hitting E again leaves edit mode but leaves the note-cursor unattached to the mouse; and hitting Q at any point binds the note-cursor to the mouse. Of course Ctl-E still works, but in my patch there's no reason not to have just E enter editmode- it only works when that subpatch is active. -Chuckk On 1/28/07, robbert van hulzen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear all, i'm attempting to build an abs to control whether or not hitting a key has an effect: i'd like the space bar to do a number of things when in play mode but not in edit mode. i came up with the patch below, however, working on several open patches will screw it up as it works with a counter that keeps track of the number of times command-e has been hit (resulting in 1 or 0 which controls a spigot). i'd like to replace this 'relative' control with an 'absolute' one, in other words i'm wondering whether i can retrieve the mode status of the patch somewhere so i can have that control the spigot. any ideas would be much appreciated. cheers, robbert -- Pd-0.39.2-extended-test5 mac osx 10.4.8, 15 G4 PB 1.67 GHz, 1 GB ram #N canvas 0 22 672 629 10; #X obj 50 280 tgl 23 0 go \$0-go empty 0 -6 0 8 -241291 -1 -1 0 1; #X obj 50 202 key; #X obj 50 228 sel 32; #X obj 80 339 select 0 1; #X obj 83 391 list; #X obj 50 365 \$0; #X msg 83 417 \; \$1-go color \$2 \$3 22; #X msg 125 365 19 16; #X obj 50 313 t b f; #X msg 80 365 15 22; #X obj 27 20 keyname; #X obj 115 72 sel e; #X obj 71 150 demux; #X obj 115 124 f; #X obj 145 124 + 1; #X obj 71 46 t s b s; #X msg 115 98 -1; #X obj 101 176 sel Alt_L; #X obj 134 202 + 1; #X obj 101 202 f; #X obj 167 202 mod 2; #X obj 101 228 == 0; #X obj 50 254 spigot 1; #X connect 0 0 8 0; #X connect 1 0 2 0; #X connect 2 0 22 0; #X connect 3 0 9 0; #X connect 3 1 7 0; #X connect 4 0 6 0; #X connect 5 0 4 0; #X connect 7 0 4 1; #X connect 8 0 5 0; #X connect 8 1 3 0; #X connect 9 0 4 1; #X connect 10 1 15 0; #X connect 11 0 16 0; #X connect 12 1 17 0; #X connect 13 0 14 0; #X connect 13 0 12 1; #X connect 14 0 13 1; #X connect 15 0 12 0; #X connect 15 1 13 0; #X connect 15 2 11 0; #X connect 16 0 13 0; #X connect 17 0 19 0; #X connect 18 0 20 0; #X connect 19 0 18 0; #X connect 19 0 21 0; #X connect 20 0 19 1; #X connect 21 0 22 1; #X connect 22 0 0 0; #X coords 0 -1 1 1 23 23 1 50 280; ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list -- Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to work hard at work worth doing. -Theodore Roosevelt -- Far and away the best prize that life has to offer is the chance to work hard at work worth doing. -Theodore Roosevelt ___ PD-list@iem.at mailing list UNSUBSCRIBE and account-management - http://lists.puredata.info/listinfo/pd-list
